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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

jjjk12s@...
 

Jay,


Don't get personal or you won't have any support at all. I agree with Demitris, Danny and others. Facebook is fine for those that want that social side but many are not Facebook users (including me). This is a good forum with invaluable contributions from individuals who have nothing to gain but are very generous with their knowledge, won through years of experience, who you are needlessly and foolishly criticizing (“crooked social structure”… don’t be daft).


As Kent says, if you can contribute to the measures that have been started to overcome the possibility of Yahoo Groups ending, that is great.



John Maramu #91 Popeye


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi

Bill and other experienced Amel owners that contribute so much to this site have helped me enormously over the last few years and I hope they will continue to. They add enormous value to this site and our boats by being available to offer their advice for free as well as the increasing library of information now available from them. I am immensely grateful for that. This is more important than any web platform and we must listen to them.

Gary's work on the new site is very much welcomed and appreciated. One possible way to help move things forward is for the new site to receive a feed of messages posted from this site i.e Gary can you set it up like yahoo where an email to it's address creates or updates an existing thread and distributes an email to those opted in for push emails? If so you could register the new sites address with the yahoo forum and therefore "link" the forums - we would then have a parallel copy of the yahoo forum messages on the new site. This might be a good transition option.

However my biggest concerns / reservations remain about Gary's site - I don't believe these have been addressed:

Yahoo (and Facebook) has more than one person behind their application and infrastructure.

What happens if the new site is hacked when Gary is between continents enjoying his Amel, or for whatever reason the bill has not been paid for the web space and the ISP deletes the web space account. I think these and other similar concerns should be addressed first.

Andrew
Ronpische 
SM472
Canet en Roussillon



On 21 Feb 2016, at 05:12, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all.
I've been on the amel site and we have owned ocean pearl since 2008.
It has been immensely valuable to me.
I would like to make two points. 
First tech savvy people can do things on the Internet I can't begin to understand and no doubt that is why they find the yahoo site frustrating.  BUT. In my non tech way I find my way around and get all I need and I suspect many many others are the same. 
Second point and most importantly the value of the site is unquestionably the quality of the advice freely given. Go look at the cruisers forum if you want to see what I mean. Lose the hugely experienced and generous contributers and no matter how fancy or technical the site, it will die.
I AM HUGELY gratefull to the likes of bill from bebe  and others who have given us so much of their time and knowledge. Thank you guys. Please please keep doing what you do so well. I won't name any more in case I leave one out.
That's my lot
Cheers
Danny 299 Ocean pearl 


Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:21/02/2016 14:19 (GMT+12:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

 

Hi, Ladies and Gentlemen.
Too bad this has turned into name-calling.
I'm no techie, but I do LOVE this forum.  I'd hate for it to be lost because of stuff like this.
I can live with Yahoo, but it can be cumbersome when doing searches, especially in the photos section.  That could probably be corrected by shuffling photos and comments into folders set up in an organized fashion.
Of more concern is the worry that several techie types have that Yahoo will quit supporting Groups.
I thought we were on the road to fixing that with all Gary's hard work.  I have to admit that I haven't been visiting the new site much, but early reports are that it is very good.
The Facebook group already existing sounds like it has found its niche in more social endeavors.  I quit FB a few years ago and only share grand baby pics with my family.  (I only have a few "friends" and don't want any more).  If the group wanted to switch there I would be willing to try it again, but I'm not a fan.

Jay, you sound like someone who knows his way around the Internet.  I'd be interested to know if you've visited Gary's new site, and what you think about his approach.  Have you contacted him with offers to help him with it, suggestions about how to make it better, etc?
Given Gary's expertise and hard work, I'd like to know if you think Facebook would be better and why.
Please keep your answers in a language us non-techies can understand.
Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Member going on 8 years


On Feb 20, 2016, at 8:31 AM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill

I get the sense that you are inclined not to listen when people don't agree with you. Why not go back and read this thread again, because I think you may have missed a few key points - especially related to the search function. In fact, you were the one that suggested closing the forum in a previous post. I understand this forum means a lot to you. Change can be hard - especially as we grow older.

I will also add that the decision to move from Yahoo forums to another platform will eventually be made for you when this gets shut down. Facebook is just one platform. Google groups is another great option. 

I had mentioned in a previous post that it is presumptuous to try and spur a change based upon my limited time here. I now recognize that me innocently trying to help people move forward, by suggesting a modernized platform, was actually entry into the crooked social structure led by "12 angry men." "It's always difficult to keep personal prejudice out of a thing like this. And wherever you run into it, prejudice always obscures the truth. I don't really know what the truth is."

In the past day I have received numerous private emails thanking me for suggesting a change and offering constructive feedback. I will go back to joining that silent majority. Eventually you will be forced to move to a platform quickly and likely lose the member base you have here.

All of that being said, the limited connectivity and bandwidth issue is a real concern. My only suggestion is hit a wifi connection like the thousands of people living in the country you are visiting. Offshore, SSB email to select group members would probably work.

Cheers
Jay

On Feb 19, 2016, at 9:26 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Yahoo Groups are searchable from within each group.

Within the Amel Yacht Owners Group on Yahoo, you can search Conversations, Files and Photos for key words. It works. I use it all the time.

You have owned an Amel for months, not years. You have been a member of this group for I suspect months, not years. Obviously, you do not understand the features of the Yahoo Group, while insisting that Facebook is what we need.

I apologize if the following statement is offensive to anyone...BUT when a new member and someone who is new to Amel...AND someone who has not taken the time to understand what we have in this Yahoo Group, starts preaching to me and this group about what is good for us; I am inclined to not listen.

Additionally, it is not my decision or yours. If we were to successfully move to a new platform without losing members and value, the one person who MUST be "on board" is the owner of the Yahoo Group. I am not him, but if I were, I would be opposed.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:40 PM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ok. Let me field these one at a time:

1. Saying you will never be on Facebook reminds me of people saying they would never get email. Those people are still mailing letters and aren't here.

2. If you have a bandwidth issue, use the mobile version. I hadn't signed on to the browser Facebook in 1 year until today to look at bandwidth. It is high. You can use a browser to sign into mobile. The link is m.facebook.com. Less videos and graphics and uses minimal bandwidth.

3. When I say searchable, I mean for new owners looking to discuss Amels. Yahoo forums get buried in search results. Content is king and you need new users to produce it. At first glance, the user statics are impressive for this forum. However, there is a low number of unique users. Essentially, a small group of people are posting a lot!


On Feb 19, 2016, at 2:15 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Amel Yacht Owners on Yahoo is searchable.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 2:19 PM, J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I agree that we don't need 2 groups. However, the one needs to be searchable. Currently, Amel Yacht Owners is not.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Dimitris Krasopoulos dkrasopoulos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Jay,

since one year I have developed an amelyacht owners group in Face book with a lot of participants. You can also join if you have not already

It is not wise to have two groups with the same purpose




Best Regards

Dimitris Krasopoulos


2016-02-19 15:14 GMT+02:00 J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

All,

I want to first thank you all for the valuable information you have provided in my relatively short time here. There are some very knowledge people here that provide great input and experience that is invaluable.

That being said, it would be useful to move to a more modern forum - a Facebook Group. Since joining this forum in November, I have received over 1,200 emails from the group. That is great but a huge amount of correspondence to add to my email. Facebook would allow everyone to take part in conversations, send links, pictures, etc. and be notified if there is additional content on the subject.

The new website, www dot amelowners dot net, could be the support mechanism to the conversations taking place on Facebook. You could even link the new website without fear of your message getting rejected. Facebook would allow you to post a question or thought with supporting pictures and documentation. People can then respond with their input and pictures. We would also have a better platform to correspond directly using the PM function.

I am the Chief Client Officer for an IT company and struggle with user acceptance and adoption on a daily basis. There is a "frustration bell curve" to any new solution that needs to be overcome. I know that it may be hard for some of you to transition away from yahoo forums but this is a truly archaic communication platform. Change can be difficult but would benefit this group tremendously in the end.

I have created a Facebook group called Amel Owners - please join it. It is a private group but anybody can join; all you have to do is search for the group name "Amel Owners." Current members approve new members. I do not want the monopoly on admin rights for the group.

I think that once you see the power/capabilties of the Faceboo k groups you all will be very excited.

I look forward to seeing youu there and please let me know if you need help joing the group or facebook.

Best Regards
Jay
S/V Hobo Tiempo currently in Lewes, DE








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all.
I've been on the amel site and we have owned ocean pearl since 2008.
It has been immensely valuable to me.
I would like to make two points. 
First tech savvy people can do things on the Internet I can't begin to understand and no doubt that is why they find the yahoo site frustrating.  BUT. In my non tech way I find my way around and get all I need and I suspect many many others are the same. 
Second point and most importantly the value of the site is unquestionably the quality of the advice freely given. Go look at the cruisers forum if you want to see what I mean. Lose the hugely experienced and generous contributers and no matter how fancy or technical the site, it will die.
I AM HUGELY gratefull to the likes of bill from bebe  and others who have given us so much of their time and knowledge. Thank you guys. Please please keep doing what you do so well. I won't name any more in case I leave one out.
That's my lot
Cheers
Danny 299 Ocean pearl 


Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:21/02/2016 14:19 (GMT+12:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

 

Hi, Ladies and Gentlemen.
Too bad this has turned into name-calling.
I'm no techie, but I do LOVE this forum.  I'd hate for it to be lost because of stuff like this.
I can live with Yahoo, but it can be cumbersome when doing searches, especially in the photos section.  That could probably be corrected by shuffling photos and comments into folders set up in an organized fashion.
Of more concern is the worry that several techie types have that Yahoo will quit supporting Groups.
I thought we were on the road to fixing that with all Gary's hard work.  I have to admit that I haven't been visiting the new site much, but early reports are that it is very good.
The Facebook group already existing sounds like it has found its niche in more social endeavors.  I quit FB a few years ago and only share grand baby pics with my family.  (I only have a few "friends" and don't want any more).  If the group wanted to switch there I would be willing to try it again, but I'm not a fan.

Jay, you sound like someone who knows his way around the Internet.  I'd be interested to know if you've visited Gary's new site, and what you think about his approach.  Have you contacted him with offers to help him with it, suggestions about how to make it better, etc?
Given Gary's expertise and hard work, I'd like to know if you think Facebook would be better and why.
Please keep your answers in a language us non-techies can understand.
Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Member going on 8 years


On Feb 20, 2016, at 8:31 AM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill

I get the sense that you are inclined not to listen when people don't agree with you. Why not go back and read this thread again, because I think you may have missed a few key points - especially related to the search function. In fact, you were the one that suggested closing the forum in a previous post. I understand this forum means a lot to you. Change can be hard - especially as we grow older.

I will also add that the decision to move from Yahoo forums to another platform will eventually be made for you when this gets shut down. Facebook is just one platform. Google groups is another great option. 

I had mentioned in a previous post that it is presumptuous to try and spur a change based upon my limited time here. I now recognize that me innocently trying to help people move forward, by suggesting a modernized platform, was actually entry into the crooked social structure led by "12 angry men." "It's always difficult to keep personal prejudice out of a thing like this. And wherever you run into it, prejudice always obscures the truth. I don't really know what the truth is."

In the past day I have received numerous private emails thanking me for suggesting a change and offering constructive feedback. I will go back to joining that silent majority. Eventually you will be forced to move to a platform quickly and likely lose the member base you have here.

All of that being said, the limited connectivity and bandwidth issue is a real concern. My only suggestion is hit a wifi connection like the thousands of people living in the country you are visiting. Offshore, SSB email to select group members would probably work.

Cheers
Jay

On Feb 19, 2016, at 9:26 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Yahoo Groups are searchable from within each group.

Within the Amel Yacht Owners Group on Yahoo, you can search Conversations, Files and Photos for key words. It works. I use it all the time.

You have owned an Amel for months, not years. You have been a member of this group for I suspect months, not years. Obviously, you do not understand the features of the Yahoo Group, while insisting that Facebook is what we need.

I apologize if the following statement is offensive to anyone...BUT when a new member and someone who is new to Amel...AND someone who has not taken the time to understand what we have in this Yahoo Group, starts preaching to me and this group about what is good for us; I am inclined to not listen.

Additionally, it is not my decision or yours. If we were to successfully move to a new platform without losing members and value, the one person who MUST be "on board" is the owner of the Yahoo Group. I am not him, but if I were, I would be opposed.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:40 PM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ok. Let me field these one at a time:

1. Saying you will never be on Facebook reminds me of people saying they would never get email. Those people are still mailing letters and aren't here.

2. If you have a bandwidth issue, use the mobile version. I hadn't signed on to the browser Facebook in 1 year until today to look at bandwidth. It is high. You can use a browser to sign into mobile. The link is m.facebook.com. Less videos and graphics and uses minimal bandwidth.

3. When I say searchable, I mean for new owners looking to discuss Amels. Yahoo forums get buried in search results. Content is king and you need new users to produce it. At first glance, the user statics are impressive for this forum. However, there is a low number of unique users. Essentially, a small group of people are posting a lot!


On Feb 19, 2016, at 2:15 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Amel Yacht Owners on Yahoo is searchable.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 2:19 PM, J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I agree that we don't need 2 groups. However, the one needs to be searchable. Currently, Amel Yacht Owners is not.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Dimitris Krasopoulos dkrasopoulos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Jay,

since one year I have developed an amelyacht owners group in Face book with a lot of participants. You can also join if you have not already


It is not wise to have two groups with the same purpose




Best Regards

Dimitris Krasopoulos


2016-02-19 15:14 GMT+02:00 J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

All,

I want to first thank you all for the valuable information you have provided in my relatively short time here. There are some very knowledge people here that provide great input and experience that is invaluable.

That being said, it would be useful to move to a more modern forum - a Facebook Group. Since joining this forum in November, I have received over 1,200 emails from the group. That is great but a huge amount of correspondence to add to my email. Facebook would allow everyone to take part in conversations, send links, pictures, etc. and be notified if there is additional content on the subject.

The new website, www dot amelowners dot net, could be the support mechanism to the conversations taking place on Facebook. You could even link the new website without fear of your message getting rejected. Facebook would allow you to post a question or thought with supporting pictures and documentation. People can then respond with their input and pictures. We would also have a better platform to correspond directly using the PM function.

I am the Chief Client Officer for an IT company and struggle with user acceptance and adoption on a daily basis. There is a "frustration bell curve" to any new solution that needs to be overcome. I know that it may be hard for some of you to transition away from yahoo forums but this is a truly archaic communication platform. Change can be difficult but would benefit this group tremendously in the end.

I have created a Facebook group called Amel Owners - please join it. It is a private group but anybody can join; all you have to do is search for the group name "Amel Owners." Current members approve new members. I do not want the monopoly on admin rights for the group.

I think that once you see the power/capabilties of the Faceboo k groups you all will be very excited.

I look forward to seeing youu there and please let me know if you need help joing the group or facebook.

Best Regards
Jay
S/V Hobo Tiempo currently in Lewes, DE








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

kimberlite@...
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacement Microwave

kimberlite@...
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent.  I didn't say I'd used one. I may have mused that it could be an option.
Cheers danny 


Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:21/02/2016 13:53 (GMT+12:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

Thanks Danny.  Who was it that was telling about using the speed seal?
Kent

On Feb 20, 2016, at 4:07 AM, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

No Kent.  Just the bronze



Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:20/02/2016 14:42 (GMT+12:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing


Thanks Danny.  Are you using the speed seal on you bronze WOR?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

kimberlite@...
 


Re: Replacement Microwave

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Eric,

I have an Ariston microwave, 850 watts, that measures 510mm wide X 290mm high X 360mm deep.  I think it is the original Amel installed microwave.  It has a rotating glass table inside, as well as a browning element. There is about 40mm clearance on top and on each side, and approximately 40mm clearance in back as well.

Hope this helps,

Derick
SM2K#400. Brava
Currently in Sapphire Beach Marina, Saint Thomas, USVI


Re: Replacement Microwave

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What size of anchor Rockna for Maramu.

karkauai
 

Hi Paul.  I have a large Fortress (sorry I don't know what size) that was on the boat when I got her.  It's only been out of the bow locker once when I tried to kedge off a grounding in the Bahamas.  I couldn't get it to set in the marle.  I'll try it again when I need two anchors, but with my Rocna 40 that may be a while.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Feb 20, 2016, at 4:11 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I also changed to a Rocna 40 and we are very happy with that, however we got rid of the CQR 33 kg we had, it is difficult to store and very cumbersome to handle in case you need to take an extra anchor out in the dingy. I'm thinking of geting a Fortress fx 55 or fx 85 as a back up, should be easier to stow, much easier to lay out with the dingy, They get very good ratings at most tests. Anyone having any experience with the Fortress? or have an other idea for back up? The fortress are very expensive as well as the spade Aluminium anchor, which also seams as a good back up anchor

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM #259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

karkauai
 

Hi, Ladies and Gentlemen.
Too bad this has turned into name-calling.
I'm no techie, but I do LOVE this forum.  I'd hate for it to be lost because of stuff like this.
I can live with Yahoo, but it can be cumbersome when doing searches, especially in the photos section.  That could probably be corrected by shuffling photos and comments into folders set up in an organized fashion.
Of more concern is the worry that several techie types have that Yahoo will quit supporting Groups.
I thought we were on the road to fixing that with all Gary's hard work.  I have to admit that I haven't been visiting the new site much, but early reports are that it is very good.
The Facebook group already existing sounds like it has found its niche in more social endeavors.  I quit FB a few years ago and only share grand baby pics with my family.  (I only have a few "friends" and don't want any more).  If the group wanted to switch there I would be willing to try it again, but I'm not a fan.

Jay, you sound like someone who knows his way around the Internet.  I'd be interested to know if you've visited Gary's new site, and what you think about his approach.  Have you contacted him with offers to help him with it, suggestions about how to make it better, etc?
Given Gary's expertise and hard work, I'd like to know if you think Facebook would be better and why.
Please keep your answers in a language us non-techies can understand.
Steady as she goes.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Member going on 8 years


On Feb 20, 2016, at 8:31 AM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill

I get the sense that you are inclined not to listen when people don't agree with you. Why not go back and read this thread again, because I think you may have missed a few key points - especially related to the search function. In fact, you were the one that suggested closing the forum in a previous post. I understand this forum means a lot to you. Change can be hard - especially as we grow older.

I will also add that the decision to move from Yahoo forums to another platform will eventually be made for you when this gets shut down. Facebook is just one platform. Google groups is another great option. 

I had mentioned in a previous post that it is presumptuous to try and spur a change based upon my limited time here. I now recognize that me innocently trying to help people move forward, by suggesting a modernized platform, was actually entry into the crooked social structure led by "12 angry men." "It's always difficult to keep personal prejudice out of a thing like this. And wherever you run into it, prejudice always obscures the truth. I don't really know what the truth is."

In the past day I have received numerous private emails thanking me for suggesting a change and offering constructive feedback. I will go back to joining that silent majority. Eventually you will be forced to move to a platform quickly and likely lose the member base you have here.

All of that being said, the limited connectivity and bandwidth issue is a real concern. My only suggestion is hit a wifi connection like the thousands of people living in the country you are visiting. Offshore, SSB email to select group members would probably work.

Cheers
Jay

On Feb 19, 2016, at 9:26 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Yahoo Groups are searchable from within each group.

Within the Amel Yacht Owners Group on Yahoo, you can search Conversations, Files and Photos for key words. It works. I use it all the time.

You have owned an Amel for months, not years. You have been a member of this group for I suspect months, not years. Obviously, you do not understand the features of the Yahoo Group, while insisting that Facebook is what we need.

I apologize if the following statement is offensive to anyone...BUT when a new member and someone who is new to Amel...AND someone who has not taken the time to understand what we have in this Yahoo Group, starts preaching to me and this group about what is good for us; I am inclined to not listen.

Additionally, it is not my decision or yours. If we were to successfully move to a new platform without losing members and value, the one person who MUST be "on board" is the owner of the Yahoo Group. I am not him, but if I were, I would be opposed.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:40 PM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ok. Let me field these one at a time:

1. Saying you will never be on Facebook reminds me of people saying they would never get email. Those people are still mailing letters and aren't here.

2. If you have a bandwidth issue, use the mobile version. I hadn't signed on to the browser Facebook in 1 year until today to look at bandwidth. It is high. You can use a browser to sign into mobile. The link is m.facebook.com. Less videos and graphics and uses minimal bandwidth.

3. When I say searchable, I mean for new owners looking to discuss Amels. Yahoo forums get buried in search results. Content is king and you need new users to produce it. At first glance, the user statics are impressive for this forum. However, there is a low number of unique users. Essentially, a small group of people are posting a lot!


On Feb 19, 2016, at 2:15 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Amel Yacht Owners on Yahoo is searchable.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 2:19 PM, J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I agree that we don't need 2 groups. However, the one needs to be searchable. Currently, Amel Yacht Owners is not.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Dimitris Krasopoulos dkrasopoulos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Jay,

since one year I have developed an amelyacht owners group in Face book with a lot of participants. You can also join if you have not already


It is not wise to have two groups with the same purpose




Best Regards

Dimitris Krasopoulos


2016-02-19 15:14 GMT+02:00 J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

All,

I want to first thank you all for the valuable information you have provided in my relatively short time here. There are some very knowledge people here that provide great input and experience that is invaluable.

That being said, it would be useful to move to a more modern forum - a Facebook Group. Since joining this forum in November, I have received over 1,200 emails from the group. That is great but a huge amount of correspondence to add to my email. Facebook would allow everyone to take part in conversations, send links, pictures, etc. and be notified if there is additional content on the subject.

The new website, www dot amelowners dot net, could be the support mechanism to the conversations taking place on Facebook. You could even link the new website without fear of your message getting rejected. Facebook would allow you to post a question or thought with supporting pictures and documentation. People can then respond with their input and pictures. We would also have a better platform to correspond directly using the PM function.

I am the Chief Client Officer for an IT company and struggle with user acceptance and adoption on a daily basis. There is a "frustration bell curve" to any new solution that needs to be overcome. I know that it may be hard for some of you to transition away from yahoo forums but this is a truly archaic communication platform. Change can be difficult but would benefit this group tremendously in the end.

I have created a Facebook group called Amel Owners - please join it. It is a private group but anybody can join; all you have to do is search for the group name "Amel Owners." Current members approve new members. I do not want the monopoly on admin rights for the group.

I think that once you see the power/capabilties of the Faceboo k groups you all will be very excited.

I look forward to seeing youu there and please let me know if you need help joing the group or facebook.

Best Regards
Jay
S/V Hobo Tiempo currently in Lewes, DE








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

karkauai
 

Thanks Danny.  Who was it that was telling about using the speed seal?
Kent

On Feb 20, 2016, at 4:07 AM, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

No Kent.  Just the bronze



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:20/02/2016 14:42 (GMT+12:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

 

Thanks Danny.  Are you using the speed seal on you bronze WOR?
Kent

On Feb 19, 2016, at 7:19 PM, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent.  In reply to your query as to whether I had further thoughts on the WOB.  I continue to use the bronze.  I have a local engineer turn them up for me. Cost is a bit less than Amel price plus freight. 
I do my anti fouling biannual and the bearing does the two years with no water ingress. Need to change the oil then so it is no big deal. Not sure if my engineer uses a more resilient bronze alloy. I do a lot of miles in the two years and quite a bit of motoring. I have done 300 hours motoring in past 21months. Currently on month cruise of the NZ coast.
Cheers
Danny.
SM 299 OCEAN PEARL 
Sent from Samsung Mobile


-------- Original message --------
From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date:20/02/2016 05:16 (GMT+12:00)
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Propshaft bussing

 

Hi Paul.  30 hours would not normally be enough to wear the brass "bushing" (Amel calls it the "wearing out ring" -WOR).  It is only there to hold the seals in place.  I had a stainless steel one made and after 600 hours there is no significant wear.  BUT!...the propshaft electrolysis I had was directly under the stainless WOR aft of the inner O-ring.  I don't think it was the cause, but if the WOR had been made of brass, it may have been damaged instead of the shaft.  I may have seen loss of oil or water incursion to warn me of the problem before any damage was done to the shaft.  Others have used a "speed seal" very thin stainless collar around the WOR with good results.  That may be the best solution to the relatively rapid wearing of the brass WOR.  Danny, I think that was your idea initially, wasn't it?  Any other thoughts after several years of using the speed seal?

The Amel drawing of the lower end of the CDrive shows the two inner (forward) seals positioned with the open side facing forward to keep oil in, and the outer (aft) seal facing aft to keep water out.  A discussion on this forum about 6-7 years ago prompted me to install the forward seal facing forward and the two aft seals facing aft. I also started using a sealer around the seals, and packing them with waterproof grease.  Since making those changes, I've had no leaks or water incursion.

If the "Amel agent" did in fact install a new WOR, perhaps there is another reason why yours wore so quickly.  Excessive vibration?

Good luck
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Feb 19, 2016, at 10:14 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello!

I had my propshaft Busing replaced by an Amel Agent a few month back, now on the hard after ca  30 h on the engine since the change I saw that it was leaking oil. I open and found the oil white of water that had come in.

I have posted a picture of the brass busing as I to my surprise find a lot of where on it

Is this normal after ca 30 h? Can I Reuse it?

Would it be a good idea to have a few busings made out of stainless steel?

Should not the outer lip seal be turned to keep water from coming in? and not prevent oil to leak out. I assume the inner lip seal was for prevent oil to come out and the two others there to preventing water to get into the drive?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What size of anchor Rockna for Maramu.

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

 
I have an FX 55 in stern lazerette.  It is light  but not small so need to allow adequate space to store .  Several suppliers offer a rail mounting for this anchor which makes it quickly accessible in an emergency.  Of course You have another piece of hardware on deck.    It is great to have an aluminum anchor to take out by dinghy . 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Feb 20, 2016, at 5:11 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I also changed to a Rocna 40 and we are very happy with that, however we got rid of the CQR 33 kg we had, it is difficult to store and very cumbersome to handle in case you need to take an extra anchor out in the dingy. I'm thinking of geting a Fortress fx 55 or fx 85 as a back up, should be easier to stow, much easier to lay out with the dingy, They get very good ratings at most tests. Anyone having any experience with the Fortress? or have an other idea for back up? The fortress are very expensive as well as the spade Aluminium anchor, which also seams as a good back up anchor

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM #259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What size of anchor Rockna for Maramu.

Paul Osterberg
 

I also changed to a Rocna 40 and we are very happy with that, however we got rid of the CQR 33 kg we had, it is difficult to store and very cumbersome to handle in case you need to take an extra anchor out in the dingy. I'm thinking of geting a Fortress fx 55 or fx 85 as a back up, should be easier to stow, much easier to lay out with the dingy, They get very good ratings at most tests. Anyone having any experience with the Fortress? or have an other idea for back up? The fortress are very expensive as well as the spade Aluminium anchor, which also seams as a good back up anchor
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM #259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What size of anchor Rockna for Maramu.

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I have Rocna 40kg purchased after numerous setting issues with original anchor (which I kept as backup).  The Rocna sets first try always and has never dragged on me.  I know it will eventually but so far it is much better than CQR Type  that came with boat.  No fitting issues on roller and no dropping or retrieving problems 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Feb 13, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Bob bob.sarff@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Our 1985 Maramu "Chara" has a Rocna 33 and I needed to extend the anchor roller to make it fit properly.  I've been happy with the holding.

Bob

On Feb 13, 2016, at 12:24 AM, jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jean-Paul,

 

I have a Manson Supreme 60lb. Similar to Rocna - fits ok, just touches the pullpit upright when stowed. It's a very good anchor.

 

This topic has come up before, try searching through conversations. There's a Maramu called Chara that has a 33kg Rocna and most likely several others.

 

John, Maramu #91 Popeye

 


 


Re: What size of anchor Rockna for Maramu.

JP Mans
 

Hi Michael
thanks for answering I'll follow your advice.
All the best
Jean-Paul


Re: What size of anchor Rockna for Maramu.

JP Mans
 

Hi John
Thanks for your intrest.
JP


Re: Forum Tone

eljaroellinghoff@...
 

Hi tom
which give it nothing to add!
I would also hope that this unnecessary fighting stop Elja
SM Balu #222


Forum Tone

peacock@...
 

Here I go.


I am an avid follower of, and ocassional contributor to, this forum. It has been incredibly useful for me, and, like others, has saved me much time and money.


I am disturbed, even sad, at the recent comments on this site. I am astounded at how this developed, and has continued to propagate. I have noticed vitriol on ALL sides of these issues, that has been uncalled for. 


Is it possible to hit a "reset switch"? All those who, upon reflection, feel they might have offended the group, could just issue a blanket apology, and then let's move on. This site, or a Facebook site, or the newly custom-developed site, are too important for all of us. It is difficult to wade through the enmity and still find the "pearls" of collective wisdom that we all enjoy so much.


Thanks for listening.


Tom Peacock

SM Aletes #240

USVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Facebook Group

Michael Neale <michaelneale256@...>
 

Unnecessary to make it personal. 

Mike Neale



On Feb 20, 2016, at 5:31 AM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill

I get the sense that you are inclined not to listen when people don't agree with you. Why not go back and read this thread again, because I think you may have missed a few key points - especially related to the search function. In fact, you were the one that suggested closing the forum in a previous post. I understand this forum means a lot to you. Change can be hard - especially as we grow older.

I will also add that the decision to move from Yahoo forums to another platform will eventually be made for you when this gets shut down. Facebook is just one platform. Google groups is another great option. 

I had mentioned in a previous post that it is presumptuous to try and spur a change based upon my limited time here. I now recognize that me innocently trying to help people move forward, by suggesting a modernized platform, was actually entry into the crooked social structure led by "12 angry men." "It's always difficult to keep personal prejudice out of a thing like this. And wherever you run into it, prejudice always obscures the truth. I don't really know what the truth is."

In the past day I have received numerous private emails thanking me for suggesting a change and offering constructive feedback. I will go back to joining that silent majority. Eventually you will be forced to move to a platform quickly and likely lose the member base you have here.

All of that being said, the limited connectivity and bandwidth issue is a real concern. My only suggestion is hit a wifi connection like the thousands of people living in the country you are visiting. Offshore, SSB email to select group members would probably work.

Cheers
Jay

On Feb 19, 2016, at 9:26 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Yahoo Groups are searchable from within each group.

Within the Amel Yacht Owners Group on Yahoo, you can search Conversations, Files and Photos for key words. It works. I use it all the time.

You have owned an Amel for months, not years. You have been a member of this group for I suspect months, not years. Obviously, you do not understand the features of the Yahoo Group, while insisting that Facebook is what we need.

I apologize if the following statement is offensive to anyone...BUT when a new member and someone who is new to Amel...AND someone who has not taken the time to understand what we have in this Yahoo Group, starts preaching to me and this group about what is good for us; I am inclined to not listen.

Additionally, it is not my decision or yours. If we were to successfully move to a new platform without losing members and value, the one person who MUST be "on board" is the owner of the Yahoo Group. I am not him, but if I were, I would be opposed.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:40 PM, J Wagamon jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ok. Let me field these one at a time:

1. Saying you will never be on Facebook reminds me of people saying they would never get email. Those people are still mailing letters and aren't here.

2. If you have a bandwidth issue, use the mobile version. I hadn't signed on to the browser Facebook in 1 year until today to look at bandwidth. It is high. You can use a browser to sign into mobile. The link is m.facebook.com. Less videos and graphics and uses minimal bandwidth.

3. When I say searchable, I mean for new owners looking to discuss Amels. Yahoo forums get buried in search results. Content is king and you need new users to produce it. At first glance, the user statics are impressive for this forum. However, there is a low number of unique users. Essentially, a small group of people are posting a lot!


On Feb 19, 2016, at 2:15 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jay,

Amel Yacht Owners on Yahoo is searchable.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 2:19 PM, J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I agree that we don't need 2 groups. However, the one needs to be searchable. Currently, Amel Yacht Owners is not.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Dimitris Krasopoulos dkrasopoulos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Jay,

since one year I have developed an amelyacht owners group in Face book with a lot of participants. You can also join if you have not already


It is not wise to have two groups with the same purpose




Best Regards

Dimitris Krasopoulos


2016-02-19 15:14 GMT+02:00 J Wagam jwagam@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

All,

I want to first thank you all for the valuable information you have provided in my relatively short time here. There are some very knowledge people here that provide great input and experience that is invaluable.

That being said, it would be useful to move to a more modern forum - a Facebook Group. Since joining this forum in November, I have received over 1,200 emails from the group. That is great but a huge amount of correspondence to add to my email. Facebook would allow everyone to take part in conversations, send links, pictures, etc. and be notified if there is additional content on the subject.

The new website, www dot amelowners dot net, could be the support mechanism to the conversations taking place on Facebook. You could even link the new website without fear of your message getting rejected. Facebook would allow you to post a question or thought with supporting pictures and documentation. People can then respond with their input and pictures. We would also have a better platform to correspond directly using the PM function.

I am the Chief Client Officer for an IT company and struggle with user acceptance and adoption on a daily basis. There is a "frustration bell curve" to any new solution that needs to be overcome. I know that it may be hard for some of you to transition away from yahoo forums but this is a truly archaic communication platform. Change can be difficult but would benefit this group tremendously in the end.

I have created a Facebook group called Amel Owners - please join it. It is a private group but anybody can join; all you have to do is search for the group name "Amel Owners." Current members approve new members. I do not want the monopoly on admin rights for the group.

I think that once you see the power/capabilties of the Faceboo k groups you all will be very excited.

I look forward to seeing youu there and please let me know if you need help joing the group or facebook.

Best Regards
Jay
S/V Hobo Tiempo currently in Lewes, DE