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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

karkauai
 

Thanks for posting this interesting article. They say that a full keel mitigates the drag, so I wonder how much difference it makes with our non-fin/modified full keel.  My experience with the fixed vs MaxProp is not a scientific evaluation, but does seem to indicate roughly half-know better speed under sail with the MaxProp.  The article shows a fairly large side thrust with the MaxProp, but I haven't noticed much propwalk with the AutoProp, fixed, or MaxProp.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


From: "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2015 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mcaneny
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Jun 4, 2015 7:47 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

Kent, No you probably did not waste your money, the test results showed that a feathering prop decreased drag significantly over a spinning fixed prop and a folding prop's drag could not even be measured it was so low. I will have Diane post the test . It showed that the Flexofold had best thrust and very low drag, wonder if they would fit on a SM.  Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
Interesting Pat,
Seems to me that a freewheeling prop could wear out the drive, while a prop that is not turning wouldn't cause any damage at all unless you hit something with it (highly unlikely on our boats).

It's hard to evaluate the difference between a fixed prop, freewheeling fixed pitch prop, and folding or feathering prop, as wind and wave conditions are always changing.  I used a fixed pitch prop for a year and always put the engine in gear while sailing.  When I put my feathering MaxProp on I think I gained an average of about a half knot while sailing in varied conditions.  I always put the transmission in gear long enough to feather the prop, then put it back in neutral while sailing.
If it's OK to let it freewheel, there must not be a significant difference in boat speed...so maybe I wasted a bundle on my MaxProp, eh?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

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On Jun 3, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I just read another study that also determined that a fixed prop created more than twice as much drag as a freewheeling prop. But what I want to relate is that this article claimed that Yanmar and Volvo both believe that the transmissions should be in neutral to prevent damage and could cause warranty issues .I do not know if that is true ,if concerned you may want to speak to a rep. Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 10:21 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
Just as I sent  my question about fixed vs. unfixed props to the group , my wife sent me the results of her google search . Yachting monthly said that this subject had been debated for decades so they conducted tests that determined that a spinning prop produced less than half the drag of a fixed prop. That at seven knots you would lose approx. one knot while fixed. That seems to jive with what I experienced.  Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 9:26 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
 We have a fixed prop due to the original owner opting for the prop driven alternator  , which I have dismantled since my solar panels and wind generator supplies all the electric I need. I have been told, that it is more efficient from the standpoint of drag for a prop to be fixed opposed to be freewheeling, from a pilot who's opinion I respect. While sailing I do not like to switch in and out of gear due to the loud clunk that sounds as though it could damage the transmission, so its hard to experiment to draw conclusions. However we just sailed back from the BVIs via Bermuda and we were in gear fixed and then I put it in neutral and it seemed that we picked up a knot. I never put it back in gear as we were sailing too fast and for the next three days we averaged 173 nms. with true wind avg. 12 - 16 . Could someone that is knowledgeable about props and drag tell me which is more efficient  ? I am also concerned about wear on the transmis sion while freewheeling .
Thanks, Pat SM  Shenanigans



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

Patrick McAneny
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mcaneny
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Jun 4, 2015 7:47 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

Kent, No you probably did not waste your money, the test results showed that a feathering prop decreased drag significantly over a spinning fixed prop and a folding prop's drag could not even be measured it was so low. I will have Diane post the test . It showed that the Flexofold had best thrust and very low drag, wonder if they would fit on a SM.  Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
Interesting Pat,
Seems to me that a freewheeling prop could wear out the drive, while a prop that is not turning wouldn't cause any damage at all unless you hit something with it (highly unlikely on our boats).

It's hard to evaluate the difference between a fixed prop, freewheeling fixed pitch prop, and folding or feathering prop, as wind and wave conditions are always changing.  I used a fixed pitch prop for a year and always put the engine in gear while sailing.  When I put my feathering MaxProp on I think I gained an average of about a half knot while sailing in varied conditions.  I always put the transmission in gear long enough to feather the prop, then put it back in neutral while sailing.
If it's OK to let it freewheel, there must not be a significant difference in boat speed...so maybe I wasted a bundle on my MaxProp, eh?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

Sent from my iPhon e

On Jun 3, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I just read another study that also determined that a fixed prop created more than twice as much drag as a freewheeling prop. But what I want to relate is that this article claimed that Yanmar and Volvo both believe that the transmissions should be in neutral to prevent damage and could cause warranty issues .I do not know if that is true ,if concerned you may want to speak to a rep. Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 10:21 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
Just as I sent  my question about fixed vs. unfixed props to the group , my wife sent me the results of her google search . Yachting monthly said that this subject had been debated for decades so they conducted tests that determined that a spinning prop produced less than half the drag of a fixed prop. That at seven knots you would lose approx. one knot while fixed. That seems to jive with what I experienced.  Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 9:26 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
 We have a fixed prop due to the original owner opting for the prop driven alternator  , which I have dismantled since my solar panels and wind generator supplies all the electric I need. I have been told, that it is more efficient from the standpoint of drag for a prop to be fixed opposed to be freewheeling, from a pilot who's opinion I respect. While sailing I do not like to switch in and out of gear due to the loud clunk that sounds as though it could damage the transmission, so its hard to experiment to draw conclusions. However we just sailed back from the BVIs via Bermuda and we were in gear fixed and then I put it in neutral and it seemed that we picked up a knot. I never put it back in gear as we were sailing too fast and for the next three days we averaged 173 nms. with true wind avg. 12 - 16 . Could someone that is knowledgeable about props and drag tell me which is more efficient  ? I am also concerned about wear on the transmis sion while freewheeling .
Thanks, Pat SM  Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

Patrick McAneny
 

Jean, I have  read on this site that no damage is done by allowing the prop to freewheel, indeed Amel sold the boat with a shaft charging system which requires the prop to freewheel. However, I have always worried about wear , it just seems logical that if something is moving ,its wearing. I would value knowing what Oliver's thoughts are on this.  Pat SM #123
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 11:02 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
Hi Pat,

I am a pilot too.. though you probably have no reason to respect my opinion. :-)  

From a fluid dynamics POV, a feathered prop is better than a turning propeller.  And a turning prop has less drag than a stopped prop.

For this reason, I would not install a shaft generator on Eleuthera because of the “relative” fragility of the SM dual 90 degree gearbox and the propeller drag if left to windmill.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007.


On 3 Jun 2015, at 17:21, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Just as I sent  my question about fixed vs. unfixed props to the group , my wife sent me the results of her google search . Yachting monthly said that this subject had been debated for decades so they conducted tests that determined that a spinning prop produced less than half the drag of a fixed prop. That at seven knots you would lose approx. one knot while fixed. That seems to jive with what I experienced.  Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 9:26 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
 We have a fixed prop due to the original owner opting for the prop driven alternator  , which I have dismantled since my solar panels and wind generator supplies all the electric I need. I have been told, that it is more efficient from the standpoint of drag for a prop to be fixed opposed to be freewheeling, from a pilot who's opinion I respect. While sailing I do not like to switch in and out of gear due to the loud clunk that sounds as though it could damage the transmission, so its hard to experiment to draw conclusions. However we just sailed back from the BVIs via Bermuda and we were in gear fixed and then I put it in neutral and it seemed that we picked up a knot. I never put it back in gear as we were sailing too fast and for the next three days we averaged 173 nms. with true wind avg. 12 - 16 . Could someone that is knowledgeable about props and drag tell me which is more efficient  ? I am also concerned about wear on the transmis sion while freewheeling .
Thanks, Pat SM  Shenanigans


Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

Patrick McAneny
 

Kent, No you probably did not waste your money, the test results showed that a feathering prop decreased drag significantly over a spinning fixed prop and a folding prop's drag could not even be measured it was so low. I will have Diane post the test . It showed that the Flexofold had best thrust and very low drag, wonder if they would fit on a SM.  Pat
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
Interesting Pat,
Seems to me that a freewheeling prop could wear out the drive, while a prop that is not turning wouldn't cause any damage at all unless you hit something with it (highly unlikely on our boats).

It's hard to evaluate the difference between a fixed prop, freewheeling fixed pitch prop, and folding or feathering prop, as wind and wave conditions are always changing.  I used a fixed pitch prop for a year and always put the engine in gear while sailing.  When I put my feathering MaxProp on I think I gained an average of about a half knot while sailing in varied conditions.  I always put the transmission in gear long enough to feather the prop, then put it back in neutral while sailing.
If it's OK to let it freewheel, there must not be a significant difference in boat speed...so maybe I wasted a bundle on my MaxProp, eh?
Kent
SM243
Kristy

Sent from my iPhon e

On Jun 3, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
I just read another study that also determined that a fixed prop created more than twice as much drag as a freewheeling prop. But what I want to relate is that this article claimed that Yanmar and Volvo both believe that the transmissions should be in neutral to prevent damage and could cause warranty issues .I do not know if that is true ,if concerned you may want to speak to a rep. Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 10:21 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
Just as I sent  my question about fixed vs. unfixed props to the group , my wife sent me the results of her google search . Yachting monthly said that this subject had been debated for decades so they conducted tests that determined that a spinning prop produced less than half the drag of a fixed prop. That at seven knots you would lose approx. one knot while fixed. That seems to jive with what I experienced.  Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners < amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 9:26 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
 We have a fixed prop due to the original owner opting for the prop driven alternator  , which I have dismantled since my solar panels and wind generator supplies all the electric I need. I have been told, that it is more efficient from the standpoint of drag for a prop to be fixed opposed to be freewheeling, from a pilot who's opinion I respect. While sailing I do not like to switch in and out of gear due to the loud clunk that sounds as though it could damage the transmission, so its hard to experiment to draw conclusions. However we just sailed back from the BVIs via Bermuda and we were in gear fixed and then I put it in neutral and it seemed that we picked up a knot. I never put it back in gear as we were sailing too fast and for the next three days we averaged 173 nms. with true wind avg. 12 - 16 . Could someone that is knowledgeable about props and drag tell me which is more efficient  ? I am also concerned about wear on the transmis sion while freewheeling .
Thanks, Pat SM  Shenanigans


Paul- Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Paul,

How does you lamp differ from this one?

http://store.marinebeam.com/4-1-2-sealed-beam-replacement-led-spreader-lamp-bulb/

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 8:10 AM
To: Amel Blog
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

 

 

Eric
Got them on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/grote-trilliant
Paul


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:34:07 -0400
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

 

 

Hi Paul and Sue,

Where di you purchase them?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:08 AM
To: Amel Blog
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

 

 

Kent & Eric
We found the same problem and think it had to due with the charging of the batteries which took the voltage above 28V. We have found these LED spotlights work well and have had them for 3years and no problems. They are rated 9V - 30V and are really bright. They fit in the same receptacle that houses the old GE light bulb.
http://www.grote.com/products/63821-5-trilliant-36-led-whitelight-tractorplus-pattern-spadescrew-connector-retail-pack/

63821-5 – Trilliant® 36 LED WhiteLight™ Work Lamp, TractorPlus™ Pattern, Spade/Screw Connector, Retail Pack

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD #362


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 06:07:35 -0700
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

 

Good morning Kent & Eric,

Just for info:
For the cockpit I use the 13 Watt 60 degree and it is extremely bright.
It is excellent for “work”, but too much for dinner. I might add a little filter to make it more romantic.
So for dinner I simply use the dodger light (which I replace with LED).

I have the same (13 Watt 60 degree) for the main but have not installed yet, so can’t give an opinion if the angle is too wide, etc.
Will try to do install it this coming week.

Sincerely, Alexandre
Sm2K #289 NIKIMAT
Taino Beach, Grand Bahama

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On Sun, 5/31/15, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2015, 5:53 PM


 









Kent,Based upon your
description I guess you used the 13 watt units. 30 degree
for the foredeck and 60 degrees for the
cockpit.That is the only bulb
that comes in 2 angles.Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376    From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 6:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight    I'm not on the boat for a
few weeks, but I have the model numbers for the mast-mounted
deck and cockpit lights.  The cockpit lite has a wider beam
(more like a flood) and the forward deck lite has a
narrower beam (more of a spot light).I still have a couple of
spares of incandescent bulbs for these, but want to switch
to LEDs when those are gone.  The clips that hold the bulbs
in on these fixtures have failed, and they are riveted to
the masts.  I found a PVC fitting that slides perfectly
into the fixture, holds the bulb securely.  I drilled three
holes thru the fixtures and thru the 1" ring of PVC and
secured them with small stainless bolts and lock nuts.
 Looks great and saved me having to replace the
fixtures.
 KentSM 243Kristy


On May 31,
2015, at 3:38 PM, sailormon kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote: 
Steve,Which bulb did you
use?Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376  From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:35
AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight   I've installed these on a
number of boats in the last few years and everyone is happy
with them: 4
1/2" Sealed Beam Replacement LED Spreader Lamp
Bulb       4 1/2" Sealed
Beam Replacement LED Spreader Lamp
BulbThese are drop-in waterproof
(IP65) LED replacements bulbs designed to replace 4.5"
(4-3/8") glass sealed-beams (tractor bulbs) in existing
fixtures, and they
serio...View on
store.marinebeam.comPreview by
Yahoo  Steve
LeedsCircumnavigator's Yacht
Service, Inc.MACCABEESharki
#121 On Monday, October 13,
2014 7:33 AM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:  
We
have recently replace this and found $5.99 generic brand at
the best price: http://www.atlantalightbulbs.com/ecart/nw012104/GE4505UNIT24640.htm I
would imagine Europe would also have a discount internet
bulb supplier.  Best
regards, Mark SM2K
#275www.creampuff.us   From:
amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:23
AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu
Mizzen Spotlight  
Hi everyone,
  As with most SM's ( and maybe 54s ?) I have
spotlights on my main and mizzen
masts. The bulbs
are both Sealed Beam, GE 4505 28v
50w.I rarely use
these lights. In 14 years I have not changed the bulb on the
main ....but the mizzen bulb burns out at the least use. I
must have replaced 5 or 6, and they are a crazy
price.Has anyone
else experienced this issue? Any suggestions as to the
cause?  As they are designed for aircraft and rated at 28v
they should be easily rugged enough .It defies logic to
think that for that bulb alone there is somehow more than 28
volts being delivered.  Has anyone
found an LED bulb that fits the same holder
? Ian and
Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu,
Greece   










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

I notice a ½ knot difference when the engine is running in neutral  and the autoprop is freewheeling.

When the engine is stopped the brake locks the shaft and I gain ½ a knot.

 

When I used to build race cars we always disconnected the  drive shaft as many transmissions are lubricated

by the fluid / lubricant being splashed on the mechanism by the engine driving the gears. Many times people who did not do this blew the rear seals on their transmissions. I do not know if the same holds true for my tranny. But I am happy to have the shaft brake.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 3:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 

 

Interesting Pat,

Seems to me that a freewheeling prop could wear out the drive, while a prop that is not turning wouldn't cause any damage at all unless you hit something with it (highly unlikely on our boats).

 

It's hard to evaluate the difference between a fixed prop, freewheeling fixed pitch prop, and folding or feathering prop, as wind and wave conditions are always changing.  I used a fixed pitch prop for a year and always put the engine in gear while sailing.  When I put my feathering MaxProp on I think I gained an average of about a half knot while sailing in varied conditions.  I always put the transmission in gear long enough to feather the prop, then put it back in neutral while sailing.

If it's OK to let it freewheel, there must not be a significant difference in boat speed...so maybe I wasted a bundle on my MaxProp, eh?

Kent

SM243

Kristy


On Jun 3, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I just read another study that also determined that a fixed prop created more than twice as much drag as a freewheeling prop. But what I want to relate is that this article claimed that Yanmar and Volvo both believe that the transmissions should be in neutral to prevent damage and could cause warranty issues .I do not know if that is true ,if concerned you may want to speak to a rep. Pat

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 10:21 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 

Just as I sent  my question about fixed vs. unfixed props to the group , my wife sent me the results of her google search . Yachting monthly said that this subject had been debated for decades so they conducted tests that determined that a spinning prop produced less than half the drag of a fixed prop. That at seven knots you would lose approx. one knot while fixed. That seems to jive with what I experienced.  Pat

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 9:26 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 

 We have a fixed prop due to the original owner opting for the prop driven alternator  , which I have dismantled since my solar panels and wind generator supplies all the electric I need. I have been told, that it is more efficient from the standpoint of drag for a prop to be fixed opposed to be freewheeling, from a pilot who's opinion I respect. While sailing I do not like to switch in and out of gear due to the loud clunk that sounds as though it could damage the transmission, so its hard to experiment to draw conclusions. However we just sailed back from the BVIs via Bermuda and we were in gear fixed and then I put it in neutral and it seemed that we picked up a knot. I never put it back in gear as we were sailing too fast and for the next three days we averaged 173 nms. with true wind avg. 12 - 16 . Could someone that is knowledgeable about props and drag tell me which is more efficient  ? I am also concerned about wear on the transmis sion while freewheeling .

Thanks, Pat SM  Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

karkauai
 

Interesting Pat,
Seems to me that a freewheeling prop could wear out the drive, while a prop that is not turning wouldn't cause any damage at all unless you hit something with it (highly unlikely on our boats).

It's hard to evaluate the difference between a fixed prop, freewheeling fixed pitch prop, and folding or feathering prop, as wind and wave conditions are always changing.  I used a fixed pitch prop for a year and always put the engine in gear while sailing.  When I put my feathering MaxProp on I think I gained an average of about a half knot while sailing in varied conditions.  I always put the transmission in gear long enough to feather the prop, then put it back in neutral while sailing.
If it's OK to let it freewheel, there must not be a significant difference in boat speed...so maybe I wasted a bundle on my MaxProp, eh?
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Jun 3, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I just read another study that also determined that a fixed prop created more than twice as much drag as a freewheeling prop. But what I want to relate is that this article claimed that Yanmar and Volvo both believe that the transmissions should be in neutral to prevent damage and could cause warranty issues .I do not know if that is true ,if concerned you may want to speak to a rep. Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 10:21 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
Just as I sent  my question about fixed vs. unfixed props to the group , my wife sent me the results of her google search . Yachting monthly said that this subject had been debated for decades so they conducted tests that determined that a spinning prop produced less than half the drag of a fixed prop. That at seven knots you would lose approx. one knot while fixed. That seems to jive with what I experienced.  Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 9:26 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
 We have a fixed prop due to the original owner opting for the prop driven alternator  , which I have dismantled since my solar panels and wind generator supplies all the electric I need. I have been told, that it is more efficient from the standpoint of drag for a prop to be fixed opposed to be freewheeling, from a pilot who's opinion I respect. While sailing I do not like to switch in and out of gear due to the loud clunk that sounds as though it could damage the transmission, so its hard to experiment to draw conclusions. However we just sailed back from the BVIs via Bermuda and we were in gear fixed and then I put it in neutral and it seemed that we picked up a knot. I never put it back in gear as we were sailing too fast and for the next three days we averaged 173 nms. with true wind avg. 12 - 16 . Could someone that is knowledgeable about props and drag tell me which is more efficient  ? I am also concerned about wear on the transmis sion while freewheeling .
Thanks, Pat SM  Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

Patrick McAneny
 

I just read another study that also determined that a fixed prop created more than twice as much drag as a freewheeling prop. But what I want to relate is that this article claimed that Yanmar and Volvo both believe that the transmissions should be in neutral to prevent damage and could cause warranty issues .I do not know if that is true ,if concerned you may want to speak to a rep. Pat
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 10:21 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
Just as I sent  my question about fixed vs. unfixed props to the group , my wife sent me the results of her google search . Yachting monthly said that this subject had been debated for decades so they conducted tests that determined that a spinning prop produced less than half the drag of a fixed prop. That at seven knots you would lose approx. one knot while fixed. That seems to jive with what I experienced.  Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 9:26 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
 We have a fixed prop due to the original owner opting for the prop driven alternator  , which I have dismantled since my solar panels and wind generator supplies all the electric I need. I have been told, that it is more efficient from the standpoint of drag for a prop to be fixed opposed to be freewheeling, from a pilot who's opinion I respect. While sailing I do not like to switch in and out of gear due to the loud clunk that sounds as though it could damage the transmission, so its hard to experiment to draw conclusions. However we just sailed back from the BVIs via Bermuda and we were in gear fixed and then I put it in neutral and it seemed that we picked up a knot. I never put it back in gear as we were sailing too fast and for the next three days we averaged 173 nms. with true wind avg. 12 - 16 . Could someone that is knowledgeable about props and drag tell me which is more efficient  ? I am also concerned about wear on the transmis sion while freewheeling .
Thanks, Pat SM  Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hey Hans Peter,

Now I know why Bernard is faster than you in his Maramu.

:-)  :-)

Jean-Pierre
SY Eleuthera, SM007

On 3 Jun 2015, at 18:53, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Pat
After 20 Years experience with fix pro against maxpro you will not lose 1 knot, Trust me.
A propos to engage the fix pro during sailing, I do it like that ; even with downwind sail I luv until I do not have more then 1 knots spead against the Wind even in Heavy weather. Then I put the gear in inverse without any clunk  ( Capt. Amel advice)

Hanspeter
SM 16, Tamango 2
Göcek, Turkey
Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 03.06.2015 um 16:21 schrieb "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Just as I sent  my question about fixed vs. unfixed props to the group , my wife sent me the results of her google search . Yachting monthly said that this subject had been debated for decades so they conducted tests that determined that a spinning prop produced less than half the drag of a fixed prop. That at seven knots you would lose approx. one knot while fixed. That seems to jive with what I experienced.  Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 9:26 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
 We have a fixed prop due to the original owner opting for the prop driven alternator  , which I have dismantled since my solar panels and wind generator supplies all the electric I need. I have been told, that it is more efficient from the standpoint of drag for a prop to be fixed opposed to be freewheeling, from a pilot who's opinion I respect. While sailing I do not like to switch in and out of gear due to the loud clunk that sounds as though it could damage the transmission, so its hard to experiment to draw conclusions. However we just sailed back from the BVIs via Bermuda and we were in gear fixed and then I put it in neutral and it seemed that we picked up a knot. I never put it back in gear as we were sailing too fast and for the next three days we averaged 173 nms. with true wind avg. 12 - 16 . Could someone that is knowledgeable about props and drag tell me which is more efficient  ? I am also concerned about wear on the transmis sion while freewhe eling .
Thanks, Pat SM  Shenanigans



Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

hanspeter baettig
 

Hello Pat
After 20 Years experience with fix pro against maxpro you will not lose 1 knot, Trust me.
A propos to engage the fix pro during sailing, I do it like that ; even with downwind sail I luv until I do not have more then 1 knots spead against the Wind even in Heavy weather. Then I put the gear in inverse without any clunk  ( Capt. Amel advice)

Hanspeter
SM 16, Tamango 2
Göcek, Turkey
Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 03.06.2015 um 16:21 schrieb "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Just as I sent  my question about fixed vs. unfixed props to the group , my wife sent me the results of her google search . Yachting monthly said that this subject had been debated for decades so they conducted tests that determined that a spinning prop produced less than half the drag of a fixed prop. That at seven knots you would lose approx. one knot while fixed. That seems to jive with what I experienced.  Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 9:26 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
 We have a fixed prop due to the original owner opting for the prop driven alternator  , which I have dismantled since my solar panels and wind generator supplies all the electric I need. I have been told, that it is more efficient from the standpoint of drag for a prop to be fixed opposed to be freewheeling, from a pilot who's opinion I respect. While sailing I do not like to switch in and out of gear due to the loud clunk that sounds as though it could damage the transmission, so its hard to experiment to draw conclusions. However we just sailed back from the BVIs via Bermuda and we were in gear fixed and then I put it in neutral and it seemed that we picked up a knot. I never put it back in gear as we were sailing too fast and for the next three days we averaged 173 nms. with true wind avg. 12 - 16 . Could someone that is knowledgeable about props and drag tell me which is more efficient  ? I am also concerned about wear on the transmis sion while freewhe eling .
Thanks, Pat SM  Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Pat,

I am a pilot too.. though you probably have no reason to respect my opinion. :-)  

From a fluid dynamics POV, a feathered prop is better than a turning propeller.  And a turning prop has less drag than a stopped prop.

For this reason, I would not install a shaft generator on Eleuthera because of the “relative” fragility of the SM dual 90 degree gearbox and the propeller drag if left to windmill.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007.


On 3 Jun 2015, at 17:21, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Just as I sent  my question about fixed vs. unfixed props to the group , my wife sent me the results of her google search . Yachting monthly said that this subject had been debated for decades so they conducted tests that determined that a spinning prop produced less than half the drag of a fixed prop. That at seven knots you would lose approx. one knot while fixed. That seems to jive with what I experienced.  Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 9:26 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
 We have a fixed prop due to the original owner opting for the prop driven alternator  , which I have dismantled since my solar panels and wind generator supplies all the electric I need. I have been told, that it is more efficient from the standpoint of drag for a prop to be fixed opposed to be freewheeling, from a pilot who's opinion I respect. While sailing I do not like to switch in and out of gear due to the loud clunk that sounds as though it could damage the transmission, so its hard to experiment to draw conclusions. However we just sailed back from the BVIs via Bermuda and we were in gear fixed and then I put it in neutral and it seemed that we picked up a knot. I never put it back in gear as we were sailing too fast and for the next three days we averaged 173 nms. with true wind avg. 12 - 16 . Could someone that is knowledgeable about props and drag tell me which is more efficient  ? I am also concerned about wear on the transmis sion while freewheeling .
Thanks, Pat SM  Shenanigans


Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

Patrick McAneny
 

Just as I sent  my question about fixed vs. unfixed props to the group , my wife sent me the results of her google search . Yachting monthly said that this subject had been debated for decades so they conducted tests that determined that a spinning prop produced less than half the drag of a fixed prop. That at seven knots you would lose approx. one knot while fixed. That seems to jive with what I experienced.  Pat
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 9:26 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fixed prop

 
 We have a fixed prop due to the original owner opting for the prop driven alternator  , which I have dismantled since my solar panels and wind generator supplies all the electric I need. I have been told, that it is more efficient from the standpoint of drag for a prop to be fixed opposed to be freewheeling, from a pilot who's opinion I respect. While sailing I do not like to switch in and out of gear due to the loud clunk that sounds as though it could damage the transmission, so its hard to experiment to draw conclusions. However we just sailed back from the BVIs via Bermuda and we were in gear fixed and then I put it in neutral and it seemed that we picked up a knot. I never put it back in gear as we were sailing too fast and for the next three days we averaged 173 nms. with true wind avg. 12 - 16 . Could someone that is knowledgeable about props and drag tell me which is more efficient  ? I am also concerned about wear on the transmis sion while freewheeling .
Thanks, Pat SM  Shenanigans


Fixed prop

Patrick McAneny
 

 We have a fixed prop due to the original owner opting for the prop driven alternator  , which I have dismantled since my solar panels and wind generator supplies all the electric I need. I have been told, that it is more efficient from the standpoint of drag for a prop to be fixed opposed to be freewheeling, from a pilot who's opinion I respect. While sailing I do not like to switch in and out of gear due to the loud clunk that sounds as though it could damage the transmission, so its hard to experiment to draw conclusions. However we just sailed back from the BVIs via Bermuda and we were in gear fixed and then I put it in neutral and it seemed that we picked up a knot. I never put it back in gear as we were sailing too fast and for the next three days we averaged 173 nms. with true wind avg. 12 - 16 . Could someone that is knowledgeable about props and drag tell me which is more efficient  ? I am also concerned about wear on the transmission while freewheeling .

Thanks, Pat SM  Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Eric
Got them on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/grote-trilliant
Paul


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:34:07 -0400
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

 

Hi Paul and Sue,

Where di you purchase them?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:08 AM
To: Amel Blog
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

 

 

Kent & Eric
We found the same problem and think it had to due with the charging of the batteries which took the voltage above 28V. We have found these LED spotlights work well and have had them for 3years and no problems. They are rated 9V - 30V and are really bright. They fit in the same receptacle that houses the old GE light bulb.
http://www.grote.com/products/63821-5-trilliant-36-led-whitelight-tractorplus-pattern-spadescrew-connector-retail-pack/

63821-5 – Trilliant® 36 LED WhiteLight™ Work Lamp, TractorPlus™ Pattern, Spade/Screw Connector, Retail Pack

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD #362


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 06:07:35 -0700
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

 

Good morning Kent & Eric,

Just for info:
For the cockpit I use the 13 Watt 60 degree and it is extremely bright.
It is excellent for “work”, but too much for dinner. I might add a little filter to make it more romantic.
So for dinner I simply use the dodger light (which I replace with LED).

I have the same (13 Watt 60 degree) for the main but have not installed yet, so can’t give an opinion if the angle is too wide, etc.
Will try to do install it this coming week.

Sincerely, Alexandre
Sm2K #289 NIKIMAT
Taino Beach, Grand Bahama

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 5/31/15, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2015, 5:53 PM


 









Kent,Based upon your
description I guess you used the 13 watt units. 30 degree
for the foredeck and 60 degrees for the
cockpit.That is the only bulb
that comes in 2 angles.Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376    From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 6:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight    I'm not on the boat for a
few weeks, but I have the model numbers for the mast-mounted
deck and cockpit lights.  The cockpit lite has a wider beam
(more like a flood) and the forward deck lite has a
narrower beam (more of a spot light).I still have a couple of
spares of incandescent bulbs for these, but want to switch
to LEDs when those are gone.  The clips that hold the bulbs
in on these fixtures have failed, and they are riveted to
the masts.  I found a PVC fitting that slides perfectly
into the fixture, holds the bulb securely.  I drilled three
holes thru the fixtures and thru the 1" ring of PVC and
secured them with small stainless bolts and lock nuts.
 Looks great and saved me having to replace the
fixtures.
 KentSM 243Kristy


On May 31,
2015, at 3:38 PM, sailormon kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote: 
Steve,Which bulb did you
use?Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376  From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:35
AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight   I've installed these on a
number of boats in the last few years and everyone is happy
with them: 4
1/2" Sealed Beam Replacement LED Spreader Lamp
Bulb       4 1/2" Sealed
Beam Replacement LED Spreader Lamp
BulbThese are drop-in waterproof
(IP65) LED replacements bulbs designed to replace 4.5"
(4-3/8") glass sealed-beams (tractor bulbs) in existing
fixtures, and they
serio...View on
store.marinebeam.comPreview by
Yahoo  Steve
LeedsCircumnavigator's Yacht
Service, Inc.MACCABEESharki
#121 On Monday, October 13,
2014 7:33 AM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:  
We
have recently replace this and found $5.99 generic brand at
the best price: http://www.atlantalightbulbs.com/ecart/nw012104/GE4505UNIT24640.htm I
would imagine Europe would also have a discount internet
bulb supplier.  Best
regards, Mark SM2K
#275www.creampuff.us   From:
amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:23
AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu
Mizzen Spotlight  
Hi everyone,
  As with most SM's ( and maybe 54s ?) I have
spotlights on my main and mizzen
masts. The bulbs
are both Sealed Beam, GE 4505 28v
50w.I rarely use
these lights. In 14 years I have not changed the bulb on the
main ....but the mizzen bulb burns out at the least use. I
must have replaced 5 or 6, and they are a crazy
price.Has anyone
else experienced this issue? Any suggestions as to the
cause?  As they are designed for aircraft and rated at 28v
they should be easily rugged enough .It defies logic to
think that for that bulb alone there is somehow more than 28
volts being delivered.  Has anyone
found an LED bulb that fits the same holder
? Ian and
Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu,
Greece   










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting stripes on the deck

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Nice !!! Really nice!

Alexandre


--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 6/1/15, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting stripes on the deck
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 1, 2015, 4:52 PM

Hello
Stephanie,
You
should like the white decks… already done on
Eleuthera!!
See
piccy!!!

Jean-Pierre GermainSY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 1 Jun
2015, at 16:42, Stephanie DiBelardino stephiedib@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 




Joel --
Thank
you so much for reminding me about the type of metal to use.
I remember Ezio always says the same! But I reallylikethe
practicality of your suggestion about using a paint mixing
stick and sandpaper. What. grit do you recommend? And i
LOVE the idea ofwhite stripes! I tend to bebarefoot much of
the time and find that I have to put shoes ON to step on the
boat, because the deck absorbs so much heat.
Also, thank you for the suggestion
about adding a duller to Imron.
And finally, what wine do you
recommend fr this job?
Many
thanks,StephanieSM 353 Indecent

Sent
from Yahoo Mail for
iPad















Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting stripes on the deck

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Stephanie,

You should like the white decks… already done on Eleuthera!!

See piccy!!!


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007



On 1 Jun 2015, at 16:42, Stephanie DiBelardino stephiedib@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Joel --

Thank you so much for reminding me about the type of metal to use. I remember Ezio always says the same! But I reallylikethe practicality of your suggestion about using a paint mixing stick and sandpaper. What. grit do you recommend? And i LOVE the idea ofwhite stripes! I tend to bebarefoot much of the time and find that I have to put shoes ON to step on the boat, because the deck absorbs so much heat.

Also, thank you for the suggestion about adding a duller to Imron.

And finally, what wine do you recommend fr this job?

Many thanks,
Stephanie


Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Paul and Sue,

Where di you purchase them?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:08 AM
To: Amel Blog
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

 

 

Kent & Eric
We found the same problem and think it had to due with the charging of the batteries which took the voltage above 28V. We have found these LED spotlights work well and have had them for 3years and no problems. They are rated 9V - 30V and are really bright. They fit in the same receptacle that houses the old GE light bulb.
http://www.grote.com/products/63821-5-trilliant-36-led-whitelight-tractorplus-pattern-spadescrew-connector-retail-pack/

63821-5 – Trilliant® 36 LED WhiteLight™ Work Lamp, TractorPlus™ Pattern, Spade/Screw Connector, Retail Pack

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD #362


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 06:07:35 -0700
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

 

Good morning Kent & Eric,

Just for info:
For the cockpit I use the 13 Watt 60 degree and it is extremely bright.
It is excellent for “work”, but too much for dinner. I might add a little filter to make it more romantic.
So for dinner I simply use the dodger light (which I replace with LED).

I have the same (13 Watt 60 degree) for the main but have not installed yet, so can’t give an opinion if the angle is too wide, etc.
Will try to do install it this coming week.

Sincerely, Alexandre
Sm2K #289 NIKIMAT
Taino Beach, Grand Bahama

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 5/31/15, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2015, 5:53 PM


 









Kent,Based upon your
description I guess you used the 13 watt units. 30 degree
for the foredeck and 60 degrees for the
cockpit.That is the only bulb
that comes in 2 angles.Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376    From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 6:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight    I'm not on the boat for a
few weeks, but I have the model numbers for the mast-mounted
deck and cockpit lights.  The cockpit lite has a wider beam
(more like a flood) and the forward deck lite has a
narrower beam (more of a spot light).I still have a couple of
spares of incandescent bulbs for these, but want to switch
to LEDs when those are gone.  The clips that hold the bulbs
in on these fixtures have failed, and they are riveted to
the masts.  I found a PVC fitting that slides perfectly
into the fixture, holds the bulb securely.  I drilled three
holes thru the fixtures and thru the 1" ring of PVC and
secured them with small stainless bolts and lock nuts.
 Looks great and saved me having to replace the
fixtures.
 KentSM 243Kristy


On May 31,
2015, at 3:38 PM, sailormon kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote: 
Steve,Which bulb did you
use?Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376  From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:35
AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight   I've installed these on a
number of boats in the last few years and everyone is happy
with them: 4
1/2" Sealed Beam Replacement LED Spreader Lamp
Bulb       4 1/2" Sealed
Beam Replacement LED Spreader Lamp
BulbThese are drop-in waterproof
(IP65) LED replacements bulbs designed to replace 4.5"
(4-3/8") glass sealed-beams (tractor bulbs) in existing
fixtures, and they
serio...View on
store.marinebeam.comPreview by
Yahoo  Steve
LeedsCircumnavigator's Yacht
Service, Inc.MACCABEESharki
#121 On Monday, October 13,
2014 7:33 AM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:  
We
have recently replace this and found $5.99 generic brand at
the best price: http://www.atlantalightbulbs.com/ecart/nw012104/GE4505UNIT24640.htm I
would imagine Europe would also have a discount internet
bulb supplier.  Best
regards, Mark SM2K
#275www.creampuff.us   From:
amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:23
AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu
Mizzen Spotlight  
Hi everyone,
  As with most SM's ( and maybe 54s ?) I have
spotlights on my main and mizzen
masts. The bulbs
are both Sealed Beam, GE 4505 28v
50w.I rarely use
these lights. In 14 years I have not changed the bulb on the
main ....but the mizzen bulb burns out at the least use. I
must have replaced 5 or 6, and they are a crazy
price.Has anyone
else experienced this issue? Any suggestions as to the
cause?  As they are designed for aircraft and rated at 28v
they should be easily rugged enough .It defies logic to
think that for that bulb alone there is somehow more than 28
volts being delivered.  Has anyone
found an LED bulb that fits the same holder
? Ian and
Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu,
Greece   










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Why don't you buy LED tape instead. And mount on the stainless steel construction for your cockpit cover. 
Mount a 12V outlet acces, and connect the LED tape there. Ypu can also add a dimmer to it so you can alter the strenght of the light.

We have mounted a 12V outlet access just beside the speakers on the starbord side. Very use to more things then the LED lights.
Since we have equipped Lady Annila with a permanent roof over the cockpit, we hade our led tape mounted in a different way. But before we built the roof, we used this 12V access to the LED-lights.

/Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM 232
.
Skickat från min iPad

1 jun 2015 kl. 15:07 skrev Paul LaFrance pflafrance@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Kent & Eric
We found the same problem and think it had to due with the charging of the batteries which took the voltage above 28V. We have found these LED spotlights work well and have had them for 3years and no problems. They are rated 9V - 30V and are really bright. They fit in the same receptacle that houses the old GE light bulb.
http://www.grote.com/products/63821-5-trilliant-36-led-whitelight-tractorplus-pattern-spadescrew-connector-retail-pack/

63821-5 – Trilliant® 36 LED WhiteLight™ Work Lamp, TractorPlus™ Pattern, Spade/Screw Connector, Retail Pack

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD #362


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 06:07:35 -0700
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

 
Good morning Kent & Eric,

Just for info:
For the cockpit I use the 13 Watt 60 degree and it is extremely bright.
It is excellent for “work”, but too much for dinner. I might add a little filter to make it more romantic.
So for dinner I simply use the dodger light (which I replace with LED).

I have the same (13 Watt 60 degree) for the main but have not installed yet, so can’t give an opinion if the angle is too wide, etc.
Will try to do install it this coming week.

Sincerely, Alexandre
Sm2K #289 NIKIMAT
Taino Beach, Grand Bahama

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 5/31/15, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2015, 5:53 PM


 









Kent,Based upon your
description I guess you used the 13 watt units. 30 degree
for the foredeck and 60 degrees for the
cockpit.That is the only bulb
that comes in 2 angles.Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376    From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 6:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight    I'm not on the boat for a
few weeks, but I have the model numbers for the mast-mounted
deck and cockpit lights.  The cockpit lite has a wider beam
(more like a flood) and the forward deck lite has a
narrower beam (more of a spot light).I still have a couple of
spares of incandescent bulbs for these, but want to switch
to LEDs when those are gone.  The clips that hold the bulbs
in on these fixtures have failed, and they are riveted to
the masts.  I found a PVC fitting that slides perfectly
into the fixture, holds the bulb securely.  I drilled three
holes thru the fixtures and thru the 1" ring of PVC and
secured them with small stainless bolts and lock nuts.
 Looks great and saved me having to replace the
fixtures.
 KentSM 243Kristy


On May 31,
2015, at 3:38 PM, sailormon kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote: 
Steve,Which bulb did you
use?Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376  From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:35
AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight   I've installed these on a
number of boats in the last few years and everyone is happy
with them: 4
1/2" Sealed Beam Replacement LED Spreader Lamp
Bulb       4 1/2" Sealed
Beam Replacement LED Spreader Lamp
BulbThese are drop-in waterproof
(IP65) LED replacements bulbs designed to replace 4.5"
(4-3/8") glass sealed-beams (tractor bulbs) in existing
fixtures, and they
serio...View on
store.marinebeam.comPreview by
Yahoo  Steve
LeedsCircumnavigator's Yacht
Service, Inc.MACCABEESharki
#121 On Monday, October 13,
2014 7:33 AM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:  
We
have recently replace this and found $5.99 generic brand at
the best price: http://www.atlantalightbulbs.com/ecart/nw012104/GE4505UNIT24640.htm I
would imagine Europe would also have a discount internet
bulb supplier.  Best
regards, Mark SM2K
#275www.creampuff.us   From:
amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:23
AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu
Mizzen Spotlight  
Hi everyone,
  As with most SM's ( and maybe 54s ?) I have
spotlights on my main and mizzen
masts. The bulbs
are both Sealed Beam, GE 4505 28v
50w.I rarely use
these lights. In 14 years I have not changed the bulb on the
main ....but the mizzen bulb burns out at the least use. I
must have replaced 5 or 6, and they are a crazy
price.Has anyone
else experienced this issue? Any suggestions as to the
cause?  As they are designed for aircraft and rated at 28v
they should be easily rugged enough .It defies logic to
think that for that bulb alone there is somehow more than 28
volts being delivered.  Has anyone
found an LED bulb that fits the same holder
? Ian and
Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu,
Greece   










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Kent & Eric
We found the same problem and think it had to due with the charging of the batteries which took the voltage above 28V. We have found these LED spotlights work well and have had them for 3years and no problems. They are rated 9V - 30V and are really bright. They fit in the same receptacle that houses the old GE light bulb.
http://www.grote.com/products/63821-5-trilliant-36-led-whitelight-tractorplus-pattern-spadescrew-connector-retail-pack/

63821-5 – Trilliant® 36 LED WhiteLight™ Work Lamp, TractorPlus™ Pattern, Spade/Screw Connector, Retail Pack

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD #362


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 06:07:35 -0700
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight

 
Good morning Kent & Eric,

Just for info:
For the cockpit I use the 13 Watt 60 degree and it is extremely bright.
It is excellent for “work”, but too much for dinner. I might add a little filter to make it more romantic.
So for dinner I simply use the dodger light (which I replace with LED).

I have the same (13 Watt 60 degree) for the main but have not installed yet, so can’t give an opinion if the angle is too wide, etc.
Will try to do install it this coming week.

Sincerely, Alexandre
Sm2K #289 NIKIMAT
Taino Beach, Grand Bahama

--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 5/31/15, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2015, 5:53 PM


 









Kent,Based upon your
description I guess you used the 13 watt units. 30 degree
for the foredeck and 60 degrees for the
cockpit.That is the only bulb
that comes in 2 angles.Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376    From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 6:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight    I'm not on the boat for a
few weeks, but I have the model numbers for the mast-mounted
deck and cockpit lights.  The cockpit lite has a wider beam
(more like a flood) and the forward deck lite has a
narrower beam (more of a spot light).I still have a couple of
spares of incandescent bulbs for these, but want to switch
to LEDs when those are gone.  The clips that hold the bulbs
in on these fixtures have failed, and they are riveted to
the masts.  I found a PVC fitting that slides perfectly
into the fixture, holds the bulb securely.  I drilled three
holes thru the fixtures and thru the 1" ring of PVC and
secured them with small stainless bolts and lock nuts.
 Looks great and saved me having to replace the
fixtures.
 KentSM 243Kristy


On May 31,
2015, at 3:38 PM, sailormon kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
wrote: 
Steve,Which bulb did you
use?Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376  From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:35
AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Supermaramu Mizzen Spotlight   I've installed these on a
number of boats in the last few years and everyone is happy
with them: 4
1/2" Sealed Beam Replacement LED Spreader Lamp
Bulb       4 1/2" Sealed
Beam Replacement LED Spreader Lamp
BulbThese are drop-in waterproof
(IP65) LED replacements bulbs designed to replace 4.5"
(4-3/8") glass sealed-beams (tractor bulbs) in existing
fixtures, and they
serio...View on
store.marinebeam.comPreview by
Yahoo  Steve
LeedsCircumnavigator's Yacht
Service, Inc.MACCABEESharki
#121 On Monday, October 13,
2014 7:33 AM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
[amelyachtowners]" wrote:  
We
have recently replace this and found $5.99 generic brand at
the best price: http://www.atlantalightbulbs.com/ecart/nw012104/GE4505UNIT24640.htm I
would imagine Europe would also have a discount internet
bulb supplier.  Best
regards, Mark SM2K
#275www.creampuff.us   From:
amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:23
AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Supermaramu
Mizzen Spotlight  
Hi everyone,
  As with most SM's ( and maybe 54s ?) I have
spotlights on my main and mizzen
masts. The bulbs
are both Sealed Beam, GE 4505 28v
50w.I rarely use
these lights. In 14 years I have not changed the bulb on the
main ....but the mizzen bulb burns out at the least use. I
must have replaced 5 or 6, and they are a crazy
price.Has anyone
else experienced this issue? Any suggestions as to the
cause?  As they are designed for aircraft and rated at 28v
they should be easily rugged enough .It defies logic to
think that for that bulb alone there is somehow more than 28
volts being delivered.  Has anyone
found an LED bulb that fits the same holder
? Ian and
Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu,
Greece   










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Painting stripes on the deck

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 


Joel --

Thank you so much for reminding me about the type of metal to use. I remember Ezio always says the same! But I reallylikethe practicality of your suggestion about using a paint mixing stick and sandpaper. What. grit do you recommend? And i LOVE the idea ofwhite stripes! I tend to bebarefoot much of the time and find that I have to put shoes ON to step on the boat, because the deck absorbs so much heat.

Also, thank you for the suggestion about adding a duller to Imron.

And finally, what wine do you recommend fr this job?

Many thanks,
Stephanie