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Re: Leak detector of mass circuit

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Alan,

do you know the specification of the lamps that are used on the SM?

herbert, SN120 KALI MERA


Re: Rig Tuning, mizzen mast shivering

Paul Osterberg
 

When sailing in rough waves and the boat is "falling" from a wave and hitting a little bit hard, sometimes the mizzen mast is shivering a bit. Do not fell ok with that. I notice that the mizzen after shrouds are less tensioned compared with the rest of the rig, could that be a reason? Have read from the thread that the twin back stay should not be tensioned very hard, as it can be cracks in the transom fastening, but I do think if the mast is worked forward when hitting a wave that will create very high load on the back stay and also stress cracks.

Anyone with experience on this?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Antenna

Mark Erdos
 

Paul,

 

When I installed my SSB I opted to add a fiberglass antenna. This is the way the Amel factory does it. I think the logic is that if you ever lose the rig you (might) still have a SSB antenna. And, adding isolators is adding another potential failure point of the rigging.

 

There are not really performance issues with either method.

 

Another option is to use a GAM / McKim Split Lead Antenna. These have now been around long enough to have been field tested and offer reliable performance. Had I known about this product before installing the antenna, I would have gone this route. It is also fully insulated to prevent shock (as Kent described). Here is a link:

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|344|2028695|2029059&id=332511

 

Something else you may consider if you installed a SSB with DSC and auto distress calling. The DSC requires a separate antenna. For this, I used an antenna splitter and used the whether-fax antenna on the triatic stay.

 

Hope this helps.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season

 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Antenna

 

 

I have installed a SSB radio, currently only using a lose cable as antenna. Now I concidder using one of the twin backstay as antenna by installing two insulators. Is there any pit falls or anything special to concidder before proceeding?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Teneriffe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Antenna

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Paul,

I have a new SSB ICOM 801E with Shakespeare dedicated HF antenna.  I have an insulated stabilising ring attached to the STBD side of the solar panels.  I think if you look inside the starboard side of the aft lazarette, you will  find the factory installed ground (attached to the big grounding plate on the STBD side of your rudder).  My tuner is located there and is connected via a short lead to the stern mounted antenna.

IIRC, Amel does not like an insulated backstay as an antenna.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007


On 28 Sep 2016, at 13:55, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

It has to be a certain length between insulators, Paul.  I think it's something like 20 feet.
  Mount your antenna tuner as close to the back stay used as possible.  Mine is in the starboard aft corner of the lazarette.
When transmitting, there is potential for shock at the antenna.  Mount it so that no one can grab the antenna above the lower insulator.  On Kristy the lower insulator is about 6 ft above the deck.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Sep 28, 2016, at 8:40 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have installed a SSB radio, currently only using a lose cable as antenna. Now I concidder using one of the twin backstay as antenna by installing two insulators. Is there any pit falls or anything special to concidder before proceeding?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Teneriffe



Jean-Pierre Germain,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SSB Antenna

karkauai
 

It has to be a certain length between insulators, Paul.  I think it's something like 20 feet.
  Mount your antenna tuner as close to the back stay used as possible.  Mine is in the starboard aft corner of the lazarette.
When transmitting, there is potential for shock at the antenna.  Mount it so that no one can grab the antenna above the lower insulator.  On Kristy the lower insulator is about 6 ft above the deck.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Sep 28, 2016, at 8:40 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have installed a SSB radio, currently only using a lose cable as antenna. Now I concidder using one of the twin backstay as antenna by installing two insulators. Is there any pit falls or anything special to concidder before proceeding?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Teneriffe


SSB Antenna

Paul Osterberg
 

I have installed a SSB radio, currently only using a lose cable as antenna. Now I concidder using one of the twin backstay as antenna by installing two insulators. Is there any pit falls or anything special to concidder before proceeding?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 currently in Teneriffe


Re: Leak detector of mass circuit

Herbert Lackner
 

Enio, the santorin has no 'detector'. But it is very easy just to measure the resistence between grounding and battery plus / battery minus.  Can be done with standard ohm-meter / multi meter. I do that in a regular base.  Resistance should be very high (more than 20k, better 1M).  If you get a low reading you have a grounding leak.  Of course you can install a fixed resistance meter. I bought one on ebay but did not install it up to now.

herbert, SN120, KALI MERA



Re: Leak detector of mass circuit

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Enio

the circuit is very simple...

One single pole double throw, centre off, switch and two lamps.

One side of one lamp is connected to the 24V +ve, the other lamp is connected to 24V -ve. 
the other side of each lamp is connected to the outer sides of the switch.
the bonding circuit is connected to the centre position of the switch.
when the switch is pushed so that the bonding is connected to the -ve lamp,if the lamp lights, it means you have a +ve fault.
vv when the switch is pushed so the bonding is connected to the +ve lamp, if the lamp lights, you have a -ve fault (most common)
I thought I had a diagram of this but I don't seem to...if i find it In will post it as a photo....
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: AC earth on SM and SN

rossienio@...
 

understood thanks herbert.
EnioRossi
EARENDIL #SN122
ITALY


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Alex,

WOW!  I’m a diver but I am not in such a hurry to get back under as to require 2 compressors onboard.

GL with the sale.

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007

On 28 Sep 2016, at 09:31, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jean-Pierre,
the reason why I was asking is that the boat I bought has two installed. If someone needs a compresoor, I could make a good offering.
Alex Ramseyer
SY NO STRESS, AMEL54, n15,


On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 12:28 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Hello Alex,

The most common dive compressor is the Bauer Junior.  However, Robin from SM Gros Doux installed a less expensive German (IIRC) unit which is smaller and ighter.

Look up his blog under “Gros Doux”.  He also answers his emails promptly.  His solution may interest you.

Fair winds,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM007


On 27 Sep 2016, at 09:35, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Thomas,
have you decided for a dive compressor in the meantime?
Kind Regards, Alex
AMEL54 no 15, "NO STRESS"


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Hi Jean-Pierre,
the reason why I was asking is that the boat I bought has two installed. If someone needs a compresoor, I could make a good offering.
Alex Ramseyer
SY NO STRESS, AMEL54, n15,
alexramseyer@...


On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 12:28 PM, "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hello Alex,

The most common dive compressor is the Bauer Junior.  However, Robin from SM Gros Doux installed a less expensive German (IIRC) unit which is smaller and ighter.

Look up his blog under “Gros Doux”.  He also answers his emails promptly.  His solution may interest you.

Fair winds,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM007


On 27 Sep 2016, at 09:35, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Thomas,
have you decided for a dive compressor in the meantime?
Kind Regards, Alex
AMEL54 no 15, "NO STRESS"



Jean-Pierre Germain,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...




Leak detector of mass circuit

rossienio@...
 

Goodmorning everyone. On my Santorin there is no leak detector of mass circuit as in the Supermaramu.
Does anyone know if you can put it, what object to use, and how to connect? Thank you all. After the problems occurred in Kent Robertson the current leaks bother me much.....Good winds

Enio Rossi

Earendil #SN122

Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water in the cockpit locker

karkauai
 

Hi Paul.  The high pressure line goes to the back of the panel there where it is metered and the valve that adjusts pressure is located.  A leak anywhere in that system would be salt water.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Currently Curacao, heading W & S next week weather permitting.

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 27, 2016, at 11:05 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill, Jean Pierre


is is salt water behind the control panel for de desalinator? That was something we considered as a source, actually my wife (clever girl).

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 Teneriffe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water in the cockpit locker

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill, Jean Pierre

is is salt water behind the control panel for de desalinator? That was something we considered as a source, actually my wife (clever girl).

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 Teneriffe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water in the cockpit locker

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Paul and Bill,



Bill is correct; the Dessalator controls are indeed mounted on the forward facing bulkhead.  If the HP lines leak, they will leak there too. I changed HP lines last month because the installer had cross threaded a HP line and broke the fitting on the back of the panel….

Humm!!!

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007.


On 27 Sep 2016, at 15:01, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul,
installation 
On BeBe, SM 387, the Dessalator controls are accessible from that locker. If you have the same, remove a piece of plywood on the forward end of the locker to see the backside of the Dessalator Control panel and plumbing.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 9:44 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We found a half bucket of salt water in the cockpit locker. It looks as if the water has come in to the forward part of the locker, but we can't relay figure out how it came in. We have had som bumpy sailing with some spray on the deck, but nothing extraordinaire, we have encounter much worse condition before.  

One source could be some bolts that hold the genoa track are not holding tight.

Have anyone encounter something similar and have any idea from where the water could come?


Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water in the cockpit locker

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

On BeBe, SM 387, the Dessalator controls are accessible from that locker. If you have the same, remove a piece of plywood on the forward end of the locker to see the backside of the Dessalator Control panel and plumbing.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 9:44 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We found a half bucket of salt water in the cockpit locker. It looks as if the water has come in to the forward part of the locker, but we can't relay figure out how it came in. We have had som bumpy sailing with some spray on the deck, but nothing extraordinaire, we have encounter much worse condition before.  

One source could be some bolts that hold the genoa track are not holding tight.

Have anyone encounter something similar and have any idea from where the water could come?


Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water in the cockpit locker

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Paul,

Been there!  Easy fix.

The port side is the air intake for the engine/genset.  Though the air is taken from the underside of the Amel logo, check the top half of the panel is indeed water tight.  We cured our problem by removing the AMEL panel, cleaning the sealant used by the PO and replaced the panel with a Sikaflex 290i without hardening primer.  Still OK after 1 year.  

5 minute job!!

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM 007, Madeira


On 27 Sep 2016, at 14:44, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We found a half bucket of salt water in the cockpit locker. It looks as if the water has come in to the forward part of the locker, but we can't relay figure out how it came in. We have had som bumpy sailing with some spray on the deck, but nothing extraordinaire, we have encounter much worse condition before.  

One source could be some bolts that hold the genoa track are not holding tight.

Have anyone encounter something similar and have any idea from where the water could come?


Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


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Salt water in the cockpit locker

Paul Osterberg
 

We found a half bucket of salt water in the cockpit locker. It looks as if the water has come in to the forward part of the locker, but we can't relay figure out how it came in. We have had som bumpy sailing with some spray on the deck, but nothing extraordinaire, we have encounter much worse condition before.  

One source could be some bolts that hold the genoa track are not holding tight.

Have anyone encounter something similar and have any idea from where the water could come?


Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC Panel Green Light

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks again!

Alexandre


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On Tue, 9/27/16, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC Panel Green Light
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 7:07 AM


 









Alexandre,
I know this thread has gotten out of control, but I wanted
to answer an earlier question you directed to me regarding
my Onan generator monitor. I bought a module from Onan. They
call it a NIM (Network Interface Module). I installed it
myself and connected it to my Maretron NMEA2000 network. It
was fairly simple to set up but a bit expensive, as you also
have buy a cable to connect the NIM to the generator control
board in addition to the NIM itself. The NIM outputs
engine/generator parameters, much as the optional instrument
panel would if you had that, which I do
not.
I am
not sure what Onan generator you have or how old it is, but
you can check the parts list for your unit to see if the NIM
and cable are available.
Jamie s/v Phantom Amel
54 #044

On Tuesday, September
27, 2016 7:32 AM,
"'hanspeter.baettig@...'
hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



 









Hi allthanks for the
"shit storm" 😉 ok I missed the 1800-1500
numbers; its pretty clear . less
Freq. less rpm; okfair winds to
allhp

Von meinem iPhone
gesendet
Am 27.09.2016 um 10:11
schrieb Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
















 










A little bit
off googling confirms that:

 
“The two
factors are related as per the following formula

Generator
Frequency (f) = Number of revolutions per minute of the
engine (N) * Number of magnetic poles (P) / 120

Conversely, P
= 120*f/N

 
As per the
above formulae, a 2-pole generator producing an output
frequency of 60 Hz has an engine speed of 3,600 rpm. To
change the output frequency to 50 Hz for the same generator
configuration,
the engine speed needs to be reduced to 3,000 rpm.
Similarly, for a 4-pole generator, an engine speed of 1,800
rpm produces output of 60 Hz. Reducing the engine speed to
1,500 rpm yields an output of 50 Hz.”

 
Andrew

Ronpische
SM472

 

 

From:
"amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>
on behalf of "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>

Reply-To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>

Date: Tuesday, 27 September 2016 at 10:00

To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] AC Panel Green
Light


 

 



Hi Peter,

 


Think about it a bit;
the mathematical relationship is wrong if we are to use your
suggestion.


 


ABSOLUTELY, 50 Hz is
1500 rpm.  60 Hz is 1800 rpm.


 


Fair winds to you my
friend!


 


Jean-Pierre
Germain


Eleuthera, SM 007,
Madeira


 


 



On 26 Sep 2016, at
23:00, 'hanspeter.baettig@...'
hanspeter.baettig@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 


 


 


hi Bill Kenney


your are wrong. 50 hz at 1800
rpm


60 hz at 1500 rpm


read the manual


kind regards


Hanspeter


Tamango 2


SM16




Von meinem iPhone gesendet




Am 26.09.2016 um 16:42 schrieb Bill Kinney
greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:




 


Hello  All,

 


On these generators the rotational
speed controls the FREQUENCY of the power NOT the voltage.
 A 50 Hz generator should run at 1500 RPM, for 60 Hz they
should run at 1800 RPM.  If your frequency is right, your
speed
is right.  If you voltage is wrong, something else needs
fixing.


 


 



Bill Kinney


SM #160, Harmonie



Solomons, MD, Chesapeake Bay,
USA


“Ships and men rot in
port."


http://fetchinketch.net



 


 


 

 



On Sep 26, 2016, at 06:06,
svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 




Hello
Alexandre,


 


Ours puts out
219V with no load, 217V with max load, and 218V with half
load.  It's been that way for at least 3 years, since I
started looking at this measurement.



 


I asked the
only Onan-recommended, Onan certified dealer, in this part
of the world why I am not getting 230V on a 230V boat, and
whether he should adjust it.



 


He bent over,
took a pic of the genset spec plate and showed me his phone:
the genset spec reads "220V".  He said we should
leave it alone.



 


Now with this
thread I a am not so sure.  



 


When he comes
by tomorrow, I'll ask him to check the RPMs.  Should be
1800, uh?



 


Cheerio,




 


Peregrinus


SM2K No.
350


Marina
d'Arechi, Salerno



 



 







 


 





 






 









Jean-Pierre Germain,


+44 7551 211 511

jp.germain@...



jp.germain45@...










 











































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery charger in "Power Supply" mode?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello James,

Actually my Dolphin battery charger were replaced by MDP (who bought Dolphin).

Thanks!

Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 9/27/16, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery charger in "Power Supply" mode?
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 6:57 AM


 









I
have a Charles battery charger now. It was replaced before I
bought the boat. So I am not sure about the numbering
positions. However, if your charger (Dolphin?) puts out
charging current it should do the job in Supply mode. It
will see your DC loads no differently.Good
luck,Jamie s/v Phantom Amel
54 #044

On Tuesday, September
27, 2016 6:39 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



 









Hello again James,



Sorry about the battery compartment explosion, but thanks
for the information on the using the charger in "Power
Supply" mode.

So pretty much you just had to rotate in the selected to
position "8"



Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 9/26/16, James Wendell ms42phantom54@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery charger in
"Power Supply" mode?

To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>

Date: Monday, September 26, 2016, 7:12 PM





 



















Alexandre,

I ran all my DC systems directly off the smaller battery

charger for several months after my battery compartment

exploded. I had no batteries at all and had no issues as

long as I had AC power (generator or

shore).Jamie s/v Phantom Amel

54 #044



On Monday, September

26, 2016 7:32 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar

uster@... [amelyachtowners]"

<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:







 



















Good evening Bill,







But with the charging device off I am not having power
to

fridge and freezer…



That why I thought of disconnecting them, then switching

back on the charger on power supply.



Not sure I explain myself correctly…



Alexandre







--------------------------------------------



On Mon, 9/26/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse'

yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]

<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery charger in

"Power Supply" mode?



To: "amelyachtowners@..."

<amelyachtowners@...>



Date: Monday, September 26, 2016, 5:56 PM











 







































Alex,



You do not need to disconnect the



batteries one hour before you test them...just turn off

any



and all charging devices and wait an hour before you

test



them. Disconnect 1 pair of batteries at a time...test

each,



then reconnect them. When you are finished, turn on the



chargers.



BillBeBe



387



On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at



6:31 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...



[amelyachtowners]

<amelyachtowners@...>



wrote:































































 















































Good afternoon,















Has anyone used its battery charger on the “Power



Supply” mode?















Soon, I plan to disconnect the batteries, wait an hour

then



test them.







I don’t want my fridge and freezer not to cool down

for



1.5 to 2 hours and was thinking (once the batteries



disconnected) to switch to the “power supply” mode.






















Later on, I am likely to change the batteries, will be

the



same process, likely to take more time and again will

want



the “power supply” mode.















Has anyone used it? Recommendations?















Thanks in advance.















Sincerely, Alexandre







SM2K #289 NIKIMAT







Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico







































































































































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