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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Stephen Davis

#28044

Sorry to hear about the eye. Hope all turns out well.

Steve Davis

Aloha SM 72

Grenada

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On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:58, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Bill.
If you can furl manually with a line, the rivets are intact. If the pin is engaged, but the motor doesn't turn the foil, you must have a failure in the gear box. If it is "wobbly", that confirms that a gear or bearing is out of place. What did you ("they") do to repair it last year?
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Curacao with a detached retina and emergent eye surgery a few days ago. Was lucky to be here, the only retinal surgeon within hundreds of miles is here. Won't know how much vision I'll have in R eye for at least a few months. Gives a person pause to see how vulnerable we are in remote places.

On Jul 17, 2016, at 9:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill,

One more guess...

Maybe the worm gear inside the furler mechanism is somehow binding. I would guess that if this happened the motor would shear. Possibly a bearing or bushing has caused the gears to get out of alignment and they occasionally bind.

I think after you check the obvious, this is next on your list.

Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:
That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.
I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hey everyone-

I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments?

Many thanks,

Bill Maffei
SM #195
It's all Good

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

karkauai

#28043

Hi Bill.

If you can furl manually with a line, the rivets are intact. If the pin is engaged, but the motor doesn't turn the foil, you must have a failure in the gear box. If it is "wobbly", that confirms that a gear or bearing is out of place. What did you ("they") do to repair it last year?

Kent

SM243

Kristy

Curacao with a detached retina and emergent eye surgery a few days ago. Was lucky to be here, the only retinal surgeon within hundreds of miles is here. Won't know how much vision I'll have in R eye for at least a few months. Gives a person pause to see how vulnerable we are in remote places.

On Jul 17, 2016, at 9:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

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Bill,

One more guess...

Maybe the worm gear inside the furler mechanism is somehow binding. I would guess that if this happened the motor would shear. Possibly a bearing or bushing has caused the gears to get out of alignment and they occasionally bind.

I think after you check the obvious, this is next on your list.

Bill
BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:
That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.
I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hey everyone-

I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments?

Many thanks,

Bill Maffei
SM #195
It's all Good

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

william_maffei@...

#28042

Okay, so I looked at it further and it looks like it is working. It is wobbly as all hell but the bolts have not sheared off. The furling motor is fine. The rivets do look a little loose but I am at a loss as to why it would just completely unfurl while the pin was engaged yesterday and now it works "okay". Some work definitely needs to be done but I am not sure. The head sail is tight but the foil wobbles when rolling in under power. Thoughts?

Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#28041

Bill,

One more guess...

Maybe the worm gear inside the furler mechanism is somehow binding. I would guess that if this happened the motor would shear. Possibly a bearing or bushing has caused the gears to get out of alignment and they occasionally bind.

I think after you check the obvious, this is next on your list.

Bill

BeBe 387

Trinidad

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On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:
That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.
I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hey everyone-

I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments?

Many thanks,

Bill Maffei
SM #195
It's all Good

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#28040

Could it be the rivet?

Here is how mine look before i change them:
http://nikimat.com/genoa_furler_rivet.html

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Sun, 7/17/16, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling
 To: amelyachtowners@...
 Date: Sunday, July 17, 2016, 8:07 AM


  









       Hey everyone-
 I have not look into this
 yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor
 sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while
 locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same
 thing happen less than 1 year after it was
 "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under
 light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the
 cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused
 and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime
 in with suggestions or comments? 
 Many
 thanks, 
 Bill
 MaffeiSM
 #195It's all Good 




     




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#28039

I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:

That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.

I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill

BeBe 387

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On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hey everyone-

I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments?

Many thanks,

Bill Maffei
SM #195
It's all Good

Head sail furling

william_maffei@...

#28038

Hey everyone-

I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments?

Many thanks,

Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

Alan Leslie

#28037

Hi Neils,

yes the relay is related to the red lamp

maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to be the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.

I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.

Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.

Good luck

Alan

Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

niels.hauerslev@...

#28036

Thanks Bill and Alan, you are very kind to send the pictures.

Please look at the pictures I just posted, in the photos section (did I do it right?).

In my Amel manual, this alternator that is in my engine room, looks just the same...I am not sure if my boat was "born" with this alternator after all...I believe it may be original...

Any idea the brand / model of this one, the sticker is worn and not readable.

I measured all the cables, no fault, I have a new relay to try instead of the old one on the engine, - is this replay related to the red lamp?

Thank you so much.

Niels

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

Stephen Davis

#28035

I do... Hence rh rotation.

Steve

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On Jul 16, 2016, at 08:58, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Thanks… had Maxprops in the past. Should not be a big event returning it to LH.

IIRC, you have a Yanmar??

JP

On 16 Jul 2016, at 14:48, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi JP,

Get on the PYI website, and they have a very simple video on how to determine your rotation. Mine is right hand. As you take the max prop apart, look at the 2 sets of letters carefully so you know how to get it back together. If you have any issues, contact PYI. They are very helpful. Also, after you have the blades off, you can remove the hub with a generic 3 arm gear puller. We did not need a special prop puller.

Good luck on the project.

Steve
Aloha SM72
Grenada

On Jul 16, 2016, at 00:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Gang,

We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...

First question: what is the direction of rotation?

Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand? Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM 007

Posted by: Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...>

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>

#28034

Hi Steve,

Thanks… had Maxprops in the past. Should not be a big event returning it to LH.

IIRC, you have a Yanmar??

JP

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On 16 Jul 2016, at 14:48, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi JP,

Get on the PYI website, and they have a very simple video on how to determine your rotation. Mine is right hand. As you take the max prop apart, look at the 2 sets of letters carefully so you know how to get it back together. If you have any issues, contact PYI. They are very helpful. Also, after you have the blades off, you can remove the hub with a generic 3 arm gear puller. We did not need a special prop puller.

Good luck on the project.

Steve
Aloha SM72
Grenada

On Jul 16, 2016, at 00:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Gang,

We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...

First question: what is the direction of rotation?

Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand? Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM 007

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

Stephen Davis

#28033

Hi JP,

Get on the PYI website, and they have a very simple video on how to determine your rotation. Mine is right hand. As you take the max prop apart, look at the 2 sets of letters carefully so you know how to get it back together. If you have any issues, contact PYI. They are very helpful. Also, after you have the blades off, you can remove the hub with a generic 3 arm gear puller. We did not need a special prop puller.

Good luck on the project.

Steve

Aloha SM72

Grenada

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On Jul 16, 2016, at 00:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Gang,

We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...

First question: what is the direction of rotation?

Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand? Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM 007

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boom track bolts

karkauai

#28032

Hi Eamonn, the one I got out of the mizzen track was 6mm 25mm long.

Kent

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On Jul 16, 2016, at 7:49 AM, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi

I was recently told that the bolts are probably: M8 x 50mm and M6 x 50mm countersunk aluminium bolts.

I will order these and try in September. If I don't correct this post by October, then that it what is required.

Thanks for trying Kirsty!

Eamonn

#151 SM Travel Bug
Cleopatra Marina, Greece

Re: Boom track bolts

eamonn.washington@...

#28031

Hi

I was recently told that the bolts are probably: M8 x 50mm and M6 x 50mm countersunk aluminium bolts.

I will order these and try in September. If I don't correct this post by October, then that it what is required.

Thanks for trying Kirsty!

Eamonn

#151 SM Travel Bug
Cleopatra Marina, Greece

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>

#28030

Odd things can happen with a non-fixed pitch prop. On my old boat I wrapped a line on my Maxprop while docking. When I put the gear shift in reverse the boat went backwards. When I put it in forward the boat went… backwards! Exciting times.

Re-pitching a Maxprop can be done in the water, but it is a very difficult job. A good idea is to spread a fine mesh net underneath to catch the parts you will drop.

.

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On Jul 16, 2016, at 07:10, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Bill K,

Thanks for the info… to my surprise, when placing the lever in forward while exiting the suspension straps, the boat moved aft. Moved the lever aft and she moved ahead. Reversed the cables on the Morse and problem fixed enough to go to the berth safely.

Now I have to fix the problem afloat…. Humm!

FYI, Olivier told me to set the pitch at 22 degrees and explained that boats with tired engines often opted to set 20 degrees,,, FWIW.

Cheers and fair winds,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
Eleuthera SM 007

On 16 Jul 2016, at 12:58, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

It matters greatly the direction of rotation. Although the propeller will push the boat either way, if you stop the engine while the prop is turning in reverse, it will not feather. This is the way you could use the Maxprop to drive a shaft alternator. If you assemble it backwards, the only way to get it to feather would be to stop the engine while in reverse gear. Annoying, at best.

The notes in our documentation say that the prop should be set to 20 degrees pitch, left rotating.

If this is your first time putting a Maxprop back together expect to take more than one try. It’s not hard, but it does require careful attention to detail to make sure everything goes together the right way. Follow instructions exactly!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."
http://fetchinketch.net

On Jul 16, 2016, at 00:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Gang,

We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...

First question: what is the direction of rotation?

Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand? Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM 007

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>

#28029

Hello Bill K,

Thanks for the info… to my surprise, when placing the lever in forward while exiting the suspension straps, the boat moved aft. Moved the lever aft and she moved ahead. Reversed the cables on the Morse and problem fixed enough to go to the berth safely.

Now I have to fix the problem afloat…. Humm!

FYI, Olivier told me to set the pitch at 22 degrees and explained that boats with tired engines often opted to set 20 degrees,,, FWIW.

Cheers and fair winds,

Jean-Pierre Germain,

Eleuthera SM 007

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On 16 Jul 2016, at 12:58, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

It matters greatly the direction of rotation. Although the propeller will push the boat either way, if you stop the engine while the prop is turning in reverse, it will not feather. This is the way you could use the Maxprop to drive a shaft alternator. If you assemble it backwards, the only way to get it to feather would be to stop the engine while in reverse gear. Annoying, at best.

The notes in our documentation say that the prop should be set to 20 degrees pitch, left rotating.

If this is your first time putting a Maxprop back together expect to take more than one try. It’s not hard, but it does require careful attention to detail to make sure everything goes together the right way. Follow instructions exactly!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ
“Ships and men rot in port."
http://fetchinketch.net

On Jul 16, 2016, at 00:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Gang,

We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...

First question: what is the direction of rotation?

Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand? Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM 007

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>

#28028

It matters greatly the direction of rotation. Although the propeller will push the boat either way, if you stop the engine while the prop is turning in reverse, it will not feather. This is the way you could use the Maxprop to drive a shaft alternator. If you assemble it backwards, the only way to get it to feather would be to stop the engine while in reverse gear. Annoying, at best.

The notes in our documentation say that the prop should be set to 20 degrees pitch, left rotating.

If this is your first time putting a Maxprop back together expect to take more than one try. It’s not hard, but it does require careful attention to detail to make sure everything goes together the right way. Follow instructions exactly!

Bill Kinney

SM #160, Harmonie

Highlands, NJ

“Ships and men rot in port."

http://fetchinketch.net

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On Jul 16, 2016, at 00:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Gang,

We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...

First question: what is the direction of rotation?

Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand? Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM 007

Information needed. Maxprop on TDM 22 Volvo.

jgermain@...

#28027

Hello Gang,

We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...

First question: what is the direction of rotation?

Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand? Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?

Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM 007

Re: sheets for Maramu

John Clark

#28026

Yes I think this is the same boat. I once looked at it a few years ago...the price was eye catching...

She has a sad story attached to it. The last owner, who christened her Papa II was apparently a pretty great guy who died too soon.

Remembering Captain Dan


	Remembering Captain Dan My friend Edrid wrote me last Friday and asked if I had heard the news about Dan's death. I was shocked yes, but mostly deeply saddened...
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Re: Yanmar 24 volt alternator make/model

John Clark

#28025

Congratulations on the purchase Niels,

Bigouz looks like a very fine vessel...I had it on my "short list," I guess I was too slow for you speedy Danes! ;)

Regards, John