On Wed, 8/17/16, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 4:55 PM


 









Bonjour Alexandre,
The 16 / 32A adaptor is just for
convenience (and strictly not legal in most places) to allow
you to connect to a 32A socket if a 16A is not
available.You should not draw more than 16A from
this outlet.
You are
right that would be more logical, but then the boat wiring
would also need to be much bigger to take 32A
draw.
As it is the
boat system is designed for 16A shore power and you should
not exceed that.
Everything is a compromise...you
always need to be aware of how much current you are drawing
so the capacity of the wiring, breakers and shiore
connections are not exceeded.
The Schuko plug is variously 10, 12,
16A depending on who made it and in which country, but with
such a short length of cable it shouldn't be a problem
up to 16A.
The frig
and freezer run from the 24VDC battery supply, so if that is
all you are running, you need the small battery charger
running to keep the batteries charged and that is only about
4A on the 220V circuit when it is putting out max current to
the batteries, which it won't if the batteries are fully
charged...so, no problem.

CheersAlanElyse
SM437 Noumea


Good afternoon
Alan, 

Thanks very much for your
reply. 

Just to make sure, even
thought it says 16 amp on the plug, it is ok to connect them
to a 32 amp connection and obtain up to 32 amp from
them? 
The plug will
take it ??? 

To me, it would
have been more logical to have: 
Power cable coming from the boat terminated with a
32 Amp (and not 16)
Then the extension has 32 Amp on each
side. 
Then have an
adapter that would reduce to a smaller 16 Amp shore
plug. 


So you would actually connect
your vessel (in a ship yard) to the Schuko (black 2 pin) and
be able to run freezer, fridge, etc.? up to 16 amp? Or would
you limit yourself to much less? The cable seem so
small… 


Enjoy Noumea! Thanks for your
reply, Alexandre












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On Aug 17, 2016, at 4:02 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

On Wed, 8/17/16, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shore power plug questions.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 3:09 PM


 









Hi Alexandre,
Apart from the 4 pin red plugs, we
have the same set of plugs and cables plus a few more for
South Pacific connections.
The 16A and 32A plugs are different
sizes. The boat system is 16A, the cable that goes from 16A
socket to 32A plug is so you can plug into a 32A socket on a
dock...some docks eg Taina Marina, Papeete, in some places
have only 32A sockets.
The black 2 pin plug connected to
the 16A socket, allows you to connect to normal European
power outlets, eg in the yard at Nouvile Plaisance in
Noumea, where we are now.
The red ones...I don't know what
they are for, but they look like they haven't been used
in a long while !
Hoep
this helps
CheersAlanElyse
SM437, Noumea











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On Wed, 8/17/16, BT mike.k.johnson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 10:49 AM


 









Hi,
My understanding is that if an
'isolation transformer' at the first point of entry
to the boat then a galvanic isolator us not required as
there is no potentional earth return circuit between the
boat and shore power.
http://www.bcet.co.uk/marine-isolation-transformers.html
it is the best option for preventing
galvanic corrosion but also the most expensive and
heaviest.
Regards
Mike & Peta
SM 2K 461Solitude
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016
at 3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

























 






Hi
again Alex.I've
been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated
transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a
galvanic isolator.  Maybe someone can expound on that
theory.  If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may
already be protected????Kent




From: "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...>

To:
amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, August
17, 2016 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator
Installation


 









Good
morning Kent,



Our vessel are similar.



And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially
Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic
switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier
mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator.



Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt
logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first
connection (which is the box on top of the forward
bulkhead).

If I did not had that box, then the first connection would
have been the automatic switch above the genset.



As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night:
currently the 110 shore power is not protected.

Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power.

By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be.

And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not
before the Galvanic Isolator.



Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up



Alexandre



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On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the
Galvanic Isolator Installation

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM





 



















Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly

close to my #243.

I'm not on the

boat, so writing this from memory.  If I've left

something out or am still clueless about something,
please

chime in.

 If Nikimat is like

Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box
on

the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor.  It

terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there.  From the
breaker,

it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer.  On Kristy
the

transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the
shelf

above the generator.The converted 220AC

power output (which will be the same frequency as the
input,

60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a
female

plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry,

it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly).
 To

use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in

this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be
plugged

into the other receptacle on the front of that box
marked

2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle,

it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses
generator

power over shore power.  This is above the generator. I

don't remember how it is marked.  There is another
box

near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air

Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which

cools all three A/C units.From that automatic

switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the

galley.

If you have a 220

inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel
receptacles

and microwave breakers.  I think others have a little

different set up with the inverter.

In a post a year or so

ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC
and

110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in
the

ground wire that goes from the box on the forward
bulkhead

in the engine room to the automatic switch above the

generator.  My understanding is that the 110->220

transformer is an "isolation transformer", and

having it between the shore power and the galvanic
isolator

is not a problem.  The only other item that is between

shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement
is

the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room

bulkhead.

Hop that

helpsKentSM243Kristy



Sent from my

iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58

PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:

































 













Good afternoon Derick,







Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to
the

details!!!







You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is

connected.



Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence!










I was just thinking last night the same thing you
mentioned!





The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric

“domino”.







My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to
open

the box and look at what color cable I have and see
where

they go.







Do you have both shore power?



If so what good options could be good to have?







I assume the 30 A 125 Volt?



http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png







Does any of you have other plug for European, South

American, etc. Marinas?







Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for
it.







Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico







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On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@...

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the

Galvanic Isolator Installation



To: amelyachtowners@...



Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM











 







































Alexandre,



Nicely illustrated, as always.



 Thank you for the instructive pictures!



I note that the way you have hooked



up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is



isolated.  The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected.



 You can protect the 110V shore line using the same



isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously.



 Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in
the



box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic



isolator using the same connection point as the 230V

shore



ground and you have done it!  (I.e. Change your 2-wire



connector to a three-wire connector.)



That way you are protected no matter



which shore line you use!



Derick



GatesSM2K#400Currently on the hard in



Antigua for hurricane season







































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On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:27 PM +0100, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

























 











Hi again Alex.I've been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a galvanic isolator.  Maybe someone can expound on that theory.  If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may already be protected????Kent


From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation


 









Good morning Kent,



Our vessel are similar.



And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator.



Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first connection (which is the box on top of the forward bulkhead).

If I did not had that box, then the first connection would have been the automatic switch above the genset.



As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night: currently the 110 shore power is not protected.

Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power.

By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be.

And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not before the Galvanic Isolator.



Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up



Alexandre



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On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM





 



















Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly

close to my #243.

I'm not on the

boat, so writing this from memory.  If I've left

something out or am still clueless about something, please

chime in.

 If Nikimat is like

Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box on

the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor.  It

terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there.  From the breaker,

it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer.  On Kristy the

transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the shelf

above the generator.The converted 220AC

power output (which will be the same frequency as the input,

60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a female

plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry,

it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly).  To

use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in

this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be plugged

into the other receptacle on the front of that box marked

2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle,

it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses generator

power over shore power.  This is above the generator. I

don't remember how it is marked.  There is another box

near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air

Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which

cools all three A/C units.From that automatic

switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the

galley.

If you have a 220

inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel receptacles

and microwave breakers.  I think others have a little

different set up with the inverter.

In a post a year or so

ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC and

110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in the

ground wire that goes from the box on the forward bulkhead

in the engine room to the automatic switch above the

generator.  My understanding is that the 110->220

transformer is an "isolation transformer", and

having it between the shore power and the galvanic isolator

is not a problem.  The only other item that is between

shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement is

the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room

bulkhead.

Hop that

helpsKentSM243Kristy



Sent from my

iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58

PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:

































 













Good afternoon Derick,







Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to the

details!!!







You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is

connected.



Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence!









I was just thinking last night the same thing you mentioned!





The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric

“domino”.







My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to open

the box and look at what color cable I have and see where

they go.







Do you have both shore power?



If so what good options could be good to have?







I assume the 30 A 125 Volt?



http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png







Does any of you have other plug for European, South

American, etc. Marinas?







Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for it.







Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico







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On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the

Galvanic Isolator Installation



To: amelyachtowners@...



Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM











 







































Alexandre,



Nicely illustrated, as always.



 Thank you for the instructive pictures!



I note that the way you have hooked



up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is



isolated.  The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected.



 You can protect the 110V shore line using the same



isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously.



 Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in the



box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic



isolator using the same connection point as the 230V

shore



ground and you have done it!  (I.e. Change your 2-wire



connector to a three-wire connector.)



That way you are protected no matter



which shore line you use!



Derick



GatesSM2K#400Currently on the hard in



Antigua for hurricane season







































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On Wed, 8/17/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator Installation
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 9:22 AM


 









Hi
again Alex.I've
been told that the 110-220V transformer is an isolated
transformer and thus doesn't need to be protected by a
galvanic isolator.  Maybe someone can expound on that
theory.  If it's true, your 110VAC shore power may
already be protected????Kent




From: "Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...>

To:
amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, August
17, 2016 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] illustration of the Galvanic Isolator
Installation


 









Good
morning Kent,



Our vessel are similar.



And if you look at all the pictures I posted, especially
Part 2, you will see I trace the wires to the automatic
switch above the genset as this is where I remember Olivier
mentioned to connect the Galvanic Isolator.



Therefore, that box “intimidates” me… and I felt
logical to connect the Galvanic Isolator to the very first
connection (which is the box on top of the forward
bulkhead).

If I did not had that box, then the first connection would
have been the automatic switch above the genset.



As Derick mentioned and was thinking the other night:
currently the 110 shore power is not protected.

Not a problem as I don’t use the 100 volt power.

By Connecting its earth to the domino, it will be.

And the Big cubical white transformer will be after and not
before the Galvanic Isolator.



Would love to hear back from Olivier on my set-up



Alexandre



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On Tue, 8/16/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the
Galvanic Isolator Installation

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 6:10 PM





 



















Hi Alex,Your #289 is fairly

close to my #243.

I'm not on the

boat, so writing this from memory.  If I've left

something out or am still clueless about something,
please

chime in.

 If Nikimat is like

Kristy, the 110AC shore power will go directly to a box
on

the forward bulkhead, up against the cockpit floor.  It

terminates at a 110AC 30A breaker there.  From the
breaker,

it goes to your 110->220 AC transformer.  On Kristy
the

transformer is a cubical box on the forward end of the
shelf

above the generator.The converted 220AC

power output (which will be the same frequency as the
input,

60Hz) then goes back to the box on the bulkhead to a
female

plug marked "220 via the transformer" (sorry,

it's inFrench and I can't remember it exactly).
 To

use 110 shore power, you have to insert the male plug in

this receptacle. (For 220 shore power it has to be
plugged

into the other receptacle on the front of that box
marked

2"20AC Sur Le Quai".From either receptacle,

it then goes to the automatic switch which chooses
generator

power over shore power.  This is above the generator. I

don't remember how it is marked.  There is another
box

near there marked 220AC that has the relays for the Air

Conditioners that turn on the 220AC raw water pump which

cools all three A/C units.From that automatic

switch, all 220AC power goes to the 220 breakers in the

galley.

If you have a 220

inverter, power goes from it to the 220 panel
receptacles

and microwave breakers.  I think others have a little

different set up with the inverter.

In a post a year or so

ago, Olivier suggested that you could cover both 220AC
and

110AC shore power by putting the galvanic isolator in
the

ground wire that goes from the box on the forward
bulkhead

in the engine room to the automatic switch above the

generator.  My understanding is that the 110->220

transformer is an "isolation transformer", and

having it between the shore power and the galvanic
isolator

is not a problem.  The only other item that is between

shore power and the galvanic isolator with this placement
is

the 110 breaker in the box on the forward engine room

bulkhead.

Hop that

helpsKentSM243Kristy



Sent from my

iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:58

PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:

































 













Good afternoon Derick,







Thanks for the compliment and also to pay attention to
the

details!!!







You are totally correct, currently only the 220 volt is

connected.



Electricity is my weakest subject, so building confidence!










I was just thinking last night the same thing you
mentioned!





The 110 Volt earth should fit inside the electric

“domino”.







My 110 volt doesn’t have any shore plug… I need to
open

the box and look at what color cable I have and see
where

they go.







Do you have both shore power?



If so what good options could be good to have?







I assume the 30 A 125 Volt?



http://www.frugal-mariner.com/images/img0565.png







Does any of you have other plug for European, South

American, etc. Marinas?







Once I take the pictures, i will make a post just for
it.







Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT



Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico







--------------------------------------------



On Tue, 8/16/16, derickgates@...

[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] illustration of the

Galvanic Isolator Installation



To: amelyachtowners@...



Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 1:23 PM











 







































Alexandre,



Nicely illustrated, as always.



 Thank you for the instructive pictures!



I note that the way you have hooked



up the galvanic isolator, only the 230V shore line is



isolated.  The 110V shore line is not (yet) protected.



 You can protect the 110V shore line using the same



isolator by hooking it up similarly simultaneously.



 Disconnect the 110V ground from the common post in
the



box, and connect it to the input side of the galvanic



isolator using the same connection point as the 230V

shore



ground and you have done it!  (I.e. Change your 2-wire



connector to a three-wire connector.)



That way you are protected no matter



which shore line you use!



Derick



GatesSM2K#400Currently on the hard in



Antigua for hurricane season







































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