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Re: Thank you Bob Rossi and Previous Owners- Drawings found

rossirossix4
 

Hi Eric,
You are welcome.  Like many other Amel owners we make a copy of pictures, documents, pdfs by manufacturers and Amel Group postings, web pages, etc.  They are easily organized into folders by subject, etc.  With the advent of inexpensive tablets and cheap micro SD cards this information is easy to access off-line.  A tablet or phone protected in a zip lock or other protective closure can be helpful during repairs, etc. Enjoy your Santorin!
Bob, KAIMI SM 429


Re: Autopilot breaker tripped...

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

We sailed over two hours yesterday with the Raymarine autopilot.  No problems, all was perfect.

There is only one thing connected to the 24V panel autopilot breaker (the one with the steering wheel icon): the autopilot computer.  Right?

Cheerio,


Peregrinus
SM2K No. 350 (2002)
At anchor, Lipari (Aeolian Is.)


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Advice on Singlehand for the SM or 40 footers

Stephen Davis
 

I saw  numerous boats last season in the Caribbean using this technique with great success. It is on my list to give it a try this year and see how it goes. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Grenada

On Oct 3, 2016, at 21:02, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill, I've never seen anyone do that, but I'll give it a try.  Sounds like it ought to work!
Kent

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

One of the tricks I used to teach people who were singlehanding or sailing with naive crew was to back up to the mooring, stern to wind.  On most boats there is much better view from the helm to the stern so it is easy to get as close as needed. And for boats with swim platforms, it is trivial to pick up the pennant.  If you have a long line rigged to the bow, you can catch the mooring pennant with that and pull just pull the bow around and snug up as close as needed.  If it’s windy, you can use the drum on the windlass to warp around.


People look at you strangely as you back to the mooring, but it goes quite smoothly even with just one person onboard handling things.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Oct 3, 2016, at 19:55, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi again Jmbo.  My experience is similar to the others in Reverse.  No noticeable prop walk.  I assumed it is because the prop is so far forward.  The rudder doesn't bite in reverse until you have a knot or more of speed, so the advice to use the bow thruster to steer is correct.  In forward you have more control of the stern because if prop WASH (not walk).  It's really not hard to do with a little practice.

I haven't done a lot of Med mooring, and none in significant wind.  I never use the bow thruster when catching a mooring ball for fear of getting the line caught.  It's hard to keep the bow into the wind when idling along, so it's not uncommon for me to have to make a couple of tries, especially when I'm single handing or have inexperienced crew.  I haven't decided the best way to do Med mooring in a wind or current with the anchor chain out.  I'm interested in what others do.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Oct 3, 2016, at 3:49 PM, jandrkennedy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Alexandre,

thanks for sharing your experiences and tips - I agree with docking in wind on my 38 - I used to have some fun with wind gusts.

It sound like sailing however is no problem either single handed of short handed - which I was trying to get a handle on.

In reverse - does the SM tend to go straight back or "screw sideways" with the prop?

Again thanks for your time and comments -

Jimbo - getting keener by the second!!




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Advice on Singlehand for the SM or 40 footers

karkauai
 

Thanks Bill, I've never seen anyone do that, but I'll give it a try.  Sounds like it ought to work!
Kent

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

One of the tricks I used to teach people who were singlehanding or sailing with naive crew was to back up to the mooring, stern to wind.  On most boats there is much better view from the helm to the stern so it is easy to get as close as needed. And for boats with swim platforms, it is trivial to pick up the pennant.  If you have a long line rigged to the bow, you can catch the mooring pennant with that and pull just pull the bow around and snug up as close as needed.  If it’s windy, you can use the drum on the windlass to warp around.


People look at you strangely as you back to the mooring, but it goes quite smoothly even with just one person onboard handling things.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Oct 3, 2016, at 19:55, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi again Jmbo.  My experience is similar to the others in Reverse.  No noticeable prop walk.  I assumed it is because the prop is so far forward.  The rudder doesn't bite in reverse until you have a knot or more of speed, so the advice to use the bow thruster to steer is correct.  In forward you have more control of the stern because if prop WASH (not walk).  It's really not hard to do with a little practice.

I haven't done a lot of Med mooring, and none in significant wind.  I never use the bow thruster when catching a mooring ball for fear of getting the line caught.  It's hard to keep the bow into the wind when idling along, so it's not uncommon for me to have to make a couple of tries, especially when I'm single handing or have inexperienced crew.  I haven't decided the best way to do Med mooring in a wind or current with the anchor chain out.  I'm interested in what others do.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Oct 3, 2016, at 3:49 PM, jandrkennedy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Alexandre,

thanks for sharing your experiences and tips - I agree with docking in wind on my 38 - I used to have some fun with wind gusts.

It sound like sailing however is no problem either single handed of short handed - which I was trying to get a handle on.

In reverse - does the SM tend to go straight back or "screw sideways" with the prop?

Again thanks for your time and comments -

Jimbo - getting keener by the second!!




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Advice on Singlehand for the SM or 40 footers

karkauai
 

Hi Ian,
Do you have a folding or fixed prop?
Kent

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:12 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Our SM walks to port in reverse...knowing this can be useful in conjunction with the bowthruster to "steer" onto a dock.


Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Advice on Singlehand for the SM or 40 footers

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

One of the tricks I used to teach people who were singlehanding or sailing with naive crew was to back up to the mooring, stern to wind.  On most boats there is much better view from the helm to the stern so it is easy to get as close as needed. And for boats with swim platforms, it is trivial to pick up the pennant.  If you have a long line rigged to the bow, you can catch the mooring pennant with that and pull just pull the bow around and snug up as close as needed.  If it’s windy, you can use the drum on the windlass to warp around.

People look at you strangely as you back to the mooring, but it goes quite smoothly even with just one person onboard handling things.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Oct 3, 2016, at 19:55, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi again Jmbo.  My experience is similar to the others in Reverse.  No noticeable prop walk.  I assumed it is because the prop is so far forward.  The rudder doesn't bite in reverse until you have a knot or more of speed, so the advice to use the bow thruster to steer is correct.  In forward you have more control of the stern because if prop WASH (not walk).  It's really not hard to do with a little practice.

I haven't done a lot of Med mooring, and none in significant wind.  I never use the bow thruster when catching a mooring ball for fear of getting the line caught.  It's hard to keep the bow into the wind when idling along, so it's not uncommon for me to have to make a couple of tries, especially when I'm single handing or have inexperienced crew.  I haven't decided the best way to do Med mooring in a wind or current with the anchor chain out.  I'm interested in what others do.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Oct 3, 2016, at 3:49 PM, jandrkennedy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Alexandre,

thanks for sharing your experiences and tips - I agree with docking in wind on my 38 - I used to have some fun with wind gusts.

It sound like sailing however is no problem either single handed of short handed - which I was trying to get a handle on.

In reverse - does the SM tend to go straight back or "screw sideways" with the prop?

Again thanks for your time and comments -

Jimbo - getting keener by the second!!




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Advice on Singlehand for the SM or 40 footers

Alan Leslie
 

Our SM walks to port in reverse...knowing this can be useful in conjunction with the bowthruster to "steer" onto a dock.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Advice on Singlehand for the SM or 40 footers

karkauai
 

Hi again Jmbo.  My experience is similar to the others in Reverse.  No noticeable prop walk.  I assumed it is because the prop is so far forward.  The rudder doesn't bite in reverse until you have a knot or more of speed, so the advice to use the bow thruster to steer is correct.  In forward you have more control of the stern because if prop WASH (not walk).  It's really not hard to do with a little practice.

I haven't done a lot of Med mooring, and none in significant wind.  I never use the bow thruster when catching a mooring ball for fear of getting the line caught.  It's hard to keep the bow into the wind when idling along, so it's not uncommon for me to have to make a couple of tries, especially when I'm single handing or have inexperienced crew.  I haven't decided the best way to do Med mooring in a wind or current with the anchor chain out.  I'm interested in what others do.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Oct 3, 2016, at 3:49 PM, jandrkennedy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Alexandre,

thanks for sharing your experiences and tips - I agree with docking in wind on my 38 - I used to have some fun with wind gusts.

It sound like sailing however is no problem either single handed of short handed - which I was trying to get a handle on.

In reverse - does the SM tend to go straight back or "screw sideways" with the prop?

Again thanks for your time and comments -

Jimbo - getting keener by the second!!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FW: Annapolis Boat Show

amelforme
 

Hello Vladimir and thank you for your kind invitation. Unfortunately, at 5:00 PM the evening before the show starts, I will be working feverishly on some last minute details that need sorting out before we greet prospects. It would be nice to enjoy your company and relax a little after some hectic days but it just won’t work out. If you go to the show, please stop by and say hello I will look forward to that.

 

Thanks again, Vladimir

 

All The Best, Joel

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Cc: Patrick and Diane McAneny ; Marina Burmaka
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FW: Annapolis Boat Show

 

 

Hi Joel,

We talked several times on the forum. My boat name is
"Life is Good" SM 345. I live in Edgewater. It is several miles South of Annapolis. We want to invite you to our house for BBQ on Wednesday October 5, at 5:00 PM.
Our friends  Patrick and Diane McAneny will also come. They have SM "Shenanigans".
Please let me know and I will send you my address.

Vladimir
202 258 1916

 

On Oct 3, 2016 14:25, "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Greetings Everyone. The Annapolis Sailboat Show begins this week. I will have a sweet  Amel 54 in the’ Brokerage Cove’  part of the show. It is a very pleasant water taxi ride, or a short walk from the main part of the show where the new boats are displayed. Any of you who are planning to attend are encouraged to stop by and say hello. As this will be a ‘target rich’ environment, I may not be able to break away from a hot prospect and chat as long as we would wish. If you can wait a few minutes if I am engaged, I’ll make time to catch up with what is going on in your life with your Amel.

 

Here’s hoping I’ll see some of you at the show.

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Jib Furler Failure--Ideas?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Excellent !!! Thanks so much Bill !

I have several more illustration to post, but had to deal with power failure, work, etc.

Good luck !!! Hope we meet one day!

Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 10/3/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Jib Furler Failure--Ideas?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, October 3, 2016, 5:26 PM


 









I have been channeling my “inner Alexandre” on
this project taking pictures as I go. I’ll post all once I
have the story written to go with them!
Bill

On Oct 3, 2016, at 18:12,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Wish I could help, but please
take picture to document it...

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 10/3/16,
Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] SM Jib Furler Failure--Ideas?
To: "James Wendell ms42phantom54@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday,
October 3, 2016, 3:49 PM


 









An update on my
jib fuler repairs and a request
for
help/suggestions/ideas…
I have removed the
rivets, and
the
bolts that attach the foil to the furler drive.  I have
lifted the foil
clear of the drive unit so the head stay is
exposed between the two.  So far
so good…  but I can not
get the upper part of the furler
drive unit to come off the
bottom of the foil.  I have
soaked it in penetrating oil,
hit it as hard as I dare.
 Heated it.  And then repeated
the above.  It is well and truly
stuck.  This is the part
that is riveted to the foil that
accepts the rope for manual
furling.
Any ideas, relevant
experiences
or
suggestions?

Bill KinneySM
#160, HarmonieAnnapolis, MD“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Sep 23, 2016, at 16:31,
Kent
Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

The aluminum rivets are
designed
to break
away if something stops the foil from turning.
 Stainless might
cause the foil to be damaged instead...a
very expensive repair.Kent
On Sep 23, 2016, at
12:44 PM,
lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 
Kent,   Monel is a wonderful
metal
but it is a
lot more noble than aluminum and can make a
strong galvanic couple.  I
wonder if stainless and lots of
Tef-gel might be a better
choice?
Best,
James AltonMaramu
#220, Sueno


Sent from Samsung tablet.
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"Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> Date:
9/23/16 17:24
(GMT+01:00)To: amelyachtowners@...:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
SM Jib Furler Failure.
 
I'll be back on Kristy
next
week.
 I'm pretty sure they are 1/4" X 3/4".
 I used aluminum
rivets, others have recommended Monel.
 There is at least one extensive
thread that should be easy
to find searching for
"rivets". If no one answers
affirmatively, I will check when
I get back aboard.

KentSM243Kristy
On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:10 AM,
Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 There are many things
connected
to the
bonding system that aren’t themselves being
protected from
corrosion by such a connection.  The bonding
connections are not
ONLY about corrosion protection by
connection to the rudder zinc.
In a boat where the
DC neutral
and
the bonding system are deliberately connected, it could
serve as a return
path to the battery in case of a leak from
the positive side of the DC
system to the case of the motor.
 I confess to not really having
a good understanding of the
logic in connecting things like
the bilge pump or the
freshwater pump to the bonding
circuit in an Amel.  It
certainly is not to protect them
from corrosion by
connecting them to the rudder
zinc.
By the way,
does anybody know
offhand the size of the rivets in
the furler?
Bill
KinneySM #160, HarmonieReedville, VA, Chesapeake Bay,
USA“Ships and
men
rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net




On Sep 22, 2016,
at 22:20, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

That makes sense, Bill.  Guess
I
was thinking of
sea water on furler, deck, hull all
interconnecting as if
submerged.
So the
furling motor is not
bonded to the zincs?  What about
the bow thruster?  If
have sworn they were both
connected via the yellow/green
wires.
I'll be back aboard next
week
and look
again.
KentSM
243Kristy
On Sep
22, 2016, at 7:56 PM, Bill
Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 
Kent,
Bonding would have no effect
on
corrosion
here. The zinc that is attached to the bonding
system has to be in
the same “body of water” as the
metals it is protecting.  In
this case the “body of
water” is the tiny little
puddle between the stainless
steel screws and the aluminum
plate. It is its own little
battery, and connections to the
rest of the boat are
immaterial. These stainless
screws seem to have been the
focal point for the corrosion on
my piece.  
Other than disassembling the
furler unit, this is
an easy fix.  The plate is just a
round piece of 1/4 inch aluminum
with four holes in it.  If
I was in a remote place, I could
make it on the boat with
hand tools.
While I have things apart, I
am
taking
Kent's suggestion and finding a local powder coat
shop to have
everything made pretty… hopefully for much
longer than paint.
Bill KinneySM
#160, HarmonieReedvile, VA, Chesapeake Bay,
USA“Ships and men
rot in port."http://fetchinketch.net




On Sep 22, 2016,
at 17:37, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
 
I don't know if the furler
on
Kristy is
connected.  Sure seems like it should
be...exposed to sea water,
dissimilar metals.  Wonder why
it wouldn't be?  Anybody
else know if their furler is
connected?
Kent

Kent
Robertsonkarkauai@...
voice/text
On Sep 22, 2016, at
5:02 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 Hello Kent,
None of the rigging on my SM
is
attached to
the bonding system.....
CheersAlanElyse SM437




















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Jib Furler Failure--Ideas?

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

I have been channeling my “inner Alexandre” on this project taking pictures as I go. I’ll post all once I have the story written to go with them!

Bill


On Oct 3, 2016, at 18:12, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Wish I could help, but please take picture to document it...

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 10/3/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Jib Furler Failure--Ideas?
To: "James Wendell ms42phantom54@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, October 3, 2016, 3:49 PM


 









An update on my
jib fuler repairs and a request for
help/suggestions/ideas…
I have removed the rivets, and
the bolts that attach the foil to the furler drive.  I have
lifted the foil clear of the drive unit so the head stay is
exposed between the two.  So far so good…  but I can not
get the upper part of the furler drive unit to come off the
bottom of the foil.  I have soaked it in penetrating oil,
hit it as hard as I dare.  Heated it.  And then repeated
the above.  It is well and truly stuck.  This is the part
that is riveted to the foil that accepts the rope for manual
furling.
Any ideas, relevant experiences
or suggestions?

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieAnnapolis, MD“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Sep 23, 2016, at 16:31, Kent
Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

The aluminum rivets are designed
to break away if something stops the foil from turning.
 Stainless might cause the foil to be damaged instead...a
very expensive repair.Kent
On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:44 PM,
lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 
Kent,   Monel is a wonderful metal
but it is a lot more noble than aluminum and can make a
strong galvanic couple.  I wonder if stainless and lots of
Tef-gel might be a better choice?
Best,
James AltonMaramu #220, Sueno


Sent from Samsung tablet.
-------- Original message
--------From:
"Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> Date: 9/23/16 17:24
(GMT+01:00)To: amelyachtowners@...: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
SM Jib Furler Failure.
 
I'll be back on Kristy next
week.  I'm pretty sure they are 1/4" X 3/4".
 I used aluminum rivets, others have recommended Monel.
 There is at least one extensive thread that should be easy
to find searching for "rivets". If no one answers
affirmatively, I will check when I get back aboard.

KentSM243Kristy
On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:10 AM,
Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 There are many things connected
to the bonding system that aren’t themselves being
protected from corrosion by such a connection.  The bonding
connections are not ONLY about corrosion protection by
connection to the rudder zinc.
In a boat where the DC neutral
and the bonding system are deliberately connected, it could
serve as a return path to the battery in case of a leak from
the positive side of the DC system to the case of the motor.
 I confess to not really having a good understanding of the
logic in connecting things like the bilge pump or the
freshwater pump to the bonding circuit in an Amel.  It
certainly is not to protect them from corrosion by
connecting them to the rudder zinc.
By the way, does anybody know
offhand the size of the rivets in the furler?
Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieReedville, VA, Chesapeake Bay,
USA“Ships and men
rot in port."http://fetchinketch.net




On Sep 22, 2016,
at 22:20, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

That makes sense, Bill.  Guess I
was thinking of sea water on furler, deck, hull all
interconnecting as if submerged.
So the furling motor is not
bonded to the zincs?  What about the bow thruster?  If
have sworn they were both connected via the yellow/green
wires.
I'll be back aboard next week
and look again.
KentSM 243Kristy
On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:56 PM, Bill
Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 
Kent,
Bonding would have no effect on
corrosion here. The zinc that is attached to the bonding
system has to be in the same “body of water” as the
metals it is protecting.  In this case the “body of
water” is the tiny little puddle between the stainless
steel screws and the aluminum plate. It is its own little
battery, and connections to the rest of the boat are
immaterial. These stainless screws seem to have been the
focal point for the corrosion on my piece.  
Other than disassembling the
furler unit, this is an easy fix.  The plate is just a
round piece of 1/4 inch aluminum with four holes in it.  If
I was in a remote place, I could make it on the boat with
hand tools.
While I have things apart, I am
taking Kent's suggestion and finding a local powder coat
shop to have everything made pretty… hopefully for much
longer than paint.
Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieReedvile, VA, Chesapeake Bay,
USA“Ships and men
rot in port."http://fetchinketch.net




On Sep 22, 2016,
at 17:37, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
 
I don't know if the furler on
Kristy is connected.  Sure seems like it should
be...exposed to sea water, dissimilar metals.  Wonder why
it wouldn't be?  Anybody else know if their furler is
connected?
Kent

Kent Robertsonkarkauai@...
voice/text
On Sep 22, 2016, at
5:02 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 Hello Kent,
None of the rigging on my SM is
attached to the bonding system.....
CheersAlanElyse SM437




















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Jib Furler Failure--Ideas?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Wish I could help, but please take picture to document it...

Sincerely, Alexandre


--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 10/3/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Jib Furler Failure--Ideas?
To: "James Wendell ms42phantom54@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, October 3, 2016, 3:49 PM


 









An update on my
jib fuler repairs and a request for
help/suggestions/ideas…
I have removed the rivets, and
the bolts that attach the foil to the furler drive.  I have
lifted the foil clear of the drive unit so the head stay is
exposed between the two.  So far so good…  but I can not
get the upper part of the furler drive unit to come off the
bottom of the foil.  I have soaked it in penetrating oil,
hit it as hard as I dare.  Heated it.  And then repeated
the above.  It is well and truly stuck.  This is the part
that is riveted to the foil that accepts the rope for manual
furling.
Any ideas, relevant experiences
or suggestions?

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieAnnapolis, MD“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Sep 23, 2016, at 16:31, Kent
Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

The aluminum rivets are designed
to break away if something stops the foil from turning.
 Stainless might cause the foil to be damaged instead...a
very expensive repair.Kent
On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:44 PM,
lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 
Kent,   Monel is a wonderful metal
but it is a lot more noble than aluminum and can make a
strong galvanic couple.  I wonder if stainless and lots of
Tef-gel might be a better choice?
Best,
James AltonMaramu #220, Sueno


Sent from Samsung tablet.
-------- Original message
--------From:
"Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> Date: 9/23/16 17:24
(GMT+01:00)To: amelyachtowners@...: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
SM Jib Furler Failure.
 
I'll be back on Kristy next
week.  I'm pretty sure they are 1/4" X 3/4".
 I used aluminum rivets, others have recommended Monel.
 There is at least one extensive thread that should be easy
to find searching for "rivets". If no one answers
affirmatively, I will check when I get back aboard.

KentSM243Kristy
On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:10 AM,
Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 There are many things connected
to the bonding system that aren’t themselves being
protected from corrosion by such a connection.  The bonding
connections are not ONLY about corrosion protection by
connection to the rudder zinc.
In a boat where the DC neutral
and the bonding system are deliberately connected, it could
serve as a return path to the battery in case of a leak from
the positive side of the DC system to the case of the motor.
 I confess to not really having a good understanding of the
logic in connecting things like the bilge pump or the
freshwater pump to the bonding circuit in an Amel.  It
certainly is not to protect them from corrosion by
connecting them to the rudder zinc.
By the way, does anybody know
offhand the size of the rivets in the furler?
Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieReedville, VA, Chesapeake Bay,
USA“Ships and men
rot in port."http://fetchinketch.net




On Sep 22, 2016,
at 22:20, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

That makes sense, Bill.  Guess I
was thinking of sea water on furler, deck, hull all
interconnecting as if submerged.
So the furling motor is not
bonded to the zincs?  What about the bow thruster?  If
have sworn they were both connected via the yellow/green
wires.
I'll be back aboard next week
and look again.
KentSM 243Kristy
On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:56 PM, Bill
Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 
Kent,
Bonding would have no effect on
corrosion here. The zinc that is attached to the bonding
system has to be in the same “body of water” as the
metals it is protecting.  In this case the “body of
water” is the tiny little puddle between the stainless
steel screws and the aluminum plate. It is its own little
battery, and connections to the rest of the boat are
immaterial. These stainless screws seem to have been the
focal point for the corrosion on my piece.  
Other than disassembling the
furler unit, this is an easy fix.  The plate is just a
round piece of 1/4 inch aluminum with four holes in it.  If
I was in a remote place, I could make it on the boat with
hand tools.
While I have things apart, I am
taking Kent's suggestion and finding a local powder coat
shop to have everything made pretty… hopefully for much
longer than paint.
Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieReedvile, VA, Chesapeake Bay,
USA“Ships and men
rot in port."http://fetchinketch.net




On Sep 22, 2016,
at 17:37, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
 
I don't know if the furler on
Kristy is connected.  Sure seems like it should
be...exposed to sea water, dissimilar metals.  Wonder why
it wouldn't be?  Anybody else know if their furler is
connected?
Kent

Kent Robertsonkarkauai@...
voice/text
On Sep 22, 2016, at
5:02 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

 Hello Kent,
None of the rigging on my SM is
attached to the bonding system.....
CheersAlanElyse SM437




















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Jib Furler Failure--Ideas?

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

An update on my jib fuler repairs and a request for help/suggestions/ideas…

I have removed the rivets, and the bolts that attach the foil to the furler drive.  I have lifted the foil clear of the drive unit so the head stay is exposed between the two.  So far so good…  but I can not get the upper part of the furler drive unit to come off the bottom of the foil.  I have soaked it in penetrating oil, hit it as hard as I dare.  Heated it.  And then repeated the above.  It is well and truly stuck.  This is the part that is riveted to the foil that accepts the rope for manual furling.

Any ideas, relevant experiences or suggestions?

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Sep 23, 2016, at 16:31, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


The aluminum rivets are designed to break away if something stops the foil from turning.  Stainless might cause the foil to be damaged instead...a very expensive repair.
Kent

On Sep 23, 2016, at 12:44 PM, lokiyawl2 lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,
   Monel is a wonderful metal but it is a lot more noble than aluminum and can make a strong galvanic couple.  I wonder if stainless and lots of Tef-gel might be a better choice?

Best,

James Alton
Maramu #220, Sueno



Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> 
Date: 9/23/16 17:24 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Jib Furler Failure.

 

I'll be back on Kristy next week.  I'm pretty sure they are 1/4" X 3/4".  I used aluminum rivets, others have recommended Monel.  There is at least one extensive thread that should be easy to find searching for "rivets". If no one answers affirmatively, I will check when I get back aboard.

Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:10 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

There are many things connected to the bonding system that aren’t themselves being protected from corrosion by such a connection.  The bonding connections are not ONLY about corrosion protection by connection to the rudder zinc.


In a boat where the DC neutral and the bonding system are deliberately connected, it could serve as a return path to the battery in case of a leak from the positive side of the DC system to the case of the motor.  I confess to not really having a good understanding of the logic in connecting things like the bilge pump or the freshwater pump to the bonding circuit in an Amel.  It certainly is not to protect them from corrosion by connecting them to the rudder zinc.

By the way, does anybody know offhand the size of the rivets in the furler?

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Reedville, VA, Chesapeake Bay, USA
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Sep 22, 2016, at 22:20, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


That makes sense, Bill.  Guess I was thinking of sea water on furler, deck, hull all interconnecting as if submerged.

So the furling motor is not bonded to the zincs?  What about the bow thruster?  If have sworn they were both connected via the yellow/green wires.

I'll be back aboard next week and look again.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:56 PM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

Bonding would have no effect on corrosion here. The zinc that is attached to the bonding system has to be in the same “body of water” as the metals it is protecting.  In this case the “body of water” is the tiny little puddle between the stainless steel screws and the aluminum plate. It is its own little battery, and connections to the rest of the boat are immaterial. These stainless screws seem to have been the focal point for the corrosion on my piece.  

Other than disassembling the furler unit, this is an easy fix.  The plate is just a round piece of 1/4 inch aluminum with four holes in it.  If I was in a remote place, I could make it on the boat with hand tools.

While I have things apart, I am taking Kent's suggestion and finding a local powder coat shop to have everything made pretty… hopefully for much longer than paint.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Reedvile, VA, Chesapeake Bay, USA
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Sep 22, 2016, at 17:37, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I don't know if the furler on Kristy is connected.  Sure seems like it should be...exposed to sea water, dissimilar metals.  Wonder why it wouldn't be?  Anybody else know if their furler is connected?

Kent

Kent Robertson
828-234-6819 voice/text

On Sep 22, 2016, at 5:02 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Kent,


None of the rigging on my SM is attached to the bonding system.....

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437












Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Advice on Singlehand for the SM or 40 footers

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Alex and Jimbo,

I’ve found reverse to be frustrating… almost as bad as a long keeler; she’ll go wherever she wants!!  But there are a few tricks:
1.   There is a bit of prop walk to port.
2. They are easy to steer in reverse if you count on the BT.  Best tip I got was to set the rudder angle at 0.. then lock your fanny on the wheel looking aft.  Use the BT to take you where you need to go.
3. I use the following rule for BT use: 2 seconds minimum wait between any application. 15 seconds maximum time generally.
4. If you use No 1 above, accelerate to about 2.5 K then go to neutral.  The rudder will bite and give you some control going astern.  You can then reselect reverse to keep your speed up.

Try to get some time in a quiet bay… see what works for you.

GL

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM007


On 3 Oct 2016, at 21:06, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Jimbo,

Always difficult for me to make short story…

I took my sailing classes in the US, from the ASA 101 to the 106, some like docking and advance navigation I took twice !!!
In the docking class, we did figure 8 going reverse, used the prop walk, etc.

When I received my boat in March 2013, I naturally went to the bay to practice what I had learnt.
If there was wind, it would push the bow away… and I never was able to do the figure 8 reverse…

Some people (don’t think it was from the forum) told me to go faster, but sorry, I am not going to dock at 5 kts…
I “think” it is because the propeller is further away from the rudder… not sure.
If Maramu or Mango owner don’t have this problem, this could confirm it.

About the prop walk, I never notices anything relevant (like I would during the classes).
I “think” this is because of the folding propeller, but it could also be because I don’t push hard enough the rpm to notice an effect.

Ho, one more thing I forgot about the bow thruster… do not motor with it down at more than 2.5 kt (I try to put 2 kt limit) as it will (in my opinion) bend the seal on the trunk, then slowly water will sip in.
And I am sure you read the owner manual, after you leave the harbour, lock the bow thruster.

Hope you become an owner!

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 10/3/16, jandrkennedy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Advice on Singlehand for the SM or 40 footers
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, October 3, 2016, 2:49 PM


 









Alexandre,thanks for sharing your
experiences and tips - I agree with docking in wind on my 38
- I used to have some fun with wind gusts.
It sound like sailing however is no
problem either single handed of short handed - which I was
trying to get a handle on.
In reverse - does the SM tend to go
straight back or "screw sideways" with the
prop?
Again thanks for
your time and comments -
Jimbo - getting keener by the
second!!



Posted by: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...>
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Advice on Singlehand for the SM or 40 footers

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Jimbo,

Always difficult for me to make short story…

I took my sailing classes in the US, from the ASA 101 to the 106, some like docking and advance navigation I took twice !!!
In the docking class, we did figure 8 going reverse, used the prop walk, etc.

When I received my boat in March 2013, I naturally went to the bay to practice what I had learnt.
If there was wind, it would push the bow away… and I never was able to do the figure 8 reverse…

Some people (don’t think it was from the forum) told me to go faster, but sorry, I am not going to dock at 5 kts…
I “think” it is because the propeller is further away from the rudder… not sure.
If Maramu or Mango owner don’t have this problem, this could confirm it.

About the prop walk, I never notices anything relevant (like I would during the classes).
I “think” this is because of the folding propeller, but it could also be because I don’t push hard enough the rpm to notice an effect.

Ho, one more thing I forgot about the bow thruster… do not motor with it down at more than 2.5 kt (I try to put 2 kt limit) as it will (in my opinion) bend the seal on the trunk, then slowly water will sip in.
And I am sure you read the owner manual, after you leave the harbour, lock the bow thruster.

Hope you become an owner!

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 10/3/16, jandrkennedy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Advice on Singlehand for the SM or 40 footers
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, October 3, 2016, 2:49 PM


 









Alexandre,thanks for sharing your
experiences and tips - I agree with docking in wind on my 38
- I used to have some fun with wind gusts.
It sound like sailing however is no
problem either single handed of short handed - which I was
trying to get a handle on.
In reverse - does the SM tend to go
straight back or "screw sideways" with the
prop?
Again thanks for
your time and comments -
Jimbo - getting keener by the
second!!


Re: Advice on Singlehand for the SM or 40 footers

jandrkennedy@...
 

Hi Colin - cheers for that I am going to have a little google on the Santorini - and see what is around - I get the feeling not as many of these built as the SM - but really encouraged by your comments.

Love to here from the new owner some time if you mention it to him - especially if he is coming to NZ.

Cheers and Thanks Jimbo


Re: Advice on Singlehand for the SM or 40 footers

jandrkennedy@...
 

Thanks Bill


Re: Advice on Singlehand for the SM or 40 footers

jandrkennedy@...
 

Alexandre,
thanks for sharing your experiences and tips - I agree with docking in wind on my 38 - I used to have some fun with wind gusts.

It sound like sailing however is no problem either single handed of short handed - which I was trying to get a handle on.

In reverse - does the SM tend to go straight back or "screw sideways" with the prop?

Again thanks for your time and comments -

Jimbo - getting keener by the second!!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FW: Annapolis Boat Show

Patrick McAneny
 

See you at the show. 

Pat and Diane
Shenanigans 
SM123
On G dock Bert Jabins Yacht Yard
Back Creek


On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:24 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Greetings Everyone. The Annapolis Sailboat Show begins this week. I will have a sweet  Amel 54 in the’ Brokerage Cove’  part of the show. It is a very pleasant water taxi ride, or a short walk from the main part of the show where the new boats are displayed. Any of you who are planning to attend are encouraged to stop by and say hello. As this will be a ‘target rich’ environment, I may not be able to break away from a hot prospect and chat as long as we would wish. If you can wait a few minutes if I am engaged, I’ll make time to catch up with what is going on in your life with your Amel.

 

Here’s hoping I’ll see some of you at the show.

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FW: Annapolis Boat Show

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Hi Joel,

We talked several times on the forum. My boat name is
"Life is Good" SM 345. I live in Edgewater. It is several miles South of Annapolis. We want to invite you to our house for BBQ on Wednesday October 5, at 5:00 PM.
Our friends  Patrick and Diane McAneny will also come. They have SM "Shenanigans".
Please let me know and I will send you my address.

Vladimir
202 258 1916


On Oct 3, 2016 14:25, "'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Greetings Everyone. The Annapolis Sailboat Show begins this week. I will have a sweet  Amel 54 in the’ Brokerage Cove’  part of the show. It is a very pleasant water taxi ride, or a short walk from the main part of the show where the new boats are displayed. Any of you who are planning to attend are encouraged to stop by and say hello. As this will be a ‘target rich’ environment, I may not be able to break away from a hot prospect and chat as long as we would wish. If you can wait a few minutes if I am engaged, I’ll make time to catch up with what is going on in your life with your Amel.

 

Here’s hoping I’ll see some of you at the show.

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell