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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown orafice
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
It is supposed to be there. The Amel badge on the port side covers the ventilation intake for the engine room. Your unknown orifice is there to drain any water that makes it way up and under the logo badge. Functionally the same as the drain holes in the bottom of a Dorade box on a traditional yacht.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
Pat,
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Yes, B&G isn’t an independent operation any more. They made great products, and had a great reputation, but were not big enough to keep up with the speed of changes in the field. Navico today uses the B&G brand to position their products into the sailboat market—especially the racers. That said, I have been happy with the Navico products, and with their customer support on the only time I needed to use it. I have used B&G autopilots and radar. Actually, the radar I used was a Simrad, but the only difference is the decal on the outside. I really liked the 3G radar. It was absolutely amazing on very close range, picking my way into a crowded anchorage on a moonless night wasn’t at all a problem. It was very good at distance targets. Not the best as a weather radar, but did well enough as a squall detector for us in the Pacific. I had no issue with the B&G autopilot computer after about 10,000 active sea miles. I very much liked the options for VMG optimization and the ability to steer to either true or apparent wind. Also, you can use it as in a “power steering mode” bypassing the cables if something should go wrong with your manual steering system. Way easier than an emergency tiller! All modern autopilots that I know of use the same control system to the drive train. A “clutch” relay to activate the drive, and then reversing voltage to drive the motor or pump and position the rudder. You can match the B&G computer to any manufacturer’s drive that you like. On my old boat I used a hydraulic unit made by Octopus. Worked well, but the pump was a bit noisy. As far as I know, Navico makes their own wind instruments, but all the speed and depth transducers come from Airmar, who also supplies Furuno, Garmin, and Raymarine with the exact same units, just with different connectors. Navico also outsources their autopilot drive units. I think your installer is giving you a story about Furuno being harder to install. With NMEA2000 networking everybody is pretty much interconnected the same way. If the Furuno system he’s talking about does NOT use NMEA2000, I wouldn’t have it. Too proprietary.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel Sloop
There is an older Amel in Cuacao that i'm told is for sale. Supposedly owned by a German. At anchor in Spanish Water. Sorry, I don't know what model she is. I don't see anything on the internet about it. Anyone know anything about Nirvana? Kent
On Jul 20, 2016, at 6:43 PM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
We saw Zanareva (from our dinghy) in the Solomons in 2014, and assumed from afar it was a Santorin sloop, only to be shocked upon seeing the non-Amel rigging on it. We assumed the poor thing had undergone a dismasting at some point. Nonetheless, the boat looked far from badly maintained at that time. Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2K N. 350 (2002) At anchor, Le Grazie
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Unknown orafice
Just to be clear it is OUTSIDE the cockpit on the super structure facing port about 1.5 inches above the deck. As I mentioned earlier it is directly below the letter "L" in they Amel logo Ben Driver La Bella Vita SM #347
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Re: Amel Sloop
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
We saw Zanareva (from our dinghy) in the Solomons in 2014, and assumed from afar it was a Santorin sloop, only to be shocked upon seeing the non-Amel rigging on it. We assumed the poor thing had undergone a dismasting at some point.
Nonetheless, the boat looked far from badly maintained at that time. Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2K N. 350 (2002) At anchor, Le Grazie
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original instruments
Warren Traill <trailz@...>
Hi John. Would it be ok to come up and see you again to go over your autopilot installation?
Cheers, Warren and Zetta Manon2 Sharki #15 0421282481 From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2016 4:39 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original instruments Pat, Furono used to be leaders in radar and sounders and are still very good butmore commercially focused these days and for recreational use others have caught up. Navico (B&G, Lowrance and Simrad) vs Raymarine is really the main choice and it's down to personal preference. Pluses for Navico are the 4G radar and the autopilots are good. (I believe Navico took over Robertson quite a while ago so that's their heritage.) B&G radar and autopilot computer are identical to Simrad. I don't think Navico do a rotary autopilot drive though so Raymarine might win there, although a Navico computer and control head should easily operate a Raymarine drive. Raymarine also has an arrangement with Apple making it easy to use wifi to use an ipad as a plotter repeater if you have a Raymarine plotter, although I think Navico can do that with an extra item. You should be abl e to convert to an N2K backbone to integrate B&G (or Simrad) with Raymarine but linking Simnet and SeatalkNG needs adaptors and thought. Although some information appears to be sharable between brands it may not all be, so it 's a bit of a minefield, such as getting the autopilot of one company to steer to the wind instrument of another company, or steer a route from another brand's plotter. If I was in your position I would probably go with all B&G as your mechanic suggests, unless the autopilot drive was a determining factor, but it is like choosing a brand of car you like, each has their fans, John, Maramu 91, Popeye (Furono radar, Raymarine St60 instuments, Simrad autopilot, Lowrance plotter) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Unknown orafice
Gentlemen, As a relatively new SM owner (Feb 15) I continue to find things which perplex me. The latest is an opening - a small 1/2 diameter hole on the port side of the cockpit. It is directly below the "L" in the Amel logo and approximately an I.5 inches up from deck. I'm not sure its purpose but it seems a lot of saltwater could enter in a bad sea or freshwater in heavy downpour. Maybe this previously had a fasterner for some purpose? Not sure. Can anyone enlighten me? Ben Driver La Bella Vita SM 347
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Re: Original instruments
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
SM2K N. 350 (2002) came from the factory with:
Icom --- SSB Furuno -radar/plotter/GPS/RD-30 multi-instrument at the nav station/VHF Raymarine -100% of instruments on deck, including autopilot controller Raytheon (Raymarine) autopilot computer and two Raymarine drives (rotary and piston) In 2013, we replaced it all with B&G, except the following which stayed Icom SSB stayed Furuno RD-30 multi-instrument stayed at nav station (shows the B&G sensor data) Raytheon (Raymarine) autopilot and drives stayed Plus, we added B&G autopilot and autopilot controller, AIS, and we now have two B&G chart plotter displays on deck and B&G chart plotter display at the nav station. If you have two autopilot computers (as we do), you absolutely need a rotary switch, identical to the factory Amel rotary switch for the two drives, to prevent both computers from trying to operate the drives at the same time. Works seamlessly. B&G lets you have a full display of the chart plotters on your iPad. Works perfectly, just as if you were in front of the chart plotter itself, except the autopilot command functionality is disabled (it will still display autopilot status, but won't obey autopilot commands from the iPad). B&G lets you engage the B&G autopilot from any B&G Triton instrument display or from the chartplotters. Spend the extra $150 or so and get a dedicated autopilot controller keypad anyway... rubber buttons are so much nicer than virtual buttons shown on a screen. Cheerio, Peregrinus La Spezia
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments
Patrick McAneny
Bill, I just exchanged emails with my mechanic and explained that I had reservations about B&G ,because they are not really B&G any longer. He told me no one is installing Furuno due to cost and complexity , and has a long list of customers with B&G installs. I have had good luck with Furuno and they have great tech support . Did you install B&G autopilot and radar as well ? Maybe theres not a dimes worth of difference between any of the manufacturers , but I don't know and have to decide by Monday who to go with, so appreciate your feedback.
Thanks much,
Pat SM#123
-----Original Message----- From: Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 5:25 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments Pat,
I am also upgrading the 20 year old instruments on my boat, and I chose to go with B&G instruments and displays mostly because I am familiar with the look and feel from previous boats. Note that these days B&G, Simrad, and Lawrence are all the same manufacturer: Navico.
I maintained a fleet of boats with Raymarine equipment, and wasn’t always happy with many of their equipment. To be fair, those boats were in charter service and weren’t always treated gently.
It is a VERY competitive business, and I very much doubt any of the mainstream manufacturers would disappoint you in terms of quality. Look closely at the current feature set offered by each of the manufacturers and pick the one that you like the best.
I think B&G tends to offer instruments with a feature set a bit more focused on the sailboat.
Technically speaking, in a modern NMEA2000 network, you should be able to mix and match instruments from different manufacturers. Practically speaking it is a bit more complex than that. Sometimes you can lose a bit of functionality doing mixing suppliers. For example, a B&G display might not be able to access all of the calibration routines in a Furuno mast head wind instrument.
It can be a bit of a moving target because the different suppliers can be on different upgrade cycles. Two years ago the Navico 4G radars I thought were marginally better than the other small boat units. Raymarine and Garmin just came out with new units that are arguably nicer. I am sure that will change again in a year or two.
Now that I have rambled a bit long… let me summarize by saying I think you’ll be really happy with the upgrade no matter which you select. The feature set of any instruments available today are lightyears ahead of what was installed on SM’s 20 years ago.
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Re: Battery questions
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
If one downloads the Mastervolt manual for their 85A gel battery, it specifies 13.8V float (≈27.6V in series).
At first blush, the Dolphin charger, if it floats at 27.2V, might not be compatible with Mastervolt gel batteries. Peregrinus SM2K No. 350 (2002) At anchor, Le Grazie
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Original instruments
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
Pat,
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I am also upgrading the 20 year old instruments on my boat, and I chose to go with B&G instruments and displays mostly because I am familiar with the look and feel from previous boats. Note that these days B&G, Simrad, and Lawrence are all the same manufacturer: Navico. I maintained a fleet of boats with Raymarine equipment, and wasn’t always happy with many of their equipment. To be fair, those boats were in charter service and weren’t always treated gently. It is a VERY competitive business, and I very much doubt any of the mainstream manufacturers would disappoint you in terms of quality. Look closely at the current feature set offered by each of the manufacturers and pick the one that you like the best. I think B&G tends to offer instruments with a feature set a bit more focused on the sailboat. Technically speaking, in a modern NMEA2000 network, you should be able to mix and match instruments from different manufacturers. Practically speaking it is a bit more complex than that. Sometimes you can lose a bit of functionality doing mixing suppliers. For example, a B&G display might not be able to access all of the calibration routines in a Furuno mast head wind instrument. It can be a bit of a moving target because the different suppliers can be on different upgrade cycles. Two years ago the Navico 4G radars I thought were marginally better than the other small boat units. Raymarine and Garmin just came out with new units that are arguably nicer. I am sure that will change again in a year or two. Now that I have rambled a bit long… let me summarize by saying I think you’ll be really happy with the upgrade no matter which you select. The feature set of any instruments available today are lightyears ahead of what was installed on SM’s 20 years ago.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery questions
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good afternoon Duane,
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I am not qualified to reply about how many batteries to changed (all or 4), and I am in the same situation (1 bad battery), I have heard both solutions, but on some partial changed I also heard of “explosion”. But regarding the setting on the Dolphin, I don’t have the documentation of the “Power First” in front of me, but on mine and on other, the “selector” (some round thing to turn) had to be on Position “7” for Gel batteries. Your owner manual should tell you which number. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico --------------------------------------------
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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery questions To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2016, 3:34 PM I just load tested the batteries and found Mastervolt Gel Cell batteries. 4 out of the 12 in the house bank have failed (see the link below). There was one pair that failed together, the other two are linked to good batteries. There wasn't a date on the batteries, so I have no idea how old they are, but I assume they are not original. I also have the Leece-Neville 175 amp alternator on the engine and there is no external regulator, so it's undercharging the batteries, but at least that's better than overcharging them. Maybe down the road I will install the external regulator. I also have the Dolphin 30A and 100A "Power First" chargers. The 7 page brochure I have notes Gel charging at 28.4V (boost) and 27.2V float and for wet batteries (i.e. "free") at 27.7V (boost) and 26.5V (float). However I don't see how you would switch the chargers from gel to wet or vice versa. The Xantrex Battery monitor shows the float voltage to be 27.19V. I have the charger turned off now, so later I'll check the boost voltage. Two questions for the group:1. Would you replace all twelve when four have failed?2. Is there more information on the Dolphin "Power First" 30A and 100A chargers? I can't find where you would select the type of battery being charged. 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Sloop
Stephen Davis
I think we saw this boat sitting in a marina in the Chesapeake as we were passing by. It made me do a double take, and was seriously ugly, as well as poorly maintained. Unless there are more than one of these, it had to be it. Couldn't give it to me. Steve Davis Aloha SM72 Grenada
On Jul 20, 2016, at 13:37, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Battery questions
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Duane, Since you do not know how old they are, Yes, replace all of them. If they were less than 2 years old, you might consider just replacing the failed ones. I strongly believe that you should replace them with lead or calcium Freedom style GP31 batteries...be careful of all of the dimensions, including the 2" rail under the lid, when buying new batteries. I viewed your uploaded file and I suggest that you've had some bad batteries for possibly months, and could have cooked your bank...luckily that did not happen. The bad batteries could have internal shorts which will cause any charger, including the 175 amp Leece-Neville with an internal charging regulator, to overcharge and cook the batteries. I do not have the same model of your Dolphin battery chargers, but have read that there is a very small screw selector switch that is sometimes hidden by a wire. Unfortunately the people who know this have not uploaded a photo, so that is all I can give you. Best, Bill BeBe 387 Trinidad
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sailor63109@...
Thank you Bill!
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sailor63109@...
Thank you very much for the offer Barry, but I think I've got it worked out.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Sloop
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Hi Bill,
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:-) We found the heat is reduced … marginally…. when the faux teak gets too tired to grip my soles, I’ll find a white product for the side decks. Today, I got some real hot “foot” while hot footing it barefoot in the Majorca sun… Cheers, Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007
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Battery questions
sailor63109@...
I just load tested the batteries and found Mastervolt Gel Cell batteries. 4 out of the 12 in the house bank have failed (see the link below). There was one pair that failed together, the other two are linked to good batteries. There wasn't a date on the batteries, so I have no idea how old they are, but I assume they are not original. I also have the Leece-Neville 175 amp alternator on the engine and there is no external regulator, so it's undercharging the batteries, but at least that's better than overcharging them. Maybe down the road I will install the external regulator. I also have the Dolphin 30A and 100A "Power First" chargers. The 7 page brochure I have notes Gel charging at 28.4V (boost) and 27.2V float and for wet batteries (i.e. "free") at 27.7V (boost) and 26.5V (float). However I don't see how you would switch the chargers from gel to wet or vice versa. The Xantrex Battery monitor shows the float voltage to be 27.19V. I have the charger turned off now, so later I'll check the boost voltage. Two questions for the group: 1. Would you replace all twelve when four have failed? 2. Is there more information on the Dolphin "Power First" 30A and 100A chargers? I can't find where you would select the type of battery being charged. Duane Wanderer SM #477 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/files/SV%20Wanderer/BatteryLoadTest.pdf
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Sloop
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
JP, I am sure it is not the only thing that we don't agree on...and I am sure that you are not the only one that disagrees with me. Last time I checked we were not running a contest here. BTW, I do agree with you on white deck stripes and since my brown needed freshening up, we now have white faux caulking between our faux teak boards on our faux teak deck, on our REAL Amel Super Maramu. Bill BeBe 387, but not for long Trinidad On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Sloop
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Hi Gang ,
I don’t fully agree with Bill R on this. We are not talking about a religion but a boat. One good thing to think about is the “bone standard” shaft drive. The rest is hohum!.. She’ll be cheap unless the “one born every minute” shows up. :-) JPG Eleuthera SM007
Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007 Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa, Pontoon M15,
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