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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: correct installation of a new charger

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Olivier,

Is there a leak detector on Kimberlite #376 built in 2002?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: correct installation of a new charger

 

 

Great explanation. Thank you!!

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All

Capt Richard 

RP Yacht Brokerage

Newport RI 

We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's

Cell 603 767 5330


On Jun 1, 2016, at 06:18, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Enio and everybody concerned with earth/ground/bonding whatever it is called,

 

every SM, Santorin, AMEL 54, 55, 64 owner can easily check that the AC ground/earth circuit and the ground circuit that connects all metal parts together with the rudder zincs (engine body, transmission, pipings, valves, pumps, water-maker, boiler,etc...) are connected together.

For instance, try to measure the resistance between the earth pole of an AC outlet, and the engine body. It will be 0.0 ohm. This is normal. In some boats, you will find 0.0 between the AC earth pole and the galley sink faucet.

The AC cooling pump (model CALPEDA) is obviously connected to 230V earth and to the general ground, the hot water maker too.

There is nothing wrong about that.

Now, some of you sometimes install new equipments, especially inverters, that, internally, make a connection between 24V (12V for the Santorin) negative and the ground (zincs). This should not be. This means the equipment is not made for your boat. Find an inverter that will not connect 24V (12V) negative to the ground.

 

Moreover, with the age or another cause, some equipments become faulty (too much carbon dust bringing power to an electric motor's housing) and can cause electrolytic corrosion (which is different from galvanic corrosion). This is the life of the vessel and the reason why AMEL finally installed leak detectors on the 24V circuits (from approximately 2000 on).

 

How can you detect that you may have a power leak that could damage the metal parts of your boat? By checking frequently the zincs and all metal parts in water (that you can see, propeller, rudder shaft and supports, brass through-hull fittings).

A boat unattended shouldn't be  a problem as long as the batteries are OFF and the shore power cord disconnected from the dock outlet.

 

Checking the boat's potential with a silver/silver chlorure electrode is also a good thing, if you do it frequently.

 

Don't get paranoïd but be careful with any new equipment installed: after wiring, and in use, there should not be any power coming into the ground/zincs.

 

Enio, once  your new charger is installed, check the resistance between the charger's housing and the AC ground. It should be 0.0 ohm. This is for your own protection (human body protection).

If your new charger is also an inverter. Check that there is no power on the charger/inverter's body (check the voltage with AC and DC).

If you find that the charger's body is internally connected to the negative DC (What is the kind of your AMEL? SM, Santorin?) or to the AC neutral, don't install it. Find another one, isolated.

 

Olivier.

 

 

 

On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 11:06 AM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

I'm not so sure how much of an issue this is.

Olivier advised that on the 55 and the 64 the bonding is connected to the AC ground.

I can only see it being an issue if at a marina the boat is connected to shore power and there is a ground leak...but there should be an ELCB on the marina power post that would trip if that was the case...

A galvanic isolator in line with the ground in the AC feed from the shore power would show if there was a stray current problem ... we should all have one of these

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bench Vise

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Derick,

Like the toolbox mount too!  A good place on the boat for something heavy.

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Port Canaveral, Florida


On May 31, 2016, at 18:32, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Duane,


First you need the bench.  I have posted a photo in an album called "Bench Vise In A SM" in the photos section of an example.  The bench extends from the port side of the engine room to the center, and is supported by vertical members.  Make the bench strong enough to withstand the pressures that will be transferred from the vise when it is in use.

Let me know if you want more details.

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bench Vise

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Duane,

I plan to buy small comercial portable workbench that fits under the comanianway first stair. It is made out of wood and it has good features for working and tool storage. I belive that it is better to work in the cockpit, deck, or dock. The are many limitations for working in the engine well.

On May 31, 2016 4:11 PM, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I would appreciate your experience on a good location for a Bench Vise on the SM.  I remember seeing a photo of one mounted in the engine room on the chrome bar forward of the main engine, but I can't find a photo of it.

Thanks,
Duane
SM#477 Wanderer
Re: Bench Vise

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Duane,

The bench is bolted in, so I guess it can be easily removed, but I have not tried that.  It was installed by the previous owner who was a "Monsieur Bricolage" (Mr. Do-it-yourself).  Thus far, I have not had to move it and have still had access to change the Dessalator water filters a couple of times.  Also, the bench is strong enough to lie on to access the mounting bolts for the Dessalator membrane assembly in the process of changing out the Dessalator membranes.

I have used the vise in situ to hold projects that needed drilling, sawing, persuading, etc.  Just be sure to put something underneath to collect metal shavings, wood chips etc. so that they do not get into the freshwater pump for the AC water cooling pump.  As I said earlier, be sure to make the bench strong enough to handle the torque that would be transferred to the bench via the vise when you are e.g. trying to separate the old plastic bayonet fitting from the old ball valve of the head in order to reuse it on the new ball valve. (After some ominous creaking, I took that job ashore).

Derick
SM2K#400 Brava
Currently in Saint Thomas, USVI
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: correct installation of a new charger

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Great explanation. Thank you!!

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Jun 1, 2016, at 06:18, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Enio and everybody concerned with earth/ground/bonding whatever it is called,

every SM, Santorin, AMEL 54, 55, 64 owner can easily check that the AC ground/earth circuit and the ground circuit that connects all metal parts together with the rudder zincs (engine body, transmission, pipings, valves, pumps, water-maker, boiler,etc...) are connected together.
For instance, try to measure the resistance between the earth pole of an AC outlet, and the engine body. It will be 0.0 ohm. This is normal. In some boats, you will find 0.0 between the AC earth pole and the galley sink faucet.
The AC cooling pump (model CALPEDA) is obviously connected to 230V earth and to the general ground, the hot water maker too.
There is nothing wrong about that.
Now, some of you sometimes install new equipments, especially inverters, that, internally, make a connection between 24V (12V for the Santorin) negative and the ground (zincs). This should not be. This means the equipment is not made for your boat. Find an inverter that will not connect 24V (12V) negative to the ground.

Moreover, with the age or another cause, some equipments become faulty (too much carbon dust bringing power to an electric motor's housing) and can cause electrolytic corrosion (which is different from galvanic corrosion). This is the life of the vessel and the reason why AMEL finally installed leak detectors on the 24V circuits (from approximately 2000 on).

How can you detect that you may have a power leak that could damage the metal parts of your boat? By checking frequently the zincs and all metal parts in water (that you can see, propeller, rudder shaft and supports, brass through-hull fittings).
A boat unattended shouldn't be  a problem as long as the batteries are OFF and the shore power cord disconnected from the dock outlet.

Checking the boat's potential with a silver/silver chlorure electrode is also a good thing, if you do it frequently.

Don't get paranoïd but be careful with any new equipment installed: after wiring, and in use, there should not be any power coming into the ground/zincs.

Enio, once  your new charger is installed, check the resistance between the charger's housing and the AC ground. It should be 0.0 ohm. This is for your own protection (human body protection).
If your new charger is also an inverter. Check that there is no power on the charger/inverter's body (check the voltage with AC and DC).
If you find that the charger's body is internally connected to the negative DC (What is the kind of your AMEL? SM, Santorin?) or to the AC neutral, don't install it. Find another one, isolated.

Olivier.




On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 11:06 AM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
I'm not so sure how much of an issue this is.
Olivier advised that on the 55 and the 64 the bonding is connected to the AC ground.
I can only see it being an issue if at a marina the boat is connected to shore power and there is a ground leak...but there should be an ELCB on the marina power post that would trip if that was the case...
A galvanic isolator in line with the ground in the AC feed from the shore power would show if there was a stray current problem ... we should all have one of these
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: correct installation of a new charger

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

That would do it...DIY - some diodes and a capacitor. It would only have to be rated for 2 amps.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:04 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

My Calpeda pump is working fine and I have a spare so it will be a while before I change it.

I was thinking that if I make a small galvanic isolator to put into the AC ground of this pump, it would solve the problem.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: correct installation of a new charger

 

 

Eric,

 

This is the connection that Alan refers to on the Amel installed Calpeda BCM20E pump:

  1. You know the Amel bonding system is connected to the Calpeda pump housing by the hose&nbs p;clamp around the exit pipe...right?
  2. Open the wiring box on top of the Calpeda pump and you will see that 230VAC Earth is connected to the pump housing.

All things are not perfect, but perfection is attempted.

 

However, I think that you and others have replaced the Calpeda pump with a March/May magnetic drive pump which will eliminate this issue because the magnetic drive is not electrically bonded to the 230VAC motor (I think) and the magnetic drive can be connected to the Amel bonding without a connection to Earth.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 8:26 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Alan,

I am not on Kimberlite.

Could you Email me a photo of that connection?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

Kimberlite@...

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 201 6 4:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: correct installation of a new charger

 

 

Yes all good..>EXCEPT..there is a connection between the AC ground and the bonding circuit, in my boat at least and that is due to the 220VAC saltwater pump for the air conditioning...there the AC ground is connected to the "saltwater" ground or bonding.....

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437

& nbsp;
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] chain size

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 


On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:08 AM, jlmertz jlm@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

link  https://xa.yimg.com/df/amelyachtowners/Anchor+Chain%2C+Galvanized+dimensions+and+calibration.pdf?token=7z6yNGvoPMYUkDwt0xdjJBOuVpIUpoiyt49bj3chz57iEG95E8VOccCgw4laT54Xaiur1kD8Cx0T3tUjLRPGbXF3dvC5DteNKo_xML4RXaKuOg8iKdmOF9ZJp0dpDpf0V8iB-CMMwHY_vA_mZdA_uYIMtEkFbXySp6wLsvkeYyn3bA&type=download

is wrong !!!!
jlm


Le 30/05/2016 07:03, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :
 
Hello Vladimir,

There is an excellent source of information here...

http://coxengineering dot sharepoint dot com/Pages/Anchoring.aspx

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 30 May 2016, at 01:11, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill.

On May 29, 2016 6:11 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Vladimir,

I may be wrong, but I think that you have two options that you may not have considered:

Buy a new gypsy from Lofrans to match the 31mm pitch...I think that Lofrans makes 3 different 10mm gypsies. They are around $200 each.

Or buy US chain that has a 30mm pitch...it is available.

Or, buy thw chain that you are looking at with 31mm pitch. Try it. If you don't like the way it works in the gypsy, then buy a Lofrans 31mm pitch gypsy.

Either of those are viable options.

One other remark about new chain: Whenever you install new galvanized chain, it will not begin to run smoothly through the gypsy until it has passed through the gypsy about 10-15 times. The reason ia that there will be small chips of zinc breaking off the chain as it passes through the gypsy. This is my experience and others that I have talked with about new chain.

BTW, I am fairly certain that most Americans don't realize the difference in pitch that is available in 10mm (3/8") chain. Most just buy what us available and if it is off by 1 or 2mm it just skips a little in the gypsy.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 29, 2016 9:45 AM, "Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, thanks for your email and for good information.

That problem was discussed before, but I could not find the conclusion for this discusion.
I hope that someone already tried that. It is less expensive to buy US chain.

On May 29, 2016 8:07 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Vladamir,

Be careful, your gypsy is cut for a pitch of 30mm and the chain you are looking at has probably a pitch of 31mm. Pitch is the measurement of the inside of the length of a link.

American chain is made mainly to ISO G30 and G43 standards with longer links that may not fit European gypsies. I believe that Lofrans makes a gypsy for 10mm (3/8") that has a 31 pitch.


Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 11:19 AM, sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Gary,

I want to buy 3/8 " G4 ACCO chain. I have original P 30 gypsy. Is it going to work? Did it work for you?

Vladimir Sonsev
SM 345 "Life is Good"
Annapolis




Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: correct installation of a new charger

Olivier Beaute
 

Hello Enio and everybody concerned with earth/ground/bonding whatever it is called,

every SM, Santorin, AMEL 54, 55, 64 owner can easily check that the AC ground/earth circuit and the ground circuit that connects all metal parts together with the rudder zincs (engine body, transmission, pipings, valves, pumps, water-maker, boiler,etc...) are connected together.
For instance, try to measure the resistance between the earth pole of an AC outlet, and the engine body. It will be 0.0 ohm. This is normal. In some boats, you will find 0.0 between the AC earth pole and the galley sink faucet.
The AC cooling pump (model CALPEDA) is obviously connected to 230V earth and to the general ground, the hot water maker too.
There is nothing wrong about that.
Now, some of you sometimes install new equipments, especially inverters, that, internally, make a connection between 24V (12V for the Santorin) negative and the ground (zincs). This should not be. This means the equipment is not made for your boat. Find an inverter that will not connect 24V (12V) negative to the ground.

Moreover, with the age or another cause, some equipments become faulty (too much carbon dust bringing power to an electric motor's housing) and can cause electrolytic corrosion (which is different from galvanic corrosion). This is the life of the vessel and the reason why AMEL finally installed leak detectors on the 24V circuits (from approximately 2000 on).

How can you detect that you may have a power leak that could damage the metal parts of your boat? By checking frequently the zincs and all metal parts in water (that you can see, propeller, rudder shaft and supports, brass through-hull fittings).
A boat unattended shouldn't be  a problem as long as the batteries are OFF and the shore power cord disconnected from the dock outlet.

Checking the boat's potential with a silver/silver chlorure electrode is also a good thing, if you do it frequently.

Don't get paranoïd but be careful with any new equipment installed: after wiring, and in use, there should not be any power coming into the ground/zincs.

Enio, once  your new charger is installed, check the resistance between the charger's housing and the AC ground. It should be 0.0 ohm. This is for your own protection (human body protection).
If your new charger is also an inverter. Check that there is no power on the charger/inverter's body (check the voltage with AC and DC).
If you find that the charger's body is internally connected to the negative DC (What is the kind of your AMEL? SM, Santorin?) or to the AC neutral, don't install it. Find another one, isolated.

Olivier.




On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 11:06 AM, "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
I'm not so sure how much of an issue this is.
Olivier advised that on the 55 and the 64 the bonding is connected to the AC ground.
I can only see it being an issue if at a marina the boat is connected to shore power and there is a ground leak...but there should be an ELCB on the marina power post that would trip if that was the case...
A galvanic isolator in line with the ground in the AC feed from the shore power would show if there was a stray current problem ... we should all have one of these
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] chain size

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

link  https://xa.yimg.com/df/amelyachtowners/Anchor+Chain%2C+Galvanized+dimensions+and+calibration.pdf?token=7z6yNGvoPMYUkDwt0xdjJBOuVpIUpoiyt49bj3chz57iEG95E8VOccCgw4laT54Xaiur1kD8Cx0T3tUjLRPGbXF3dvC5DteNKo_xML4RXaKuOg8iKdmOF9ZJp0dpDpf0V8iB-CMMwHY_vA_mZdA_uYIMtEkFbXySp6wLsvkeYyn3bA&type=download

is wrong !!!!
jlm

Le 30/05/2016 07:03, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :
 
Hello Vladimir,

There is an excellent source of information here...

http://coxengineering dot sharepoint dot com/Pages/Anchoring.aspx

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 30 May 2016, at 01:11, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill.

On May 29, 2016 6:11 PM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Vladimir,

I may be wrong, but I think that you have two options that you may not have considered:

Buy a new gypsy from Lofrans to match the 31mm pitch...I think that Lofrans makes 3 different 10mm gypsies. They are around $200 each.

Or buy US chain that has a 30mm pitch...it is available.

Or, buy thw chain that you are looking at with 31mm pitch. Try it. If you don't like the way it works in the gypsy, then buy a Lofrans 31mm pitch gypsy.

Either of those are viable options.

One other remark about new chain: Whenever you install new galvanized chain, it will not begin to run smoothly through the gypsy until it has passed through the gypsy about 10-15 times. The reason ia that there will be small chips of zinc breaking off the chain as it passes through the gypsy. This is my experience and others that I have talked with about new chain.

BTW, I am fairly certain that most Americans don't realize the difference in pitch that is available in 10mm (3/8") chain. Most just buy what us available and if it is off by 1 or 2mm it just skips a little in the gypsy.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 29, 2016 9:45 AM, "Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill, thanks for your email and for good information.

That problem was discussed before, but I could not find the conclusion for this discusion.
I hope that someone already tried that. It is less expensive to buy US chain.

On May 29, 2016 8:07 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Vladamir,

Be careful, your gypsy is cut for a pitch of 30mm and the chain you are looking at has probably a pitch of 31mm. Pitch is the measurement of the inside of the length of a link.

American chain is made mainly to ISO G30 and G43 standards with longer links that may not fit European gypsies. I believe that Lofrans makes a gypsy for 10mm (3/8") that has a 31 pitch.


Bill
BeBe 387

On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 11:19 AM, sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Gary,

I want to buy 3/8 " G4 ACCO chain. I have original P 30 gypsy. Is it going to work? Did it work for you?

Vladimir Sonsev
SM 345 "Life is Good"
Annapolis




Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: correct installation of a new charger

Alan Leslie
 

I'm not so sure how much of an issue this is.
Olivier advised that on the 55 and the 64 the bonding is connected to the AC ground.
I can only see it being an issue if at a marina the boat is connected to shore power and there is a ground leak...but there should be an ELCB on the marina power post that would trip if that was the case...
A galvanic isolator in line with the ground in the AC feed from the shore power would show if there was a stray current problem ... we should all have one of these
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Re: Interior Wood

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

In Barcelona, we had the main cabin's dining table re-surfaced.  It now looks new.  Not "like new", but absolutely new.  We know nothing of carpentry, but this is what we were told:

1.  The new veneer is mahogany, called "caoba" in Spanish.   In Fort Lauderdale we were told it is "African mahogany."

2.  They took the table to a shop.   I think it was removed with just four screws, from the bottom.

3.  The carpenter used a precision machine to cut the veneer to a size slightly overlapping the table surface, which has hard edges made of many finely composited and curved sheets of wood.

4.  The carpenter pressed the veneer on top of the old veneer with a hydraulic press.

5.  The new veneer was finely sanded on the edges so that the old edges remain visible like before.

6.  They used what in Barcelona called a "two-part varnish" but that in the U.S. several people referred to as "urethane."  I got the impression that in Barcelona this is considered completely workaday run of the mill stuff.  Maybe this is the case in the States too.

7.  The "two-part varnish" must be left to dry several days and it is then buffed.  The buffing cannot be done until the thing is very dry or else you get cloudiness.

The new table is "reddish", like the surfaces in Peregrinus that get no sun whatsoever.  The old table and the other places that get the most sun on our boat, have migrated to "yellowish."

Cheerio,


Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350 (2002)
At anchor, Saint-Jean-Cap-Ferrat (Nice)
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: correct installation of a new charger

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Bill,

My Calpeda pump is working fine and I have a spare so it will be a while before I change it.

I was thinking that if I make a small galvanic isolator to put into the AC ground of this pump, it would solve the problem.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: correct installation of a new charger

 

 

Eric,

 

This is the connection that Alan refers to on the Amel installed Calpeda BCM20E pump:

  1. You know the Amel bonding system is connected to the Calpeda pump housing by the hose clamp around the exit pipe...right?
  2. Open the wiring box on top of the Calpeda pump and you will see that 230VAC Earth is connected to the pump housing.

All things are not perfect, but perfection is attempted.

 

However, I think that you and others have replaced the Calpeda pump with a March/May magnetic drive pump which will eliminate this issue because the magnetic drive is not electrically bonded to the 230VAC motor (I think) and the magnetic drive can be connected to the Amel bonding without a connection to Earth.

 

Bill

BeBe 387

 

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 8:26 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Alan,

I am not on Kimberlite.

Could you Email me a photo of that connection?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

Kimberlite@...

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 4:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: correct installation of a new charger

 

 

Yes all good..>EXCEPT..there is a connection between the AC ground and the bonding circuit, in my boat at least and that is due to the 220VAC saltwater pump for the air conditioning...there the AC ground is connected to the "saltwater" ground or bonding.....

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437

 
Re: Bench Vise

sailor63109@...
 

Gates,

That's a great spot.  Is it removable so you can take it up on deck?

Duane
Re: Bench Vise

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Duane,

First you need the bench.  I have posted a photo in an album called "Bench Vise In A SM" in the photos section of an example.  The bench extends from the port side of the engine room to the center, and is supported by vertical members.  Make the bench strong enough to withstand the pressures that will be transferred from the vise when it is in use.

Let me know if you want more details.

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Kent !!!

Kent Robertson
 

"Rusty" seems more appropriate!
Kent


On May 31, 2016, at 6:13 PM, ericmeury@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

although i'll read any subject with the heading "Kent!!!" and probaby print and save the ones title "Kent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Re: Kent !!!

ericmeury@...
 

although i'll read any subject with the heading "Kent!!!" and probaby print and save the ones title "Kent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Bench Vise

sailor63109@...
 

I would appreciate your experience on a good location for a Bench Vise on the SM.  I remember seeing a photo of one mounted in the engine room on the chrome bar forward of the main engine, but I can't find a photo of it.

Thanks,
Duane
SM#477 Wanderer
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben,

That Onan generator will purposely shutdown under about 12 conditions if the computer senses a shutdown condition. It could also be a bad computer.

Be sure to check or replace the two condensers on the High Pressure pump motor.

And be sure to check for a shutdown code after the next shutdown. Read the manual.

The light on the rocker is the light that blinks after shutdown. This is assuming you have the same model Onan as BeBe...your hull number is close enough to assume that.

Good luck.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 31, 2016 2:27 PM, "Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill.  I will check out those condensers.  I just don't know how generator can shut down without throwing a breaker?

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On May 30, 2016, at 8:23 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

OK, you know how difficult it is to diagnose something by email, but, I will risk being wrong:
Your problem is centered around the High Pressure pump motor. I am going to guess that the pair of condensers on top of that motor are either bad or there is a short in the wiring there.

I saw the exact symptoms on another 160L SM. The guy had recently changed the condensers and wired them wrong. I assume that you have not changed anything so I assume either bad condensers or a short. Of course you could have an electric motor problem, but check out the condensers.

Floow this link for additional info:

Let me know if this helps.

Bill
BeBe 387
Carriacou


On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:13 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown.  I can run all - 3 airs, charger, washer - simultaneity.  But when Dessalator is turned on generator shuts down.  No breakers on inside panel or on generator are thrown; generator just shuts down. I can restart immediately but as soon as Dessalator is started it shuts down again.  


I tried turning all off including charger and turning Dessalator alone on but same thing.  Specifically, when I turn on unit low pressure pump starts up and pressure gauge is in green.. It runs for a few seconds until high pressure pump starts which immediately causes generator to shut down.  I never touch the high pressure control knob which is turned all the way counterclockwise so there should be no pressure.  


It seems as no breakers are thrown on either generator or Dessalator, this must be water flow rela ted.  That is, not enough flow for both generator and Dessalator .  By the way, system has new high pressure hoses and membranes and worked well during first use after new membranes filling tank with good water just last week. However it did shut down once for no apparent reason on initial use. 


I could use some team help.

Thanks 


Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Dominica 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ben,

I am not sure who is the Dessalator rep. Be sure to go into the Amel shop at la Marina du Marin and ask Caroline.

I heard some not-good reports about watermaker service on an older SM. I am not sure who he used. I will try to get an answer, but I would trust Amel Caribe.

BTW, du Marin has an unbelievable monthly rate which is about 30 euro more than their weekly rate...it is about 560 euro/month including electricity. To get that rate you are supposed to reserve by email. The email address is: contact"at"marina-martinique.fr
Ask for Pontoon 4 which is the Amel Pontoon.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

 

Thanks Bill.  I do have the manual.  I'll look it up.  Heading to Martinique today so I can get help from Dessalator rep there if needed. I believe it is Caraibe Marine.
Ben 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
CG #1120066
SM #347

On May 31, 2016, at 8:37 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>  

>
> Ben,
>
> When you press the rocker to Start the orange light blinks orange the turns to green when the Onan is running. That is the light that will blink an error code after a computer commanded shutdown.
>
> Do you have the Onan Owner's manual? I can scan some pages for you.
>
> Bill Rouse
> BeBe Amel 53 #387
> Sent from my tablet
> +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
>
> On May 31, 2016 8:12 AM, "Ben Driver joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>>

>>  
>>
>> Hi Bill
>> Where would I see that error code? My generator does not have an LCD/LED Panel but just  a start /stop rocker switch with one orange light.  There is hour meter but no others  
>>
>> Ben Driver
>> La Bella Vita
>> SM #347
>>6S
>>
>>
>> On May 30, 2016, at 3:52 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>>

>>>  

>>>
>>> Good point, Danny. The Onan that Ben has is probably the same model as BeBe.
>>>
>>> Ben, you never mentioned any error code, so assumed there was no error code. Was there an error code? Insufficient water flow is 7 blinks. Did you have this error?
>>>
>>> Bill Rouse
>>> BeBe Amel 53 #387
>>> Sent from my tablet
>>> +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
>>>
>>> On May 30, 2016 3:44 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Does the onan have a protection system that shuts it down if the salt water cooling has inadequate flow? If so this could be the cause as the dessalator takes water from the same source, the sea chest.
>>>> Danny
>>>> SM 299 Ocean Pearl
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
>>>> To: amelyachtowners@...
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2016 2:08 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>> I will check out those condensers.  I just don't know how generator can shut down without throwing a breaker?
>>>>
>>>> Ben Driver
>>>> La Bella Vita
>>>> CG #1120066
>>>> SM #347
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 30, 2016, at 8:23 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
>>>>

>>>>>  

>>>>> Ben,
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, you know how difficult it is to diagnose something by email, but, I will risk being wrong:
>>>>> Your problem is centered around the High Pressure pump motor. I am going to guess that the pair of condensers on top of that motor are either bad or there is a short in the wiring there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw the exact symptoms on another 160L SM. The guy had recently changed the condensers and wired them wrong. I assume that you have not changed anything so I assume either bad condensers or a short. Of course you could have an electric motor problem, but check out the condensers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Floow this link for additional info:
>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1219017177/lightbox/205999290?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/205999290
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> BeBe 387
>>>>> Carriacou
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:13 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown.  I can run all - 3 airs, charger, washer - simultaneity..  But when Dessalator is turned on generator shuts down.  No breakers on inside panel or on generator are thrown; generator just shuts down.. I can restart immediately but as soon as Dessalator is started it shuts down again.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried turning all off including charger and turning Dessalator alone on but same thing.  Specifically, when I turn on unit low pressure pump starts up and pressure gauge is in green.. It runs for a few seconds until high pressure pump starts which immediately causes generator to shut down.  I never touch the high pressure control knob which is turned all the way counterclockwise so there should be no pressure.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems as no brea kers are thrown on either gener ator or Dessalator, this must be water flow rela ted.  That is, not enough flow for both generator and Dessalator .  By the way, system has new high pressure hoses and membranes and worked well during first use after new membranes filling tank with good water just last week. However it did shut down once for no apparent reason on initial use. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could use some team help.
>>>>>> Thanks 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben Driver
>>>>>> La Bella Vita
>>>>>> SM #347
>>>>>> Dominica 
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
Interior Wood

J Wagam <jwagam@...>
 

Hi All,

I am replacing or repairing some of the woodwork in my 1986 Amel Mango. Does anybody have a recommendation on how to match the existing woodwork? Stain and varnish products that match? 

Also, we have been unable to find a brush or spray mark so I am wondering how they were able to get such a fantastic finish in the first place. 

Thank You
Jay
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