Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SeaBean SM#344
James Studdart
Hi Bill,
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We have crew/friends arriving on the 25th of October and will then be watching the weather. I don't expect we'll leave until early November. Cheers, James. On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 12:08 AM 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SeaBean SM#344
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
James, Welcome to the Group. When do you cross? Bill BeBe 387 On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 5:49 PM, James Studdart james.studdart@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SeaBean SM#344
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Hello James & Chloe
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Congratulations on your SM2K and welcome to our wonderful group! You couldn’t pick a better person than Olivier which we all thank for sharing his knowledge! Thanks for sharing the X-voile overall positive experience! Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico --------------------------------------------
On Fri, 10/7/16, James Studdart james.studdart@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SeaBean SM#344 To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, October 7, 2016, 4:49 PM Hi All, although I've been a fairly quiet member of this group for some time now, I thought that I would mention Chloe and I are the new(ish) owners SeaBean (SM#344). Well, actually, we have owned her for months. Time flies with two young children and boat projects! Sorry for the late introduction. We bought the boat from Michel and had the survey done by Olivier (Merci pour le très bon travail!). We felt doing that gave us the best chance at a good boat and so far, I think we've done pretty well. Shortly after we bought the boat we had the rigging replaced by X-Voiles in Hyeres. Although we did have a problem that only came to light in the Gibraltar, they flew out to the Canaries when we arrived and took care of it. As much as we'd all like everything to be perfect first time, I can't say enough about how important customer service is and they really came through. As mentioned before, Olivier at X-Voiles, is a wonderful resource of knowledge and showed me a great deal as he was working on the rig. He knows the rigs of these boats exceptionally well. And, we have new sails from Q-Sails in turkey (Thanks Bill/Bebe). We only just received them up before we left Gibraltar, but they are very nice indeed. Thanks to this group I've managed to take care of all the big items of maintenance and service. Although I could probably have struggled through it, I hate to think how much longer it'd take, especially with the kids running around. Thank you all so much! Anyway, just wanted to say hello and I hope to run into you as we go. Cheers, James & Chloe Studdart SeaBean SM#344 Las Palmas, Grand Canaria
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SeaBean SM#344
James Studdart
Hi All, although I've been a fairly quiet member of this group for some time now, I thought that I would mention Chloe and I are the new(ish) owners SeaBean (SM#344). Well, actually, we have owned her for months. Time flies with two young children and boat projects! Sorry for the late introduction. We bought the boat from Michel and had the survey done by Olivier (Merci pour le très bon travail!). We felt doing that gave us the best chance at a good boat and so far, I think we've done pretty well. Shortly after we bought the boat we had the rigging replaced by X-Voiles in Hyeres. Although we did have a problem that only came to light in the Gibraltar, they flew out to the Canaries when we arrived and took care of it. As much as we'd all like everything to be perfect first time, I can't say enough about how important customer service is and they really came through. As mentioned before, Olivier at X-Voiles, is a wonderful resource of knowledge and showed me a great deal as he was working on the rig. He knows the rigs of these boats exceptionally well. And, we have new sails from Q-Sails in turkey (Thanks Bill/Bebe). We only just received them up before we left Gibraltar, but they are very nice indeed. Thanks to this group I've managed to take care of all the big items of maintenance and service. Although I could probably have struggled through it, I hate to think how much longer it'd take, especially with the kids running around. Thank you all so much! Anyway, just wanted to say hello and I hope to run into you as we go. Cheers, James & Chloe Studdart SeaBean SM#344 Las Palmas, Grand Canaria
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Victron Energy Centaur 24v 60amp charger
william_maffei@...
Hey Alexandre -
Thanks for your comments! As always! I am not sure what is happening right now but as we speak the charger is running normally (26.3v in float). When I run the engine for extended periods of time my engine room never exceeds 40C and while on my slip connected to shore power the engine room is around 24C. On hot days it might be around 31C tops. Also note: this is with the charger turned on and the transformer humming away. I guess at the moment I am fine with not running the charger while I am away from the boat as I have plenty of power and solar energy to likely run the boat for weeks without it turned on. While I cruise I only have the charger on while the genset is running for about 2 hours a day so again, this causes not problems. The strange part is that if I notice it goes to lower amps at 100% charge and still puts out 28.4v, I simply turn the charger off wait and hour and turn it back on and it works fine again and moves to float at 26.3v. This is perplexing to me. I guess it really pays off to know you boat and all its systems. I am very in tune with anything out of the ordinary on board. Again, thoughts and comments from other owners are welcome. I am by no means qualified to remedy this problem. Bill Maffei It's all Good Sm #195
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 100HP impeller: clockwise or counterclockwise?
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
Thank you Bill and Mark! Isn't it amazing that both your instructors emphasised the same thing!
Bestest, Peregrinus Naxos (Sicily)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Victron Energy Centaur 24v 60amp charger
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Hello Bill,
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I don’t know anything, this is only a suspicion: Here is my train of thought: I had the original 30 and 50 amp Dolphin chargers. My 50 Amp failed (2 years ago in Nassau), I was surprised as I use it much less… Thinking my 30 was failing I also replaced it, so now have a 40 and 60 MDP (they purchased Dolphin). Recently the display of the 60 failed… (same thing surprised as I use it less). But I noted both are at the top of the engine room. I suspect is the temperature is getting too high at the top, even with both blowers working, it is not enough. When motoring or using the genset, I constantly monitor the engine room temperature because I am afraid of reaching 50*C which will start melting the Onan control board. I often end up opening the engine room hatch, but still get 47*C a little over the Generator where my gage is. The temperature will be higher at the top of the engine room (where the charger is). One of my project is to improve the engine room ventilation. Several options on paper, from simple blower to just move the air or additional extractor blower like we have. haven’t committed yet to one. Idea are welcome of course! Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico --------------------------------------------
On Fri, 10/7/16, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Victron Energy Centaur 24v 60amp charger To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, October 7, 2016, 7:02 AM I have a Heart Charger in the aft cabin closet that works fine but I use it as a back up. I use the Victron as my primary and that is located in the engine room on the same shelf as the transformer. So yes it is at the top of the engine room. What do you know Alexandre!!! :) Why would this all of a sudden happen when things have not be changed in over 1.5 years? Bill MSM#195It's all Good
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Re: Victron Energy Centaur 24v 60amp charger
william_maffei@...
I have a Heart Charger in the aft cabin closet that works fine but I use it as a back up. I use the Victron as my primary and that is located in the engine room on the same shelf as the transformer. So yes it is at the top of the engine room. What do you know Alexandre!!! :)
Why would this all of a sudden happen when things have not be changed in over 1.5 years? Bill M SM#195 It's all Good
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 100HP impeller: clockwise or counterclockwise?
Hi Bill,
During my diesel mechanic school our instructor did the same thing. There were a few students that had a hard time with this. He took the cover off the water pump, removed and replaced the impeller with the blades going in all different directions. With the cover to the pump still off, he gave the starter a short burst. Within the first engine turn from the starter, the impeller blades were oriented in correct direction. Magic!
With best regards,
Mark
Super Maramu 2000 Hull #275 www.creampuff.us Currently cruising: Tampa Bay for hurricane season
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 6:39 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 100HP impeller: clockwise or counterclockwise?
Francisco,
I was not going to comment because you received very good advice from Alex and Mark.
But, since we need to help you remove all doubt, here is my comment: When I attended the Yanmar Diesel School the instructor made a BIG deal about this. He took a new water pump and with the cover off rotated the shaft with some pliers first clockwise, then counter clockwise to show us that the blades would flip direction. He told us not to worry about it.
Bill BeBe 387
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 4:22 AM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Thank you Alexandre and Mark.
I will no longer worry about this, but I would be remiss if I did not note that the Yanmar operation manual reads, on this point:
And that the little manual included inside the Yanmar impeller bag contains not one, but two drawings showing the direction of turn of the impeller. Clockwise impeller turn (!), counterclockwise water flow (!), the bend of the impeller, and I can't make heads nor tails of these drawings. So it is all greek to me. But no worries, the impeller is working well after about two hour's use! I used the Yanmar glycerine lubricant that came with the impeller and have noticed before that none of my mechanics other than the authorised Yanmar mechanic in Fort Lauderdale used glycerine. They all used other products such as silicone grease.
Cheerio,
Peregrinus SM2K N. 350 At anchor, Giardini Naxos, Sicily
Good morning Francisco,
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Victron Energy Centaur 24v 60amp charger
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Bill & Francisco,
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Out of curiosity, is the defective charger at the top (of the 2 chargers), in other words the closest of the ceiling of the engine room? Let me know, then I will explain. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico --------------------------------------------
On Fri, 10/7/16, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Victron Energy Centaur 24v 60amp charger To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Friday, October 7, 2016, 3:04 AM The phenomenon you describe started happening on our 30A Mastervolt about a year ago. Agreed that at full or near full the batts take the same small quantity of amps at either the Float voltage (27 for us) or at the Absorption voltage (29 for us). I don't know why this happened, and I only attributed to general Mastervolt iffiness. My "solution" is that I only use the 30A charger as a "boost" when the batteries are able to absorb more than what the 100A Mastervolt delivers. Once the batteries are absorbing, say, only 80A, I put the 30A on standby and let the 100A carry on. It then reliably switches to "Float" voltage (but still charging) somewhere around the 99% charge. Frankly, more testing is necessary; but as I can't risk boiling off even tiny amounts of liquid on my sealed AGMs, all I know is that at 99% and even 100%, one of my two chargers wants to put more than 27V Float, which is a huge no-no for our Trojans, so I can't afford to, say, let the 30A stay on for 24Hrs just to see what happens. Let us know what you find out! PeregrinusSM2K No. 350 (2002)At anchor, Giardini Naxos (Taormina), Sicily ---In amelyachtowners@..., <william_maffei@...> wrote : Anyone have a Victron Energy Centaur 24v 60amp charger on board? For some reason, it has a hard time going into float lately (i think). Voltage ends up staying around 28.2 when batteries are 100%. If I turn it off and wait about and hour and turn it back on it goes into float (26.3v). Batteries are cool to touch and I have a sensor in the compartment to monitor temperature. Nothing abnormal to report. I do have a Victron solar charger as well that controls a 450W panel in conjunction with normal battery charger. Perhaps they are related? Anybody chime in? This all started after a haul in early July. Again, besides the voltage staying around 28.2 everything seems normal. The amp meter even reads normal which leads me to believe input to the batteries remains acceptable. One more thing, I have noticed that sometimes when I turn the dome light in the pass through on the GPS at the navi station turns on. Could this be a short somewhere. Boat are strange sometimes. 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 100HP impeller: clockwise or counterclockwise?
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Francisco, I was not going to comment because you received very good advice from Alex and Mark. But, since we need to help you remove all doubt, here is my comment: When I attended the Yanmar Diesel School the instructor made a BIG deal about this. He took a new water pump and with the cover off rotated the shaft with some pliers first clockwise, then counter clockwise to show us that the blades would flip direction. He told us not to worry about it. He said that he had no idea why Yanmar continued to print the piece that you quoted. Oh, and he really believed in the glycerine to lubricate the new impeller...that is all that I have used, except I use silicone grease on the O ring...I use silicone grease on all O rings. Best, Bill BeBe 387
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 4:22 AM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 100HP impeller: clockwise or counterclockwise?
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
Thank you Alexandre and Mark.
I will no longer worry about this, but I would be remiss if I did not note that the Yanmar operation manual reads, on this point:
And that the little manual included inside the Yanmar impeller bag contains not one, but two drawings showing the direction of turn of the impeller. Clockwise impeller turn (!), counterclockwise water flow (!), the bend of the impeller, and I can't make heads nor tails of these drawings. So it is all greek to me. But no worries, the impeller is working well after about two hour's use! I used the Yanmar glycerine lubricant that came with the impeller and have noticed before that none of my mechanics other than the authorised Yanmar mechanic in Fort Lauderdale used glycerine. They all used other products such as silicone grease. Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2K N. 350 At anchor, Giardini Naxos, Sicily ---In amelyachtowners@..., <uster@...> wrote : Good morning Francisco, It really doesn't matter for the blade, as soon as the engine start, they will adjust. I know it is counter intuitive, but don't worry about it. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 10/5/16, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Victron Energy Centaur 24v 60amp charger
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
The phenomenon you describe started happening on our 30A Mastervolt about a year ago. Agreed that at full or near full the batts take the same small quantity of amps at either the Float voltage (27 for us) or at the Absorption voltage (29 for us).
I don't know why this happened, and I only attributed to general Mastervolt iffiness. My "solution" is that I only use the 30A charger as a "boost" when the batteries are able to absorb more than what the 100A Mastervolt delivers. Once the batteries are absorbing, say, only 80A, I put the 30A on standby and let the 100A carry on. It then reliably switches to "Float" voltage (but still charging) somewhere around the 99% charge. Frankly, more testing is necessary; but as I can't risk boiling off even tiny amounts of liquid on my sealed AGMs, all I know is that at 99% and even 100%, one of my two chargers wants to put more than 27V Float, which is a huge no-no for our Trojans, so I can't afford to, say, let the 30A stay on for 24Hrs just to see what happens. Let us know what you find out! Peregrinus SM2K No. 350 (2002) At anchor, Giardini Naxos (Taormina), Sicily ---In amelyachtowners@..., <william_maffei@...> wrote : Anyone have a Victron Energy Centaur 24v 60amp charger on board? For some reason, it has a hard time going into float lately (i think). Voltage ends up staying around 28.2 when batteries are 100%. If I turn it off and wait about and hour and turn it back on it goes into float (26.3v). Batteries are cool to touch and I have a sensor in the compartment to monitor temperature. Nothing abnormal to report. I do have a Victron solar charger as well that controls a 450W panel in conjunction with normal battery charger. Perhaps they are related? Anybody chime in? This all started after a haul in early July. Again, besides the voltage staying around 28.2 everything seems normal. The amp meter even reads normal which leads me to believe input to the batteries remains acceptable. One more thing, I have noticed that sometimes when I turn the dome light in the pass through on the GPS at the navi station turns on. Could this be a short somewhere. Boat are strange sometimes. Bill Maffei It's all Good SM #195
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Victron Energy Centaur 24v 60amp charger
william_maffei@...
Anyone have a Victron Energy Centaur 24v 60amp charger on board? For some reason, it has a hard time going into float lately (i think). Voltage ends up staying around 28.2 when batteries are 100%. If I turn it off and wait about and hour and turn it back on it goes into float (26.3v). Batteries are cool to touch and I have a sensor in the compartment to monitor temperature. Nothing abnormal to report. I do have a Victron solar charger as well that controls a 450W panel in conjunction with normal battery charger. Perhaps they are related? Anybody chime in? This all started after a haul in early July. Again, besides the voltage staying around 28.2 everything seems normal. The amp meter even reads normal which leads me to believe input to the batteries remains acceptable.
One more thing, I have noticed that sometimes when I turn the dome light in the pass through on the GPS at the navi station turns on. Could this be a short somewhere. Boat are strange sometimes. Bill Maffei It's all Good SM #195
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 100HP impeller: clockwise or counterclockwise?
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Francisco,
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It really doesn't matter for the blade, as soon as the engine start, they will adjust. I know it is counter intuitive, but don't worry about it. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico --------------------------------------------
On Wed, 10/5/16, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 100HP impeller: clockwise or counterclockwise? To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2016, 9:36 PM Hello all, I changed the impeller by myself yesterday for the first time. It was surprisingly easy. When I inserted it, I turned it to clockwise and the blades bent accordingly. Clockwise when my perspective was bow to aft, which is the perspective one sees when replacing with the pump in situ. Does it go in this way? Or the other way around? Thanks in advance! 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 100HP impeller: clockwise or counterclockwise?
Don’t worry too much about which way you put the blades. After the first revolution they will sort themselves out.
Hint: using dish soap can really help getting the new impeller in. And, when you see bubbles exit the exhaust, you know you have water-flow.
With best regards,
Mark
Super Maramu 2000 Hull #275 www.creampuff.us Currently cruising: Tampa Bay for hurricane season
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 10:36 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 100HP impeller: clockwise or counterclockwise?
Hello all,
I changed the impeller by myself yesterday for the first time. It was surprisingly easy.
When I inserted it, I turned it to clockwise and the blades bent accordingly.
Clockwise when my perspective was bow to aft, which is the perspective one sees when replacing with the pump in situ.
Does it go in this way? Or the other way around?
Thanks in advance!
Peregrinus SM2K No. 350 - 2002 At anchor, Scylla (Strait of Messina)
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Yanmar 100HP impeller: clockwise or counterclockwise?
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
Hello all, I changed the impeller by myself yesterday for the first time. It was surprisingly easy. When I inserted it, I turned it to clockwise and the blades bent accordingly. Clockwise when my perspective was bow to aft, which is the perspective one sees when replacing with the pump in situ. Does it go in this way? Or the other way around? Thanks in advance! Peregrinus SM2K No. 350 - 2002 At anchor, Scylla (Strait of Messina)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mizzen bom car track
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
Paul,
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Your approach certainly will work, and has the undeniable virtues of simplicity, and lower cost. We wanted a solution that had us only needing to work one side of the boat to adjust the traveler. I proposed using two cam cleats, but Karen pushed for the line tender to eliminate extra lines in the cockpit. I have put enough holes in enough different boats over the years so that prospect doesn’t intimidate me.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mizzen bom car track
Hello Bill
I thought of a more simple solution.just put a duoble block at the end of the track on each side, and corresponding block on the car.then just a rope on each side that you fasten on the existing cleat on the after cabin roof, that give you control from the cockpit without the need to drill any hole in the roof. Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
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Re: need anchor roller and all bow fittings
Miles, I don't know anyone personally in Portsmouth but you are sure.in the right area to find a fabricator to make a new assembly.
In Annapolis I could recommend both a rigger and a welder who could likely build up everything needed just from pictures and while not inexpensive, likely for less expense than sourcing parts from Amel. I guess I would start simply by asking the marina office/boatyard to put you in touch with people to get estimates from. If there's another Amel nearby it'd be great as they could get a template. Sorry to hear about the incident and sad that the responsible party isn't so responsible. Best wishes! Gary W SM209, Adagio Gaeta, Italy
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