Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Bill you're right about heating stainless steel. It work hardens the stainless and leaves it brittle. And don't hammer it either does the same thing. Also keep in mind that pound for pound steel anchors are by far stronger than SS. Fair Winds Smooth Sailing Capt Richard Piller Newport RI Cell 603 767 5330 On Oct 31, 2016, at 08:26, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Barry, About 10 years ago, I also bent the Wasi stainless steel anchor shank. I also contacted Wasi and was told to straighten the shank using a "cold" press, no heat. I was told that heat will weaken the stainless steel. I am not saying who is right here, but I firmly believe that heating that shank will weaken the strength of the shank. Bill BeBe 387 On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ONAN MDKVA Generator running problem
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Gerhard, Let me try to help you via long distance, as best as I can: The Onan on BeBe has a Governor, Actuator Part Number 306-5006-01 which replaced old#151-0779-01 . This governor keeps the Onan engine at 1,500 RPM regardless of load. As the load increases, RPM the governor increases the throttle to keep the RPM set at 1500. The governor is controlled by the PCB electronic control board. Assuming that you do not have a fuel problem, I would do the following, in this order.
Bill BeBe 387
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 2:48 AM, pepinoamel <no_reply@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
JEFFREY KRAUS
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ONAN MDKVA Generator running problem
pepinoamel <no_reply@...>
Hi all, My generator is not running properly for the last few days. It starts off fine for about 20 minutes and then revolusions go up and down in a wave pattern which gets worse and sounds like it's going to stall but it hasn't stalled yet. When I turn it off there are no fault messages. I've changed the primary and the Onan fuel filter and that hasn't fixed the problem. It doesn't really sound like fuel starvation as the ups and downs are too even for that. Has anybody got any suggestions what I could look for? Many thanks. Gerhard Hoffmann SM 381 Pepino Greece
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
Hi Jeff, I have limited internet until I connect to some plan in Italy. Will probably do a video on how I went about designing and making the Bimini, I have 6ft clearance under it. I bent my 30kg Wasi stainless steel anchor pulling it from a rock, the windlass on the 54 is strong. Phoned the manufacturer in Germany then straightened it using oxy torches and a big vice. Put the video on YouTube, only one on YouTube showing how to straighten a bent boat anchor. I have changed my A/C pump from the original. Amel Hyeres could not supply the original and are now very interested to see how it works. I got a Marsh magnetic pump from Florida, silent, half the size and half the price of the original - no drive shaft. Pumps a little more per hour than the original. Best Regards Barry and Penelope "Lady Penelope II" Amel 54 # 17 Marina di Ragusa Sicily On Oct 29, 2016, at 3:43 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Jeff, That is a very good decision. Amel switched to AGMs in the 55...well, they made a lot of changes with the 55 including the location of the batteries. I believe that none of us are 100% qualified to change an Amel design on boats made by Amel before the 55. Bill BeBe 387
On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:40 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
JEFFREY KRAUS
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
Hello Jeff, I kept with the regular flooded lead acid batteries after Olivier told me not to change anything as one change affected many other things. I probably have the same Dolphin chargers 30 amp and 100 amp and extra motor charger as you. They are both set to recharge regular lead acid batteries. I bought 13 lead acid batteries 15 months ago from the Internet store "Megabatteries" they are in UK and France, 115 amp hour for about $80 to $90 each. I will be happy if they last 4 years. I thought that I could let them drop to 60% before recharging but AMEL Hyeres told me to not let them go below 70%. When sailing I run my generator for up to 2 hours in the morning to get them above 85% and then rely on my solar panels to keep topping them up during the day. My solar panels can produce up to 14 amps, my usage when sailing with all instruments, autopilot and 3 fridges can be up to about 7 to 8 amps. In good sunlight I am still adding charge of about 5 amp. I will post shortly photos and description of my solar panel set up. 2 on the rear arch and 4 on the new Bimini. I have just completed and tested this. I thank others who have posted photos of their solar panel set ups, it helped me in my design. Back to batteries. I had Gel on a previous boat and they lasted about 8 years, so it took some thought when Olivier told me not to change things. I am glad I listened to him, everything is working fine on our boat. Hope this helps you. Best Regards Barry and Penelope "Lady Penelope II" Amel 54 # 17 Marina di Ragusa Sicily
On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Hello Pat,
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Velox worked great for me for 1 year. But here in San Juan, it doesn't work... I don't think anything would work here. All my neighbors (and myself) have to clean the hull and propeller every 2 weeks. Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Fri, 10/28/16, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, October 28, 2016, 1:45 PM Bill, If you say Velox is good , than I believe it to be true. Velox never responded to me ,when I asked this question,maybe you know. Is Velox not to be used in fresh water? I know some bottom paints should not be used in anything but salt water. I followed the instructions and my prop was covered with barnacles in three months. Thanks, Pat SM#123 -----Original Message----- From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2016 8:55 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint Only use AGM's if your battery chargers, including high-amp engine-mounted alternator can be set for AGM charging. If you do not set the charges for AGM charging the AGM will work, but you probably will not get the life that you planned. I would use a normal wet cell for the engine start and fit the highest amp battery that will fit...there is more space for the engine start than a Group 31. I have used lots of different ideas on the prop. The best has been Velox and if you use a black bag over the prop, be sure to add 2 cups of powdered clothes washing soap to the bag. Bill BeBe 387 On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Good morning Jeff, Hope to be corrected if wrong, before you purchase AGM batteries, make sure your engine alternator can be set for AGM, otherwise you will damage the batteries. (Obviously your Batterie Chargers can be set for AGM). I had Velox put 1.5 year ago, and it worked beautifully for 1 year, I will use it again. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico ------------------------------ -------------- On Thu, 10/27/16, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016, 6:12 PM My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?I can get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site. With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.Anyone have any experience with it or insight?Thanks,BTW...thanks for the furler responsesJeffSpirit Amel 54 #14 #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868 -- #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial; margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp #yiv2309317868hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%; font-weight:700;line-height: 122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp #yiv2309317868ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp .yiv2309317868ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp .yiv2309317868ad p { margin:0;} #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp .yiv2309317868ad a { 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Pat, I said, "I have used lots of different ideas on the prop. The best has been Velox." I did not say Velox worked in all situations. I said of the things I have used which are listed and rated in order:
I believe the biggest variable is where you are and how often you move. Some places are infested with prolific barnacles. Sometimes running the motor will spin-off fresh barnacles. Some anchorages have none and most marinas have a lot because of boats neglected with a coating of barnacles. When we were stationary for the winter in the Med, I used the black plastic bag three times. It worked for me when adjacent boats did not use a bag and had a lot of barnacles. I used powdered clothes washing detergent because a French Amel owner advised it. He said that they would not grow in water with detergent. Best, Bill BeBe 387
On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
Patrick McAneny
Bill, If you say Velox is good , than I believe it to be true. Velox never responded to me ,when I asked this question,maybe you know. Is Velox not to be used in fresh water? I know some bottom paints should not be used in anything but salt water. I followed the instructions and my prop was covered with barnacles in three months.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123
-----Original Message----- From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2016 8:55 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint Only use AGM's if your battery chargers, including high-amp engine-mounted alternator can be set for AGM charging. If you do not set the charges for AGM charging the AGM will work, but you probably will not get the life that you planned. I would use a normal wet cell for the engine start and fit the highest amp battery that will fit...there is more space for the engine start than a Group 31.
I have used lots of different ideas on the prop. The best has been Velox and if you use a black bag over the prop, be sure to add 2 cups of powdered clothes washing soap to the bag.
Bill
BeBe 387
On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hookah
Hi Kent,
Good to know you are being safe.
I also use a 60’ hookah hose. But I use dive tanks for the air supply. We have a Bauer dive compressor aboard and can refill our own tanks.
We also use the hookah hose so we can leave our tanks in the dinghy when diving. The great thing about this is the dinghy is always above us (with a dive flag) and when we are done we don’t have to worry about finding the boat.
With best regards,
Mark
Super Maramu 2000 Hull #275 www.creampuff.us Currently cruising: Tampa Bay for hurricane season
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 12:43 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hookah
It's an oil less compressor, Mark, inline filter, and hose is safe. I got the info from a professional diver who, among other things like salvage, cleans boat bottoms. It's what he uses. S/V Kristy SM243
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hookah
It's an oil less compressor, Mark, inline filter, and hose is safe. I got the info from a professional diver who, among other things like salvage, cleans boat bottoms. It's what he uses. Kent Robertson S/V Kristy SM243
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Fl haul out
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Yes Joel they are the largest inFla and maybe to U S regard size and capacity. Lifting up to 300 tons and lots of dry storage. Great location they also use the name LMC. Fair Winds Smooth Sailing Capt Richard Piller Newport RI Cell 603 767 5330
On Oct 27, 2016, at 09:52, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Hi keep in mind that as Bill and Alex noted you also have to check on the engine mounted alternator and/or voltage regulator to be sure you can successfully charge the AGMs There is normally a small dip switch on your Dulphin charger to adjust it. But as stated earlier are AGM or Gells worth their high cost. Fair Winds Smooth Sailing Capt Richard Piller Newport RI Cell 603 767 5330
On Oct 28, 2016, at 09:06, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Bill,
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What does the washing detergent does? Jeff, The problem is not the battery charger, but your engine alternator. Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Fri, 10/28/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Friday, October 28, 2016, 6:15 AM Only use AGM's if your battery chargers, including high-amp engine-mounted alternator can be set for AGM charging. If you do not set the charges for AGM charging the AGM will work, but you probably will not get the life that you planned. I would use a normal wet cell for the engine start and fit the highest amp battery that will fit...there is more space for the engine start than a Group 31. I have used lots of different ideas on the prop. The best has been Velox and if you use a black bag over the prop, be sure to add 2 cups of powdered clothes washing soap to the bag. BillBeBe 387 On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Good morning Jeff, Hope to be corrected if wrong, before you purchase AGM batteries, make sure your engine alternator can be set for AGM, otherwise you will damage the batteries. (Obviously your Batterie Chargers can be set for AGM). I had Velox put 1.5 year ago, and it worked beautifully for 1 year, I will use it again. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico ------------------------------ -------------- On Thu, 10/27/16, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote: Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, October 27, 2016, 6:12 PM My battery bank needs replacement. Trust me. Forgive me if this information has been discussed before, and is redundant.Anyone have issues with AGM batteries outside of possible replacement in remote areas?I can get 31M-AGM7 batteries with a RC (reserve capacity) of 190 + 400 RRC (repetitive reserve capacity-basically adding 400 minutes to the RC for $250, with 36 mo warranty.Compare to $115 for a flooded wet cell with a RC of 195, and 18 mo.RC (for those wondering) is the amount in minutes the battery can have a 25 amp draw before going dead.Unless I can be convinced otherwise for good reason, I'll spend the extra $. Thoughts?My good friend Eric (Kimberlite) brought up the possibility of using Velox(spelling) paint on the prop.The issue of keeping the auto prop clean and growth free has been discussed ad nauseum on the site. With that said, I question the value of a painted on product. Obviously the ultimate answer is regular cleaning .Unless that is possible, the spray on pettit prop coat seems like it would offer a smoother result (aerosol application) and give some protection.Eric commented to me he got 6 months out of an application.Anyone have any experience with it or insight?Thanks,BTW...thanks for the furler responsesJeffSpirit Amel 54 #14 #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868 -- #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial; margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp #yiv2309317868hd { color:#628c2a;font-size:85%; font-weight:700;line-height: 122%;margin:10px 0;} #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp #yiv2309317868ads { margin-bottom:10px;} #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp .yiv2309317868ad { padding:0 0;} #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp .yiv2309317868ad p { margin:0;} #yiv2309317868 #yiv2309317868ygrp-mkp .yiv2309317868ad a { 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
JEFFREY KRAUS
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hookah
My 2 cents: Extreme care should be taken with hookah systems. Inhaling air from a compressor not intended or specifically designed for breathing is a bad idea. Bacteria, oils and foreign particles from inside the compressor can cause serious upper respiratory issues.
With best regards,
Mark
Super Maramu 2000 Hull #275 www.creampuff.us Currently cruising: Tampa Bay for hurricane season
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] batteries and prop paint
JEFFREY KRAUS
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