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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Marine Electronics: Combine Old & New

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

I just completed an integration of a Zeus 2 into my existing Hydra 2000 utilizing NMEA 0183 bus.  All H2000 functions were fed into Zeus 2.  As I had two NMEA compliant H2000  panels (one at helm and one at Nav station), It gave me an additional NMEA 0183 port so I was able to integrate my old Ray-marine ST7000+ heading into Zeus 2 .  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Dec 10, 2015, at 8:03 AM, James Studdart james.studdart@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill, did you mean to say that the triton is NMEA2000? It's the first I've heard of a 3000. I believe some of the B&G plotters can forward sentences from NMEA 0183 to 2000. The usefulness of those sentences may vary though! I'm going to try exactly this (when I find the right boat) with the Vesper Marine AIS transponder (it can also forward sentences) and/or possibly a B&G plotter.

Cheers,
James.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:59 AM yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

BTW, I checked with Tinley regarding the integration of the newest generation of B&G, Triton instruments with Hydra 2000. Unfortunately,Triton, is NMEA 3000 and cannot be integrated with Hydra 2000.

I really like some of the Triton touch screen devices. Maybe someday Tinley will make one of their "black boxes" which allows this integration.


Bill
BeBe 387
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Marine Electronics: Combine Old & New

James Studdart
 

Bill, did you mean to say that the triton is NMEA2000? It's the first I've heard of a 3000. I believe some of the B&G plotters can forward sentences from NMEA 0183 to 2000. The usefulness of those sentences may vary though! I'm going to try exactly this (when I find the right boat) with the Vesper Marine AIS transponder (it can also forward sentences) and/or possibly a B&G plotter.

Cheers,
James.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:59 AM yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

BTW, I checked with Tinley regarding the integration of the newest generation of B&G, Triton instruments with Hydra 2000. Unfortunately,Triton, is NMEA 3000 and cannot be integrated with Hydra 2000.

I really like some of the Triton touch screen devices. Maybe someday Tinley will make one of their "black boxes" which allows this integration.


Bill
BeBe 387
Re: New Specification for Super Maramu (and others) Outhaul line

Alan Leslie
 

I replaced my outhaul line with 12 mm Vectran last year on the advice of Phil Ash...the Anderson line tender can easily take 12mm and it offers much better grip. I have had not had any problems since with the outhaul line slipping
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

amelyachtowners@...
 

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svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
New Specification for Super Maramu (and others) Outhaul line

yahoogroups@...
 

I attempted to find an exact replacement for the original Amel installed Kevlar 10mm outhaul line, but was unsuccessful.  I exchanged several emails with Maud at La Rochelle regarding the Main Boom outhaul line on a Super Maramu. I learned from Maud that the new specification for this line is: Vectran/Dyneema diameter 12 mm 10 meters.

I will update the Excel file for Running Rigging in the Files section.


BTW, I suspect that this would be the same for all furling systems on all Amels through the 55...not sure about the 64.


Bill
BeBe SM 387
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changes to Yahoo

Mike Johnson
 

Good Morning Everyone,

I agree with Bill's proposed folder structure.  I would also suggest the following:

1.  Is a separate folder required for manufacturer's manuals or should they be in a sub-section of each folder?

2.  I strongly concur that a file naming policy should be agreed.  Personally all my files start with the date in the order yymmdd (151210 = 10 December 2015) which allows very easy date order sorting.  This is normally followed by a shortened folder name, subject and index number i.e. 151210 Engine Starting1.
Another consideration is how will the site be moderated?

Gary appreciate all the thought and hard work you are putting into the proposed which will benefit all Amel owners.

Best wishes

Mike & Peta
Solitude
SM2K #461



On Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:55 AM, "yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Gary, Andrew, and all:

When organizing this new site you might want to keep in mind a couple of things.
  1. If we allow users to post files and photos anywhere, it will turn into a mess that will not be useful.
  2. I believe that photos should only be posted to show a feature, solution, or problem...not a "gee whiz, look at my pretty boat."
  3. Files and some Photos may be a challenge for the casual developer because of the ability to upload an executable file to destroy our data. Security measures are important. Possible some volunteer moderators could help with this...I am not sure.
  4. I recommend a Folder Structure for "Files & Photos" (yes, combined) which would be something like:
    1. Main Engine
    2. C Drive/Shaft/Transmission
    3. Generator
    4. Pumps
    5. Heads
    6. Rigging & Sails
    7. Deck (anchor/davits/winches/passerelle)
    8. Hull
    9. Instruments (autopilot/radar /chart plotter/all navigation)
    10. Interior (upholstery/finish/storage)
    11. AC/Heat
    12. Appliances (washer/dryer/dishwasher)
    13. Refrigeration
    14. DC systems
    15. 220AC systems
  5. Then, if we want to have another folder for (MY BOAT), users could upload anything else as long as it would not fit into one of the above. If we do this, any user wanting to see everything uploaded as a file or photo under a particular subject folder.
  6. I strongly recommend that we establish some rules for naming files and photos when they are uploaded. We currently have hundreds of uploaded photos with either no name, a name that makes no sense, or the owner's boat name. If today I am searching for "C Drive," I will miss all those not properly named.
I would be happy to help sort out and organize the current Files and Photos.

I am sure that I missed an important category in 1-15 above.

Bill
B eBe 387
Re: Marine Electronics: Combine Old & New

yahoogroups@...
 

BTW, I checked with Tinley regarding the integration of the newest generation of B&G, Triton instruments with Hydra 2000. Unfortunately,Triton, is NMEA 3000 and cannot be integrated with Hydra 2000.

I really like some of the Triton touch screen devices. Maybe someday Tinley will make one of their "black boxes" which allows this integration.

Bill
BeBe 387
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changes to Yahoo

yahoogroups@...
 

Gary, Andrew, and all:

When organizing this new site you might want to keep in mind a couple of things.
  1. If we allow users to post files and photos anywhere, it will turn into a mess that will not be useful.
  2. I believe that photos should only be posted to show a feature, solution, or problem...not a "gee whiz, look at my pretty boat."
  3. Files and some Photos may be a challenge for the casual developer because of the ability to upload an executable file to destroy our data. Security measures are important. Possible some volunteer moderators could help with this...I am not sure.
  4. I recommend a Folder Structure for "Files & Photos" (yes, combined) which would be something like:
    1. Main Engine
    2. C Drive/Shaft/Transmission
    3. Generator
    4. Pumps
    5. Heads
    6. Rigging & Sails
    7. Deck (anchor/davits/winches/passerelle)
    8. Hull
    9. Instruments (autopilot/radar/chart plotter/all navigation)
    10. Interior (upholstery/finish/storage)
    11. AC/Heat
    12. Appliances (washer/dryer/dishwasher)
    13. Refrigeration
    14. DC systems
    15. 220AC systems
  5. Then, if we want to have another folder for (MY BOAT), users could upload anything else as long as it would not fit into one of the above. If we do this, any user wanting to see everything uploaded as a file or photo under a particular subject folder.
  6. I strongly recommend that we establish some rules for naming files and photos when they are uploaded. We currently have hundreds of uploaded photos with either no name, a name that makes no sense, or the owner's boat name. If today I am searching for "C Drive," I will miss all those not properly named.
I would be happy to help sort out and organize the current Files and Photos.

I am sure that I missed an important category in 1-15 above.

Bill
BeBe 387
Re: Dinghy air leak

yahoogroups@...
 

Including the 3 in this thread, I had 12 people recommend a liquid leak stopper poured into the tubes and rotating the dinghy. All of the 12 had a slow leak that could not be found. All of the 12 successfully used this method on older dinghies, gaining at least two more years of service. There are multiple products available for this, including acrylic, latex, and some mystery stuff. There was not a consensus of which product to use, but each of the products used by the 12 people worked for them.

When I arrive in Martinique next month I will see what product/brand is available and give it a try.

Thanks for all of the input.

Bill
BeBe 387
Tenerife, Canary Islands
Re: Bow thruster motor repair?

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Ric,
     The thruster motor will come out through the cabin but your problems as always will be breaking it from the shaft. If you can get it free from the shaft then it is easy enough - except it weighs around 76lbs!

You need to be careful not to move the limit switches on the adjacent perpendicular stainless steel bar when extracting it,

A  good rewind shop should be able to sort out the motor.

Be very careful to clearly mark the cable that feed the motor as when you take it away the will tend to spring all over the place.

Sorry I can't advise you re. San Juan.

Good luck.

Trevor

Seafever of Cuan
Mexico SM 425
Bow thruster motor repair?

Rick Grimes
 

This is a Hail Mary but I'm looking to get my bow thruster motor rebuilt somewhere in San Juan, PR. My boat is in the water at Sun Bay Marina in Fajardo.  There are three or four electric motor companies that come up in a search but I have no clue who might do the work.  Does anyone have any experience with anyone in Puerto Rico who might point me in the right direction--or any advice about what to look for? 


Also, can anyone walk me through the steps to remove the bow thruster motor while keeping the bow thruster in place (while boat is in the water) if this is doable?


Steve and Liz Davis of Aloha are here and have been helping me troubleshoot and I have been corresponding with Beaute Olivier offline (who has been great).  We have concluded that the problem is in the motor itself.  I was getting a blue arc when engaging the joystick--and no motor.  After eliminating potential issues related to the magnetic switches (e.g., bypassing the SP switch with a shunt), we measured the amps and volts when engaged for two seconds. It was drawing 511 amps when engaged and dropping from 26v to 21v with heat and smoke coming from the motor itself.  Conclusion: something wrong with the motor--possibly bushings or worse.  


I saw the posts from Dr Lamb? but his work (stripping down the motor and innovating a fix) is way above my skill set so I am left with taking the motor somewhere to have it repaired...


Thoughts anyone?


Rick Grimes

S/V Rascal

SM2K (#404)
Re: Marine Electronics: Combine Old & New

eljaroellinghoff@...
 

He Daniel
It is righit , on my SM 222 BJ 98 i have to install a new auto pilot and i change the sytem from raymarine to B&G because it is possible to take the information from the Hydra 2000 ,wind direktion and speed ,
to the new Plotter and pilot fron B&G .

Best Elja
SY Balu
SM 222
Greece
Marine Electronics: Combine Old & New

danielmfrey63@...
 

When I bought my AMEL Santorin No 64 (1992) with the name "Heureka" two years ago, all the original electronic equipment was still installed. After I had found out, that some B&G hardware can be upgraded, I sent my Hydra 330 main processor and the NMEA FFD to Tinley Electronics in the UK (www.tinleyelectronics.com), an official B&G repair center. Tinley El. upgraded the software from 3.X to version 9.3, which is equivalent to Hydra 2000. So, Heureka's B&G Equipment made a time jump of over 10 years from 1992 to 2004... Additionally I replaced among other things the original GPS ("Valsat 01"...) and the chart plotter ("PAN Navigator Dana 5000"...) with the brand new B&G Zeus2 7 and integrated it into the existing B&G system via NMEA 0183. For me one of the nice things of this "old fashioned" communications protocol is, that old and new electronic equipment very often can be combined. Sometimes it doesn't work, because it seems, that NMEA 0183 isn't always NMEA 0183. And this is the main reason for this post, to inform the group that based on my experience Zeus 2 works very well with "old" B&G systems. (A picture of the new navigation corner is uploaded.)

Best - Daniel
"Heureka" - Santorin No 64 (1992)

Kuşadası, Turkey
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine Problems Amel 54

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Jamie,
          is there syphon break  fitted to that Volvo and if so how is it plumbed?
Trevor
Seafever
Mexico
SM425
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changes to Yahoo

ldesalvo@...
 

Count me in I will certainly make a contribution and I agree it should
be an annual fee. But with the first 6 to 12 months free to encourage new individuals to see what the Amel owners group is all about.

Jim DeSalvo, s/v liebling, SM#207

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi All,
being a non tech I am not enthusiastic about changing. What we have works for me. I don't have the need to access all and everything instantly at the touch of one button. I find what I need when I need it. I guess over the last 6 years I have used the site as much as most.
If individuals who set it up have changed circumstances who will maintain it. Every time I buy a new whiz bang computer with the latest program it is a total pain working around all the latest features. I like it simple.
That's me
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

From: "jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 2015 7:42 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo

 
If this would cost money it should be sustainable so that it doesn't fizzle out if key people retire or move on or get fed up with the hassle......Being a non-techie... what about some sort of cloud-funding.... One finds information here for free that saves a small fortune and one makes a contribution. The value of one's boat is increased by having such helpful brand support - one makes a contribution etc.. Those that are able and willing make a regular contribution etc.
 
Maybe some transparent support (minus any editorial control) from commercial interest such as key suppliers or brokers or (dreaming) Amel themselves, should be an option. A moderator could every year put on the site a summary of the operating policy and incomings and costs with some transparent compensation for their time and effort. Ideally with many contributors only a very small sum from each person would be needed.
 
Obviously some complications here, and ideally it',s all done voluntarily, but if this information migrates to an independant forum what happens down the line?
 
John, Maramu #91 1981 Popeye
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changes to Yahoo

sailor63109@...
 

I respectfully disagree with charging an annual fee.  I've already said I would provide some financial support so its not the money.  We want people who might be considering an Amel to join the forum and see what a great boat it is, and how much support is available.  This could easily have an impact on the resale value and popularity of the boat.

If we go that route, I would want us to offer a 12 month free membership.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dinghy air leak

rossirossix4
 

Hi Bill,  The liquid leak solution has worked  very well for us.  We actually bought an Avon with a very slow leak and the owner had a bottle of the stuff (cannot remember the name) but had not used it.   I think it was about 500 ml.  Not only has it sealed the leak COMPLETELY for 1.5 years+ but when we applied it the white latexy stuff bubbled out the leak to show it where it was.  Remember to tumble the dinghy around to let it coat all possible surfaces.  Chances are it is on the bottom of the stern but that is just an educated guess.  If it does bubble out then leave that place in the lowest position for 48 hours.  The bubbling will stop, and as I tell my nieces and nephews....."Bob's your Uncle".
Bob SM 429 KAIMI
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Changes to Yahoo

Jim Watkins
 

Count me in  I will certainly make a contribution and I agree it should be an annual fee

On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 To all interested,
                                Happy to persevere with yahoo but if they do change,  please count us in too.

Ian and Judy Pen Azen  SM 302, Greece

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 08:03:45 -0800
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo



Andrew et al.

I am in to be a "founding member" financially - both startup costs and by subscription.  I suggest that the subscription, if it comes to that, be yearly rather than monthly, but will go with the flow of what everyone else wants to do.  I have very little tech expertise.  My one request is that for the new site the text, not just the subject lines or album names or file names, is fully searchable.  Please no advertising if at all possible!

Derick Gates
SM2K#400 Brava
Re: current cost of ACMO rigging for Super Maramu

alainfeuillet@...
 

Mark,
I got my rigging replaced in Marmais two years ago. You will find the bill in the file section folder "UK sails _Silver standing rig". They did a rapid, efficient, professional job in a pleasant way of working. The quote included everything for instance mast removal, nylon spacers at spreder level, rigging and sea testing ... Their wires were from Petersen  Stainless Rigging Ltd UK  made by Westfälicsche Drahtindustrie Gmbh and turnbuckles from HiMod UK.
Cheers
Alain (PILGRIM)
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