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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

Donato Valente
 

Many thanks Joel for the precious and comforting information. 
Still waiting some kind sailor who can give us suggestions for rudder dismantling. 

Thanks

Donato 


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Il giorno 19 nov 2016, alle ore 19:16, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

No, the rudder is designed to be full of water to add a dampening effect. It is normal for it to pee like a cow on a flat rock. If it does not, you might have a problem.  Make sure the exit hole is not corrupted with marine growth. As you use the boat and have occasion to look under the water line, it is a good idea to have the appropriate tool to be sure that this exit hole is free and clear.  Properly sized Philips head screwdrivers works well for most of us. Insert it into the drain hole and give it a 360 degree exercise.

 

When I give the Amel School to my buyer clients, this is addressed as it is so very important that sea water has easy in and out movement from the rudder.

 

Please, sellers, spend a few days with the new owners of your now sold boat to pass knowledge along that will ensure the survival of the brand . This is for the common good. Trust me…

 

Please feel free to call me if you need a solid explanation about this.

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

 

 

Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

JOHN HAYES
 

Thanks for this info. Same happened to me when I slipped my Santorin. Unfortunately we thought it must have hit a brick and so dried it out and glassed it up!!

Guess we now need to slip again and drill a new hole.  Bugger !


On 20/11/2016, at 1:16 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

No, the rudder is designed to be full of water to add a dampening effect. It is normal for it to pee like a cow on a flat rock. If it does not, you might have a problem.  Make sure the exit hole is not corrupted with marine growth. As you use the boat and have occasion to look under the water line, it is a good idea to have the appropriate tool to be sure that this exit hole is free and clear.  Properly sized Philips head screwdrivers works well for most of us. Insert it into the drain hole and give it a 360 degree exercise.

 

When I give the Amel School to my buyer clients, this is addressed as it is so very important that sea water has easy in and out movement from the rudder.

 

Please, sellers, spend a few days with the new owners of your now sold boat to pass knowledge along that will ensure the survival of the brand . This is for the common good. Trust me…

 

Please feel free to call me if you need a solid explanation about this.

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

 

 

Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

amelforme
 

No, the rudder is designed to be full of water to add a dampening effect. It is normal for it to pee like a cow on a flat rock. If it does not, you might have a problem.  Make sure the exit hole is not corrupted with marine growth. As you use the boat and have occasion to look under the water line, it is a good idea to have the appropriate tool to be sure that this exit hole is free and clear.  Properly sized Philips head screwdrivers works well for most of us. Insert it into the drain hole and give it a 360 degree exercise.

 

When I give the Amel School to my buyer clients, this is addressed as it is so very important that sea water has easy in and out movement from the rudder.

 

Please, sellers, spend a few days with the new owners of your now sold boat to pass knowledge along that will ensure the survival of the brand . This is for the common good. Trust me…

 

Please feel free to call me if you need a solid explanation about this.

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

 

 

Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama

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Rudder dismantle

Donato Valente
 

Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Alan,

   Many thanks for the details on the running backs setup.  I was curious if they had used the mizzen chainplate or had added a point further forward.

Best,

James
Sueno, Maramu #220

On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:40 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

The dyneema stays run from the top spreader on the main mast to a block which is about 50cm off the deck when hanging straight down. At the mizzen chain plate there's a block with a becket. Tied to the becket is 12mm spectra up to the block on the dyneema line, back to the block at the chain plate and thence to a winch, smaller than the main sheet winch, aft of the main sheet winch, or when not in use, to a cleat on the aft cabin top. That gives a 2:1 purchase for easily tightening the stay.

When not in use there's a double block with a cam cleat at the main chain plate that hooks the dyneema block and holds it down when the spectra line is hauled tight and cleated off.
This is all pretty standard stuff on any boat that has running backstays to support an inner forestay.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Alan Leslie
 

The dyneema stays run from the top spreader on the main mast to a block which is about 50cm off the deck when hanging straight down. At the mizzen chain plate there's a block with a becket. Tied to the becket is 12mm spectra up to the block on the dyneema line, back to the block at the chain plate and thence to a winch, smaller than the main sheet winch, aft of the main sheet winch, or when not in use, to a cleat on the aft cabin top. That gives a 2:1 purchase for easily tightening the stay.
When not in use there's a double block with a cam cleat at the main chain plate that hooks the dyneema block and holds it down when the spectra line is hauled tight and cleated off.
This is all pretty standard stuff on any boat that has running backstays to support an inner forestay.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Alan,

  It must be really nice to have a well shaped headsail for winds up into the 30 plus knot range available.  I guess it would not be too hard to change the staysail for a storm jib when needed to complete your inventory if you really wanted, but if you are into a wind range that you are going to be hove then perhaps the loss of shape reefed is not a concern.    I will keep the idea of adding a staysail  in mind since the idea of having a reefed 150 out in a lot of wind would concern me a lot.   

  Can you tell me how Amel setup the dyneema running backs on your boat?

Thanks for sharing your setup details,

James Alton
SV, Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 19, 2016, at 5:23 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

The staysail is actually quite small, we have had it unreefed in 30 knots plus, and two reefs hove to in 50+.

Like all roller furling sails it does not have a good shape when reefed, too much belly in it.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Alan Leslie
 

No James, I don't recall, sorry
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Alan Leslie
 

The staysail is actually quite small, we have had it unreefed in 30 knots plus, and two reefs hove to in 50+.
Like all roller furling sails it does not have a good shape when reefed, too much belly in it.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Alan,
  I just saw your Maxsea photo of the 90 degree tacks..those looks pretty close to square to me.  Do you by chance recall which way the current at the time was running?

Best,
James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax, Italy


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Furling Pin Free to a Good Home

amelforme
 

Just saw Marks hand up. Snoozed. Loozed.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Nov 18, 2016, at 10:36 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello all,


As part of a repair and upgrade to our jib furler we replaced the furling drum with the new style two piece drum. (Note:  Don't make this change for fun. The new unit is better designed than the old one, but it is NOT a drop in replacement. Significant engineering and machining required!)


Salvaged from the old unit, and not usable in our new one, is the stainless pin that pulls up to disengage the drum and foil from the motor and transmission so you can furl manually with a line wrapped around the drum.


This is both the pin, and the housing that contains it that screws into the furling drum. Fully functional, the spring is good, no corrosion.  The previous owners of Harmonie were sticklers for maintenance and kept everything lubricated as it should be.


First person to raise their hand gets it for the cost of shipping from Florida.


Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

On the Hard in Fort Lauderdale, Fl

"Ships and men rot in port."

fetchinketch






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Furling Pin Free to a Good Home

amelforme
 

If nobody else wants it, I do. I have a stock of unobtanium Amel stuff that comes in handy when preparing boats for resale. Plus you won't have to mail it...

Joel 
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Nov 18, 2016, at 10:36 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello all,


As part of a repair and upgrade to our jib furler we replaced the furling drum with the new style two piece drum. (Note:  Don't make this change for fun. The new unit is better designed than the old one, but it is NOT a drop in replacement. Significant engineering and machining required!)


Salvaged from the old unit, and not usable in our new one, is the stainless pin that pulls up to disengage the drum and foil from the motor and transmission so you can furl manually with a line wrapped around the drum.


This is both the pin, and the housing that contains it that screws into the furling drum. Fully functional, the spring is good, no corrosion.  The previous owners of Harmonie were sticklers for maintenance and kept everything lubricated as it should be.


First person to raise their hand gets it for the cost of shipping from Florida.


Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

On the Hard in Fort Lauderdale, Fl

"Ships and men rot in port."

fetchinketch






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Alan,

   Your inner forestay arrangement sounds like a great solution for setting a smaller jib on the foredeck.  How much wind can you use the staysail in  (with the wind well forward of the beam) before reefing?  Does the staysail still have a nice shape when reefed down to storm jib size?  How are the running backs setup/attached?

   90 degree tacks in a boat with that level of comfort, huge water tankage in the keel, enclosed protected steering station, solar arch etc.?  Don’t you feel a little sorry for the poor chaps out there will there with their low topsides, open cockpits trying to do that well?  (grin)   I would be quite happy and surprised to see 110 degrees with Sueno…  I am going to look into getting a quote from your sailmaker.

Best,

James


On Nov 18, 2016, at 7:09 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi James,


There are lots of messages in here about inner forestays...and pictures.
Ours was factory installed and is a furler on a permanent stay at the top spreader with dyneema running back stays. The furler is anchored fwd of the windlass to a 13mm SS plate under the deck that runs under the deck from the windlass to the bow fitting.
I'll try post some track pics from Maxsea that show the 90 degree tacks !
Cheers'
Alan
Elyse SM437




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Santorin with D2-55 Engine - Range

tfortner1975
 

Thank you all for the information. 

Trevor
SV Iris SN27
Langkawi

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 4:03 AM, 'Herbert Lackner' herbert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Perkins Prima M50 (Volvo MD22) fuel consumption on KALI MERA varies from 1,8 l/ hour with 1500 rpm (motor-sailing) and goes up to 4l/hour with 2300 rpm.  As we are not in a hurry with no wind we cruise with 5kn and ~ 1800  rpm and use about 2,2 l / hour.    If the prop is really dirty than add about o,5 - 1 l / hour

 

herbert

SN120 KALI MERA, Trinidad, 11 more days on the hard



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Furling Pin Free to a Good Home

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

It’s been claimed…

On Nov 18, 2016, at 22:36, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello all,


As part of a repair and upgrade to our jib furler we replaced the furling drum with the new style two piece drum. (Note:  Don't make this change for fun. The new unit is better designed than the old one, but it is NOT a drop in replacement. Significant engineering and machining required!)


Salvaged from the old unit, and not usable in our new one, is the stainless pin that pulls up to disengage the drum and foil from the motor and transmission so you can furl manually with a line wrapped around the drum.


This is both the pin, and the housing that contains it that screws into the furling drum. Fully functional, the spring is good, no corrosion.  The previous owners of Harmonie were sticklers for maintenance and kept everything lubricated as it should be.


First person to raise their hand gets it for the cost of shipping from Florida.


Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

On the Hard in Fort Lauderdale, Fl

"Ships and men rot in port."

fetchinketch








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Furling Pin Free to a Good Home

Mark Erdos
 

I have my hand up

 

We are currently in FL.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Furling Pin Free to a Good Home

 

 

Hello all,

 

As part of a repair and upgrade to our jib furler we replaced the furling drum with the new style two piece drum. (Note:  Don't make this change for fun. The new unit is better designed than the old one, but it is NOT a drop in replacement. Significant engineering and machining required!)

 

Salvaged from the old unit, and not usable in our new one, is the stainless pin that pulls up to disengage the drum and foil from the motor and transmission so you can furl manually with a line wrapped around the drum.

 

This is both the pin, and the housing that contains it that screws into the furling drum. Fully functional, the spring is good, no corrosion.  The previous owners of Harmonie were sticklers for maintenance and kept everything lubricated as it should be.

 

First person to raise their hand gets it for the cost of shipping from Florida.

 

Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

On the Hard in Fort Lauderdale, Fl

"Ships and men rot in port."

fetchinketch

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Jib Furling Pin Free to a Good Home

greatketch@...
 

Hello all,


As part of a repair and upgrade to our jib furler we replaced the furling drum with the new style two piece drum. (Note:  Don't make this change for fun. The new unit is better designed than the old one, but it is NOT a drop in replacement. Significant engineering and machining required!)


Salvaged from the old unit, and not usable in our new one, is the stainless pin that pulls up to disengage the drum and foil from the motor and transmission so you can furl manually with a line wrapped around the drum.


This is both the pin, and the housing that contains it that screws into the furling drum. Fully functional, the spring is good, no corrosion.  The previous owners of Harmonie were sticklers for maintenance and kept everything lubricated as it should be.


First person to raise their hand gets it for the cost of shipping from Florida.


Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

On the Hard in Fort Lauderdale, Fl

"Ships and men rot in port."

fetchinketch






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Alan Leslie
 

Bill,
This day was exceptional I have to admit, we usually are more like 100 degrees, but Elyse continues to surprise me.
The sails are Hydranet triadials from Deme Voiles, the main and mizzen have positive roach with short vertical battens and we always hike up the traveller on the main to keep the boom on the centre line when hard on the wind.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Alan,

You really get a SM to tack through 90 degrees measured by COG?  Wow!  Who’s your sailmaker?  That’s a COG tacking angle I’d expect from a J-105!

What apparent wind angle do you have to pull to get that, and how do you do it?

In normal sea conditions, I expect to hold 35º to 37º to the apparent wind, which gives us about a 50º+/- angle to the true wind, but we haven’t counted for leeway yet, so I normally think I am doing well with 102º to 105º change in COG on a tack. If I get to 110º in small seas I know I am getting sloppy on my sail trim.  My autopilot tweaks the course while beating to optimize VMG, and it always settles down very close to those numbers--if the seas aren’t too rough.

In perfect conditions (10-12 knots true, flat water) I can pinch a little more out before the keel stalls and I start going sideways.  I’ll expect to get a little better with new sails, but nothing like what you see.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
On the Hard, Fort Lauderdale, FL
“Ships and men rot in port."



On Nov 18, 2016, at 18:09, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi James,


There are lots of messages in here about inner forestays...and pictures.
Ours was factory installed and is a furler on a permanent stay at the top spreader with dyneema running back stays. The furler is anchored fwd of the windlass to a 13mm SS plate under the deck that runs under the deck from the windlass to the bow fitting.
I'll try post some track pics from Maxsea that show the 90 degree tacks !
Cheers'
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: Santorin with D2-55 Engine - Range

Herbert Lackner
 

Perkins Prima M50 (Volvo MD22) fuel consumption on KALI MERA varies from 1,8 l/ hour with 1500 rpm (motor-sailing) and goes up to 4l/hour with 2300 rpm.  As we are not in a hurry with no wind we cruise with 5kn and ~ 1800  rpm and use about 2,2 l / hour.    If the prop is really dirty than add about o,5 - 1 l / hour

 

herbert

SN120 KALI MERA, Trinidad, 11 more days on the hard