Re: Before wiring harness photos 4jh3 Yanmar
What a mess of spaghetti! I hope that your annotations will help us all to label/diagnose/repair/replace similar issues more easily. Thanks for pioneering Eric!
Derick Gates SM2K#400 Brava Currently on the hard in Antigua for hurricane season |
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Before wiring harness photos 4jh3 Yanmar
kimberlite@...
I just posted some before photos of the wiring after I took the covering off of the wiring harness. Fair Winds, Eric Freedman |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The crazy wiring of the Yanmar isolated ground on my 4jh3hte Hull #376 SM
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Kent, Yanmar uses plain copper wire in their harnesses. Normal USA wire is tinned. I believe some of my problems were the fact that he wires corroded over time, Secondly a number of wires that Amel selected to use are too small a gauge for the current/distance.. Having soldered , changed, and rewired most of the engine harness I cannot say it was something specific except time and wrong wire sizing. Fair Winds
Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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Congrats, Eric! So what did you find was the problem? Kent SM243 Kristy
From: "kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
I thought I had solved the problem of the erratic starting and stopping of my engine. I finally threw in the towel and the last few days I have removed all the plastic covering of the entire engine harness and the gooey black electrical tape that was used 14 years ago to close the corrugated covering of the wires.
I have found a number of connections that work but make no sense as there are much simpler ways to accomplish the same thing.
Tomorrow I will take some photos an explain the improvements I am making to the wiring harness.
One series of improvements will be to remove soldered splices that the factory did to make the engine an isolated ground. I will run non spliced cables directly from point to point. a number of these connections are in the middle of a run of wire just soldered and taped together.
To make things worse these connections are under the area of the turbo and totally inaccessible unless you remove the entire engine harness from the oil filter side.
The good news is I have it figured out and the engine now works perfectly. More to follow.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Jabsco Quite Flush Toilet Maintenance and Head Smell
I changed my hoses due to severe calcification when I bought the boat. Since then I've flushed all urine out of the output hose from pump to tank. When I leave the boat, or twice a year, I use SewClean (same company that makes Barnacle Buster for engines). I haven't had any further calcification. I need to change joker valve at least twice a year. The engine raw water systems are also clear of scale and hard growth. Kent SM244 Kristy On Aug 14, 2016, at 6:48 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: I think that the replacement times for a full time occupant of a SM are: So, don't worry about heating the hose too many times because of changing the Joker Valve each time you change the macerator pump. Bill Rouse On Aug 14, 2016 2:44 PM, "Ben Driver joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Jabsco Quite Flush Toilet Maintenance and Head Smell
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I think that the replacement times for a full time occupant of a SM are: So, don't worry about heating the hose too many times because of changing the Joker Valve each time you change the macerator pump. Bill Rouse On Aug 14, 2016 2:44 PM, "Ben Driver joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Amel SM engine room bulkheads and keel bolts.
Ahoy John and Sunny,
Saw your post...sorry I can't answer your question The email address I have for you has been bouncing them back to me. Hi John and Sunny, Saw your post...sorry I can't answer your question. Hope you are still enjoying cruising and each other. Have thought about you many times over the last few years. Emails have been bouncing back, please let me know how to reach you at karkauai"at"yahoo"dot"com. Dawn and I are no longer together. Guess we were too different in our dreams and needs. Kristy is in Curacao. I've been single-handing the East coast of the US then down to Bonaire and Curacao for the last year and a half, with help on longer passages and several 1-2 week visits by friends and family. Had to fly home after retinal detachment and emergency surgery in Curacao. Two more surgeries for recurrent detachment since home and another procedure this week. Poor prognosis for usable vision in that eye. Had a pity party for a couple days last week, but have one pretty good eye and will carry on. If risk of recurrence is high in the other eye, may have to forget the S Pacific dream as surgery within 24 hours may save vision. Will at least finish my S&W Caribbean swing over the Fall and Winter when the eye guy clears me to go. Life's a reach, and then you jibe! All the best, Kent Robertson Karkauai@... |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Jabsco Quite Flush Toilet Maintenance and Head Smell
Kent, I do same on mine. I've never removed hose for reason Jim states . It's a hassle! Ben Driver La Bella Vita SM #347 6SOn Aug 14, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Jabsco Quite Flush Toilet Maintenance and Head Smell
That's what I do, Ben. Kent SM 243 Kristy On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Ben Driver joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Jim Would it be possible to remove the two screws holding plastic nipple to base without removing hose? That is, flex the hose enough to gain access to input side of nipple in order to replace joker? Ben Driver La Bella Vita SM #347 6SOn Aug 13, 2016, at 5:29 PM, 'Jim Anderson' capt.anderson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Water in engine
James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
Bill, you are absolutely correct. My old boat, a Tayana 42, had a very high outlet point - with a non-functioning gate valve of all crazy ideas. I only added a flapper when I installed a gas/water separator. It seemed to work. I would be most interested in hearing your story about a closed valve, over that glass of wine of course. I would not want to give that a whirl on my boat. I think James said it well that you cannot defy physics, but I do think the Amel design is the best of both worlds - a high exhaust loop and a flapper. I took advantage of each when I installed my new engine and the larger exhaust. Jamie s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044 On Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:48 PM, "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: All boats have compromises in design... Even Amels!
Many boats do not need a flap on the exhaust because the design allows the exhaust to loop high enough that one is not needed. On other boats a valve is fitted to absolutely close the exhaust port. You don't have to worry about not opening it, the engine will not run against a closed exhaust! I will only explain how I know this after several glasses of wine... On my old boat for example, the exhaust hose looped way up inside the cockpit coming. That got the high point of the hose almost a meter higher above the water than is possible on my SM where the height of the hose loop is limited by the floor of the cockpit. Water entry was never a problem. But... On an SM, even if vertical space was available, you can't ask a turbocharged engine to work against that much back pressure! Isn't boat design FUN!?!? Bill Kinney Harmonie, SM160 Narragansett Bay, RI > On Aug 14, 2016, at 13:11, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] wrote: > > I think what Amel installed for the engine on the SM and on is quite good. = > Most boats have no flapper at all. The only other option would be a shutoff= > valve, which is what my generator exhaust has. But there you have to be ve= > ry careful to remember to open when you run the generator. Otherwise you wi= > ll seriously fill up the boat with raw water - an |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good afternoon Thomas,
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Interesting they say a 8kw genset is required… Are the newer model more power hungry? The specs on my Bauer Junior II (brochure from August 1998) says regarding the JII 3W model that I have: 2.2 Kw (3 PS) (for the 230 Volt / 50 Hz electric, they do have/had a 3 phase 400 volt)). My Onan genset is smaller 6.5 of not even 6 Kw (I don’t even know) Now that I have the Blue Sea AC Multimeter I can monitor the watts. For information, last weekend I was filling up a scuba tank and doing laundry at the same time, the most it peaks was 5360 Watts. I used 2 scuba tanks yesterday to clean the hull, so I will fill up one next week, then another one the following. If you need data let me know. I don’t mind to use only the scuba compressor (and nothing else) on the genset to have accurate reading of watts. Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 8/14/16, thomas. kleman <no_reply@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dive Compressor To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Sunday, August 14, 2016, 11:09 AM Hello- I own SM2K #422 (L'ORIENT) with the Onan MDKAV 7 KW genset. I've read all the dive compressor posts and am considering installing one. The Bauer Junior II retailer and some of the literature I've read indicate an 8 KW genset is required......yet when I read the conversation on this site as well as Alexandre's detailed install plan on Nikimat, it seems apparent that my 7 KW Onan will do......the peak draw from the Bauer seems to be well below 7 KW when I read the specs, making the info from Bauer internally inconsistent . Am I missing something ? We dive quite a bit and are planning trips to more remote locations so having access to dive shops might be a problem going forward. 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Battery Charger Manual
I saw that. Was wondering more about the equalization manual cycle. Thanks Kent On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:14 PM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
A cursory look at the Skylla 24v manual shows that in addition to 7 pre-set voltage sets for specific battery models for various manufacturers, an 8th setting allows customised voltages fully adjustable via potentiometer, not via software. Just last week I was looking at a newer product, the Victron MPPT solar charger, and the settings on it are adjustable via PC+USB connection, like Mastervolt, so I mistakenly assumed all Victron are adjustable via software! My bad. The good news is, however, that no USB module would be necessary for this particular charger in order to get proper charging voltages for one's batteries. Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2K Nº 350 Bonifacio
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Watertank cleaning on SM
Oh, hope that's not my problem. Thanks Kent On Aug 14, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi Kent We were not able to get that freezer/fridge unit out due to that someone laminated the box to the wooden work.
/Annsofie S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998
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Från: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
Merci Olivier, but I am talking about the aft freezer box under the dinette seat. I think Bill's description has answered my question. I'm not on the boat now, when I get back aboard, I'll try again. If I
still can't get it out, I'll post some pics of the problem.
Thanks again to you both for your help.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
On Aug 14, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Hello Kent,
you don't need to remove all the screws you find around the box, just remove the wooden board below the door (where you find the switch for low fan
speed) AND the floor board in front of the fridge.
The fridge will then be able to be slided forward.
Good luck.
Olivier.
On Friday, August 12, 2016 5:05 PM, "Kent Robertson
karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Bon Jour Olivier,
I am unable to remove the aft freezer to access the forward tank. I've removed all the screws I can find on the woodwork around the box and it's still immobile on the phone inboard end. What am I missing?
Merci beaucoup pour votre aide!
Kent, Patch, Rusty
SM243
Kristy
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: 12V & 24V receptacles
Alexandre Uster von Baar
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I am now in San Juan (Puerto Rico). I left Turks & Caicos Friday Feb 19 -21and sail for 2 days to reach Samana (Dominica Republic). May 6-8 I sailed to the Club Nautico where I have been staying. Let me know if you head my way, I am planning to stay until the end of September. I just sent you a FB friend request! Would love to meet you! Sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 8/14/16, cloudstreet100@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: 12V & 24V receptacles To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Sunday, August 14, 2016, 11:30 AM Alexandre, August 14, 2016 Are you still in Turks & Caicos? I have just sailed there and would like to meet you. 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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Water in engine
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
All boats have compromises in design... Even Amels!
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Many boats do not need a flap on the exhaust because the design allows the exhaust to loop high enough that one is not needed. On other boats a valve is fitted to absolutely close the exhaust port. You don't have to worry about not opening it, the engine will not run against a closed exhaust! I will only explain how I know this after several glasses of wine... On my old boat for example, the exhaust hose looped way up inside the cockpit coming. That got the high point of the hose almost a meter higher above the water than is possible on my SM where the height of the hose loop is limited by the floor of the cockpit. Water entry was never a problem. But... On an SM, even if vertical space was available, you can't ask a turbocharged engine to work against that much back pressure! Isn't boat design FUN!?!? Bill Kinney Harmonie, SM160 Narragansett Bay, RI On Aug 14, 2016, at 13:11, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Water in engine
James Alton
I am afraid that the answer to your question has more to do with Physics than with Amel. Flappers allow for a very low back pressure on the engine and a full flow opening. It’s really hard to design something that has almost no back pressure that can act as a perfect check valve.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Water in engine
James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
I think what Amel installed for the engine on the SM and on is quite good. Most boats have no flapper at all. The only other option would be a shutoff valve, which is what my generator exhaust has. But there you have to be very careful to remember to open when you run the generator. Otherwise you will seriously fill up the boat with raw water - and exhaust fumes. Jamie s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044 On Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:00 PM, "arthur saftlas art@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: Why would Amel not have designed something more water tight than a flap? "The cure for anything is salt water; sweat, tears, or the sea." - Karen Blixen |
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Re: Water in engine
arthur saftlas <art@...>
Why would Amel not have designed something more water tight than a flap?
"The cure for anything is salt water; sweat, tears, or the sea." - Karen Blixen |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Jabsco Quite Flush Toilet Maintenance and Head Smell
Jim Would it be possible to remove the two screws holding plastic nipple to base without removing hose? That is, flex the hose enough to gain access to input side of nipple in order to replace joker? Ben Driver La Bella Vita SM #347 6SOn Aug 13, 2016, at 5:29 PM, 'Jim Anderson' capt.anderson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel SM engine room bulkheads and keel bolts.
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
John, I know that it is larger than 1/2" because that is all I had when I did it. I used the electric drill and half inch bit to make the 1/2" hole larger until it was large enough. I know that does not answer your question, but at least, you now have the "shade-tree engineering" method from the "horse's mouth." Best, Bill BeBe 387 On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 10:42 AM, johnabo2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:
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Re: 12V & 24V receptacles
Joe Nance
Alexandre,
August 14, 2016 Are you still in Turks & Caicos? I have just sailed there and would like to meet you. Joe Nance SV CloudStreet SM2K Hull #331 |
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