On May 30, 2016, at 23:48, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Yes I am not sure how else one would connect them, perhaps with a copper tie rather than S/S certainly one of the wires looked very corroded.

Andrew

SM 472

On 31 May 2016, at 05:28, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Amel connected almost of the bonding on Kimberlite with S/S hose clamps.

Haven’t had a problem in 14 years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:25 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

 

  

If you check that there is no continuity between the AC grounding (green/yellow) and the charger case AND there is no continuity between DC -ve and the charger case then it may be OK to connect it to the boat bonding. I would agree that the safest bet is to not connect the charger case to anything. 

 

The article that Bill Kinsey provided a link to is very good. Interesting that it says "Do you have wires attached to sea cocks with hose clamps? Forget it. This is putting stainless and copper together, which are galvanically incompatible and it won't work" - I found Amel had done this on a cock I changed under the holding tank in the forward head at the weekend.

 

Andrew

SM 472

 

Canet en Roussillon

 

On 30 May 2016, at 23:11, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Good advice, Kent.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On May 30, 2016 5:09 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Enio,

I would not connect anything to the "grounding" screw for now.  It should work fine.  If you think there might be a problem with the charger before you can find a qualified electrician, check with your multimeter for voltage between the case and the engine block before you touch anything that might give you a shock...or better yet, just charge with your engine until you find the right electrician.

 

My charger is NOT grounded to anything now.

 

I'm not an expert by any means, so please feel free to critique my advice, anyone.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy

"Currently" Bonaire

On May 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

  

Thanks friends for all details. But I'm not able to find a qualified electrician able to know the electrical system of an Amel boat, nor are able to figure it out myself. But I need to know if I have to connect somewhere the Sterling heart or not. Can someone tell me somethings in addiction to formal notice of Kent (thank you Kent) connect the host to the bonding system?  Thanks  Enio 

 

Amel connected almost of the bonding on Kimberlite with S/S hose clamps.

Haven’t had a problem in 14 years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:25 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kent !!!

 

 

If you check that there is no continuity between the AC grounding (green/yellow) and the charger case AND there is no continuity between DC -ve and the charger case then it may be OK to connect it to the boat bonding. I would agree that the safest bet is to not connect the charger case to anything. 

 

The article that Bill Kinsey provided a link to is very good. Interesting that it says "Do you have wires attached to sea cocks with hose clamps? Forget it. This is putting stainless and copper together, which are galvanically incompatible and it won't work" - I found Amel had done this on a cock I changed under the holding tank in the forward head at the weekend.

 

Andrew

SM 472

 

Canet en Roussillon

 

On 30 May 2016, at 23:11, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good advice, Kent.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 30, 2016 5:09 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Enio,

I would not connect anything to the "grounding" screw for now.  It should work fine.  If you think there might be a problem with the charger before you can find a qualified electrician, check with your multimeter for voltage between the case and the engine block before you touch anything that might give you a shock...or better yet, just charge with your engine until you find the right electrician.

 

My charger is NOT grounded to anything now.

 

I'm not an expert by any means, so please feel free to critique my advice, anyone.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy

"Currently" Bonaire

On May 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks friends for all details. But I'm not able to find a qualified electrician able to know the electrical system of an Amel boat, nor are able to figure it out myself. But I need to know if I have to connect somewhere the Sterling heart or not. Can someone tell me somethings in addiction to formal notice of Kent (thank you Kent) connect the host to the bonding system?  Thanks  Enio 

 

Good advice, Kent.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On May 30, 2016 5:09 PM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Enio,

I would not connect anything to the "grounding" screw for now.  It should work fine.  If you think there might be a problem with the charger before you can find a qualified electrician, check with your multimeter for voltage between the case and the engine block before you touch anything that might give you a shock...or better yet, just charge with your engine until you find the right electrician.

My charger is NOT grounded to anything now.

I'm not an expert by any means, so please feel free to critique my advice, anyone.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy

"Currently" Bonaire

On May 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks friends for all details. But I'm not able to find a qualified electrician able to know the electrical system of an Amel boat, nor are able to figure it out myself. But I need to know if I have to connect somewhere the Sterling heart or not. Can someone tell me somethings in addiction to formal notice of Kent (thank you Kent) connect the host to the bonding system?  Thanks  Enio 

 

Enio,

I would not connect anything to the "grounding" screw for now.  It should work fine.  If you think there might be a problem with the charger before you can find a qualified electrician, check with your multimeter for voltage between the case and the engine block before you touch anything that might give you a shock...or better yet, just charge with your engine until you find the right electrician.

My charger is NOT grounded to anything now.

I'm not an expert by any means, so please feel free to critique my advice, anyone.

Kent

SM 243

Kristy

"Currently" Bonaire

On May 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks friends for all details. But I'm not able to find a qualified electrician able to know the electrical system of an Amel boat, nor are able to figure it out myself. But I need to know if I have to connect somewhere the Sterling heart or not. Can someone tell me somethings in addiction to formal notice of Kent (thank you Kent) connect the host to the bonding system?  Thanks  Enio 

 

Thanks Bill, Walter, and Olivier.  I think this is enough info to get the spares that I need.

  Mark Pitt

 Sabbatical III, ASM #419, Carloforte, Italy

 

Does the onan have a protection system that shuts it down if the salt water cooling has inadequate flow? If so this could be the cause as the dessalator takes water from the same source, the sea chest.

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

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From: "Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2016 2:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

 

I will check out those condensers.  I just don't know how generator can shut down without throwing a breaker?

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

CG #1120066

SM #347

On May 30, 2016, at 8:23 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ben,

OK, you know how difficult it is to diagnose something by email, but, I will risk being wrong:

Your problem is centered around the High Pressure pump motor. I am going to guess that the pair of condensers on top of that motor are either bad or there is a short in the wiring there.

I saw the exact symptoms on another 160L SM. The guy had recently changed the condensers and wired them wrong. I assume that you have not changed anything so I assume either bad condensers or a short. Of course you could have an electric motor problem, but check out the condensers.

Floow this link for additional info:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1219017177/lightbox/205999290?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/205999290

Let me know if this helps.

Bill

BeBe 387

Carriacou

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:13 PM, joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown.  I can run all - 3 airs, charger, washer - simultaneity..  But when Dessalator is turned on generator shuts down.  No breakers on inside panel or on generator are thrown; generator just shuts down.. I can restart immediately but as soon as Dessalator is started it shuts down again.  

I tried turning all off including charger and turning Dessalator alone on but same thing.  Specifically, when I turn on unit low pressure pump starts up and pressure gauge is in green.. It runs for a few seconds until high pressure pump starts which immediately causes generator to shut down.  I never touch the high pressure control knob which is turned all the way counterclockwise so there should be no pressure.  

It seems as no breakers are thrown on either gener ator or Dessalator, this must be water flow rela ted.  That is, not enough flow for both generator and Dessalator .  By the way, system has new high pressure hoses and membranes and worked well during first use after new membranes filling tank with good water just last week. However it did shut down once for no apparent reason on initial use. 

I could use some team help.

Thanks 

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Dominica 

 

I don't understand how a faulty motor causes the generator to shut down without throwing a breaker.  Can someone elucidate?

Kent

SM 243

Kristy

On May 30, 2016, at 9:22 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I would check the capacitors on the high pressure pump.

That’s my best guess- unless there is a short in the motor or wiring.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 9:11 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

 

 

No. Only that generator shuts down

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

CG #1120066

SM #347

On May 30, 2016, at 8:16 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Do you know how much current the water maker is drawing just before it shuts down?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 8:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown

 

 

Dessalator 160 causes generator to shutdown but no breakers thrown.  I can run all - 3 airs, charger, washer - simultaneity.  But when Dessalator is turned on generator shuts down.  No breakers on inside panel or on generator are thrown; generator just shuts down. I can restart immediately but as soon as Dessalator is started it shuts down again.  

 

I tried turning all off including charger and turning Dessalator alone on but same thing.  Specifically, when I turn on unit low pressure pump starts up and pressure gauge is in green.. It runs for a few seconds until high pressure pump starts which immediately causes generator to shut down.  I never touch the high pressure control knob which is turned all the way counterclockwise so there should be no pressure.  

 

It seems as no breakers are thrown on either generator or Dessalator, this must be water flow related.  That is, not enough flow for both generator and Dessalator .  By the way, system has new high pressure hoses and membranes and worked well during first use after new membranes filling tank with good water just last week. However it did shut down once for no apparent reason on initial use. 

 

I could use some team help.

Thanks 

 

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347

Dominica 

 

 

Bill,

Yes, I assumed that Richard was talking about older boats.

I simply asked where the seacock was located. You answered my question.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On May 30, 2016 11:59 AM, "Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

Richard is talking about older boats that have a local seawater supply to the fore and aft heads.  In both cases there are seacocks just outside the head in the “hallway”.

In later models Amel added the toilet feeds to the main seachest.

Bill Kinney

Harmonie, SM160

Port Canaveral, Florida

On May 30, 2016, at 11:03, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Richard,

Where is that seacock?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On May 30, 2016 9:54 AM, "Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

There is a salt water feed sea cock to the forward head. That hose can leak and the old hose clamps fail with time. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All

Capt Richard 

RP Yacht Brokerage

Newport RI 

We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 29, 2016, at 23:42, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Eric has a Santorin, not sure of hull number.  No air conditioners, so most likely the bow thruster.  There are some good instructions on how to tweak the tension on the cable, I think in the files section.  I found that if I use a sealant around the lip seal, and pack the seal with waterproof grease, it lasts a lot longer.

Other possibilities are chain wash pump connections, and chain locker drain connections or valve.

Those with Air Conditioning could have a leak in the cooling pump system.  Anything that leaks forward of the bulkhead will accumulate there.

Where are y'all now?  Still on the Chesapeake?

Kent

SM243

Kristy&nbs p;

Currently Bonaire 

On May 29, 2016, at 4:18 PM, ericmeury@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I'm sure this has been discussed before but.

Why is there salt water accumulating in the bilge area in front of my, i just replaced the bow thruster seals these are brand new.

Any other ideas?  Bow locker?