Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time
Ian Park
Is your prop anti fouling Velox or Velux. Mine is Velux which I got in the Med. I am still using it and have never had any problem. Just wondering if it is a totally different product?
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Velox has work very well for over a year for me.
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But one month after arriving in San Juan, the propeller was covered of Barnacle… My neighbors explained to me it is notorious here, apparently due to a sugar released in the water from a plant?!? So in my opinion, it will depends where you are. In some places, nothing will help. I personally will apply Velox again (already bought the pain). Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 8/25/16, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Thursday, August 25, 2016, 6:56 AM Hello Pat, I have the same problem regarding the Velox… less than 10 hours after application, it had vanished…. Jean-Pierre Germain,SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007 On 25 Aug 2016, at 13:44, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Duane, If your boat is in fresh or brackish water and will remain in it for more than a day or so before going into salt water , make sure the paint you select is compatible with fresh water. Some paints cannot be in fresh water longer , or its antifouling properties are destroyed. I almost made this mistake but was saved by a yard employee. I called and confirmed this with the paint manufacturer. I would never have thought it mattered what kind of water one is in. I do not know if this is true for Velox prop paint , but I applied three coats three months ago and just hauled my boat. My prop was covered with barnacles , I wasted about $130 and a lot of time/work .I wrote a long email to their rep. for an explaination and never heard back . Pat SM#123 -----Original Message----- From: sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 7:02 pm Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time I'd like your opinion on how many coats of bottom paint to use. We plan on heading into the eastern Caribbean on November 1 and we plan on pulling the boat now for bottom paint, C-Drive, prop and bow thruster maintenance. I hadn't thought about more than one coat, but it is something the marine center offers so I wondered... A little history: In Feb 2015 my boat had a bottom job that included sanding to remove all for a start-over on the bottom, 1 coat of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat, fairing, and then 3 coats of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat and two coats of Seahawk CuKote bottom paint. Seaawk CuKote is advertised as a multi-season paint. Based on two coats 18 months ago I'm thinking one coat now would set me up for at least a year or more. I'm assuming when we pull the boat all is well with the bottom. Would your experience dictate more than one coat? 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time
Patrick McAneny
Jean-Pierre, Mine did not vanish, the prop is still fully coated with paint. I completely sanded the prop, applied two coats of primer and three coats of paint . My problem is that it did not work, I have never had such severe barnacle growth before., they love the stuff.
Pat -----Original Message----- From: Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Thu, Aug 25, 2016 7:57 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time Hello Pat,
I have the same problem regarding the Velox… less than 10 hours after application, it had vanished….
Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Hello Pat,
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I have the same problem regarding the Velox… less than 10 hours after application, it had vanished…. Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time
Patrick McAneny
Duane, If your boat is in fresh or brackish water and will remain in it for more than a day or so before going into salt water , make sure the paint you select is compatible with fresh water. Some paints cannot be in fresh water longer , or its antifouling properties are destroyed. I almost made this mistake but was saved by a yard employee. I called and confirmed this with the paint manufacturer. I would never have thought it mattered what kind of water one is in.
I do not know if this is true for Velox prop paint , but I applied three coats three months ago and just hauled my boat. My prop was covered with barnacles , I wasted about $130 and a lot of time/work .I wrote a long email to their rep. for an explaination and never heard back .
Pat SM#123 -----Original Message----- From: sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 7:02 pm Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time I'd like your opinion on how many coats of bottom paint to use. We plan on heading into the eastern Caribbean on November 1 and we plan on pulling the boat now for bottom paint, C-Drive, prop and bow thruster maintenance. I hadn't thought about more than one coat, but it is something the marine center offers so I wondered...
A little history:
In Feb 2015 my boat had a bottom job that included sanding to remove all for a start-over on the bottom, 1 coat of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat, fairing, and then 3 coats of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat and two coats of Seahawk CuKote bottom paint.
Seaawk CuKote is advertised as a multi-season paint. Based on two coats 18 months ago I'm thinking one coat now would set me up for at least a year or more.
I'm assuming when we pull the boat all is well with the bottom.
Would your experience dictate more than one coat?
Duane
SM#477 Wanderer
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time
Alexandre Uster von Baar
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I have only own my vessel for 4 years, but at each haul out I had 2 coats put on, plus a 3rd at the water line. Last time, March 2015, I actually had put 2 different colors: first red, then blue and I really like that as it helps me monitor the progress. 17 months later, I can see the leading edge (hull, keel and rudder) are the first to show the red paint. Note: (and I could tell a story about that) Supervise and make sure when they paint your hull that they move the stands and not paint around them, simply adding a coat before putting you back in the water. Note: based on the previous owner experience I paint the propeller of the bow thruster with “white” antifouling, so in the case I loose one (happened only once), it will be easier to find. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/24/16, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2016, 6:02 PM I'd like your opinion on how many coats of bottom paint to use. We plan on heading into the eastern Caribbean on November 1 and we plan on pulling the boat now for bottom paint, C-Drive, prop and bow thruster maintenance. I hadn't thought about more than one coat, but it is something the marine center offers so I wondered... A little history: In Feb 2015 my boat had a bottom job that included sanding to remove all for a start-over on the bottom, 1 coat of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat, fairing, and then 3 coats of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat and two coats of Seahawk CuKote bottom paint. Seaawk CuKote is advertised as a multi-season paint. Based on two coats 18 months ago I'm thinking one coat now would set me up for at least a year or more. I'm assuming when we pull the boat all is well with the bottom. Would your experience dictate more than one coat? 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Re: Bottom Paint time
We're not in the Caribbean but in the Pacific.
We used Seahawk Cukote in 2014 before heading to Tahiti, it seemed to be OK until we arrived in New Zealand. After 3 months in the marina at gulf harbour we had a vegetable garden growing underneath, neighbouring boats didn't have this issue. The Seahawk dealer didn't want to know about my fouling issues. I since learnt that the executives of the company that makes Seahawk products were prosecuted (jailed?) for continuing to sell tin based paints in the US when they declared to the FDA that they had stopped. We since changed to Micron 77 ( I used micron 66 on my previous boat for years with excellent results except for one year which I believe was due to the painter adding thinners to the antifouling - Bill, Bebe knows all about that!) and it seems to be good. My two penny worth..... Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 Koumac, New Caledonia |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bottom Paint time
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
Duane,
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CuKote is an ablative paint. It is a bit simplistic to say with that kind of paint the more you put on the longer it lasts, but that is pretty much true. A second coat of paint is not a big expense--compared to the cost of a haul out. Postponing your next haulout by 6 months pretty much pays for the extra coat of paint. In my mind the economics suggest an extra coat is a good idea. Also the manufacturer’s instructions specifiy using two coats. That’s what they base the life span predictions on, so it is what I would do. If you were to have a paint failure, and didn’t follow instructions, they would be unlikely to feel the need to make you happy. Boatyards pretty much always quote “one coat” to keep the coast of the job down. A yard quoting two coat jobs would lose a lot of business. With any ablative paint, I do two coats, with a third along the waterline and leading edges of keel and rudder or rudder skeg.
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Bottom Paint time
sailor63109@...
I'd like your opinion on how many coats of bottom paint to use. We plan on heading into the eastern Caribbean on November 1 and we plan on pulling the boat now for bottom paint, C-Drive, prop and bow thruster maintenance. I hadn't thought about more than one coat, but it is something the marine center offers so I wondered...
A little history: In Feb 2015 my boat had a bottom job that included sanding to remove all for a start-over on the bottom, 1 coat of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat, fairing, and then 3 coats of Seahawk Tuff Stuff Barrier Coat and two coats of Seahawk CuKote bottom paint. Seaawk CuKote is advertised as a multi-season paint. Based on two coats 18 months ago I'm thinking one coat now would set me up for at least a year or more. I'm assuming when we pull the boat all is well with the bottom. Would your experience dictate more than one coat? Duane SM#477 Wanderer |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster Vibration
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Pat don't you know it's not a good idea to go rockbass fishing with your bow thruster😃 Fair Winds Smooth Sailing Capt Richard Piller Newport RI Cell 603 767 5330 On Aug 24, 2016, at 08:28, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster Vibration
Patrick McAneny
Bill, No , It came with the boat and have always assumed it came from Amel. Looked and fit well.
Pat -----Original Message----- From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 8:43 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster Vibration Pat,
I suspected this was the source. I have seen two different non-Amel made fiberglass bow thruster propellers and I am aware of a third made of aluminum.
I saw each of the non-Amel made fiberglass propellers lose a blade for no obvious reasons.
Do you know the origin of your propeller?
Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387 Sent from my tablet +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail On Aug 24, 2016 7:28 AM, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster Vibration
Alexandre Uster von Baar
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Thanks for letting us know… Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/24/16, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster Vibration To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2016, 7:28 AM I promised I would post when I determined the source of the vibration in my bow thruster. It turns out that one of the blades on the prop was completely broken off at the hub. I have no idea how it happened , I had only employed the thruster for a few seconds , twice ,since launching the boat this spring and that was after servicing the thruster. I don't recall any noise like hitting something , puzzled. Where it broke the fiberglass is about an inch thick , it would have to take a lot of force , strange that the screws did not break first. The force even bent the stainless pin and the pin elongated the hole in the hub a 1/4 ". Once again , I am amazed that the screws did not break first.Pat SM Shenanigans #123 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster Vibration
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Pat, I suspected this was the source. I have seen two different non-Amel made fiberglass bow thruster propellers and I am aware of a third made of aluminum. I saw each of the non-Amel made fiberglass propellers lose a blade for no obvious reasons. Do you know the origin of your propeller? Bill Rouse On Aug 24, 2016 7:28 AM, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul out parts from Amel
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
I am certain that it is a typo. screws = typo. Bill Rouse On Aug 24, 2016 6:26 AM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Bow thruster Vibration
Patrick McAneny
I promised I would post when I determined the source of the vibration in my bow thruster. It turns out that one of the blades on the prop was completely broken off at the hub. I have no idea how it happened , I had only employed the thruster for a few seconds , twice ,since launching the boat this spring and that was after servicing the thruster. I don't recall any noise like hitting something , puzzled. Where it broke the fiberglass is about an inch thick , it would have to take a lot of force , strange that the screws did not break first. The force even bent the stainless pin and the pin elongated the hole in the hub a 1/4 ". Once again , I am amazed that the screws did not break first. Pat SM Shenanigans #123 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Haul out parts from Amel
Andrew & Kate Lamb
I wonder if that was meant to read
Bronze prop shaft bushing and seals (not Bronze prop shaft and screws) – i.e. for the C-Drive
Andrew
Ronpische SM 472
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"amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
I asked for a list of parts from Amel to service the Bow Thruster and C-Drive. I also asked that they let me know if there was something else commonly ordered for that service. Maud's response is below. Is the third item (Bronze prop shaft and screws) for the Bow Thruster needed?
-Set of seals for the bowthruster including 3 foam seals, 1 lip seal for the shaft and 1 lip seal for the lower unit: 51.69 euros without taxes and without transport.
-Complete bowthruster propeller: 232.93 euros without taxes and without transport. The propeller is already fitted with the hub and nylon screws. Please tell me if you need extra hub and screws as they can be sold separately.
-Bronze prop shaft and screws: 167.80 euros without taxes and without transport.
-Set of 2 seals for transmission oil drain plug: 3.15 euros without taxes and without transport.
Thanks, Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Haul out parts from Amel
sailor63109@...
I asked for a list of parts from Amel to service the Bow Thruster and C-Drive. I also asked that they let me know if there was something else commonly ordered for that service. Maud's response is below. Is the third item (Bronze prop shaft and screws) for the Bow Thruster needed? -Set of seals for the bowthruster including 3 foam seals, 1 lip seal for the shaft and 1 lip seal for the lower unit: 51.69 euros without taxes and without transport.
-Complete bowthruster propeller: 232.93 euros without taxes and without transport. The propeller is already fitted with the hub and nylon screws. Please tell me if you need extra hub and screws as they can be sold separately.
-Bronze prop shaft and screws: 167.80 euros without taxes and without transport.
-Set of 2 seals for transmission oil drain plug: 3.15 euros without taxes and without transport. Thanks, Duane Wanderer, SM#477 |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins 4236 Anodes
Peter Buckley <carhartt@...>
Hi Pat, Thanks for the information. All good now. I have stopped looking. Regards Pete Gradiva Mango #70 Raymond Island Australia -- Peter Buckley 83 Twelfth Avenue Raymond Island VIC 3880 Phone: 0428 427 786 Email: carhartt@... From: "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 08:29:48 -0400 To: <amelyachtowners@...> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins 4236 Anodes Peter, I have a Volvo TMD 22a (Perkins) and it does not have an anode. Pat SM#123 -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2016 1:57 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins 4236 Anodes Peter, I can not speak specifically to your engine, but not every engine was designed with anodes. Some freshwater cooled Volvos, for example, don't use them. If a search of the owners manual and shop manual turn up no references to anodes, you might not have them. Bill Kinney Harmonie, SM160 Narragansett Bay, RI On Aug 22, 2016, at 10:25, Peter Buckley carhartt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] rubber Rub Rail gutter
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
18 months ago in Fort Lauderdale we only polished (and re-touched a couple of spots) in the brown rubrail.
The silver accent in the middle, however, was falling apart. With great effort, it was entirely removed and new tape silver tape was installed. The new tape looks as good today as it did then. It is shiny in daylight but not reflective at night; it would be better if it were. Here are the specs: Maker: Universal Products (Goddard, Kansas) Brand: TFX Professional Striping Systems Width: 1 inch Color: Ult. Mt. Silver (UM Silver) Exterior Durability: "5 to 7 years" Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2K N. 350 (2002) At anchor, Golfo Aranci, Olbia - Sardinia |
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Great technical resource for Perkins and Hurth
greatketch@...
This might be old news for many of you who have been maintaining Perkins engines and Hurth transmissions for years, but for anybody else for whom it can help, here is a great technical and parts resource for these machines that was new to me: Dr. Diesel's Tech Tips | Foley Engines I know a fair bit about diesel engines, but learned a lot more just browsing through their website's tips. They were also quick to get me a new oil cooler for my transmission. Bill Kinney Harmonie, SM#160 Narragansett Bay, RI |
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