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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi James, the dolphin has a simple small screwdriver turned selector for all battery types. It is located under the removable cover on the bottom front of the unit. The selector is very small and quite hard to see if you don't know its there. It is at the top left of the area exposed by the cover removal. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl From: "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" To: "amelyachtowners@..." Sent: Tuesday, 5 July 2016 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement Thanks for the advice. I am not sure what others have but I have the Mastervolt 24V alternator and it has an external smart regulator. I need to read up on it, but presumably it could handle any type of AGM batteries, since that is what I had with the Intimidators. I know my Morningstar MPPT solar regulator is set for AGM. The boat came with the original Dolphin 100A and a replacement Charles 45A, which is what I use when I am plugged in. Again, I know it is set to AGM. I am not sure about the Dolphin, since I was rarely on generator power and even then the Charles seems to do the trick. I am going to discuss all with my electrician after my insurance company approves the repairs. My insurance wants a thorough test of the entire electrical system, and my electrician is the one who added the fuse systems that protect all the feeders from the battery compartment - there are I think 10 fuses on the wall just downstream of the main cutoff switches. I do not have a fuse in the 12V starter/alternator feeder to the engine. By the way, one of the 24V fuses blew when the explosion happened. It may have been a fire if I did not have that fuse installed - who knows. Thank goodness there was no fire. Still no final statement from the surveyor the insurance company hired as to what caused the explosion. Jamie s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044 On Monday, July 4, 2016 5:50 AM, "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: Agree with Bill's comments. In our case, we had to re-program both Mastervolt chargers for AGM charging and add external Mastervolt regulation to the factory Leece-Neville alternator, also properly programmed for AGM charging. Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2K N. 350 At anchor, Camoglie (Génova)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Raw Water Anti Siphon Plumbing
Jeff,
I had a similar experience. Our anti siphon is located at the raw water disposal end of the heat exchanger and disposes the water in the mixing elbow. This is to prevent water from siphoning back through the exhaust into the engine. I don’t see what good it would do on the supply side as you state.
Systems for this vary. Some have valves. Other are open at the top of the siphon. The down side of the valve is it can become clogged or stuck and you would only know it was faulty when it is too late. The open system is better but it does make noises. If the hole is kept clean, the noise can be lessened. Ours made a whistle that drove me absolutely crazy. I reamed the hole a little wider and ensure I keep it clean. This seems to work.
With best regards,
Mark
Super Maramu 2000 Hull #275 www.creampuff.us Currently cruising: Tampa Bay for hurricane season
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 2:22 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Raw Water Anti Siphon Plumbing
As I suppose is standard procedure, the main engine raw water supply to the engine is routed through a fairly large diameter stainless tube forming an anti siphon loop (I think). A nipple is located on the forward edge of the loop and a small diameter flexible tube runs to the drain for the cockpit under the main hatch grating. Increasingly, this arrangement gurgles like a giant with gastric distress. Besides being annoying, I am wondering why this is happening. There appears to be no check valve in the circuit.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo Raw Water Anti Siphon Plumbing
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
Jeff,
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The thin tube up to the cockpit serves two purposes. First, and most important, is to allow air into the anti-syphon loop. By routing the hose up into the cockpit, there is no need for a checkvalve. You do not care if water runs out of that tube, since it immediately runs overboard down the cockpit drain. I am not sure exactly the physical arrangement on a 54, but water running out of that tube can also serve as a visual or audible indicator of normal flow through the engine, if it is noticible at the helm position. Your question about why it is making more noise than it used to: I assume the noise is coming from the small tube and not the cockpit drain itself. There are a couple of possibilities. All of the likely ones I can think of center on a lower water flow than there used to be. Under normal operation when the engine is at cruising speed there should enough backpressure for a steady stream of water to come out of that tube. No air, hence no “gurgling”. It would not be unusual for this setup to “gurgle” when the engine was idling, or for a few seconds after being shut down, but not when running at speed. Have you checked your raw water impeller recently?
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Volvo Raw Water Anti Siphon Plumbing
Jeff Wingfield <ki4jde@...>
As I suppose is standard procedure, the main engine raw water supply to the engine is routed through a fairly large diameter stainless tube forming an anti siphon loop (I think). A nipple is located on the forward edge of the loop and a small diameter flexible tube runs to the drain for the cockpit under the main hatch grating. Increasingly, this arrangement gurgles like a giant with gastric distress. Besides being annoying, I am wondering why this is happening. There appears to be no check valve in the circuit.
Has anyone experienced the same phenomenon? Remedy? Jeff LAST TANGO A - 54 101
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B &G Analog Boatspeed Display
Jeff Wingfield <ki4jde@...>
It appears the analog boat speed indicator at the helm has lost its connection to the source. The larger multifunction indicator (digital) is operating and data is still provided to the Furuno helm chart plotter. Anyone have a suggestion for troubleshooting the B & G analog display?
Jeff LAST TANGO A 54 - 101
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Portlight Screens
Jeff Wingfield <ki4jde@...>
Gaskets surrounding the white plastic screen frames are coming loose from the frame. It appears the black rubber gasket is attached with double sided tape pr perhaps another adhesive. Does anyone have a suggestion for the best adhesive to repair/reattach the gasket?
Jeff LAST TANGO A 54 -- 101
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Saloon Portlight Seals
Jeff Wingfield <ki4jde@...>
We are experiencing occasional leakage around the seal in a saloon port. Can the gasket around the glass be replaced? Source?
Jeff LAST TANGO A 54 - 101
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Raw Water Circuit
Jeff Wingfield <ki4jde@...>
I would greatly appreciate advice on cleaning the raw water circuit from the sea chest through the manifold. We are on Chesapeake Bay and jellyfish are clogging the strainer and getting beyond.
Jeff LAST TANGO
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM re-rigging plus mast painting
antonio scipioni
I have been in Rome last winter to paint my Mast and change The rig. That where really good, and much more cheep. IF needs you can call there and ask for Paolo. Nautilus Marina +39 066581221 Br Antonio SN108 Vagabundo Roma Inviato da iPhone Il giorno 02/lug/2016, alle ore 15:35, Stefano Biffi cptbiffi@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Swim ladder for swim step
Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
Hi Ben, We have one very simple but a bit of a compromise.. Like most things... Jean-Pierre Germain Eleuthera SM007
On 4 Jul 2016, at 15:34, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement
ms42phantom54@...
Jean-Pierre, you are correct about the cost, and if it were me alone my eyes would water indeed. Not sure what my insurance adjuster is going to say when I talk to her on Tuesday, but my insurance should be covering at least a part of the battery replacement. When you look at the total repair costs for the battery explosion, I am responsible for the deductible. What I am not sure about yet is what batteries they will authorize and if they will prorate the coverage, since mine were a bit more than 4 years old.
My only hope is to put in the best I can, so I do not have a repeat. Thanks, Jamie
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement
James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
Thanks for the advice. I am not sure what others have but I have the Mastervolt 24V alternator and it has an external smart regulator. I need to read up on it, but presumably it could handle any type of AGM batteries, since that is what I had with the Intimidators. I know my Morningstar MPPT solar regulator is set for AGM. The boat came with the original Dolphin 100A and a replacement Charles 45A, which is what I use when I am plugged in. Again, I know it is set to AGM. I am not sure about the Dolphin, since I was rarely on generator power and even then the Charles seems to do the trick. I am going to discuss all with my electrician after my insurance company approves the repairs. My insurance wants a thorough test of the entire electrical system, and my electrician is the one who added the fuse systems that protect all the feeders from the battery compartment - there are I think 10 fuses on the wall just downstream of the main cutoff switches. I do not have a fuse in the 12V starter/alternator feeder to the engine. By the way, one of the 24V fuses blew when the explosion happened. It may have been a fire if I did not have that fuse installed - who knows. Thank goodness there was no fire. Still no final statement from the surveyor the insurance company hired as to what caused the explosion. Jamie s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044 On Monday, July 4, 2016 5:50 AM, "svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: Agree with Bill's comments. In our case, we had to re-program both Mastervolt chargers for AGM charging and add external Mastervolt regulation to the factory Leece-Neville alternator, also properly programmed for AGM charging. Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2K N. 350 At anchor, Camoglie (Génova)
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Swim ladder for swim step
I'm looking to add a swim ladder to swim step. Ideally this would b something that is easy to set up and remove when sailing. Has anyone addd one? If so, can you provide details? Thanks Ben Driver La Bella Vita SM 347 Grenada
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Blue Sea Battery Fuses
Hi Gary,
He is a link to our set up on Cream Puff. It is one of the scenarios you are considering: http://www.creampuff.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Batteries-Located-Under-Midships-Bunk.jpg
The battery dimensions in inches are: Length: 12.81 Width: 6.56 Height: 9.38
We have no problem closing the lid with the Blue Sea fuses in place. I am no expert on these matters. I cannot talk to the advantages or disadvantage of this arrangement. The previous owner arranged this set up. He was very intelligent on electrical stuff. When we purchased, the surveyor researched and approved it. We have kept the set up the same based on that.
Hope this helps a little.
With best regards,
Mark
Super Maramu 2000 Hull #275 www.creampuff.us Currently cruising: Tampa Bay for hurricane season
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:33 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Blue Sea Battery Fuses
Hi All,
I am considering placing Blue Sea battery fuses on my batteries. I have a couple of questions: 1. Does it make sense to place one on each pair of batteries (i.e. 4 fuses) or does it make sense to place a fuse on each battery (in my case 8 fuses and of course more expense). 2. Dimensionally will these fuses clear the battery compartment cover? I have Trojan SCS 225 batteries that have dual studs one of which is taller than the other. 3. Would it also make sense to place a fuse on the master stud (i.e. the main connection point that is on the mid-starboard wall of the battery compartment? Looking for thoughts and/or experience/alternative manufacturers etc.
Sincerely,
Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM #335
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Blue Sea Battery Fuses
rossirossix4
In the pre-purchase survey for my Santorin 13 years ago the surveyor noted that ABYC required a fuse for the house batteries. Also, a disconnect for the starter battery was also required. My insurance company concurred. ABYC has stardards for types and location of over current protection and premissible distances.. The reason for the engine starter circuit disconnect is that if the starter sticks and keeps cranking, overcurrent and a fire may occur. SMs do have starter disconnects because our shut-offs cut current from both the house and starting batteries. Note BTW that the Santorin is 12V with higher amps to its bow thruster-I believe I had a 250 amp fuse and never blew it. My surveyor made another good suggestion. In case you blow a fuse and then your only spare (and are able to actually find the condition that caused it) make the cable to the fuse long enough so that it can be bolted together for emergency use. Here are a couple of sites that might be helpful in "doing it right" http://assets.bluesea.com/files/resources/reference/2010_ABYCexcerpts.pdf and Battery Bank Fusing by Compass Marine How To
2 years ago we left our berth in Queensway Quay Marina for a week long trip to Morocco and Ceuta. Upon returning we learned that the night before, the 65' powerboat that was fender to fender to us burnt up and sunk (rather was sunk by tugs to put the fire out)...electrical fire! You got me thinking about a fuse! Major fire in Queensway Quay, luxury yacht burnt
Bob, KAIMI SM 429
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement
svperegrinus@yahoo.com
Agree with Bill's comments. In our case, we had to re-program both Mastervolt chargers for AGM charging and add external Mastervolt regulation to the factory Leece-Neville alternator, also properly programmed for AGM charging.
Cheerio, Peregrinus SM2K N. 350 At anchor, Camoglie (Génova)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement
Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
Hi Barry, I had flexi solar on last boat. Short lived. Would not recommend... I know a 54 owner who installed 4 X 150 through Emek. He may not be a member here but I can perhaps reach his pers email. Will report back. Jean-Pierre Germain Eleuthera SM007
On 4 Jul 2016, at 02:17, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement
Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
Hi Jamie, A mate is CEO of a vlarge company and he sponsors an Imoca 60. He says the cost is eye watering. Perhaps your eyes don't water as easy as mine? GL and hope you escape your string of bad luck soon Jean-Pierre Germain Eleuthera SM007
On 4 Jul 2016, at 01:42, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Blue Sea Battery Fuses
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
Gary,
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The previous owner of my boat installed four 125 Amp Blue Sea fuses on the positive posts of each of the 24 volt battery pairs, so theoretically I can draw 500 amps without blowing a fuse. In the real world it is highly unlikely that the batteries would load exactly equally at such high draws, so the first fuse failure would come at a lower amp draw than that. You could put a fuse on each of the eight positive terminals and get the same result, but I don’t see an advantage to doing so. On the engine starting battery there is a 300 Amp fuse. I believe this is the largest terminal mounted fuse that Blue Sea sells. This system works. It has never blown, even under heavy normal use, and it gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing all my wires are protected in case of a catastrophic short circuit anywhere on the boat. My batteries are Lifelines, and the clearance works, not sure if the dimensions are the same as yours or not, but drawings are available on the Lifeline website for their Group 31 batteries. You COULD put a fuse on the main stud in the battery compartment--if you could find a suitable 500 amp fuse. There is something else to look at when picking a fuse for that central location. You need to be sure it will interrupt a current equal to the full short circuit capacity of the entire battery bank. In a fully charged Amel battery bank that would be somewhere over 4000 Amp. Fuses with such high DC current interrupt capacity can be rather specialized--and expensive pieces. Bill Kinney SM#160 Harmonie Highlands, NJ
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] House Battery Replacement
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
In general it is a very, very bad idea to replace one (or two) batteries out of a large bank. With one new battery, charging and discharging become unbalanced, and everything can go bad in a hurry. You can use a bank equalizer, but that adds another level of complexity.
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If your chargers can be programed with charge voltages, the firefly’s want an absorption voltage of 28.8 volts, and a float of 26.4 volts. Most modern lines chargers and “smart” alternator controllers can be programmed to do that without a problem. Where we have problems with something other than flooded lead acid batteries is with the “dumb” alternator on the main engine. They run at 27 volts. That would be fine for absorption phase, if a bit slow, but for long term float those batteries want 26.4 Volts or less. If you run your engine a lot, you will slowly cook them, especially at higher temperatures. The Firefly technology has a lot of promise, and their performance characteristics are well suited to the way most of use use our boats. But they are not a drop in replacement. Bill Kinney SM#160 Harmonie Highlands, NJ
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