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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Victron MultiPlus Compact - Grounding Question

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alan & Chris and anyone else...

I am 99% sure that Olivier was referring to the connection at the Calpeda 230VAC saltwater pump in later model SM's and that is/was the only place, although I have never checked to see if that is the only place. 

I just verified that on BeBe #387 the Calpeda 230VAC electric motor is connected to AC Earth as it should be and AC Earth is connected to its case...and the metal pipe connected to the case is connected to the Amel Bonding System...the cross-connection that I believe Olivier was discussing.

I believe that a potential electrolysis problem exists if the 24VDC Negative is connected to the Bonding System. This could happen if the 24VDC Negative on the Charger/Inverter is connected to the AC Earth and the A/C Earth is connected to the Amel Bonding System. I just checked the original Dolphin 30 and 100amp battery chargers. There is NO connection between the 24VDC Negative and the Amel Bonding System and/or AC Earth.

I have to wonder if the installers of Chris's new battery charger/inverter somehow chose not to connect his new charger/inverter to AC Earth because there is an internal crossover within the battery charger/inverter from AC Earth to the 24VDC Negative...If there is...and AC Earth is connected to the Amel Bonding System, then I believe an electrolysis issue exists. 

If there is a crossover in Chris's new charger/inverter, I have to wonder if most charger/inverters have a connection between 24VDC Negative and AC Earth? This may be the reason that the Captain had an issue with charger/inverters...at least I think Amel had an issue with charger/inverters. 


Bill
BeBe #387

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:23 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello everyone.....more complications....


Olivier posted this a while back :

Good morning everybody,

I confirm AC ground and equipotential bonding are connected.
When in a marina, if your vessel is not equipped with a galvanic isolator, don't keep your shore power cord connected permanently (for instance, when you're not aboard for a few days/weeks).
If you want to keep your shore power cord connected, you should install a galvanic isolator.
None of the Santorins, SM, SM 2K, AMEL 54 were originally equipped with a galvanic isolator.


Have a good day.

Olivier

It happens by way of the air conditioning saltwater pump....if you still have the original and haven't replaced it with a March isolated centrifugal pump or similar.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Victron MultiPlus Compact - Grounding Question

Alan Leslie
 

Hello everyone.....more complications....

Olivier posted this a while back :

Good morning everybody,

I confirm AC ground and equipotential bonding are connected.
When in a marina, if your vessel is not equipped with a galvanic isolator, don't keep your shore power cord connected permanently (for instance, when you're not aboard for a few days/weeks).
If you want to keep your shore power cord connected, you should install a galvanic isolator.
None of the Santorins, SM, SM 2K, AMEL 54 were originally equipped with a galvanic isolator.


Have a good day.

Olivier

It happens by way of the air conditioning saltwater pump....if you still have the original and haven't replaced it with a March isolated centrifugal pump or similar.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Victron MultiPlus Compact - Grounding Question

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Chris & Kent,

This could be a complicated issue concerning Earth, the DC side of the
charger and the Amel bonding system. If Emek installed this charger, I
would ask Riza. Also, Kent, if you have your "ears on," you might want to
jump into this conversation.

First, I believe that the 230VAC Charger/Inverter *must be* connected to
Earth for safe shore power and the generator operation. Since Amel uses
green/yellow for both Earth and the Amel Bonding System, *you need to be
especially careful that it is not connected to the Amel Bonding System*.

Secondly, have you looked to see if a yellow/green wire is connected
somewhere to the chassis of the charger/inverter? If you have not looked,
look now and let me know, because this yellow/green wire will need to be
traced to Earth...and verified that it is NOT connected to the Amel Bonding
System.

Lastly, most marine electricians simply do not totally understand these
wiring schemes on an Amel and are likely to make the wrong assumption. That
goes for almost any marine electrician, including Emek's. That said, I am
reasonably certain the Riza knows how it should be connected.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Chris Flack chris@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



HI Bill,

We also have the solar arch installed by Emek Marin but we also have had
installed the Victron Energy MultiPlus Compact 24 | 2000 | 50-30 230V
inverter and battery charger.

When we were in Leros and the fuse on the MultiPlus blew, the electrician
who sourced a replacement said that there didn't appear to be a
ground/earth attached to the PE terminals when AC comes in via shore power
or genney.

Thanks
Chris
Hemera SM031
Currently Gokova Korfezi



On 18-Aug-15 9:55 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] wrote:



Chris,

You need to provide more detail.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On Aug 17, 2015 11:40 PM, "chris@... [amelyachtowners]" <
amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Hi Bill

We blew a fuse and the electrian when checking it out asked ad there
would be shore power and genny running through it.

He asked and I couldn't answer the question. We have the 24/2000 <242000>
.

Thanks sgsin
Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <
amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries



Chris,

No, the Victron MPPT 75/50 does not have an Earth terminal... And I would
not think that it should.

Why do you ask?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 <%2B39%20333%20121%208115> Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On Aug 17, 2015 7:37 PM, "chris@... [amelyachtowners]" <
amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Hi Bill,

Does your Victron Energy MPPT have a ground wire connection for the AC
side?

Thanks
Chris
Hemera SM031
At Turgutreis

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <
amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries



Alex,

With some modern MPPT controllers series is more efficient. I only had
enough room at the top of the EMEK Marine arch for three of the 135 watt
panels. They are wired in series producing a maximum of 75 volts to the
controller, and my controller takes a maximum of 75 volts.

While at anchor, I run the generator to make water, to heat water, to
wash clothes, and to top off the batteries.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 <%2B39%20333%20121%208115> Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On Aug 13, 2015 5:59 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Thank yo so much Bill,

So 3 x 135 Watt sola panel is enough !
That sounds great. I thought I would need twice the amount.
So you have regular “flooded” Delco Freedom batteries and they charge
fully, this si great.

I thought of the Kyocera as well.
Are they mounted on series or parallel?

A neighbor on a 54 has 4 x 200 Watt mounted in series and obtain 96
Volt which is then convert in 24 volt…
he (try to) explain the lost of energy proportional to the square of
the amp, etc. in short gaining 35% by mounting in series, but I have
absolutely no clue on that…
So just trying to understand and see working solutions…

Why do you run your genset? To make water, etc. or also to help
charging the bateries?

As always thanks for the help!
Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 8/13/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, August 13, 2015, 10:06 AM












Alex,
We have 405 watts of solar which will keep the
batteries at 100% during daylight while running freezer,
fridge, fans and a computer or two. We have a Victron Blue
MPPT controller which has been very good at regulating the
charge during daylight hours. We have 12 standard 110amp
house batteries...freedom model.
I would go with either German or Japanese solar
panels and keep clear of Chinese. There are probably good
panels from China, but I know that there are many poor
quality panels. I think that you get what you pay for. I
chose Kyocera panels from Japan...3 @ 135 watts each with a
MPPT controller up to 75 volts and up to 50 amps. I have the
3 panels wired in a series.
I now run the generator at anchor for about 1
to 1.5 hours every second day.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

Sent from my tablet

+39 333 121 8115 <%2B39%20333%20121%208115> Italy Mobile

+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On Aug 13, 2015 3:57 PM,
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



























Good morning,



Currently I have 8 of the traditional deep cycle flooded
batteries, which is ok, since I spend a large amount of time
in Marinas because of my work.



Therefore, I might start to spend more time at anchor.

From sailing experience I know the genset doesn’t fully
charge the batteries.

So will consider solar panels.

Does anyone have input in this solution?

Also for those using solar panels, did you keep the same
flooded batteries or did you change them with AGM, or else?




Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Taino Beach, Grand Bahama


































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Victron MultiPlus Compact - Grounding Question

Chris Flack
 

HI Bill,

We also have the solar arch installed by Emek Marin but we also have had installed the Victron Energy MultiPlus Compact 24 | 2000 | 50-30 230V inverter and battery charger.

When we were in Leros and the fuse on the MultiPlus blew, the electrician who sourced a replacement said that there didn't appear to be a ground/earth attached to the PE terminals when AC comes in via shore power or genney.

Thanks
Chris
Hemera SM031
Currently Gokova Korfezi

On 18-Aug-15 9:55 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Chris,

You need to provide more detail.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 17, 2015 11:40 PM, "chris@... <mailto:chris@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Hi Bill

We blew a fuse and the electrian when checking it out asked ad
there would be shore power and genny running through it.

He asked and I couldn't answer the question. We have the 24/2000
<tel:242000>.

Thanks sgsin
Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
<mailto:yahoogroups@...> [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

Chris,

No, the Victron MPPT 75/50 does not have an Earth terminal... And
I would not think that it should.

Why do you ask?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 <tel:%2B39%20333%20121%208115> Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 <tel:%2B1832-380-4970> USA Voice Mail

On Aug 17, 2015 7:37 PM, "chris@...
<mailto:chris@...> [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Hi Bill,

Does your Victron Energy MPPT have a ground wire connection
for the AC side?

Thanks
Chris
Hemera SM031
At Turgutreis

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
<mailto:yahoogroups@...> [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

Alex,

With some modern MPPT controllers series is more efficient. I
only had enough room at the top of the EMEK Marine arch for
three of the 135 watt panels. They are wired in series
producing a maximum of 75 volts to the controller, and my
controller takes a maximum of 75 volts.

While at anchor, I run the generator to make water, to heat
water, to wash clothes, and to top off the batteries.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 <tel:%2B39%20333%20121%208115> Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 <tel:%2B1832-380-4970> USA Voice Mail

On Aug 13, 2015 5:59 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@... <mailto:uster@...>
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Thank yo so much Bill,

So 3 x 135 Watt sola panel is enough !
That sounds great. I thought I would need twice the amount.
So you have regular “flooded” Delco Freedom batteries and
they charge fully, this si great.

I thought of the Kyocera as well.
Are they mounted on series or parallel?

A neighbor on a 54 has 4 x 200 Watt mounted in series and
obtain 96 Volt which is then convert in 24 volt…
he (try to) explain the lost of energy proportional to the
square of the amp, etc. in short gaining 35% by mounting
in series, but I have absolutely no clue on that…
So just trying to understand and see working solutions…

Why do you run your genset? To make water, etc. or also to
help charging the bateries?

As always thanks for the help!
Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 8/13/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@... <mailto:yahoogroups@...>
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Thursday, August 13, 2015, 10:06 AM












Alex,
We have 405 watts of solar which will keep the
batteries at 100% during daylight while running freezer,
fridge, fans and a computer or two. We have a Victron Blue
MPPT controller which has been very good at regulating the
charge during daylight hours. We have 12 standard 110amp
house batteries...freedom model.
I would go with either German or Japanese solar
panels and keep clear of Chinese. There are probably good
panels from China, but I know that there are many poor
quality panels. I think that you get what you pay for. I
chose Kyocera panels from Japan...3 @ 135 watts each with a
MPPT controller up to 75 volts and up to 50 amps. I have the
3 panels wired in a series.
I now run the generator at anchor for about 1
to 1.5 hours every second day.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

Sent from my tablet

+39 333 121 8115 <tel:%2B39%20333%20121%208115> Italy Mobile

+1832-380-4970 <tel:%2B1832-380-4970> USA Voice Mail
On Aug 13, 2015 3:57 PM,
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
<mailto:uster@...>
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
wrote:



























Good morning,



Currently I have 8 of the traditional deep cycle flooded
batteries, which is ok, since I spend a large amount of time
in Marinas because of my work.



Therefore, I might start to spend more time at anchor.

From sailing experience I know the genset doesn’t fully
charge the batteries.

So will consider solar panels.

Does anyone have input in this solution?

Also for those using solar panels, did you keep the same
flooded batteries or did you change them with AGM, or else?




Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Taino Beach, Grand Bahama


































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mast Mounted loud hailer speaker.; and Battery bank

eric <kimberlite@...>
 

I have to go to the Synagogue Saturday and ask him for some special God batteries

E

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 9:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mast Mounted loud hailer speaker.; and Battery bank

 

 

I'd replace all with the "God" batteries, Eric.  (-;

Kent


On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:46 AM, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I had the Questus (self leveling) radar mount fail on my trip back from the Caribbean this spring.

Upon repair and reinstallation, I noticed a white plastic piece screwed into the mizzen mast just above the starboard spreader,

It took me a few minutes to remember that it was what was left of my fog horn loud hailer ( I laid out the first red line with all raymarine instruments at the time when the boat was built.

I looked in the Raymarine catalog and the speaker did not look like the mount that was up on the mast.

 

In desperation I looked in different catalogs and  found one Distributed by Speco in the USA.

That looked similar , but I was hoping that tech service would help- to no avail. I then tracked town the 800 number

That was associated with the company and found it was a 30 minute drive from my town. I was not looking forward to tapping 6 new screw holes in the mast.

 

I drove there and they said they do not sell retail but I just wanted to see what the difference was between my old one and the Speco which was mounted by amel.  I entered the factory and got the same :”we don’t sell retail.

However they said next door is a retailer of the Speco products. I walked over and spoke to the manager . He brought out the unit that I thought was similar, It was not similar it was EXACT including the mounting holes.

 

Imagine, made in China, shipped to Farmingdale NY, then to France.—My net cost $15 Dollars- I should have bought a lottery ticket..

 

On a completely different subject, no matter how long I charged my battery (12  bank it did not last for more than 2 hours.

I spoke with my battery friend and we concluded I had a dead batteries in the bank.

I disconnected all the batteries and tested them, one at a time with the inexpensive tester available on Ebay .

Come to find out 6 dead batteries and 6 god ones. I moved them around and connected all the good ones into the bank.

I left the dead ones disconnected.

4 hours later everything is working well  I guess my charger and alternator were running at high voltages as they couldn’t get a good charge on the whole bank. I plan on changing to all to deep cycle batteries. Unfortunately the terminals on a ,marine deep cycle battery here have both the heavy lead terminals and also studs of different sizes. Another conundrum solved.

 

So I will have to fabricate some new bus bars. And connecting cables

,Fair Winds,

Eric sm376 Kimberlite

 

 

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mast Mounted loud hailer speaker.; and Battery bank

karkauai
 

I'd replace all with the "God" batteries, Eric.  (-;
Kent


On Aug 20, 2015, at 5:46 AM, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I had the Questus (self leveling) radar mount fail on my trip back from the Caribbean this spring.

Upon repair and reinstallation, I noticed a white plastic piece screwed into the mizzen mast just above the starboard spreader,

It took me a few minutes to remember that it was what was left of my fog horn loud hailer ( I laid out the first red line with all raymarine instruments at the time when the boat was built.

I looked in the Raymarine catalog and the speaker did not look like the mount that was up on the mast.

 

In desperation I looked in different catalogs and  found one Distributed by Speco in the USA.

That looked similar , but I was hoping that tech service would help- to no avail. I then tracked town the 800 number

That was associated with the company and found it was a 30 minute drive from my town. I was not looking forward to tapping 6 new screw holes in the mast.

 

I drove there and they said they do not sell retail but I just wanted to see what the difference was between my old one and the Speco which was mounted by amel.  I entered the factory and got the same :”we don’t sell retail.

However they said next door is a retailer of the Speco products. I walked over and spoke to the manager . He brought out the unit that I thought was similar, It was not similar it was EXACT including the mounting holes.

 

Imagine, made in China, shipped to Farmingdale NY, then to France.—My net cost $15 Dollars- I should have bought a lottery ticket..

 

On a completely different subject, no matter how long I charged my battery (12  bank it did not last for more than 2 hours.

I spoke with my battery friend and we concluded I had a dead batteries in the bank.

I disconnected all the batteries and tested them, one at a time with the inexpensive tester available on Ebay .

Come to find out 6 dead batteries and 6 god ones. I moved them around and connected all the good ones into the bank.

I left the dead ones disconnected.

4 hours later everything is working well  I guess my charger and alternator were running at high voltages as they couldn’t get a good charge on the whole bank. I plan on changing to all to deep cycle batteries. Unfortunately the terminals on a ,marine deep cycle battery here have both the heavy lead terminals and also studs of different sizes. Another conundrum solved.

 

So I will have to fabricate some new bus bars. And connecting cables

,Fair Winds,

Eric sm376 Kimberlite

 

 

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mast Mounted loud hailer speaker.; and Battery bank

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

You were able to realize that one or more bad (shorted cells) batteries can cause havock on the entire system from alternators to chargers to the rest of the batteries,

I use that cheap eBay digital battery tester about every 4 months and record voltage and CCA. A new battery can have a bad cell...be sure to use that same eBay digital tester on your new batteries. I did and found 2 out of 12 with internal cell problems...probably shorts.

For those that do not know this is what we are talking about:

OR, the newer and improved one:

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387



On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:46 AM, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I had the Questus (self leveling) radar mount fail on my trip back from the Caribbean this spring.

Upon repair and reinstallation, I noticed a white plastic piece screwed into the mizzen mast just above the starboard spreader,

It took me a few minutes to remember that it was what was left of my fog horn loud hailer ( I laid out the first red line with all raymarine instruments at the time when the boat was built.

I looked in the Raymarine catalog and the speaker did not look like the mount that was up on the mast.

 

In desperation I looked in different catalogs and  found one Distributed by Speco in the USA.

That looked similar , but I was hoping that tech service would help- to no avail. I then tracked town the 800 number

That was associated with the company and found it was a 30 minute drive from my town. I was not looking forward to tapping 6 new screw holes in the mast.

 

I drove there and they said they do not sell retail but I just wanted to see what the difference was between my old one and the Speco which was mounted by amel.  I entered the factory and got the same :”we don’t sell retail.

However they said next door is a retailer of the Speco products. I walked over and spoke to the manager . He brought out the unit that I thought was similar, It was not similar it was EXACT including the mounting holes.

 

Imagine, made in China, shipped to Farmingdale NY, then to France.—My net cost $15 Dollars- I should have bought a lottery ticket..

 

On a completely different subject, no matter how long I charged my battery (12  bank it did not last for more than 2 hours.

I spoke with my battery friend and we concluded I had a dead batteries in the bank.

I disconnected all the batteries and tested them, one at a time with the inexpensive tester available on Ebay .

Come to find out 6 dead batteries and 6 god ones. I moved them around and connected all the good ones into the bank.

I left the dead ones disconnected.

4 hours later everything is working well  I guess my charger and alternator were running at high voltages as they couldn’t get a good charge on the whole bank. I plan on changing to all to deep cycle batteries. Unfortunately the terminals on a ,marine deep cycle battery here have both the heavy lead terminals and also studs of different sizes. Another conundrum solved.

 

So I will have to fabricate some new bus bars. And connecting cables

,Fair Winds,

Eric sm376 Kimberlite

 

 

 

 
Mast Mounted loud hailer speaker.; and Battery bank

eric <kimberlite@...>
 

I had the Questus (self leveling) radar mount fail on my trip back from the Caribbean this spring.

Upon repair and reinstallation, I noticed a white plastic piece screwed into the mizzen mast just above the starboard spreader,

It took me a few minutes to remember that it was what was left of my fog horn loud hailer ( I laid out the first red line with all raymarine instruments at the time when the boat was built.

I looked in the Raymarine catalog and the speaker did not look like the mount that was up on the mast.

 

In desperation I looked in different catalogs and  found one Distributed by Speco in the USA.

That looked similar , but I was hoping that tech service would help- to no avail. I then tracked town the 800 number

That was associated with the company and found it was a 30 minute drive from my town. I was not looking forward to tapping 6 new screw holes in the mast.

 

I drove there and they said they do not sell retail but I just wanted to see what the difference was between my old one and the Speco which was mounted by amel.  I entered the factory and got the same :”we don’t sell retail.

However they said next door is a retailer of the Speco products. I walked over and spoke to the manager . He brought out the unit that I thought was similar, It was not similar it was EXACT including the mounting holes.

 

Imagine, made in China, shipped to Farmingdale NY, then to France.—My net cost $15 Dollars- I should have bought a lottery ticket..

 

On a completely different subject, no matter how long I charged my battery (12  bank it did not last for more than 2 hours.

I spoke with my battery friend and we concluded I had a dead batteries in the bank.

I disconnected all the batteries and tested them, one at a time with the inexpensive tester available on Ebay .

Come to find out 6 dead batteries and 6 god ones. I moved them around and connected all the good ones into the bank.

I left the dead ones disconnected.

4 hours later everything is working well  I guess my charger and alternator were running at high voltages as they couldn’t get a good charge on the whole bank. I plan on changing to all to deep cycle batteries. Unfortunately the terminals on a ,marine deep cycle battery here have both the heavy lead terminals and also studs of different sizes. Another conundrum solved.

 

So I will have to fabricate some new bus bars. And connecting cables

,Fair Winds,

Eric sm376 Kimberlite

 

 

 

 
Bamar Furler

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello everyone;



After four years of researching, flying around, test sailing, my wife and I concluded that the Amel 54 was the right boat for us. We purchased B&B Kokomo Hull #099 in turkey in May of this year and have been thoroughly enjoying her and getting to know her better every day.



Like many others, I have been subscribed to this forum for the past four years and the availability of so much practical knowledge was a factor in our decision.



The Genoa furler (Bamar 1.02) started to make a different noise from its usual smooth sound a couple of weeks ago. We have been in a marina for that time due to family and have not used the furler since the noise started. I opened the inspection box to find some yellow grease on the sides of the gears and the balance having washed away from the gears with some water present. There was also some grey metallic presence which I assume is metal shavings from the gears.

 

In turning the furler manually, I do not hear any unusual sound. I have cleaned all of the old grease and am ready to pack it with new. My questions are as follows:

 

1.     The furler manual recommends mineral grease. I have access to Lithium and silicone grease. What have you used with good results.

2.     I was thinking of packing the entire cavity with grease to avoid any room from condensation. Do you see any downside or better way?

3.     Have you had problem with water intrusion even if the cover is sealed well or is the assumption of the source being condensation the correct one?

4.     Is every one having issues with this furler that replacement is a necessity somewhere down the road or is the problem isolated to a few furlers?

All input will be appreciated.

 

Aty and Mohammad

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #99
Fw: important

paolopepere@...
 

Hello!

 

Important message, visit http://glandorefamilychurch.com/case.php

 

paolopepere@...

 

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Altenator what size

Chris Flack
 

Hi Jean-Pierre,

Great to hear you will still be there. We will arrive in 9 days and Efes will certainly be consumed.

What do you know. Did you meet them?

See you soon

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Altenator what size

 

Hello Chris,


We arrived in Gocek today !  We’ll be here for some time … long enough to meet up with you I suspect.  

Be prepared to instruct me on the ways of the Internet… I will need your help :-)  Beer tokens assured!

Cheers and fair winds.

I am seriously tanned and verily, taming my lovely boat.  She is probably the most up to date SM in the WWW…

:-)


JPG
Eleuthera, SM 007

PS:  While waiting for our mooring in Gocek Bay, we saw another Eleuthera… this one a big Cat form OZ!





On 17 Aug 2015, at 15:05, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I actually sent this on Friday and it's just gone through.

We are now in Cokertme

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "chris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Altenator what size

 

Bugger!! We left Kos Marina today at 14:30. Now at Turgutreis and back in Gocek in another 8-10 days.

Cheers

-----Original Message-----
From: "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Altenator what size

 

Hi Chris,


I am at the old port in Kos now.  Going to DATCA tomorrow then onto Goček…


JPG



On 13 Aug 2015, at 20:28, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hey JP,

How long are you staying in Gocek?  We cross over into Turkey from Kos tomorrow.

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jean-Pierre Germain jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Altenator what size

 

Hello Paul,

We will be in Gocek on the 16th. Would definitely reciprocate for beer😀 I know some watering holes!!!

JPG




On 13 Aug 2015, at 19:08, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jean-Pierre
Are you in Göchek now?
We will come to Emek tomorrow maybe I can offer you a beer or so
Paul SY KERPA




Jean-Pierre Germain,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...





Jean-Pierre Germain,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Altenator what size

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Chris,

We arrived in Gocek today !  We’ll be here for some time … long enough to meet up with you I suspect.  

Be prepared to instruct me on the ways of the Internet… I will need your help :-)  Beer tokens assured!

Cheers and fair winds.

I am seriously tanned and verily, taming my lovely boat.  She is probably the most up to date SM in the WWW…

:-)


JPG
Eleuthera, SM 007

PS:  While waiting for our mooring in Gocek Bay, we saw another Eleuthera… this one a big Cat form OZ!





On 17 Aug 2015, at 15:05, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I actually sent this on Friday and it's just gone through.

We are now in Cokertme

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "chris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Altenator what size

 

Bugger!! We left Kos Marina today at 14:30. Now at Turgutreis and back in Gocek in another 8-10 days.

Cheers

-----Original Message-----
From: "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Altenator what size

 

Hi Chris,


I am at the old port in Kos now.  Going to DATCA tomorrow then onto Goček…


JPG



On 13 Aug 2015, at 20:28, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hey JP,

How long are you staying in Gocek?  We cross over into Turkey from Kos tomorrow.

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jean-Pierre Germain jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Altenator what size

 

Hello Paul,

We will be in Gocek on the 16th. Would definitely reciprocate for beer😀 I know some watering holes!!!

JPG




On 13 Aug 2015, at 19:08, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jean-Pierre
Are you in Göchek now?
We will come to Emek tomorrow maybe I can offer you a beer or so
Paul SY KERPA




Jean-Pierre Germain,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...





Jean-Pierre Germain,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Is it Nessesary to change water heater?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Will and Bill thanks

I see we have the Isotemp 40 Basic so will follow Bill's instructions and get a matching replacement locally and take the opportunity to clean the tank out too.

I can't get over the huge value of this site and Amel's foresight to have every boat the same for so many years. We have previously owned well known brands including Island Packet, Catalina, Jeanneau and some Australian manufactured yachts, all heavily sold and supported in Australia, however we have never felt as confident and well supported to fixing anything as we do now with an Amel who only last year started selling in Australia. 

What a great community, brand.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane, Australia



On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:20 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Colin,

I have replaced the element twice in 13 years. If you have the Isotemp 40 Basic, you can buy the Isotemp replacement for about $300, or you can remove your element and take it to a shop that sells 230v heater elements, match it to the correct size and buy one for about $75. You will need to buy some gasket material and cut a new gasket. If I remember correctly it is rubber like gasket material.

These elements have a life of 5-7 years, then they develop pin holes which will cause a ground fault trip.

Turn off the power to the heater.
Turn on a faucet at the galley to bleed off water pressure.
Remove the hose connection to the heater with the nut, taking care not to lose the fiber washer inside which will probably need replacement with a new fiber washer or silicone washer
Drain as much as you can...it will run into the sump
Remove the element and use a wet-vac to vacuum out the rusty water, dirt and trash. I am sure you will also find pieces of wire-ties left in there from the manufacturing process.
Cut a new gasket and reassemble. Turn on the water pump and bleed the air at the galley sink faucet.

It really is not difficult as long as you have the parts and tools to do the job.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 18, 2015 12:38 PM, "Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

After just reading this post in the past days I switched on my water heater power switch today and the power tripped!

Never had a problem with this before, always has worked fine, so perhaps the element is rusted as per Bill's comment. I will get time to look at it on the next week-end but was just wondering in advance, is this a common heater element that I should find in an electrical store in Australia or is it a unique Amel element? Does anyone have a link to where the correct element for a 2001 Super Maramu 2000 can be purchased on line?

Also is it easy to replace? I assume one needs to drain the heater tank first?

Many thanks

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, SM#332
Brisbane, Australia

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 6:31 PM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

When we purchased Peregrinus in 2012 it had a Quick B3 Nautic Boiler 40-liter with composite material casing; it is probable that this was a replacement as the Amel manual shows a stainless-steel casing boiler.  If so, this means the boiler was replaced in less than 10 years from factory delivery.


At any rate, at purchase time in 2012 the electric heating element was non-functional.  In early 2014 we replaced the element with a new 1200W and the old one came out badly rusted.

Under engine power the heater warms up water much faster than I would have expected and under marina power it is no slouch.  The heating element we set at max, again 1200W, at installation time and it has yet to fail.

Cheerio,




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Is it Nessesary to change water heater?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Colin,

I have replaced the element twice in 13 years. If you have the Isotemp 40 Basic, you can buy the Isotemp replacement for about $300, or you can remove your element and take it to a shop that sells 230v heater elements, match it to the correct size and buy one for about $75. You will need to buy some gasket material and cut a new gasket. If I remember correctly it is rubber like gasket material.

These elements have a life of 5-7 years, then they develop pin holes which will cause a ground fault trip.

Turn off the power to the heater.
Turn on a faucet at the galley to bleed off water pressure.
Remove the hose connection to the heater with the nut, taking care not to lose the fiber washer inside which will probably need replacement with a new fiber washer or silicone washer
Drain as much as you can...it will run into the sump
Remove the element and use a wet-vac to vacuum out the rusty water, dirt and trash. I am sure you will also find pieces of wire-ties left in there from the manufacturing process.
Cut a new gasket and reassemble. Turn on the water pump and bleed the air at the galley sink faucet.

It really is not difficult as long as you have the parts and tools to do the job.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Aug 18, 2015 12:38 PM, "Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After just reading this post in the past days I switched on my water heater power switch today and the power tripped!

Never had a problem with this before, always has worked fine, so perhaps the element is rusted as per Bill's comment. I will get time to look at it on the next week-end but was just wondering in advance, is this a common heater element that I should find in an electrical store in Australia or is it a unique Amel element? Does anyone have a link to where the correct element for a 2001 Super Maramu 2000 can be purchased on line?

Also is it easy to replace? I assume one needs to drain the heater tank first?

Many thanks

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, SM#332
Brisbane, Australia

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 6:31 PM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

When we purchased Peregrinus in 2012 it had a Quick B3 Nautic Boiler 40-liter with composite material casing; it is probable that this was a replacement as the Amel manual shows a stainless-steel casing boiler.  If so, this means the boiler was replaced in less than 10 years from factory delivery.


At any rate, at purchase time in 2012 the electric heating element was non-functional.  In early 2014 we replaced the element with a new 1200W and the old one came out badly rusted.

Under engine power the heater warms up water much faster than I would have expected and under marina power it is no slouch.  The heating element we set at max, again 1200W, at installation time and it has yet to fail.

Cheerio,




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Is it Nessesary to change water heater?

tango708@...
 

I think you will be able to resource a replacement element locally. I replaced mine in St Martin last winter and was able to find one at Budget Marine. My boat a 1996 SM, is equipped with a Quick Boiler a 1200 w unit part number EVR12220n000. The replacement element was 122.97.

Will
SM 180
Anni Bea True
Presently Annapolis
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance quotes

Bob Grey
 

Thanks for the pricing info, I'll start checking with the firms you mention, and let you know how I go..

Bob
Renaissance III 55#25


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At 16 Aug 2015 20:16:07, Colin Streeter colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]<'amelyachtowners@...'> wrote:

Hi Bob, Alan & John

Just looked at my figures and seems to be 0.82% of value which may be lower than their normal rate due to the special deal they did to get me to move from the UK office to Australian office in the month they opened their business out here, not sure.

Insurance is for all Australian waters to 200NM off the coast and includes the Tasman.

I have just notices Alan's comment about single handling/ solo though and that this does not include solo overnight passages. This is not a problem for me now whilst so busy at work, but will certainly be an issues when we go cruising in about 2 years from now so will review it soon.

I used PYD in the UK to assist with the delivery from Europe and they spoke very highly of Panteanius in terms of both rig and all coverage (and payouts) after many hundreds of thousands of ocean miles and hundreds of international deliveries in all seas globally. Based on this, and my experience with them to date, I have been totally satisfied and compared to another Amel owner here with an older SM insured with Club Marine, the price I pay was pretty comparable and includes full rig insurance.

Regards

Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II - SM #332
Brisbane



On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 7:00 PM, jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bob,

In Australia Club Marine or Nautilus are worth a try for quotes. We operate a reef boat in Port Douglas called Wavelength. Like some other commercial marine operators here we use a broker firm called Auther J Gallagher which is the apparently the worlds fourth largest brokerage firm and they also do private boat insurance. For a commercial vessel a guide is 1% of value per year for vessel insurance with liability extra. Not sure how that compares.

John, Maramu 91 Popeye




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Is it Nessesary to change water heater?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

After just reading this post in the past days I switched on my water heater power switch today and the power tripped!

Never had a problem with this before, always has worked fine, so perhaps the element is rusted as per Bill's comment. I will get time to look at it on the next week-end but was just wondering in advance, is this a common heater element that I should find in an electrical store in Australia or is it a unique Amel element? Does anyone have a link to where the correct element for a 2001 Super Maramu 2000 can be purchased on line?

Also is it easy to replace? I assume one needs to drain the heater tank first?

Many thanks

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, SM#332
Brisbane, Australia

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 6:31 PM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

When we purchased Peregrinus in 2012 it had a Quick B3 Nautic Boiler 40-liter with composite material casing; it is probable that this was a replacement as the Amel manual shows a stainless-steel casing boiler.  If so, this means the boiler was replaced in less than 10 years from factory delivery.


At any rate, at purchase time in 2012 the electric heating element was non-functional.  In early 2014 we replaced the element with a new 1200W and the old one came out badly rusted.

Under engine power the heater warms up water much faster than I would have expected and under marina power it is no slouch.  The heating element we set at max, again 1200W, at installation time and it has yet to fail.

Cheerio,




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

Chris Flack
 

Thanks Bill

Chris
Hemera SM031


-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

 

I have to remove the appropriate seat cushion to open either freezer.

Bill

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:46 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

I would also be interested in the specs too please.

Are you able to access the fridge / freezer under the saloon seat without having to take the cushion off? 

Cheers
Chris
Hemera  SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

 

Thanks, Eric.

If you decide to do something, I could write the specs out for you to give to an upholsterer, or speak to an upholsterer on the phone with you. Most upholsterers I have met are visual and hands-on...and do not follow written instructions very well.

Interestingly, the upholsterer's foam supplier had never split viscoelastic foam (memory foam) in 25mm (1") thicknesses. I convinced the upholsterer that the surfaces would be best with a layer of viscoelastic foam separating the cushion base foam which I demanded as HR 3.5 (High Resilience 3.5 pounds per cubic foot). The upholsterer had never used HR 3.5 and a 25mm layer of viscoelastic foam. The foam supplier had never offered viscoelastic at 25mm. The upholsterer tells me that from now on, that is all he is going to use, and that he is mad at the foam supplier for telling every other upholsterer about it. He says the foam supplier started selling 25mm viscoelastic to all of the upholstery suppliers. I am happy to have contributed to better things in Barcelona. hahahaha!

You could sail to Barcelona, Spain and I can hook you up with the guy...Or Heyers, France for a lot more money.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 18, 2015 6:26 AM, "eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

I drilled and tapped my gearboxes with a M5 tap. The same size as the adapter for the autoprop. In this way I don’t have to insert a zerk fitting to grease the gearboxes. I also drilled one hole low and on the opposite side I drilled the hole high. I insert the grease on the low side and wait till it comes out clean.  I also twice annually remove the outhaul drive shaft and apply an aluminum looking anti seize compound.

 

I wish I knew more about textiles, Your saloon is magnificent

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forestay furling

 

 

Herbert,

If you happen to be in Gocek, the mechanics at EMEK know how to do this job. I saw them overhaul another Amel Genoa furler.

While I was there I had them drill and tap my Genoa furler gearbox for a grease nipple. I had them do the same thing to the outhaul and furling gearboxes on the Main Mast 

I pump a little grease into each one once a year. When not adding grease, I replace the grease nipple with a nylon screw. Some owners have added two tapped holes on each one. They unscrew nylon screws from each, screw a grease nipple in one and pump grease until grease comes out the other hole. This is probably an improvement over what I did.

All gears need lubrication. I am not sure why Amel did not add a method of lubrication to these gearboxes. What makes matters worse is that these gearboxes "bake" the grease in the hot sun. On the other hand, the gearboxes will last 10 years, or more, without adding grease...BUT, will probably last 20+ years WITH ADDING GREASE!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 17, 2015 10:41 AM, "herbert@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Bill,

 

I removed the motor as far as I could (on anchor, to take the motor out complete I would have to open all the cables) and put some grease in the gearbox,  now it is better, maybe only grease is missing. Stupid question: is it necessary to grease the unit periodically? Has anyone some instructions how to do that? 

 

We made the service in kusadasi in turkey, and nearly everything that the mechanics did there made problems  later, we had to rework everything step by step. So it would not surprise me if they did not grease it

 

Fair winds, herbert

 

KALI MERA SN 120

Vulcano, Italy

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I have to remove the appropriate seat cushion to open either freezer.

Bill

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:46 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

I would also be interested in the specs too please.

Are you able to access the fridge / freezer under the saloon seat without having to take the cushion off? 

Cheers
Chris
Hemera  SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

 

Thanks, Eric.

If you decide to do something, I could write the specs out for you to give to an upholsterer, or speak to an upholsterer on the phone with you. Most upholsterers I have met are visual and hands-on...and do not follow written instructions very well.

Interestingly, the upholsterer's foam supplier had never split viscoelastic foam (memory foam) in 25mm (1") thicknesses. I convinced the upholsterer that the surfaces would be best with a layer of viscoelastic foam separating the cushion base foam which I demanded as HR 3.5 (High Resilience 3.5 pounds per cubic foot). The upholsterer had never used HR 3.5 and a 25mm layer of viscoelastic foam. The foam supplier had never offered viscoelastic at 25mm. The upholsterer tells me that from now on, that is all he is going to use, and that he is mad at the foam supplier for telling every other upholsterer about it. He says the foam supplier started selling 25mm viscoelastic to all of the upholstery suppliers. I am happy to have contributed to better things in Barcelona. hahahaha!

You could sail to Barcelona, Spain and I can hook you up with the guy...Or Heyers, France for a lot more money.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 18, 2015 6:26 AM, "eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

I drilled and tapped my gearboxes with a M5 tap. The same size as the adapter for the autoprop. In this way I don’t have to insert a zerk fitting to grease the gearboxes. I also drilled one hole low and on the opposite side I drilled the hole high. I insert the grease on the low side and wait till it comes out clean.  I also twice annually remove the outhaul drive shaft and apply an aluminum looking anti seize compound.

 

I wish I knew more about textiles, Your saloon is magnificent

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forestay furling

 

 

Herbert,

If you happen to be in Gocek, the mechanics at EMEK know how to do this job. I saw them overhaul another Amel Genoa furler.

While I was there I had them drill and tap my Genoa furler gearbox for a grease nipple. I had them do the same thing to the outhaul and furling gearboxes on the Main Mast 

I pump a little grease into each one once a year. When not adding grease, I replace the grease nipple with a nylon screw. Some owners have added two tapped holes on each one. They unscrew nylon screws from each, screw a grease nipple in one and pump grease until grease comes out the other hole. This is probably an improvement over what I did.

All gears need lubrication. I am not sure why Amel did not add a method of lubrication to these gearboxes. What makes matters worse is that these gearboxes "bake" the grease in the hot sun. On the other hand, the gearboxes will last 10 years, or more, without adding grease...BUT, will probably last 20+ years WITH ADDING GREASE!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 17, 2015 10:41 AM, "herbert@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Bill,

 

I removed the motor as far as I could (on anchor, to take the motor out complete I would have to open all the cables) and put some grease in the gearbox,  now it is better, maybe only grease is missing. Stupid question: is it necessary to grease the unit periodically? Has anyone some instructions how to do that? 

 

We made the service in kusadasi in turkey, and nearly everything that the mechanics did there made problems  later, we had to rework everything step by step. So it would not surprise me if they did not grease it

 

Fair winds, herbert

 

KALI MERA SN 120

Vulcano, Italy

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

Chris Flack
 

Hi Bill,

I would also be interested in the specs too please.

Are you able to access the fridge / freezer under the saloon seat without having to take the cushion off? 

Cheers
Chris
Hemera  SM031


-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

 

Thanks, Eric.

If you decide to do something, I could write the specs out for you to give to an upholsterer, or speak to an upholsterer on the phone with you. Most upholsterers I have met are visual and hands-on...and do not follow written instructions very well.

Interestingly, the upholsterer's foam supplier had never split viscoelastic foam (memory foam) in 25mm (1") thicknesses. I convinced the upholsterer that the surfaces would be best with a layer of viscoelastic foam separating the cushion base foam which I demanded as HR 3.5 (High Resilience 3.5 pounds per cubic foot). The upholsterer had never used HR 3.5 and a 25mm layer of viscoelastic foam. The foam supplier had never offered viscoelastic at 25mm. The upholsterer tells me that from now on, that is all he is going to use, and that he is mad at the foam supplier for telling every other upholsterer about it. He says the foam supplier started selling 25mm viscoelastic to all of the upholstery suppliers. I am happy to have contributed to better things in Barcelona. hahahaha!

You could sail to Barcelona, Spain and I can hook you up with the guy...Or Heyers, France for a lot more money.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 18, 2015 6:26 AM, "eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

I drilled and tapped my gearboxes with a M5 tap. The same size as the adapter for the autoprop. In this way I don’t have to insert a zerk fitting to grease the gearboxes. I also drilled one hole low and on the opposite side I drilled the hole high. I insert the grease on the low side and wait till it comes out clean.  I also twice annually remove the outhaul drive shaft and apply an aluminum looking anti seize compound.

 

I wish I knew more about textiles, Your saloon is magnificent

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forestay furling

 

 

Herbert,

If you happen to be in Gocek, the mechanics at EMEK know how to do this job. I saw them overhaul another Amel Genoa furler.

While I was there I had them drill and tap my Genoa furler gearbox for a grease nipple. I had them do the same thing to the outhaul and furling gearboxes on the Main Mast 

I pump a little grease into each one once a year. When not adding grease, I replace the grease nipple with a nylon screw. Some owners have added two tapped holes on each one. They unscrew nylon screws from each, screw a grease nipple in one and pump grease until grease comes out the other hole. This is probably an improvement over what I did.

All gears need lubrication. I am not sure why Amel did not add a method of lubrication to these gearboxes. What makes matters worse is that these gearboxes "bake" the grease in the hot sun. On the other hand, the gearboxes will last 10 years, or more, without adding grease...BUT, will probably last 20+ years WITH ADDING GREASE!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 17, 2015 10:41 AM, "herbert@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Bill,

 

I removed the motor as far as I could (on anchor, to take the motor out complete I would have to open all the cables) and put some grease in the gearbox,  now it is better, maybe only grease is missing. Stupid question: is it necessary to grease the unit periodically? Has anyone some instructions how to do that? 

 

We made the service in kusadasi in turkey, and nearly everything that the mechanics did there made problems  later, we had to rework everything step by step. So it would not surprise me if they did not grease it

 

Fair winds, herbert

 

KALI MERA SN 120

Vulcano, Italy

 
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