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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo
Andrew,
I followed your lead and downloaded all the messages into an SQLite database...but what to do with them as you say, I'm not sure I think that probably we need a website where we can deposit all this stuff...of course that requires a domain name, and someone has to pay for that, there was a volunteer I believe... I too would chip in some $s to get that established...this a much too valuable resource to lose Let me know how I can help... Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] coppercoat - best or worst you can do - - experience?
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
JP, tropical waters never cool down and the marine growth in tropical waters compared to the med is like a dinosaur compared to a lizard. Bill BeBe 387 On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo
Andrew & Kate Lamb
I managed to get the PG Offline Files and photos download to work and have copied all of the current files and photos to my dropbox account – the link to this folder is https://www.dropbox.com/sh/irrgt27jzbkeh0k/AAAiB8Xzku2n4MS0RwHrhTrDa?dl=0
I have also downloaded all the messages into an SQLLite database – not sure what to do with these but I guess one approach would be to export each topic into a separate word document as a list of the messages chronologically and then perhaps we could disseminate these documents for editing if others wanted to contribute in the editing process? – perhaps this could be part of an archive feature of the new forum?
A word of caution about developing a new forum from scratch – the French Amel group had at least one incidence where the forum was hacked and data lost or stolen. It would seem to me that if possible we utilize an existing tried and tested forum and use the skills in this group to adapt the existing content and the forum to our needs rather than re-inventing the wheel.
Andrew
Ronpische SM2k 472 Canet en Roussillion, France
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
I would like to echo Aras's sentiments about planning for a revised group format. Others have also suggested general criteria or features that make sense. I am sure I share the opinion of many: if those who can, will, those of us who cannot should be supportive. This resource is too valuable to lose.
Jeff LAST TANGO
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] coppercoat - best or worst you can do - - experience?
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Hi Bill,
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Glad there are opinions in this forum.. boring otherwise. I don’t know what you classify as tropical climates but the water temps in GR and TK were in the 30C range. OAT’s ranged up to 44C… it was hot! Thread drift… you still in Canaries? Cheers, Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] coppercoat - best or worst you can do - - experience?
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
JP, As far as I know Micron is not illegal to use. The issue is that International replaced Micron66 with Micron77 in Europe. Micron77 is better because fresh water does not affect its abilities. In the US and countries that follow the US, the EPA has not approved Micron77. In fact since Obama has been president, the EPA has not approved anything new. Therefore, you will not find Micron77 in the US (or countries that follow the US EPA), but will still find Micron66. I agree that coppercoat is better and less problematic in Europe and cooler waters. The photo link I provided was taken in tropical climate. I hope this clears things up. Bill BeBe 387 On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] coppercoat - best or worst you can do - - experience?
Mike Johnson
Hi Chris, We Copper Coated 2 years ago using an approved agent in France. So far we are very pleased with the result. Ask me again in 10 years! Very best wishes Mike & Peta Solitude SM 2K #461
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] coppercoat - best or worst you can do - - experience?
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
I have not, but someone I know applied coppercoat at the same time I applied Micron. Here is a link to the photo: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/643381218/lightbox/861810734?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/861810734 Coppercoat requires periodic cleaning...depending on where the boat is located can be up to 4 times a year. If you enjoy scraping your hull, it is probably right for you. Bill BeBe 387
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] coppercoat - best or worst you can do - - experience?
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Hello Chris,
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We’ve had it on 2 boats and have had excellent results. Ig you go to YBW forums, you will find lots of info. For the Med, it has been great… you can actually see the sliding marks left by the barnies as they are swept off the hull. On the other hand, Micron 66 is supposedly very good where it is not illegal to use it. Not avail in EU AFAIK. Good luck, Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, Amel Super Maramu 007
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coppercoat - best or worst you can do - - experience?
christoph.kasper@...
Hi, my Santorin needs a new antifouling - now I want to have some informations about the original coppercoat - my interest is not to iniciate a big discussion - what I would like to hear is whether anyone has made an experience with coppercoat and serious knowledge - not ideologies and opinions...... ;-) thanks a lot Chris
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Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
There is no breaker for the bowthruster power...see SM Electrical snapshot just posted
Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo
Jeff Wingfield <ki4jde@...>
I would like to echo Aras's sentiments about planning for a revised group format. Others have also suggested general criteria or features that make sense. I am sure I share the opinion of many: if those who can, will, those of us who cannot should be supportive. This resource is too valuable to lose. Jeff LAST TANGO
On Dec 7, 2015, at 14:14, n33077@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib furler dis-assembly and re-assembly
Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
Aras, I have a different jib furler than most Amels. Was told it was built by a Swiss watch maker. However, I found that Annapolis Rigging at Bert Jabins Yard has an older furler, the 52’4” foil and the top swivel. Furler is frozen, but might be worth the motor & parts. Offer them $200 for the works. Mine was rebuilt by John of ESP. All the best Ric BaliHai SN24 Annapolis
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Good afternoon folks,
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Re: Prop Shaft Electrolysis
sailor63109@...
Guindeau (fr.) = Windlass (english)
Quote: Kent Robertson
Dec 6 2:46 PM
Thank
you gentlemen. I think the two breakers in the forward port locker
marked Guindeau (or something like that) are for the windlass controls
and a larger one that supplies the windlass motor and job furler. Two
others are for the mainsail furler (Matt?) and outhaul (bome). I haven't found one for the thruster...I think Andrew's right. Kent SM 243 Kristy
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Re: Changes to Yahoo
sailor63109@...
I would be more than happy to contribute, what a great resource this is!
What about setting it up on something like Patreon.com for ongoing financial support? Duane Wanderer, SM#477 Currently Brunswick, GA
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Re: Changes to Yahoo
Rick Grimes
Fabulous, Gary. Thanks for stepping up to take the lead on this. I am happy to pony up some bucks and to give some time as well. Let me know what you might need from me.
Rick Grimes S/V Rascal SM2K #404
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Changes to Yahoo
n33077@...
In my brief and humble experience on this site; I would gladly welcome an improved format. Should be searchable by boat type (eg. Sharki, Santorin, Maramu, etc) or by system (e.g. electric furlers, water, electric, etc.) with sub-catagories. A nice history page(s) would also be very cool as well as articles published.
We could also add a travel blog section for those who wish to regail us of stories beyond our local horizons... Perspective buyers could access the history and read about the boats and gain some insight of suitability [if the boat is for them]. Yes, there is tons of info, but sometimes difficult to find, unless your are currently doing what everyone else is. Re-organizing would also allow us to fill in the gaps where there is scant information. Joel, Olivier, BeBe, Kimberlite, et al who are the most prolific contributors to maintenance would benefit from repeating themselves. I would benefit by finding stuff and being able to contribute my Sharki's info and experience to the site. Regards, Aras
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Jib furler dis-assembly and re-assembly
n33077@...
Good afternoon folks,
On my Sharki I have an original Amel furler (Bonfigliolli worm gear oil filled and motor). the seals are shot and leaking. I had a rigger come by and take down the furler; now it's horizontal. I have exploded view diagram of the assembly, but no instructions on how to remove it from the jib stay, and foil. I am wondering if anyone has those or could describe to me the process of dis-assembly and reassembly. I also read here about greasing the foil [I'm presuming the inside]. One of the changes I would to do is use grease instead of 90 weight gear oil on the worm gear. The leak has made a terrible mess on deck and furthermore it is a pain to keep it filled. I think once the seals are replaced I shan't have that problem anymore. I'm also concurrently servicing the the boom and main mast electric furlers. I sent the electric motors to be re-wound and renewed. I'll be replacing the Bonfigliolli worm gears [according to them they more or less throw away parts once worn out]. Cost for Bonfigliollis are about $250 each (MV / VF models). So any thoughts directions, pictures and the like would be greatly appreciated. Aras S/V FIasco Sharki #163
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Survey
Thomas Janicki <tbjanicki@...>
I was told the control board was bad...I am glad I asked about the boat on this group, all have been helpful. I will contact Joel. thank you Thomas On Monday, December 7, 2015 11:29 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: Thomas, Did you look at the bow thruster? It is held UP by a piece of wood. There is all sorts of mystery wiring all over this boat. I would plan on a complete new bow thruster (if you can get one from Amel), new engine, new C Drive, New Generator, new battery chargers, new batteries, new instruments, new sails, new running rigging, new standing rigging, new interior coverings, new refrigeration and about 1-2 years of personal effort. Then add about $25,000 for surprises, and add what ever berth and insurance will cost for 2 years. Thomas, you should contact Joel Potter. Joel sells used Amels and has sold more Amels than anyone in the world. Joel Potter att.net> Bill BeBe 387
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Survey
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Thomas, Did you look at the bow thruster? It is held UP by a piece of wood. There is all sorts of mystery wiring all over this boat. I would plan on a complete new bow thruster (if you can get one from Amel), new engine, new C Drive, New Generator, new battery chargers, new batteries, new instruments, new sails, new running rigging, new standing rigging, new interior coverings, new refrigeration and about 1-2 years of personal effort. Then add about $25,000 for surprises, and add what ever berth and insurance will cost for 2 years. Thomas, you should contact Joel Potter. Joel sells used Amels and has sold more Amels than anyone in the world. Joel Potter att.net> Bill BeBe 387
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Thomas Janicki tbjanicki@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Survey
Thomas Janicki <tbjanicki@...>
Thank you for the information. You have confirmed my suspicions. I spent an hour+ looking over the boat on my hands and knees taking notes. I to noted the oil in the bilge and was very concerned. Many little indications of neglect. I feel bad for the current owner. He is not in a position to do any repairs. Your estimate to bring this boat up to snuff is what I was worried about. I have a small machine shop in Tomball Tx I am trying to sell to help fund our goals, that would have killed it! again thank you back to looking... Thomas On Monday, December 7, 2015 10:36 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: Thomas and Kimberly, I am from Houston and I know the boat well. I recently checked this boat out for another potential buyer. At the time, I estimated that the cost to bring this Super Maramu up to my standards was between $150,000 and 250,000. That is a large range because there were many costly things that could not be checked, like why the gray water bilge was full of motor oil. I would run very fast from this boat. If you want more information, email me at crew"at"svbebe.com Bill Rouse BeBe 387 Currently at Tenerife, Canary Islands.
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Thomas Janicki tbjanicki@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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