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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Would you buy all electric no diesel Amel?

Douglas E Knapp DEK

#23351

This thread was inactive for a week and it has done it job. I got great answers and learned a lot.

I want to thank those that were so nice and helpful.

Clearly the conversion is doable but the benefits don't seem to be more than the cons.

All this new unpleasantness is uncalled for and not helpful. Just let the thread RIP.

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On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:08 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Agree also, this discussion is going nowhere. Cruisers Forum is a much better avenue for dreamers.
Alan BO and bar
Elyse SM437

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Douglas E Knapp, MSAOM, LAc.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Would you buy all electric no diesel Amel?

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#23350

Bill also gets my support.

There is enough to do to keep a Super Maramu well maintained.
In my case, the diesel cost is negligible compare to the cost of owning the vessel.

Alexandre
SM2K $289 NIKIMAT
Emerald Bay Marina, Exumas, Bahamas

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On Mon, 10/19/15, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Would you buy all electric no diesel Amel?
 To: amelyachtowners@...
 Date: Monday, October 19, 2015, 3:08 PM


  









       Agree also, this discussion is going nowhere.
 Cruisers Forum is a much better avenue for
 dreamers.Alan BO and barElyse SM437
  


 






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hydro generator

Patrick McAneny

#23349

Ric, I assume while you are producing electric from the alternator ,it is inducing more drag than the prop freewheeling not producing electric. If you are saying that I did not need to remove it , just not turn the key and engage it , I agree. I did not intend to use it and the alt. needed to be rebuilt so I removed it. It can quickly be back in business if someone ever wants to use it, its a slick idea. If I had not gone solar, I would have used it.

Thanks, Pat

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners]
To: 'amelyachtowners@...'
Sent: Mon, Oct 19, 2015 3:39 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] hydro generator

Pat, There isn’t any reason to disconnect the shaft driven alternator. You must have a fixed prop and that is free wheeling, hence no more drag than the prop. Mine is set so that the ignition key must be removed and inserted in the shaft alternator switch. This is to prevent charging the batteries from two sources. Works great.

Ric

SN24 Bali Hai

Annapolis

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:21 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hydro generator

Dear Pat

Thats new for me . You even get some Amps at Night from your Kyrocera Solar Panels ??

May I ask you a question? Where do you sail? In the nordic ?

Hanspeter

Tamango 2

SM 16

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 19.10.2015 um 17:18 schrieb "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

I have a shaft driven alternator on my SM ,I disconnected it when I installed three 140 watt Kyrocera solar panels and a wind gen., before we sailed to the Caribbean . I felt I would not need it, and I did not, and did not want the drag . In six months ,I do not remember ever starting the genset to charge the batteries , only to run the watermaker or washing machine. We had one fridge one freezer lights ,tv. ,etc. and never did the batteries need charging . The solar panels produced far more power than the wind generator ,although at night it did contribute some amps.

Pat SM #123

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sun, Oct 11, 2015 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hydro generator

We crossed the Atlantic in January. The battery bank was 100% when we started and remained 100% until we got to Barbados, all due to Henri fitting a prop shaft alternator on the Santorin. But when we anchor we rely on our solar panels to keep the fridge running.
I would agree that solar us the way to go unless your boat already has a water powered generation system.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hydro generator

Patrick McAneny

#23348

Hanspeter, Please read my post again, slowly. I stated that I had a wind generator and that it contributed some amps at night. Do not be so eager to point out other's perceived errors, for haste can lead you to err .

Pat

Shenanigans SM #123

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-----Original Message-----
From: 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Oct 19, 2015 12:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hydro generator

Dear Pat

Thats new for me . You even get some Amps at Night from your Kyrocera Solar Panels ??

May I ask you a question? Where do you sail? In the nordic ?

Hanspeter

Tamango 2

SM 16

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 19.10.2015 um 17:18 schrieb "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

I have a shaft driven alternator on my SM ,I disconnected it when I installed three 140 watt Kyrocera solar panels and a wind gen., before we sailed to the Caribbean . I felt I would not need it, and I did not, and did not want the drag . In six months ,I do not remember ever starting the genset to charge the batteries , only to run the watermaker or washing machine. We had one fridge one freezer lights ,tv. ,etc. and never did the batteries need charging . The solar panels produced far more power than the wind generator ,although at night it did contribute some amps.

Pat SM #123

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sun, Oct 11, 2015 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hydro generator

We crossed the Atlantic in January. The battery bank was 100% when we started and remained 100% until we got to Barbados, all due to Henri fitting a prop shaft alternator on the Santorin. But when we anchor we rely on our solar panels to keep the fridge running.
I would agree that solar us the way to go unless your boat already has a water powered generation system.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Would you buy all electric no diesel Amel?

Alan Leslie

#23347

Agree also, this discussion is going nowhere. Cruisers Forum is a much better avenue for dreamers.

Alan BO and bar

Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foil banging inside the mainmast

bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>

#23346

I've used this method and it has worked fine.

Will sails be damaged if left furled inside the mast firing storage?

Bob

Maramu 173

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On Oct 20, 2015, at 7:02 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Aldo, It does make quite a racket. I think I have tied a line around the foil and pulled it tight against the mast and tied it off. Pat SM #123

-----Original Message-----
From: Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Oct 19, 2015 10:44 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foil banging inside the mainmast

We are taking main down for winter storage and foils is banging loudly and furiously inside the mainmast hollow. Any suggestions on how to minimize noise and wear and tear? Thank you all

Aldo

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foil banging inside the mainmast

Stephen Davis

#23345

Aldo,

We have the small triangle of sail for our mizzen and main as suggested by Bill. It was inexpensive, and cuts down on most of the noise.

Steve

Aloha SM72

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On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Aldo,
I take a long thicker line and tie it to the Main halyard swivel.
I raise the halyard to the top of the mast and furl it standing as far aft as possible.
This wraps the foil in a heavy line and acts as a bumper.
I then tie it off to the boom putting a little tension on it.
It works great.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 11:12 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foil banging inside the mainmast

Aldo,

You can have any sailloft make you a triangle with about 1 meter on each side...have a "sail boltrope" attached to one side and grommets in each of the 3 corners.

Connect the main halyard to the top corner, a spare line to the other two corners. hoist this with the main halyard about half way up...furl it into the mast...tightly tie off the other two lines.

Bill
BeBe #387

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Giovanni Testa gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Aldo,
twist a rope inside ( from the top) and fix/tension a short line/rope, as high as possible, from foil to boom.
ciao
Giovanni TESTA
sv EUTIKIA SM 428
Il 19/10/2015 14.44, Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@... [amelyachtowners] ha scritto:

We are taking main down for winter storage and foils is banging loudly and furiously inside the mainmast hollow. Any suggestions on how to minimize noise and wear and tear? Thank you all

Aldo

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hydro generator

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>

#23344

Pat, There isn’t any reason to disconnect the shaft driven alternator. You must have a fixed prop and that is free wheeling, hence no more drag than the prop. Mine is set so that the ignition key must be removed and inserted in the shaft alternator switch. This is to prevent charging the batteries from two sources. Works great.

Ric

SN24 Bali Hai

Annapolis

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:21 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hydro generator

Dear Pat

Thats new for me . You even get some Amps at Night from your Kyrocera Solar Panels ??

May I ask you a question? Where do you sail? In the nordic ?

Hanspeter

Tamango 2

SM 16

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 19.10.2015 um 17:18 schrieb "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

I have a shaft driven alternator on my SM ,I disconnected it when I installed three 140 watt Kyrocera solar panels and a wind gen., before we sailed to the Caribbean . I felt I would not need it, and I did not, and did not want the drag . In six months ,I do not remember ever starting the genset to charge the batteries , only to run the watermaker or washing machine. We had one fridge one freezer lights ,tv. ,etc. and never did the batteries need charging . The solar panels produced far more power than the wind generator ,although at night it did contribute some amps.

Pat SM #123

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sun, Oct 11, 2015 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hydro generator

We crossed the Atlantic in January. The battery bank was 100% when we started and remained 100% until we got to Barbados, all due to Henri fitting a prop shaft alternator on the Santorin. But when we anchor we rely on our solar panels to keep the fridge running.
I would agree that solar us the way to go unless your boat already has a water powered generation system.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Bilge pump hose connection

Mark Erdos

#23343

I purchased a new bilge pump from Reya. The new pump shipped with different size hose barbs than the original pump. It shipped with 1 ¼” Barbed × 1” Male NPT Threaded. The barb end is too big for the existing hose. I purchase the next size down 1” Barbed × 1” Male NPT. This is too small for the existing hose. Does anyone know where I can source a 1” Male NPT to 1 1/8” hose barb / 28mm? All I can find is 1” or 11/4” hose barbs. There does not seem to be a size in-between.

I could take the barbs off the original pump but I was hoping to rebuild it as keep it as a spare (it just needs new bearings). Also, the adaptors appeared to be glued in. Most likely I will damage them if I try to remove.

With best regards,

Mark

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising: Hampton VA

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Would you buy all electric no diesel Amel?

Douglas E Knapp DEK

#23342

Eric GG, CG, CGA, PHD

LOL, and what does all that mean?

PHD is clear but in what? What was your theses? And, Certified General Accountant is CGA and the rest? Also financial stuff? Interesting.

Learning a person job, studies and hobbies in a great way to start to get to know them.

I do as work; art, chinese med and computer programming and I help a tree doctor.

Hobbies; programming, plants, fish, art (mostly photography and 3d art (blender 3d), spoon carving), med, stone age skills, Go, snorkeling, sailing, science fiction, writing, skiing, German, Linux, ham radio, and helping people.

I would like to help people stop being so hard on nature and to find better ways to communicate and help each other and to heal emotionally.

--

Douglas E Knapp, MSAOM, LAc.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foil banging inside the mainmast

Patrick McAneny

#23341

Aldo, It does make quite a racket. I think I have tied a line around the foil and pulled it tight against the mast and tied it off. Pat SM #123

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-----Original Message-----
From: Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners Sent: Mon, Oct 19, 2015 10:44 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foil banging inside the mainmast

We are taking main down for winter storage and foils is banging loudly and furiously inside the mainmast hollow. Any suggestions on how to minimize noise and wear and tear? Thank you all

Aldo

Amel Sconces

n33077@...

#23340

So I dropped my Amel sconces off at Baltimore Brass Works for re-furbishment. The lamps are incandescent and I am thinking of converting them to LED>

Small one are BA15D and the large sconce is a BA25D (15 & 25mm respectively). The BA15D LED bulbs are easy to get. I'm hoping warm white works. The BA25D is another story. I can keep the incandescent bulb, if I have to, but I hoping if anyone knew where I can get a BA25D LED bulb.

The other option is to change out the socket.

The lamps are to be re-wired, polished and re-lacquered. So anyone have any ideas as to what to replace it with? I was thinking possibly an E14 type socket (Edison screw type socket 14mm). I have about 1 1/8" diameter to work with

Thanks

Aras

Sharki #163

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Would you buy all electric no diesel Amel?

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#23339

Bill Agreed

Eric GG, CG, CGA, PHD

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 7:09 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Would you buy all electric no diesel Amel?

Douglas E Knapp, MSAOM, LAc.

This group was founded by its owner for "owners of yachts built by Chantiers Amel in La Rochelle." Which model Amel do you own?

Also, this group specifically asks that members "...refrain from broadcasting your professional activity." I notice that you prefer to sign your postings with Douglas E Knapp, MSAOM, LAc. which stands for "Advanced Acupuncture & Oriental Medicine." It appears that you are posting in the Amel Group in order to find "Advanced Acupuncture & Oriental Medicine" patients. Either that, or as your Subject Line states, you want to know if we would buy an electric Amel.

While we all dream, I do not think that your dreams interest most of us, and they have absolutely nothing to do with Amel Yachts. There are 238 opinions on the subject that you inquire about on Cruisers Forum. I earlier suggested that you pose your question there because there are many resident experts on CF. For a link to your question, go here: http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f48/electrical-propulsion-vs-diesel-propulsion-76555.html

I am simply a member of this group, but I am asking the owner/moderator to review your application.

Bill

BeBe #387

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Knapp magick.crow@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

So, first of all, I am not going to kill (not that swapping out a motor is killing it anyway) a wonderful Amel ship without a gaining a big advantage. At this point it is an interesting thought experiment only.

It is true that oil has a high energy density but it can also be quite hard to get at some ports and costs a lot at others. We are often looking at over 1000$ just to tank up. It also runs out as we don't have huge tanks on the ship.

Mr. Bill Rouse, I think he might have made one had the tech been good enough during his life but it was not. It is only in the last few years that motors, batteries and solar panels have improved enough to even be considered. I feel that he would have build one, if it improved the capabilities of his design.

I can't make a champagne maker but how about a bubbly water maker and an alcohol still? Or carbonated water and wine? Would that do?

The basics of the idea are simple loose the diesel engine, tank (or just reduce it for a hybrid design) and lead batteries and add the solar panels, the motor and light battery. It is not like you are doing any real damage to the ship. It could all be put back without to much work. Might need to find some low wattage appliances or lose others.

--

Douglas E Knapp, MSAOM, LAc.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foil banging inside the mainmast

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#23338

Aldo,

I take a long thicker line and tie it to the Main halyard swivel.

I raise the halyard to the top of the mast and furl it standing as far aft as possible.

This wraps the foil in a heavy line and acts as a bumper.

I then tie it off to the boom putting a little tension on it.

It works great.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 11:12 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foil banging inside the mainmast

Aldo,

You can have any sailloft make you a triangle with about 1 meter on each side...have a "sail boltrope" attached to one side and grommets in each of the 3 corners.

Connect the main halyard to the top corner, a spare line to the other two corners. hoist this with the main halyard about half way up...furl it into the mast...tightly tie off the other two lines.

Bill

BeBe #387

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Giovanni Testa gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Aldo,
twist a rope inside ( from the top) and fix/tension a short line/rope, as high as possible, from foil to boom.
ciao
Giovanni TESTA
sv EUTIKIA SM 428

Il 19/10/2015 14.44, Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@... [amelyachtowners] ha scritto:

We are taking main down for winter storage and foils is banging loudly and furiously inside the mainmast hollow. Any suggestions on how to minimize noise and wear and tear? Thank you all

Aldo

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Knob tops for genoa and Main Furler switch

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#23337

Thanks Bill

Eric

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Knob tops for genoa and Main Furler switch

Eric,

I checked with Caroline at AMEL CARAIBES. She has those knobs. I asked her to hold 1 of each for my arrival in Jan 2016..if you need them, I will in a year or so. You can email her at amel.caraibes"at"amel.fr. The prices from Martinique are 30% higher than France, but the shipping and the VAT seem to almost balance things out...and if you pick it up from Martinique, it can actually be cheaper than ordering it from France.

I hope this helps you.

Bill

BeBe 387

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 4:09 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

The flat knob top on the furling switch disintegrated. Anyone have an Idea as to how to make another?

It is a silly little thing but I can’t believe how used to it I was.

I was thinking of just whittling it out of a piece of nylon.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hydro generator

hanspeter baettig

#23336

Dear Pat

Thats new for me . You even get some Amps at Night from your Kyrocera Solar Panels ??

May I ask you a question? Where do you sail? In the nordic ?

Hanspeter

Tamango 2

SM 16

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Am 19.10.2015 um 17:18 schrieb "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

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I have a shaft driven alternator on my SM ,I disconnected it when I installed three 140 watt Kyrocera solar panels and a wind gen., before we sailed to the Caribbean . I felt I would not need it, and I did not, and did not want the drag . In six months ,I do not remember ever starting the genset to charge the batteries , only to run the watermaker or washing machine. We had one fridge one freezer lights ,tv. ,etc. and never did the batteries need charging . The solar panels produced far more power than the wind generator ,although at night it did contribute some amps.

Pat SM #123

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From: Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sun, Oct 11, 2015 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] hydro generator

We crossed the Atlantic in January. The battery bank was 100% when we started and remained 100% until we got to Barbados, all due to Henri fitting a prop shaft alternator on the Santorin. But when we anchor we rely on our solar panels to keep the fridge running.
I would agree that solar us the way to go unless your boat already has a water powered generation system.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Knob tops for genoa and Main Furler switch

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

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Eric,

I checked with Caroline at AMEL CARAIBES. She has those knobs. I asked her to hold 1 of each for my arrival in Jan 2016..if you need them, I will in a year or so. You can email her at amel.caraibes"at"amel.fr. The prices from Martinique are 30% higher than France, but the shipping and the VAT seem to almost balance things out...and if you pick it up from Martinique, it can actually be cheaper than ordering it from France.

I hope this helps you.

Bill

BeBe 387

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On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 4:09 AM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

The flat knob top on the furling switch disintegrated. Anyone have an Idea as to how to make another?
It is a silly little thing but I can’t believe how used to it I was.
I was thinking of just whittling it out of a piece of nylon.

Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foil banging inside the mainmast

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#23334

Aldo,

You can have any sailloft make you a triangle with about 1 meter on each side...have a "sail boltrope" attached to one side and grommets in each of the 3 corners.

Connect the main halyard to the top corner, a spare line to the other two corners. hoist this with the main halyard about half way up...furl it into the mast...tightly tie off the other two lines.

Bill

BeBe #387

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On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Giovanni Testa gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Aldo,
twist a rope inside ( from the top) and fix/tension a short line/rope, as high as possible, from foil to boom.
ciao
Giovanni TESTA
sv EUTIKIA SM 428

Il 19/10/2015 14.44, Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@... [amelyachtowners] ha scritto:

We are taking main down for winter storage and foils is banging loudly and furiously inside the mainmast hollow. Any suggestions on how to minimize noise and wear and tear? Thank you all

Aldo

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foil banging inside the mainmast

Giovanni TESTA

#23333

Hi Aldo,
twist a rope inside ( from the top) and fix/tension a short line/rope, as high as possible, from foil to boom.
ciao
Giovanni TESTA
sv EUTIKIA SM 428

Il 19/10/2015 14.44, Aldo Roldan aroldan1796@... [amelyachtowners] ha scritto:

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We are taking main down for winter storage and foils is banging loudly and furiously inside the mainmast hollow. Any suggestions on how to minimize noise and wear and tear? Thank you all

Aldo

Foil banging inside the mainmast

Aldo Roldan

#23332

We are taking main down for winter storage and foils is banging loudly and furiously inside the mainmast hollow.  Any suggestions on how to minimize noise and wear and tear?  Thank you all

Aldo