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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Charger for starter battery

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

It is a six month old battery from Grenada.  It drops to 10.4 volts In about 30 days.  I plan to load test this weekend 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Jan 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben, how long does it take to flatten your starting battery? I have had occasion to visit and assess  Amel Super Maramus that would be offered for sale that had been left unattended for three months and sometimes more. On only one of these marketing evaluation inspections did I find the starting battery to be unable to start the engine and/or generator, and that boat had a modified/compromised electrical system. I would suggest that you have a bad battery, a voltage leak and maybe both if the discharge period is less than a month. Remember, even brand new batteries can have manufacturing defects that cause them to fail at an early age.

 

Have Fun With Your Amel!

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:17 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Charger for starter battery

 

 

One of the shortcomings of my boat as there is no shore power charger for starter battery.  If boat sits starter battery invariable goes down.  Has anyone rigged a small charger to address this?  

 

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently Martinique f

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Zinc or plastic cone on the prop

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

V,

These are my thoughts and opinions:

All of the bonding wires join near the C Drive at the top of the gray water tank. The zinc on the prop will be used for the entire bonding system because it is linked...AND, more importantly, that zinc, since it is closer than the rudder zincs, will go first.

One other thing to consider, is when the zinc goes, it will dis-attach from one of the three screws at a time and until it flies off, it will cause an imbalance on the propeller.

I think with an unmodified and working Amel bonding system, a zinc on the prop is not necessary, will need replacing often, and can cause a few problems.

Remember, it is not good to change Henri's designs...you may suffer later.

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387
St John

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 6:14 PM, sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

When I purchased my Amel-Super-Maramu I have had plastic cone on the prop. On all my previous boats it was zinks. I decided to replace plastic cone with zink. I still don't know why it was plastic.
Now my boat is on hard. I have completed seal replasement. I don't know if I should reinstall plastic or keep zink. In one year prop zink lost 5-10%. Rudder zink also lost approximately 5%.
Please advise.

Vladimir
SM #345
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Tool for removing Bowthruster in the water

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Here is a photo, but can’t access to it.

http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Thu, 1/5/17, sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Tool for removing Bowthruster in the water
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, January 5, 2017, 11:44 AM


 









Can somebody send me a photo of Amel tool for
removing Bowthruster in the water.

I also need dimensions of the wooden piece. I need diameter
and length.

I want to make this tool.



Vladimir Sonsev

SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

SONSEV52 AT GMAIL DOT COM









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Tool for removing Bowthruster in the water

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

It is not as simple as it seems. You will find Bow Thruster Special Tool.jpg in the photo section and I have attached a personal copy for Vladimir.

Bill
BeBe
St John




On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 5:44 PM, sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Can somebody send me a photo of Amel tool for removing Bowthruster in the water.
I also need dimensions of the wooden piece. I need diameter and length.
I want to make this tool.

Vladimir Sonsev
SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
SONSEV52 AT GMAIL DOT COM
Zinc or plastic cone on the prop

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

When I purchased my Amel-Super-Maramu I have had plastic cone on the prop. On all my previous boats it was zinks. I decided to replace plastic cone with zink. I still don't know why it was plastic.
Now my boat is on hard. I have completed seal replasement. I don't know if I should reinstall plastic or keep zink. In one year prop zink lost 5-10%. Rudder zink also lost approximately 5%.
Please advise.

Vladimir
SM #345
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing Vetus Coupling Bolts

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Bob,

Do you happen to know the size (diameter) of the coupling shaft . I want to purchase one to use to make an alignment plate to change the motor mounts. However Vetus stocks 4 sizes.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 7:39 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacing Vetus Coupling Bolts

 

 

We had 1 of 4 bolts that clamp the Vetus coupler together shear a while back and are replacing all 4 along with the 4 rubber bushings which are intact but showing wear, distortion, and cracking.  The Yanmar was easy to slide back on the frame but there is not space between the C drive flange and the Vetus nor the transmission flange and the transmission to insert an original length bolt.  The Vetus bushings replacements ($25USD/4) are a regular, say 5 year replacement item in our opinion BUT is seems that to replace the bolt as it was originally would involve removing the flange of the C drive. Earlier, Danny (with a Volvo engine) posted that by using a bolt with both ends threaded the bolt could be replaced without removing the flange from the C drive or the flange from the transmission.  Are we missing something or do you need to use bolts with both ends threaded and nuts on each end?

Bob, KAIMI SM 429 
Tool for removing Bowthruster in the water

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Can somebody send me a photo of Amel tool for removing Bowthruster in the water.
I also need dimensions of the wooden piece. I need diameter and length.
I want to make this tool.

Vladimir Sonsev
SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
SONSEV52 AT GMAIL DOT COM
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Charger for starter battery

amelforme
 

Ben, how long does it take to flatten your starting battery? I have had occasion to visit and assess  Amel Super Maramus that would be offered for sale that had been left unattended for three months and sometimes more. On only one of these marketing evaluation inspections did I find the starting battery to be unable to start the engine and/or generator, and that boat had a modified/compromised electrical system. I would suggest that you have a bad battery, a voltage leak and maybe both if the discharge period is less than a month. Remember, even brand new batteries can have manufacturing defects that cause them to fail at an early age.

 

Have Fun With Your Amel!

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:17 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Charger for starter battery

 

 

One of the shortcomings of my boat as there is no shore power charger for starter battery.  If boat sits starter battery invariable goes down.  Has anyone rigged a small charger to address this?  

 

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently Martinique f

 

 
AMEL Rubber Rails NEW 2 x 16.0m

olaf_renos@...
 

I have for selling the original AMEL Rubber rails for Super Maramu 2000 or Santorin.

2 x 16m.

Quite NEW.

AMEL sell them for 26.65 € / meter + Tax. That is € 852.8 + TAX.

 

I will sell them for € 550.


I'm at the moment in Martinique. I could delivery the rails between Grenada and Jamaica.



Charger for starter battery

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

One of the shortcomings of my boat as there is no shore power charger for starter battery.  If boat sits starter battery invariable goes down.  Has anyone rigged a small charger to address this?  


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM 347

Currently Martinique f
Replacing Vetus Coupling Bolts

rossirossix4
 

We had 1 of 4 bolts that clamp the Vetus coupler together shear a while back and are replacing all 4 along with the 4 rubber bushings which are intact but showing wear, distortion, and cracking.  The Yanmar was easy to slide back on the frame but there is not space between the C drive flange and the Vetus nor the transmission flange and the transmission to insert an original length bolt.  The Vetus bushings replacements ($25USD/4) are a regular, say 5 year replacement item in our opinion BUT is seems that to replace the bolt as it was originally would involve removing the flange of the C drive. Earlier, Danny (with a Volvo engine) posted that by using a bolt with both ends threaded the bolt could be replaced without removing the flange from the C drive or the flange from the transmission.  Are we missing something or do you need to use bolts with both ends threaded and nuts on each end?

Bob, KAIMI SM 429 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Stiff steering Caramelle 385

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Patrick,

Olivier gives you great advice.

I have experienced a piece of 12mm line between the top of the rudder and the hull. It was a tight fit.

When Olivier says, "check without the drives connected..." be sure to check without an electrical or mechanical connection. The clutch inside a Raymarine drive can burn up and sometimes partially seize. If you find this is the problem, be sure to check that the voltage is 12VDC going to the clutch, not 24VDC. There will be a method of changing clutch voltage on the Raymarine course computer. Raymarine makes 24VDC Drives, but all of them have a 12VDC clutch.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Jan 5, 2017 4:58 AM, "Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Patrick,

Did you check the rudder blade? Nothing caught between the rudder and the hull?

In order to remove the wheel: 
-undo the nut until its backside is flat with the end of the shaft (but leave it on the shaft)
-while someone is pulling the wheel backwards with two hands, knock the nut with a 500g (half pound) steel hammer (not a toy...), you need to be two people

Did you check the system without the pilot drives connected, the rotary one and/or the ram in the aft cabin?

Can you check the terminals of the rack-and-pinion system, at the end of the square tubes, on portside? Are they loose?
Although rare, the bearings of the wheel's shaft could be stuck.

Lastly, you could try and disconnect the cables at the rudder quadrant to check if the cables are still stiff or if you can easily turn the rudder shaft.
If the cables are still stiff, you may need a new set of rack and pinion with cables (still available at AMEL's).
If the rudder alone is stiff, you should first try and replace and grease the packing stuff in the stuffing box. If no improvement, this may mean that the intermediate nylon bushing has expanded and prevents rotation of the shaft. You could then remove both screws that hold the bushing together with the stainless steel U-shaped bracket (the bushing, if stuck with the shaft, will then turn free in its bracket).
If the rudder blade is still stiff...the shaft may be bent, but this happens only in case of a big knock (grounding, or heavy anchor chain from another bo at caught in the rudder - you will see marks on the rudder...)

Bon courage!!!

Olivier



On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 11:45 PM, "pjn.mccallin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I had hoped not to seek further advice but events have conspired against me!

 Maude is chasing down a new motor for me so my bow thruster issue is on the mend so to speak!
Horwever on leaving Antigua after 9 nights at anchor the steering was very stiff. I did search the whole system from the rudder quadrant to the back of the wheel. By now there was a squeak from behind the wheel and it sounded as though it was coming from the "spacer"behind the wheel.
I did try and remove the wheel by driving two wedges behind but to no avail, however I did give the nut a thump and the squeak seems to have almost disappeared.well almost!
I wonder is there a bearing involved at the wheel end, there certainly is on the chain socket end. The cables seem to move freely I don't think there is a problem in the worm drive push/pull arms. 
Of course this still leaves the problem of removing the wheel the distance between it and the spacer would not allow me to insert a puller foot, so I am stumped!
Any one had a similar experience?, I know that Olivier B changed the steering cables when the yacht was new but I did not watch him actually do it shame on me.
Pearls of wisdom please Patrick.
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Stiff steering Caramelle 385

Olivier Beaute
 

Hello Patrick,

Did you check the rudder blade? Nothing caught between the rudder and the hull?

In order to remove the wheel: 
-undo the nut until its backside is flat with the end of the shaft (but leave it on the shaft)
-while someone is pulling the wheel backwards with two hands, knock the nut with a 500g (half pound) steel hammer (not a toy...), you need to be two people

Did you check the system without the pilot drives connected, the rotary one and/or the ram in the aft cabin?

Can you check the terminals of the rack-and-pinion system, at the end of the square tubes, on portside? Are they loose?
Although rare, the bearings of the wheel's shaft could be stuck.

Lastly, you could try and disconnect the cables at the rudder quadrant to check if the cables are still stiff or if you can easily turn the rudder shaft.
If the cables are still stiff, you may need a new set of rack and pinion with cables (still available at AMEL's).
If the rudder alone is stiff, you should first try and replace and grease the packing stuff in the stuffing box. If no improvement, this may mean that the intermediate nylon bushing has expanded and prevents rotation of the shaft. You could then remove both screws that hold the bushing together with the stainless steel U-shaped bracket (the bushing, if stuck with the shaft, will then turn free in its bracket).
If the rudder blade is still stiff...the shaft may be bent, but this happens only in case of a big knock (grounding, or heavy anchor chain from another boat caught in the rudder - you will see marks on the rudder...)

Bon courage!!!

Olivier



On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 11:45 PM, "pjn.mccallin@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
I had hoped not to seek further advice but events have conspired against me!

 Maude is chasing down a new motor for me so my bow thruster issue is on the mend so to speak!
Horwever on leaving Antigua after 9 nights at anchor the steering was very stiff. I did search the whole system from the rudder quadrant to the back of the wheel. By now there was a squeak from behind the wheel and it sounded as though it was coming from the "spacer"behind the wheel.
I did try and remove the wheel by driving two wedges behind but to no avail, however I did give the nut a thump and the squeak seems to have almost disappeared.well almost!
I wonder is there a bearing involved at the wheel end, there certainly is on the chain socket end. The cables seem to move freely I don't think there is a problem in the worm drive push/pull arms. 
Of course this still leaves the problem of removing the wheel the distance between it and the spacer would not allow me to insert a puller foot, so I am stumped!
Any one had a similar experience?, I know that Olivier B changed the steering cables when the yacht was new but I did not watch him actually do it shame on me.
Pearls of wisdom please Patrick.
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC Water pump spares

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Andrew,

I will be in St Maarten January 12-20. If you are there I would love to have the pump.

Kimberlite is at the Simpson Bay marina now.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 8:33 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC Water pump spares

 

 

Hi, everyone I have just replaced my AC pump on our SM2000 Hull 285 because it developed a slight leak at the shaft. For various reasons of sourcing parts at the time I decided to replace it with the same but have this original. I am expecting to run down the islands and to Panama over next few months, and if anyone would like it for parts I am happy to drop it off at Antigua, the BVIs, St Lucia or the BVI or if on my way. (no specific itinerary except I am off to St Maarten shortly from Antigua and will be calling in at to Lucia in early Feb to pick up family visitors. Free to a good home for parts but not in full working order due to shaft dribbling (motor seems fine as did volume through pump) I am assuming a new one will give the 16 years of service that the last one gave so decided not to carry it around for that long!

Andrew
SY Caramba SM2000, 285
Caribbean
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC Water pump spares

karkauai
 

Hi Andrew,
I'll be in Panama until at least April.  If you still have it, I'll be happy to take it off your hands!
Kent
SM243
Kristy
AC Water pump spares

Andrew & Lindsey, SY Caramba SM285 <awsnowdon@...>
 

Hi, everyone I have just replaced my AC pump on our SM2000 Hull 285 because it developed a slight leak at the shaft. For various reasons of sourcing parts at the time I decided to replace it with the same but have this original. I am expecting to run down the islands and to Panama over next few months, and if anyone would like it for parts I am happy to drop it off at Antigua, the BVIs, St Lucia or the BVI or if on my way. (no specific itinerary except I am off to St Maarten shortly from Antigua and will be calling in at to Lucia in early Feb to pick up family visitors. Free to a good home for parts but not in full working order due to shaft dribbling (motor seems fine as did volume through pump) I am assuming a new one will give the 16 years of service that the last one gave so decided not to carry it around for that long!

Andrew
SY Caramba SM2000, 285
Caribbean
Stiff steering Caramelle 385

pjn.mccallin@...
 

I had hoped not to seek further advice but events have conspired against me!


 Maude is chasing down a new motor for me so my bow thruster issue is on the mend so to speak!

Horwever on leaving Antigua after 9 nights at anchor the steering was very stiff. I did search the whole system from the rudder quadrant to the back of the wheel. By now there was a squeak from behind the wheel and it sounded as though it was coming from the "spacer"behind the wheel.

I did try and remove the wheel by driving two wedges behind but to no avail, however I did give the nut a thump and the squeak seems to have almost disappeared.well almost!

I wonder is there a bearing involved at the wheel end, there certainly is on the chain socket end. The cables seem to move freely I don't think there is a problem in the worm drive push/pull arms. 

Of course this still leaves the problem of removing the wheel the distance between it and the spacer would not allow me to insert a puller foot, so I am stumped!

Any one had a similar experience?, I know that Olivier B changed the steering cables when the yacht was new but I did not watch him actually do it shame on me.

Pearls of wisdom please Patrick.
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Xantrex battery monitor

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thomas;

The batteries were replaced by the previous owner. The broker that I purchased the boat from mentioned that they had elected to go with "inexpensive" batteries, so I should expect no more that 18 months of life.

I have taken care of them and so far no issues. They were some turkish brand, not original Amel used brand.

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
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Re: Salt water manifold leaking

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Here is an update on salt water manifold issue.  I removed it at Amel Caraibes and replaced it with a stainless steel version built to Bill Rouse's dimensions from BeBe ( he kindly furnished).  It should last longer than me.  The old unit fabricated in copper had several small pin hole leaks so I will not attempt to repair as pipe wall is too thin.  Frank Vali (actually an electrician) at Le Marin arranged fabrication at local machine shop and installed new one.  The SS version cost me €450.00; expensive but done quickly.  I'll post pictures of old and new in photo section.

Ben

Ben and Gayle
La Bella Vita
SM 347
Currently Le Marin 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Xantrex battery monitor

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Thomas,

I failed to answer Lithium Batteries:
Will your 3 chargers correctly charge them? I think no.
If one fails and you are at XYZ country how do you replace?

So, do the math including replacing your chargers...is the theoretical life worth it?

And remember my story about the theoretical life of the Varta batteries.

Best,

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Jan 4, 2017 7:02 AM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Thomas,

I was sure it was that type of battery load tester. That is really old-school. They only test theoretical loads and give appropriate readings, and there is a lot of "art" in the results.

A digital battery tester will test for internal resistance (shorts) and digitally test for the batteries actual CCA which you can measure against its rated CCA. The Solar brand digital tester sold by Amazon is a cheap Chinese copy of an American tester. The electronics and software are exact. And, it will cost you about $50. Once you get it and new batteries test them every 3-4 months or when you suspect something...to test, completely disconnect one battery at a time.

I missed the fact that you are in Corsica. I hope that some other owners will suggest a battery source for you. I will tell you that when I was in Europe, I paid almost 3,000 Euros for a set of Varta calcium batteries. They started failing one at a time in 6 months and in 15 months I replaced the last one of them. I tried to get the owner of Varta, Johnson in UK, to do something...they did not. And the Greek retailer did nothing. If I were you, I would avoid that brand.

Be careful in battery selection that the new batteries can be charged with all of your charging sources, including the engine alternator. AGMs may be a problem for your engine alternator, but your Mastervolts probably have a setting for them. It would be interesting to know what brand Amel Hyeres sells to SM and 54 owners now that Delphi is gone.

Maybe you should talk to Andrew Lamb, a SM owner, or Mike Johnson, another SM owner...both in France...I CCd them of this email.

Good luck!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Currently, St John USVI
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On Jan 4, 2017 6:28 AM, "Garulfo sv svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks Bill,

To answer your questions about the battery tester:
It was an analog tester, basically a massive resistor that pulls a lot of amps from the battery and a display that shows the 'quality' of the battery.
He didn't test pairs, my mistake, but it turned out the bad ones where part of pairs.

I will look into your suggestion. 

By the way, do you or anyone else in the group have any views on Lithium batteries? I wonder if the advance/standardisation in technology and drop in costs make it a viable option nowadays. Do you know if they would require special chargers?

Best,

Thomas
Garulfo
Amel 54 #122
Calvi, Corsica, France
37021 - 37040 of 67914