Yes, Ben. I have been emailing Neils directly with photos, but determined that it is an Amel installed standard 24VDC house battery alternator. Every SM 24VDC alternator I have seen has the optional 175 amp Leece Neville Alternator.

Regardless the relay is the same.

Sorry if I caused any confusion.

Bill

BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Neils 

I looked closely at picture you posted .  I have exactly same alternator.  No manufacturers' name is on  it.  just CE Label.  Check closely those small wire connections . 

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347

On Jul 16, 2016, at 3:26 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Neils, 

yes the relay is related to the red lamp

maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to be the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.

I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.

Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands  the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.

Good luck

Alan

Elyse SM437

 

Gearbox needs disassembly, inspection and probable overhaul.

And Genoa halyard may not be tight enough and/or forestay may not be tight enough.

Bill

BeBe

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 2:42 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Okay, so I looked at it further and it looks like it is working. It is wobbly as all hell but the bolts have not sheared off. The furling motor is fine. The rivets do look a little loose but I am at a loss as to why it would just completely unfurl while the pin was engaged yesterday and now it works "okay". Some work definitely needs to be done but I am not sure. The head sail is tight but the foil wobbles when rolling in under power. Thoughts?

Bill Maffei

SM #195 

It's all Good 

 

Neils 

I looked closely at picture you posted .  I have exactly same alternator.  No manufacturers' name is on  it.  just CE Label.  Check closely those small wire connections . 

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347

On Jul 16, 2016, at 3:26 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Neils, 

yes the relay is related to the red lamp

maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to be the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.

I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.

Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands  the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.

Good luck

Alan

Elyse SM437

On Jul 16, 2016, at 3:26 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Neils, 

yes the relay is related to the red lamp

maybe you have a faulty relay (unlikely), but its more likely to be the alternator itself and/or the alternator regulator.

I don't recognise that alternator, maybe someone else with a similar vintage boat can help.

Otherwise you need at least an auto-electrician, but preferably a marine electrician that understands  the Amel isolated ground system, to investigate it.

Good luck

Alan

Elyse SM437

On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:42, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Okay, so I looked at it further and it looks like it is working. It is wobbly as all hell but the bolts have not sheared off. The furling motor is fine. The rivets do look a little loose but I am at a loss as to why it would just completely unfurl while the pin was engaged yesterday and now it works "okay". Some work definitely needs to be done but I am not sure. The head sail is tight but the foil wobbles when rolling in under power. Thoughts?

Bill Maffei

SM #195 

It's all Good 

On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:58, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bill.

If you can furl manually with a line, the rivets are intact.  If the pin is engaged, but the motor doesn't turn the foil, you must have a failure in the gear box.  If it is "wobbly", that confirms that a gear or bearing is out of place.  What did you ("they") do to repair it last year?

Kent

SM243

Kristy

Curacao with a detached retina and emergent eye surgery a few days ago.  Was lucky to be here, the only retinal surgeon within hundreds of miles is here.  Won't know how much vision I'll have in R eye for at least a few months.  Gives a person pause to see how vulnerable we are in remote places.

On Jul 17, 2016, at 9:32 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

One more guess...

Maybe the worm gear inside the furler mechanism is somehow binding. I would guess that if this happened the motor would shear. Possibly a bearing or bushing has caused the gears to get out of alignment and they occasionally bind.

I think after you check the obvious, this is next on your list.

Bill

BeBe 387

Trinidad

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:

1. That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
   
2. Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.

I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill

BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hey everyone-

I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments? 

Many thanks, 

Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 

 

Bill,

One more guess...

Maybe the worm gear inside the furler mechanism is somehow binding. I would guess that if this happened the motor would shear. Possibly a bearing or bushing has caused the gears to get out of alignment and they occasionally bind.

I think after you check the obvious, this is next on your list.

Bill

BeBe 387

Trinidad

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I am guessing that it could be a lot of things, but, I will give you some guesses to eliminate because I have not experienced this. I imagine you have already eliminated these, but since you did not say, here you are:

1. That motor is very strong. Is it possible that the swivel is binding? Maybe the external halyard is jamming something at the top, or some other cause of binding.
   
2. Is there an alignment or tension issue? I believe that not enough tension on the Genoa Halyard will cause the foil to whip around as furling and unfurling happens.

I wish you well as you explore the reason.

Bill

BeBe 387

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 1:07 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hey everyone-

I have not look into this yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same thing happen less than 1 year after it was "fixed". I actually furled into the wind under light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime in with suggestions or comments? 

Many thanks, 

Bill Maffei

SM #195

It's all Good 

On Sun, 7/17/16, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head sail furling
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, July 17, 2016, 8:07 AM


 









Hey everyone-
I have not look into this
yet but last year I had the issue where the furling motor
sheared from the plate that spins the sail out (while
locking pin is engaged). Well, yesterday I had the same
thing happen less than 1 year after it was
"fixed". I actually furled into the wind under
light air conditions. You know, no problem just used the
cross method and rolled the sail manually but I am confused
and frustrated as to why this is an issue. Can anyone chime
in with suggestions or comments? 
Many
thanks, 
Bill
MaffeiSM
#195It's all Good 









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On Jul 16, 2016, at 08:58, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Steve,

Thanks… had Maxprops in the past.  Should not be a big event returning it to LH.

IIRC, you have a Yanmar?? 

JP

On 16 Jul 2016, at 14:48, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi JP,

Get on the PYI website, and they have a very simple video on how to determine your rotation. Mine is right hand. As you take the max prop apart, look at the 2 sets of letters carefully so you know how to get it back together. If you have any issues, contact PYI. They are very helpful. Also, after you have the blades off, you can remove the hub with a generic 3 arm gear puller. We did not need a special prop puller. 

Good luck on the project. 

Steve

Aloha SM72

Grenada

On Jul 16, 2016, at 00:59, jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Gang,

We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...

First question: what is the direction of rotation?

Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand?  Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?

Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM 007

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Hi JP,

Get on the PYI website, and they have a very simple video on how to determine your rotation. Mine is right hand. As you take the max prop apart, look at the 2 sets of letters carefully so you know how to get it back together. If you have any issues, contact PYI. They are very helpful. Also, after you have the blades off, you can remove the hub with a generic 3 arm gear puller. We did not need a special prop puller. 

Good luck on the project. 

Steve

Aloha SM72

Grenada

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Hello Gang,

We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...

First question: what is the direction of rotation?

Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand?  Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?

Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM 007

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Hello Gang,

We are servicing the prop but did not note the settings ...

First question: what is the direction of rotation?

Second question: does it matter if it is right hand or left hand?  Is there more efficiency in one direction instead of the other?

Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM 007