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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#27784

Thanks for the info Eamonn, interesting how you can use your solar panel to recharge your Torqueedo electric outboard!!!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Sat, 7/2/16, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel solar panels
 To: amelyachtowners@...
 Date: Saturday, July 2, 2016, 9:22 AM

       Hi

 Solar panels: I
 did a lot of research, including in this forum to find out
 how much power is required (about 140Ah a day).  So I opted
 for the most powerful panels with the smallest footprint,
 that being the Panasonic N330.  Two of these deliver 660W
 in theory.  I got up to 590W peak in the first month. 
 They are roughly 3m2 for 2, about 2.1m wide when side by
 side, and 1.59m long.  Most other brands are closer to 4m2
 for the same power with monocrystalline cells.  Installed
 flat on an arch over the transom.  I also took advantage to
 install LED lights with an outside switch over the
 transom.

 The Voc is 69.7
 and Isc 6.07.  Allowing for 25% more in extreme conditons
 (eg very cold and sunny), I opted for the Morning Star
 Tristar MPPT 60 controller.  It's an overkill, but the
 MPPT 30 and 45 were out of stock and this was only slightly
 more expensive with better features (eg Ethernet connection
 to browse performance history).  Each of the 2 panels has 4
 zones, so if any zone is in shadow then the other 3 continue
 to work at full power.

 By
 the way, a great place to locate the MPPT is the hanging
 space just before the battery bank.  Remove the false cover
 to reveal a shelf.  The outer tube is a direct connection
 from the lazerette to the chart table, so I broke into it
 for the wiring.  I installed 2 breakers, 16A from the
 panels and 32A from the batteries. If battery circuit
 breaker is triggered then the solar panel is also triggered,
 to avoid damaging the MPPT.

 Together with new AGM batteries I have a power
 transformation.  I used the Generator just for 1h in 5
 weeks, thus saving diesel.  I reduced gas cooking by
 running an induction plate and microwave off the invertor. 
 I added a Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard, which is
 also charged indirectly form the solar panels, and saving
 petrol costs.  On sunny days the batteries were always 99%+
 charged after about 11am, even when running autopilot,
 making tea, etc.

 Yes I
 opted for the more expensive ACMO rigging, including all new

 turnbuckels etc.  It was rigged in France by Gremco.  I
 had also
 contacted Amel to do it, but they no longer use ACMO on SMs.
 Although
 Amels quote was less, I thought it better to go with ACMO. 
 However,
 within a week I noticed rust appearing on the 12mm ACMO
 swages.  The
 others were OK.  I hope that between Gremco and ACMO that
 they will sort
  that out.

 Regards
 Eamonn

 #151 SM
 Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina

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Re: Amel solar panels

eamonn.washington@...

#27783

Hi

Solar panels: I did a lot of research, including in this forum to find out how much power is required (about 140Ah a day). So I opted for the most powerful panels with the smallest footprint, that being the Panasonic N330. Two of these deliver 660W in theory. I got up to 590W peak in the first month. They are roughly 3m2 for 2, about 2.1m wide when side by side, and 1.59m long. Most other brands are closer to 4m2 for the same power with monocrystalline cells. Installed flat on an arch over the transom. I also took advantage to install LED lights with an outside switch over the transom.

The Voc is 69.7 and Isc 6.07. Allowing for 25% more in extreme conditons (eg very cold and sunny), I opted for the Morning Star Tristar MPPT 60 controller. It's an overkill, but the MPPT 30 and 45 were out of stock and this was only slightly more expensive with better features (eg Ethernet connection to browse performance history). Each of the 2 panels has 4 zones, so if any zone is in shadow then the other 3 continue to work at full power.

By the way, a great place to locate the MPPT is the hanging space just before the battery bank. Remove the false cover to reveal a shelf. The outer tube is a direct connection from the lazerette to the chart table, so I broke into it for the wiring. I installed 2 breakers, 16A from the panels and 32A from the batteries. If battery circuit breaker is triggered then the solar panel is also triggered, to avoid damaging the MPPT.

Together with new AGM batteries I have a power transformation. I used the Generator just for 1h in 5 weeks, thus saving diesel. I reduced gas cooking by running an induction plate and microwave off the invertor. I added a Torqeedo Travel 1003 electric outboard, which is also charged indirectly form the solar panels, and saving petrol costs. On sunny days the batteries were always 99%+ charged after about 11am, even when running autopilot, making tea, etc.

Yes I opted for the more expensive ACMO rigging, including all new turnbuckels etc. It was rigged in France by Gremco. I had also contacted Amel to do it, but they no longer use ACMO on SMs. Although Amels quote was less, I thought it better to go with ACMO. However, within a week I noticed rust appearing on the 12mm ACMO swages. The others were OK. I hope that between Gremco and ACMO that they will sort that out.

Regards
Eamonn

#151 SM Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#27782

Good morning Paul,

Could you please tell me which model of Victron Mppt regulators and Victron MPPT Control units you have?

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Sat, 7/2/16, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM
 To: amelyachtowners@...
 Date: Saturday, July 2, 2016, 9:02 AM


  







       

       Barry and Penny!I'm fare from an
 expert on solar panelsBut hear is my
 thought's so fare.We have three 150 w panels
 in serie on the Arc, they are Turkish origin, and so fare we
 are very pleased with them. The two on the rail are from
 Sunbeam (Germany I believe) light weight panels also in
 serie, they give compared with the one on the arc fare less,
 they give on average 15% of my total solar energy but
 nominal it should give 31 % if everything equal, but they
 come more often in the shadow from the mizzen boom, We have
 two Victron Mppt regulators, and two Victron MPPT Control
 units, and I have the feeling that the MPPT for the rail
 panels "reads" what's coming in from the
 larger solar system and reduce out puts. I have the same
 issue with the two Battery charger I have, if I run them
 both when on shore power at the same time the smaller
 charger does not contribute after a few minutes. I guess it
 could be the same with more than one solar charger,
 especially if the charge rate for my batteries are high say
 +95%, but that is not a big deal, they looks giving OK when
 battery around 90%.Our thoughts was to have two
 light weight panels on our Bimin in serie with the rail
 panels, but the canvas man told us it's not a good idea,
 as they will chafe, "destroy" they shape of the
 bimin and that it will collect moist between the panels and
 the canvas. So we decided not to put them there, but I'm
 considering to put them there anyway, to put chafe
 protection, the shape I'm less concerned about, then we
 have the issue with moister, but our Bimini is not very
 large and to replace it now and then is not a major
 cost.Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 en route to
 Sicily
  











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Re: Solar panels for SM

Paul Osterberg

#27781

Barry and Penny!

I'm fare from an expert on solar panels

But hear is my thought's so fare.

We have three 150 w panels in serie on the Arc, they are Turkish origin, and so fare we are very pleased with them. The two on the rail are from Sunbeam (Germany I believe) light weight panels also in serie, they give compared with the one on the arc fare less, they give on average 15% of my total solar energy but nominal it should give 31 % if everything equal, but they come more often in the shadow from the mizzen boom, We have two Victron Mppt regulators, and two Victron MPPT Control units, and I have the feeling that the MPPT for the rail panels "reads" what's coming in from the larger solar system and reduce out puts. I have the same issue with the two Battery charger I have, if I run them both when on shore power at the same time the smaller charger does not contribute after a few minutes. I guess it could be the same with more than one solar charger, especially if the charge rate for my batteries are high say +95%, but that is not a big deal, they looks giving OK when battery around 90%.

Our thoughts was to have two light weight panels on our Bimin in serie with the rail panels, but the canvas man told us it's not a good idea, as they will chafe, "destroy" they shape of the bimin and that it will collect moist between the panels and the canvas. So we decided not to put them there, but I'm considering to put them there anyway, to put chafe protection, the shape I'm less concerned about, then we have the issue with moister, but our Bimini is not very large and to replace it now and then is not a major cost.

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 en route to Sicily

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>

#27780

Hi Paul, Thanks for this. I think we may have seen you in Vlikho recently, but didn't have time to come over and chat.

Next time !

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Cleopatra.

On 1 Jul 2016, at 20:40, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

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Hi Paul

whow you can get 8.3 A continious during lets say 10 h in Greek with the Emek Solar installation. This is your calculation with 2.05 KWh/ day. and how you can dived kwh/day ??? Hours/day??? And pls its not 450 W our solar panel! its 450 PW. ( Peak Watt). Googel it and then maybe you understand

kind regards

Hanspeter

Tamango 2 SM 16
Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 01.07.2016 um 19:22 schrieb osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

Hello Ian and Judy
We have 450 W fitted by Emek. On Average in June we got 2.05 KWh/day, which I convert to about 83 Ah a day. We have been in the Ionian the whole of June. The lowest reading was 0,97 KWh or 39 Ah. A rather rainy day but some spell of sunshine. Max was 116 Ah
Ww also have 200 W on the rail but they more often come into shadow. They gave on average in June 16 Ah. Peak 23 Ah, lowest was 9 Ah
Paul on SYKerpa SM 259

SM re-rigging plus mast painting

Stefano Biffi

#27779

Hallo everybody, my Lady is ready to be re-rigged, I'm in contact in France with Russo yachting. They offer me the full painting of the masts and bomas done as new: sanding priming and  3 hands painting for around, not yet finalized, 26K and 6 weeks of work.
Re-rigging with BSI terminals for around 4000, still waiting a new offer with ACMO as I requested.
I also gave a call in Malta to a rigger who already work for Bill, waiting for his offer.
Now my question is :anybody knows a place in Italy, will be closer for me, where You suggest to ask a price forecast?
Thanks for you time and ciao

Stefano
N'EVEREST SM185
now Cagliari Italy

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gaz electronic shut off

Barry Connor

#27778

Hi Bill,

We are the third owner bought May 2015.

First - Peter and Nicole Mills bought Jan 2006 name "Top Gun"

Second - Pierre Brenet bought Aug 2007 name "Diablo Citron II"

We think we have a reasonable history of the boat. Anything that anyone can give is appreciated. We know the boat sailed to US in 2006 after delivery, then back to France in 2007 by new owner. Then sailing along French Med and around Corsica. This is what the original chart plotter shows.

Best Regards

Barry and Penelope Connor

"Lady Penelope II"

Amel 54 #17

Sailing French Med.

On Saturday, July 2, 2016 8:06 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

Barry,

What was the previous name of your boat?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jul 2, 2016 7:57 AM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

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Hi Bill and Steve,
Thank's for that I will invest in one of those laser thermometers. The replaced unit did get too hot to touch. This new replacement is now not left on,
I did buy the original 24v replacement. In the meantime I will continue to turn on at the bottle and switch and not leave on after use.
You have for now put my mind at rest. We have now started sailing, just left Marseille after spending 12 months checking and fixing things after buying last May 2015.

Best Regards
Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 #17
Sailing French Med.

On Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:42 AM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

All gas solenoids get very hot when they have been on for a while. After a few minutes of being on, you cant touch it. If I remember correctly, it does not matter which way the wires are connected for a solenoid.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Grenada

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I replaced my gas valve and solonoid as the original was getting very hot when turned on.
The new replacement seems to also get hot.
Can anyone advise regarding this?
Have I mixed the 24v wires?

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54 #17
Sailing French Med

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gaz electronic shut off

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#27777

Barry,

What was the previous name of your boat?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jul 2, 2016 7:57 AM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Show quoted text

Hi Bill and Steve,
Thank's for that I will invest in one of those laser thermometers. The replaced unit did get too hot to touch. This new replacement is now not left on,
I did buy the original 24v replacement. In the meantime I will continue to turn on at the bottle and switch and not leave on after use.
You have for now put my mind at rest. We have now started sailing, just left Marseille after spending 12 months checking and fixing things after buying last May 2015.

Best Regards
Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54 #17
Sailing French Med.

On Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:42 AM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

All gas solenoids get very hot when they have been on for a while. After a few minutes of being on, you cant touch it. If I remember correctly, it does not matter which way the wires are connected for a solenoid.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Grenada

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I replaced my gas valve and solonoid as the original was getting very hot when turned on.
The new replacement seems to also get hot.
Can anyone advise regarding this?
Have I mixed the 24v wires?

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54 #17
Sailing French Med

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gaz electronic shut off

Barry Connor

#27776

Hi Bill and Steve,

Thank's for that I will invest in one of those laser thermometers. The replaced unit did get too hot to touch. This new replacement is now not left on,

I did buy the original 24v replacement. In the meantime I will continue to turn on at the bottle and switch and not leave on after use.

You have for now put my mind at rest. We have now started sailing, just left Marseille after spending 12 months checking and fixing things after buying last May 2015.

Best Regards

Barry and Penny Connor

"Lady Penelope II"

Amel 54 #17

Sailing French Med.

On Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:42 AM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

All gas solenoids get very hot when they have been on for a while. After a few minutes of being on, you cant touch it. If I remember correctly, it does not matter which way the wires are connected for a solenoid.

Steve Davis

Aloha SM 72

Grenada

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Show quoted text

I replaced my gas valve and solonoid as the original was getting very hot when turned on.
The new replacement seems to also get hot.
Can anyone advise regarding this?
Have I mixed the 24v wires?

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54 #17
Sailing French Med

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gaz electronic shut off

Stephen Davis

#27775

All gas solenoids get very hot when they have been on for a while. After a few minutes of being on, you cant touch it. If I remember correctly, it does not matter which way the wires are connected for a solenoid.

Steve Davis

Aloha SM 72

Grenada

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Show quoted text

I replaced my gas valve and solonoid as the original was getting very hot when turned on.
The new replacement seems to also get hot.
Can anyone advise regarding this?
Have I mixed the 24v wires?

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54 #17
Sailing French Med

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Gaz electronic shut off

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#27774

Barry,

Please allow me to help, somewhat.

The electromagnet in the valve will work with the wires reversed. When electromagnetic solenoids are engaged (energized), they will get hot. The cooking gas solenoid is a "normally closed" 24VDC solenoid valve.

A 12VDC valve is the most common valve available and if you installed a 12VDC rather than a 24VDC valve the heat you notice is the electromagnet slowly burning up.

"Hot" is a relative term. How hot is hot?

Questions like yours are better answered with more information. If I were you, I would buy a less than $50 hand-held laser thermometer. You will have more uses for it than I can list. Turn on the valve for 5 minutes and measure the temperature. Then come back here and post your question with the additional information. Either I or someone else will take our laser thermometer, check our valve and get back with a comparison.

I hope that you continue to enjoy your 54.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Jul 2, 2016 6:09 AM, "Barry Connor connor_barry@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Show quoted text

I replaced my gas valve and solonoid as the original was getting very hot when turned on.
The new replacement seems to also get hot.
Can anyone advise regarding this?
Have I mixed the 24v wires?

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor
"Lady Penelope II'
Amel 54 #17
Sailing French Med

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Boom track bolts

karkauai

#27773

Hi again Eamonn,

Did you ever get the correct sizes and threads for the boom track aluminum bolts?

If not, I will take them out and try to get correct sizes for you.

Kent

SM243

Kristy

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On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:37 PM, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi

when I had the standing rigging replaced in April, which involved removing the 2 masts, I also requested that the masts and booms be treated and painted. My problem is that when they reinserted the outhaul tracks on the two booms they used new stainless steel bolts, since they lost/discarded the original aluminium bolts. I am far away from the boat currently. Could someone please tell me the specification of these bolts, or let me know where I can buy them? Also how many are required? About 32 I think?

Many Thanks

Eamonn Washington

SM #151 Travel Bug, Cleopatra Marina, Greece

Amel solar panels

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>

#27772

Hi Eamonn, Wandering around Cleopatra we spotted Travel Bug, looking well !

Are you able to tell me where you had her rerigged ? Did you use ACMO rigging ? Were you happy with the riggers ?

Also, can you tell me the length and width of your solar panels and their output ?

Hope you can source your bolts OK.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Cleopatra

Re: Gaz electronic shut off

Barry Connor

#27771

I replaced my gas valve and solonoid as the original was getting very hot when turned on.

The new replacement seems to also get hot.

Can anyone advise regarding this?

Have I mixed the 24v wires?

Regards

Barry and Penny Connor

"Lady Penelope II'

Amel 54 #17

Sailing French Med

Re: Solar panels for SM

Barry Connor

#27770

Hello Paul,
Hope that you or another member can also give me some extra advise and helpI am looking firstly at putting 2 solar panels on our rear arch.
Can you tell me how your 450w is set up? I have seen 250w 24v panels, they are about 1600 x 920 in size.
Our generator works fine pumping in high amps but I think that some solar panels would act as a good daily top up.I have just completed my full Bimini cover and I allowed for 2 flexible 100w 12v panels on each side, wired together for 24v and run through 2 controllers, the sun hopefully will be shining on one side! I would fit these after doing the solar panels on the rear arch. I would then  have 3 controllers in total. This would give me - 500w 24v from the arch, each side of bimini - 2 x 100w 12v linked giving - 2 x 100w 24v from the bimini. If I am correct potentially a total of 700w through 3 controllersIs this too much? 
I have included 2 photos of the Bimini which I have just finished using 1" tube, new 2 tone sunbrella (black on top and beige underneath) and a sailright machine. The bimini has a slight arch to assist with water run off and square corners for max coverage, 2 windows for viewing the mast, headroom is 6ft+.  As I am new at posting and attaching photos I will hopefully soon post a full breakdown of this project.
For now I want to install solar. Any advise  in regards to the best solar panels and controllers would be appreciated.
Best RegardsBarry and Penny Connor"Lady Penelope II"Amel 54   #17Sailing French Med Coast.


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Solar panels for SM

Paul Osterberg

#27769

Hanspeter

It looks as you have very little faith in my knowledge about electricity, and you are probably right Physics and Electricity etc, was not a very strong point for me during my studies, but maybe I got it right this time anyway.

Now at 09:45 my Emek solapanels give me + 8 A, and when the sun are a little bit higher we rather often get + 12 A and not unusually 14 A for a while.

My Victron MPPT Control gives me more data than I need, but it gives peek watt for the day, and and June they where often above 320 w with and average peek reading of 359 W. It also give total stored kwh for the day which for June was on average 2.05 kwh, given that the Victron measures correctly.

kwh is often the units you are billed at from the electricity company, in Sweden you are billed for how many kwh you consume/month, but the price could be set daily, then they calculate how many kwh/day you consume. In my case the Victron calculate how many kwh going into the battery/day.

Watt is calculated by the formula P=UxI so say 25 volt at average 8.3 A, gives P=207w, if we have this average conditions for 10 h, we get 2,07 Kwh. What's the problem ?

We run 2 fridges and one freezer, all lamps are led, usually my computer and instruments are on 24h, in the morning our batteries are around 90% according to the Victron BMV 700, and well before the sun goes down our Victron reeds 100%, this is when we are at anchor. Obvious the solar panels put in substantial amount of Energy into my batteries

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster shaft removal

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#27768

Ian,

Thanks for letting us know that it worked out. I am especially glad that nothing was broken in the process.

It amazes me that a few owners like the previous owner of your boat let things like this go until they become very serious problems, usually solved by them by selling the boat to someone else. And, this sort of thing is almost never found by a surveyor. There is only one surveyor in the world who would spot this problem in a pre-purchase survey and that is Olivier Beaute gmail.com>.

Bill

BeBe 387

Trinidad

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On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Glad to hear it all worked out.

Steve

On Jul 1, 2016, at 17:23, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks Steve, Bill, Mark and James (did I miss anyone? !).

Last night we doused the underside of the collar and bolt holes with PB Blaster and WD40. This morning the marina machine shop fixed the the tool ($45). So we used the tools and occasional rubber hammer banging and pulling from below. Took about 2 hours this morning in addition to 5 hours yesterday. Then it popped our . Fortunately no water was in the oil. We cleaned and sanded the top of the shaft and the inside of the collar. Then put tons of grease on both. It's back in and between the travelift and the dock, it had quite a workout. The river was running swiftly.

Thanks once again for all your sage advice. Needless to say, I never want to go through that again. Service every 2 years on my watch.

Also thanks Steve fir the recommendation of St. Augustine Marine Center. They were great.

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM153

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#27767

Kent, they are in the same place on 387, BeBe.

CW Bill Rouse, Admiral (Hon) Texas Navy

Yacht BeBe

+1832-380-4970 Global VoiceMail

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On Jul 1, 2016, at 15:42, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Mine are on the port side under the berth attached to the aft side of the chain locker's watertight bulkhead. There is a small panel that separates them from the air conditioner.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Jul 1, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I looked and I think mine are at the same place...
I did not follow the wire (short on time because of work), but unless they are other solenoids, mine are there.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Club Nautico de San Juan, Puerto Rico

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On Fri, 7/1/16, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: Fwd: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster Motor Solenoid Location
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 11:39 AM

Yes
Andrew, you have the bow-thruster located in a watertight
compartment, not allowing a watertight duct for the cables,
but I think on Kent's (and most probably on all the SMs
that don't have a watertight bow-thruster compartment)
the solenoids are below the berth.Kent
will tell us what he finds...
Olivier.

On Friday, July 1,
2016 6:09 PM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@...
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Not on our SM - they are in the bow thruster
compartment high up on the port side bolted to the side
wall.

Andrew
SM
472

Begin forwarded message:

From: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>

Date: 1 July 2016 at 17:57:29 CEST

To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>

Cc: Dr Andrew Lamb <Andrew.Lamb@...>

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster
Motor Solenoid Location

Reply-To: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>

In an
SM, the bow-thruster solenoid switches are located at the
front of the portside berth, under the berth board, behind a
protection piece of plywood.

Olivier

On Friday, July
1, 2016 1:57 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Kent,

I think I know where it is, but I can't get there
right now to verify it...Andrew, would you explain the
location.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
11:45 AM, Kent Robertson

karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Hi Bill,
Where is the bow thruster solenoid?
Thanks
Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:42 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse'

yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Andrew,

I know of one other owner who had the same problem with
their bow thruster motor. They had Amel in Martinique ship
the motor to Amel La Rochelle, who shipped it to some
unknown place for rebuild. The total cost was between 3,000
and 4,000 Euros!

When you have a chance please share your information,
because even though it is located in Perpignan, France, it
may be a solution for boats located elsewhere.

It is interesting that he suggested a possible cause
might be the bow thruster solenoid switch. I had not
considered that too much resistance in the solenoid would
cause damage to the motor and communicator, but I now
understand how it could. I
do not know the specs of the thruster relay on a SM. I
can't get to mine right now and will look later. I
suspect that I will find some numbers on it that I will
search.

Regarding your batteries, the y can be checked for
internal shorts and load-checked. I am sure that you know
that most battery suppliers will provide this service.

Thanks,

Bill BeBe 387
Trinidad

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at
8:36 AM, Andrew Lamb

andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Hi

So I managed to find a local motor
engineering workshop near Perpignan that specialise in
repairing and reconditioning motors (lift motors, wind
generators, etc) they have completely
rebuilt the main bow thruster motor including changing the
commutator the whole unit looks brand new now! He strongly
advised me to also change the boat batteries and bow
thruster relay to eliminate all possible causes of the
problem. Does anyone know the
specifications of the main bow thruster motor
relay?

Andrew

Ronpische
SM 472
Canet en
Roussillon

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Posted by: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...>

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bow thruster shaft removal

Stephen Davis

#27766

Glad to hear it all worked out.

Steve

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On Jul 1, 2016, at 17:23, francesringley@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thanks Steve, Bill, Mark and James (did I miss anyone? !).

Last night we doused the underside of the collar and bolt holes with PB Blaster and WD40. This morning the marina machine shop fixed the the tool ($45). So we used the tools and occasional rubber hammer banging and pulling from below. Took about 2 hours this morning in addition to 5 hours yesterday. Then it popped our . Fortunately no water was in the oil. We cleaned and sanded the top of the shaft and the inside of the collar. Then put tons of grease on both. It's back in and between the travelift and the dock, it had quite a workout. The river was running swiftly.

Thanks once again for all your sage advice. Needless to say, I never want to go through that again. Service every 2 years on my watch.

Also thanks Steve fir the recommendation of St. Augustine Marine Center. They were great.

Ian Townsend
Loca Lola II
SM153

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head-Holding tank ball valve replacement

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#27765

Thanks for sharing Bill !!!
Excellent work with the pictures!!!

Alexandre

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On Fri, 7/1/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head-Holding tank ball valve replacement
 To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
 Date: Friday, July 1, 2016, 2:13 PM


  





 



       I just replaced the aft head
 ball-valve for the holding tank drain.
 The process is documented
 here:https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1980087538/lightbox/956971003?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/956971003

 Total
 job 4 hours. Be sure that you have a wet-vacuum cleaner
 for this job.
 Best,
 BillBeBe
 387Trinidad










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