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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Stephen Davis
 

Sorry to hear about the eye. Hope all turns out well. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Grenada

On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:58, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill.
If you can furl manually with a line, the rivets are intact.  If the pin is engaged, but the motor doesn't turn the foil, you must have a failure in the gear box.  If it is "wobbly", that confirms that a gear or bearing is out of place.  What did you ("they") do to repair it last year?
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Curacao with a detached retina and emergent eye surgery a few days ago.  Was lucky to be here, the only retinal surgeon within hundreds of miles is here.  Won't know how much vision I'll have in R eye for at least a few months.  Gives a person pause to see how vulnerable we are in remote places.


On Jul 17, 2016, at 9:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

One more guess...

Maybe the worm gear inside the furler mechanism is somehow binding. I would guess that if this happened the motor would shear. Possibly a bearing or bushing has caused the gears to get out of alignment and they occasionally bind.

I think after you check the obvious, this is next on your list.

Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:
  1. That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
  2. Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.
I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey everyone-


I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments? 


Many thanks, 


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

karkauai
 

Hi Bill.
If you can furl manually with a line, the rivets are intact.  If the pin is engaged, but the motor doesn't turn the foil, you must have a failure in the gear box.  If it is "wobbly", that confirms that a gear or bearing is out of place.  What did you ("they") do to repair it last year?
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Curacao with a detached retina and emergent eye surgery a few days ago.  Was lucky to be here, the only retinal surgeon within hundreds of miles is here.  Won't know how much vision I'll have in R eye for at least a few months.  Gives a person pause to see how vulnerable we are in remote places.


On Jul 17, 2016, at 9:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

One more guess...

Maybe the worm gear inside the furler mechanism is somehow binding. I would guess that if this happened the motor would shear. Possibly a bearing or bushing has caused the gears to get out of alignment and they occasionally bind.

I think after you check the obvious, this is next on your list.

Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:
  1. That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
  2. Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.
I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey everyone-


I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments? 


Many thanks, 


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

william_maffei@...
 

Okay, so I looked at it further and it looks like it is working. It is wobbly as all hell but the bolts have not sheared off. The furling motor is fine. The rivets do look a little loose but I am at a loss as to why it would just completely unfurl while the pin was engaged yesterday and now it works "okay". Some work definitely needs to be done but I am not sure. The head sail is tight but the foil wobbles when rolling in under power. Thoughts?

Bill Maffei
SM #195 
It's all Good 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill,

One more guess...

Maybe the worm gear inside the furler mechanism is somehow binding. I would guess that if this happened the motor would shear. Possibly a bearing or bushing has caused the gears to get out of alignment and they occasionally bind.

I think after you check the obvious, this is next on your list.

Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:
  1. That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
  2. Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.
I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey everyone-


I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments? 


Many thanks, 


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Could it be the rivet?

Here is how mine look before i change them:
http://nikimat.com/genoa_furler_rivet.html

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico



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On Sun, 7/17/16, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, July 17, 2016, 8:07 AM


 









Hey everyone-
I have not look into this
yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor
sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while
locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same
thing happen less than 1 year after it was
"fixed". I actually furled into the wind under
light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the
cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused
and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime
in with suggestions or comments? 
Many
thanks, 
Bill
MaffeiSM
#195It's all Good 









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:
  1. That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
  2. Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.
I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hey everyone-


I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments? 


Many thanks, 


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 



Head sail furling

william_maffei@...
 

Hey everyone-


I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments? 


Many thanks, 


Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Neils, 
yes the relay is related to the red lamp
maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to be the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.
I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.
Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands  the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.
Good luck
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

niels.hauerslev@...
 

Thanks Bill and Alan, you are very kind to send the pictures.
Please look at the pictures I just posted, in the photos section (did I do it right?).
In my Amel manual, this alternator that is in my engine room, looks just the same...I am not sure if my boat was "born" with this alternator after all...I believe it may be original...
Any idea the brand / model of this one, the sticker is worn and not readable.
I measured all the cables, no fault, I have a new relay to try instead of the old one on the engine, - is this replay related to the red lamp?
Thank you so much.
Niels


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

Stephen Davis
 

I do... Hence rh rotation. 

Steve

On Jul 16, 2016, at 08:58, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Steve,


Thanks… had Maxprops in the past.  Should not be a big event returning it to LH.

IIRC, you have a Yanmar?? 

JP



On 16 Jul 2016, at 14:48, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi JP,

Get on the PYI website, and they have a very simple video on how to determine your rotation. Mine is right hand. As you take the max prop apart, look at the 2 sets of letters carefully so you know how to get it back together. If you have any issues, contact PYI. They are very helpful. Also, after you have the blades off, you can remove the hub with a generic 3 arm gear puller. We did not need a special prop puller. 

Good luck on the project. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
Grenada


On Jul 16, 2016, at 00:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Gang,


We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...


First question: what is the direction of rotation?


Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand?  Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?


Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM 007




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Steve,

Thanks… had Maxprops in the past.  Should not be a big event returning it to LH.

IIRC, you have a Yanmar?? 

JP



On 16 Jul 2016, at 14:48, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi JP,

Get on the PYI website, and they have a very simple video on how to determine your rotation. Mine is right hand. As you take the max prop apart, look at the 2 sets of letters carefully so you know how to get it back together. If you have any issues, contact PYI. They are very helpful. Also, after you have the blades off, you can remove the hub with a generic 3 arm gear puller. We did not need a special prop puller. 

Good luck on the project. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
Grenada


On Jul 16, 2016, at 00:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Gang,


We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...


First question: what is the direction of rotation?


Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand?  Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?


Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM 007




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

Stephen Davis
 

Hi JP,

Get on the PYI website, and they have a very simple video on how to determine your rotation. Mine is right hand. As you take the max prop apart, look at the 2 sets of letters carefully so you know how to get it back together. If you have any issues, contact PYI. They are very helpful. Also, after you have the blades off, you can remove the hub with a generic 3 arm gear puller. We did not need a special prop puller. 

Good luck on the project. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
Grenada


On Jul 16, 2016, at 00:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Gang,


We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...


First question: what is the direction of rotation?


Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand?  Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?


Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM 007


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boom track bolts

karkauai
 

Hi Eamonn,  the one I got out of the mizzen track was 6mm 25mm long.
Kent


On Jul 16, 2016, at 7:49 AM, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

I was recently told that the bolts are probably:  M8 x 50mm and M6 x 50mm countersunk aluminium bolts.

I will order these and try in September.  If I don't correct this post by October, then that it what is required.

Thanks for trying Kirsty!

Eamonn

#151 SM Travel Bug
Cleopatra Marina, Greece


Re: Boom track bolts

eamonn.washington@...
 

Hi

I was recently told that the bolts are probably:  M8 x 50mm and M6 x 50mm countersunk aluminium bolts.

I will order these and try in September.  If I don't correct this post by October, then that it what is required.

Thanks for trying Kirsty!

Eamonn

#151 SM Travel Bug
Cleopatra Marina, Greece


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Odd things can happen with a non-fixed pitch prop.  On my old boat I wrapped a line on my Maxprop while docking. When I put the gear shift in reverse the boat went backwards.  When I put it in forward the boat went… backwards!  Exciting times.

Re-pitching a Maxprop can be done in the water, but it is a very difficult job.  A good idea is to spread a fine mesh net underneath to catch the parts you will drop.
.


On Jul 16, 2016, at 07:10, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Bill K,


Thanks for the info… to my  surprise, when placing the lever in forward while exiting the suspension straps, the boat moved aft.  Moved the lever aft and she moved ahead.  Reversed the cables on the Morse and problem fixed enough to go to the berth safely.

Now I have to fix the problem afloat…. Humm!

FYI, Olivier told me to set the pitch at 22 degrees and explained that boats with tired engines often opted to  set 20 degrees,,, FWIW.

Cheers and fair winds,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
Eleuthera SM 007


On 16 Jul 2016, at 12:58, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

It matters greatly the direction of rotation. Although the propeller will push the boat either way, if you stop the engine while the prop is turning in reverse, it will not feather.  This is the way you could use the Maxprop to drive  a shaft alternator.  If you assemble it backwards, the only way to get it to feather would be to stop the engine while in reverse gear.  Annoying, at best.


The notes in our documentation say that the prop should be set to 20 degrees pitch, left rotating. 

If this is your first time putting a Maxprop back together expect to take more than one try. It’s not hard, but it does require careful attention to detail to make sure everything goes together the right way.  Follow instructions exactly!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 16, 2016, at 00:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello Gang,


We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...


First question: what is the direction of rotation?


Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand?  Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?


Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM 007








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Bill K,

Thanks for the info… to my  surprise, when placing the lever in forward while exiting the suspension straps, the boat moved aft.  Moved the lever aft and she moved ahead.  Reversed the cables on the Morse and problem fixed enough to go to the berth safely.

Now I have to fix the problem afloat…. Humm!

FYI, Olivier told me to set the pitch at 22 degrees and explained that boats with tired engines often opted to  set 20 degrees,,, FWIW.

Cheers and fair winds,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
Eleuthera SM 007


On 16 Jul 2016, at 12:58, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

It matters greatly the direction of rotation. Although the propeller will push the boat either way, if you stop the engine while the prop is turning in reverse, it will not feather.  This is the way you could use the Maxprop to drive  a shaft alternator.  If you assemble it backwards, the only way to get it to feather would be to stop the engine while in reverse gear.  Annoying, at best.


The notes in our documentation say that the prop should be set to 20 degrees pitch, left rotating. 

If this is your first time putting a Maxprop back together expect to take more than one try. It’s not hard, but it does require careful attention to detail to make sure everything goes together the right way.  Follow instructions exactly!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 16, 2016, at 00:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello Gang,


We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...


First question: what is the direction of rotation?


Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand?  Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?


Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM 007






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

It matters greatly the direction of rotation. Although the propeller will push the boat either way, if you stop the engine while the prop is turning in reverse, it will not feather.  This is the way you could use the Maxprop to drive  a shaft alternator.  If you assemble it backwards, the only way to get it to feather would be to stop the engine while in reverse gear.  Annoying, at best.

The notes in our documentation say that the prop should be set to 20 degrees pitch, left rotating. 

If this is your first time putting a Maxprop back together expect to take more than one try. It’s not hard, but it does require careful attention to detail to make sure everything goes together the right way.  Follow instructions exactly!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Jul 16, 2016, at 00:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello Gang,


We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...


First question: what is the direction of rotation?


Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand?  Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?


Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM 007




Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

jgermain@...
 

Hello Gang,


We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...


First question: what is the direction of rotation?


Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand?  Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?


Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM 007


Re: sheets for Maramu

John Clark
 

Yes I think this is the same boat.  I once looked at it a few years ago...the price was eye catching...


She has a sad story attached to it.  The last owner, who christened her Papa II was apparently a pretty great guy who died too soon.

Remembering Captain Dan

 




Re: Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

John Clark
 

Congratulations on the purchase Niels,

Bigouz looks like a very fine vessel...I had it on my "short list,"  I guess I was too slow for you speedy Danes!   ;)

                     Regards,  John