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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shopping for a Maramu

zerotocruising@...
 

Thanks, Kent. I agree, there's big value in having someone familiar with a boat spending time a new owner. I'll search the topics as you suggested.

Mike


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shopping for a Maramu

zerotocruising@...
 

Hi John. Thank you for that detailed reply. I am taking note of all of that.

Mike


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Thanks Bill

We don't appear to have that installed on our boat

Andrew




On 4 Apr 2015, at 12:13, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Andrew,

I missed it for years. 

If you have the automatic engine room fire extinguisher you have a tiny "starter" bottle in the ceiling of the engine room with a large CO2 bottle connected to it...both require service. The large CO2 bottle is laying on its side inside a white painted  wooden box located in the port lazzertte, forward and all the way to the stbd side. 

You will also have mounted on the stbd side of the steps, a large, manually operated extinguisher, which is plumbed into the engine room. Next to it, possibly a smaller multi-use extinguisher. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 4, 2015 10:51 AM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill

I don't think I have seen a tank in our port lazarette , we have a large tank on the starboard side of the cabin steps /ladder for the engine room. Maybe I missed this, whereabouts in the locker is it?

Andrew

Ronpische
SM 472


On 4 Apr 2015, at 08:39, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Duane,

I have had them serviced in St. Thomas, Singapore, and Turkey. I have never heard "can't do it." I wonder what all the vessels do in the port of Miami?

BTW, I had a hard time finding the automatic engine room primary CO2 tank. It is inside a wood box in the port lazzerret. Three or four screws hold the box in position...remove them to expose the tank.

I found it is cheaper and better to buy new small ones for the forward and aft berths, and refill the two at the companionway, the small starter in the engine room, and the large one I described in the lazzerret. Normally, the same guy will recertify inflatable life jackets and life buoys, if you have any of those.

Good luck and welcome again to the "club."

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 3, 2015 9:40 PM, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

It seems like we're going to close on a 2005 Amel SM next week (#477).  We're making a list from the survey and one thing we need to do is have the fire extinguishers serviced.  It looks like they are original (brand = Gloria?), which is a German brand I believe.


I called a Fort Lauderdale company and they said they could only refill U.S. brands, something about a special license. 


Does anyone know of a Fort Lauderdale or Miami company who could service the SM's Gloria extinguishers?



Thanks,

Duane Siegfried


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Andrew,

I missed it for years. 

If you have the automatic engine room fire extinguisher you have a tiny "starter" bottle in the ceiling of the engine room with a large CO2 bottle connected to it...both require service. The large CO2 bottle is laying on its side inside a white painted  wooden box located in the port lazzertte, forward and all the way to the stbd side. 

You will also have mounted on the stbd side of the steps, a large, manually operated extinguisher, which is plumbed into the engine room. Next to it, possibly a smaller multi-use extinguisher. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 4, 2015 10:51 AM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill

I don't think I have seen a tank in our port lazarette , we have a large tank on the starboard side of the cabin steps /ladder for the engine room. Maybe I missed this, whereabouts in the locker is it?

Andrew

Ronpische
SM 472


On 4 Apr 2015, at 08:39, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Duane,

I have had them serviced in St. Thomas, Singapore, and Turkey. I have never heard "can't do it." I wonder what all the vessels do in the port of Miami?

BTW, I had a hard time finding the automatic engine room primary CO2 tank. It is inside a wood box in the port lazzerret. Three or four screws hold the box in position...remove them to expose the tank.

I found it is cheaper and better to buy new small ones for the forward and aft berths, and refill the two at the companionway, the small starter in the engine room, and the large one I described in the lazzerret. Normally, the same guy will recertify inflatable life jackets and life buoys, if you have any of those.

Good luck and welcome again to the "club."

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 3, 2015 9:40 PM, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

It seems like we're going to close on a 2005 Amel SM next week (#477).  We're making a list from the survey and one thing we need to do is have the fire extinguishers serviced.  It looks like they are original (brand = Gloria?), which is a German brand I believe.


I called a Fort Lauderdale company and they said they could only refill U.S. brands, something about a special license. 


Does anyone know of a Fort Lauderdale or Miami company who could service the SM's Gloria extinguishers?



Thanks,

Duane Siegfried


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Bill

I don't think I have seen a tank in our port lazarette , we have a large tank on the starboard side of the cabin steps /ladder for the engine room. Maybe I missed this, whereabouts in the locker is it?

Andrew

Ronpische
SM 472


On 4 Apr 2015, at 08:39, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Duane,

I have had them serviced in St. Thomas, Singapore, and Turkey. I have never heard "can't do it." I wonder what all the vessels do in the port of Miami?

BTW, I had a hard time finding the automatic engine room primary CO2 tank. It is inside a wood box in the port lazzerret. Three or four screws hold the box in position...remove them to expose the tank.

I found it is cheaper and better to buy new small ones for the forward and aft berths, and refill the two at the companionway, the small starter in the engine room, and the large one I described in the lazzerret. Normally, the same guy will recertify inflatable life jackets and life buoys, if you have any of those.

Good luck and welcome again to the "club."

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 3, 2015 9:40 PM, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

It seems like we're going to close on a 2005 Amel SM next week (#477).  We're making a list from the survey and one thing we need to do is have the fire extinguishers serviced.  It looks like they are original (brand = Gloria?), which is a German brand I believe.


I called a Fort Lauderdale company and they said they could only refill U.S. brands, something about a special license. 


Does anyone know of a Fort Lauderdale or Miami company who could service the SM's Gloria extinguishers?



Thanks,

Duane Siegfried


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

I have had them serviced in St. Thomas, Singapore, and Turkey. I have never heard "can't do it." I wonder what all the vessels do in the port of Miami?

BTW, I had a hard time finding the automatic engine room primary CO2 tank. It is inside a wood box in the port lazzerret. Three or four screws hold the box in position...remove them to expose the tank.

I found it is cheaper and better to buy new small ones for the forward and aft berths, and refill the two at the companionway, the small starter in the engine room, and the large one I described in the lazzerret. Normally, the same guy will recertify inflatable life jackets and life buoys, if you have any of those.

Good luck and welcome again to the "club."

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 3, 2015 9:40 PM, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

It seems like we're going to close on a 2005 Amel SM next week (#477).  We're making a list from the survey and one thing we need to do is have the fire extinguishers serviced.  It looks like they are original (brand = Gloria?), which is a German brand I believe.


I called a Fort Lauderdale company and they said they could only refill U.S. brands, something about a special license. 


Does anyone know of a Fort Lauderdale or Miami company who could service the SM's Gloria extinguishers?



Thanks,

Duane Siegfried


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shopping for a Maramu

jjjk12s@...
 

Mike and Rebecca,

Here are a few things to be aware of...

Firstly, whilst I would be more cautious of buying another brand of that vintage, with Amel you have a few crucial differences. One is that you really sense they were building boats to be as good as the existing knowledge allowed, not to cut corners to be more profitable. The second is they were very experienced and well ahead of the game with fibreglass even in the 1980s. The third is that they were very sensible with the design; there are many features such as the way the hull is bonded to the deck, the bulkheads all laminated to the hull, very few leak problems etc that mean they age well.

Having said that they are an older boat. If you're shopping you'll probably see a few tired and neglected ones with outdated gear and drooping headliner. Others (like mine!) have updated sail handling, electronics, engines headlining etc. The deck layout and hull shape is modern enough yet traditional enough to make a great cruiser. 

You probably already know all this to have got to this stage so.....

The early ones like mine have manual sails and no bow- thruster, the later boats (from about 1984 I think) have electric furling sails. Mine is 1981 with Harken deck gear (except the winches) and a fully battened mainsail. On a later one you would be more sticking to the Amel equipment.

The early ones have a single spreader rig, later ones double spreader.

All these boats (up until about 1997) have a problem with foam backed vinyl. The same applies to many other quality brands like Privilege, Westerly etc. I understand that about 1997 the Amel vinyl was changed to have a felt backing to reduce the problem. What happens is over time the foam breaks down to dust and the lining falls down. If the boat you choose hasn't been fixed properly prepare for a big job to fix it (but it can be fixed).

If have never heard of any problem with keel bolts or serious osmosis.

The original Isomat masts seem very good.

The fuel tanks are stainless steel and potentially may have corrosion inside just because of the age, but mine is fine so far and is 1981. Some owners have installed inspection/cleaning hatches in the top.

The deck is balsa cored. In my 1981 boat I can see the balsa from underneath where the hand rails bolt on the coach-roof. It looks perfect and is small blocks of end grain balsa, all made the proper way to avoid rot. Be wary of retrofitted deck gear that may not have been bedded properly.

As on any boat there is the potential for rot inside from rainwater water leaking in. I had rot in the marine ply core of the floor of the forward deck lockers. That is the roof of the anchor locker and I think was caused be 30 years of condensation. All fixed now without too much difficulty. There is a lot of very good quality mahogany inside and the timber work is excellent but if you see discoloured veneer from water leaks then investigate for any signs of rot. This shouldn't be a problem other than on a very neglected boat. On any boat an important area to check for rot is the mast compression post. There are clever design features on the Maramu to prevent water running down the mast into the boat, but always an important area to check.

This is not complete and a surveyor who knows Amels is good. Basically apart from the vinyl there aren't major problems, just hard to find a good example.

Good luck,

John, Maramu #91, 1981 Popeye, Port Douglas, Australia




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

I would agree. Get new. Be sure to compare the weights. Many cheap ones are "light" 2 3/4#. Home depot vs West marine have better prices and better selection. 
Bali Hai sn24
Annapolis

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Apr 3, 2015, at 6:15 PM, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Congrats Duane!

Why not just get rid of those fire extinguishers, and buy some new B1s. They're about 30 bucks a piece.
Jeff 54 #14

----- Original Message -----
From: "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Friday, April 3, 2015 3:40 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question
To: amelyachtowners@...

> It seems like we're going to close on a 2005 Amel SM next week
> (#477). We're making a list from the survey and one thing we
> need to do is have the fire extinguishers serviced. It looks
> like they are original (brand = Gloria?), which is a German
> brand I believe.
>
>
> I called a Fort Lauderdale company and they said they could
> only refill U.S. brands, something about a special license.
>
>
> Does anyone know of a Fort Lauderdale or Miami company who
> could service the SM's Gloria extinguishers?
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Duane Siegfried
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shopping for a Maramu

karkauai
 

Happy hunting Mike and Rebecca!
Try searching the Conversations for topics about buying an Amel...there have been several threads on this over the last few years.

I own a SuperMaramu, so I can't be specific about the Maramu, but I'd recommend that you find a surveyor who really knows Amels.  Preferably someone who has owned the model you are looking at.  Insist that you be there during the survey, and add a clause to the contract that includes 3-5 days of going over everything on the boat in detail with the previous owner or pay someone (there are probably people on this site who would do it for you) to do it if the old owner can't or won't.

Have fun and don't be afraid to ask questions.

Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Apr 3, 2015, at 12:26 PM, zerotocruising@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone,


New member here. My wife and I are actively shopping for a Maramu 46. In addition to browsing the various threads here, I thought that we'd poll the membership for any issues that we should be on the lookout for when inspecting prospective boats. Should we actually purchase one, we'll no doubt be posting a lot more.


Thanks in advance for any help rendered.


Mike and Rebecca Sweeney



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

You might consider changing them to CO2 fire extinguishers. The dry powder ones make one hell of a mess if you use them.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 3:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question

 

 

It seems like we're going to close on a 2005 Amel SM next week (#477).  We're making a list from the survey and one thing we need to do is have the fire extinguishers serviced.  It looks like they are original (brand = Gloria?), which is a German brand I believe.

 

I called a Fort Lauderdale company and they said they could only refill U.S. brands, something about a special license. 

 

Does anyone know of a Fort Lauderdale or Miami company who could service the SM's Gloria extinguishers?

 

 

Thanks,

Duane Siegfried


Re: I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question

sailor63109@...
 

We'd love to get together.  How about the evening of 4/25 or 4/26?

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question

karkauai
 

Joel Potter knows EVERYTHING (Amel and Ft Lauderdale)! I'd ask him.

Congratulations, and welcome to the family!
Kent
SM243
Kristy
"Still" on the hard in Fernandina Beach, FL and heading North whenever we can...maybe by midApril.



On Apr 3, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good afternoon Duane,

Congratulations on your imminent closing !!!
I don't know, but I am currently Dania Beach (just south of Fort Lauderdale airport).
I am leaving at the end fo the month for Grand Bahama, if you have time, let's meet!
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Royal Palm
Dania Beach, Florida.

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On Fri, 4/3/15, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, April 3, 2015, 2:40 PM


 









It seems like we're going to close
on a 2005 Amel SM next week (#477).  We're making a
list from the survey and one thing we need to do is have the
fire extinguishers serviced.  It looks like they are
original (brand = Gloria?), which is a German brand I
believe.
I called a Fort Lauderdale
company and they said they could only refill U.S. brands,
something about a special license. 
Does anyone know of a Fort
Lauderdale or Miami company who could service the SM's
Gloria extinguishers?

Thanks,Duane
Siegfried









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Duane,

Congratulations on your imminent closing !!!
I don't know, but I am currently Dania Beach (just south of Fort Lauderdale airport).
I am leaving at the end fo the month for Grand Bahama, if you have time, let's meet!
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Royal Palm
Dania Beach, Florida.


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On Fri, 4/3/15, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, April 3, 2015, 2:40 PM


 









It seems like we're going to close
on a 2005 Amel SM next week (#477).  We're making a
list from the survey and one thing we need to do is have the
fire extinguishers serviced.  It looks like they are
original (brand = Gloria?), which is a German brand I
believe.
I called a Fort Lauderdale
company and they said they could only refill U.S. brands,
something about a special license. 
Does anyone know of a Fort
Lauderdale or Miami company who could service the SM's
Gloria extinguishers?

Thanks,Duane
Siegfried









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I think we bought a boat! Fire extinguisher question

sailor63109@...
 

It seems like we're going to close on a 2005 Amel SM next week (#477).  We're making a list from the survey and one thing we need to do is have the fire extinguishers serviced.  It looks like they are original (brand = Gloria?), which is a German brand I believe.


I called a Fort Lauderdale company and they said they could only refill U.S. brands, something about a special license. 


Does anyone know of a Fort Lauderdale or Miami company who could service the SM's Gloria extinguishers?



Thanks,

Duane Siegfried


Shopping for a Maramu

zerotocruising@...
 

Hello everyone,


New member here. My wife and I are actively shopping for a Maramu 46. In addition to browsing the various threads here, I thought that we'd poll the membership for any issues that we should be on the lookout for when inspecting prospective boats. Should we actually purchase one, we'll no doubt be posting a lot more.


Thanks in advance for any help rendered.


Mike and Rebecca Sweeney



Re: Maybe a stupid question, but I am concerned abt it.

jwdernehl@...
 

I also have a 92' SM.  #88.  It definitely lists a bit to port.  There is almost no machinery on the STBD side. The generator, sewage holding tank, toilets, fridge/freezer and respective compressors, AC units for salon and aft berthing, and oven are all port of centerline.  Heck, the port side also has storage lockers in the main cockpit and just outside, where the stbd does not.  I think the newer SM's helped this by placing the large battery bank under the passageway berthing on the STBD side. 

Jason 
Pao San #88

Just remember, the Coast Guard does not like boarding blow boats. 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maybe a stupid question, but I am concerned abt it.

bent_jyllinge
 

This is a bit funny, we have exactly this issue with our Mango #67. We never seem to be 100% horizontal...
Is this an Amel thing?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Vinyl

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

When I had my bimini top made in St Maarten they had the same material. I also had them add zippers to the underside of the Bimini. When it is removed or installed I just have to unzip the support tubes.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 2:49 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini Vinyl

 

 

Mark, 

I am not sure of the exact brand used by Amel. It is a woven fabric coated on both sides with polypropylene. I found a source in Spain that sells it at 3 meter widths and as the length, as long as you want it. This type of bimini cover is more common on power boats, and welding will be 100% waterproof and looks better. The 3 meter width gets you the entire width of the current bimini frame. The three frame covers that are inside the bimini should be welded and Amel used a stainless rivet at the four corners of each. There is a "gather" located at the location of the forward support tube which requires a cut and weld in the Bimini. Look for this gather on the top of your current bimini.

Amel has a new SM bimini, in stock, for 1,895 euros...it consists of new top, two new side panels, new tonneau cover, and shiny new turnbuckles. These are shipped in a storage bag of like-fabric. I just received one from Amel and had to pay VAT, ouch!

If you make a new bimini yourself, you can buy a handheld welder, but I believe it will be difficult to do as good of a job as Amel. 

This type of polypropylene fabric is also used in the trucking industry to use as "curtains" for the sides of trailers. As trailer curtains, they open or close to access cargo. I am sure you have seen these probably in a blue color. FedEx uses these curtains on their "Pup Trailers."  That is the reason for the 3 meter width...the width lays to the height of the curtain  It comes in several thicknesses. Do NOT buy thicker than Amel uses. I made that mistake. Be sure to "mike" the Amel bimini. I think it is 50mil, but not sure.

II know you are a "sewmeister." If you were to make a new one, you may want to use some of that really good rubberized marine Sunbrella.

Let me know if you have other questions. I tried an alternative to Amel, then had to pay Amel's price to be satisfied. So, I paid twice so that my friends can learn from my mistake and pay once. Bimini experience did not come cheap.

Advice to new Amel owners: Any time that I try to "out-Amel" Amel, it costs me. Trust Captain Henri Amel's decisions and you will save money and time.

Let me know if you have other questions. 

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
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On Apr 2, 2015 12:09 AM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

(I think) I have an original bimini top an side panels. Does anyone know the brand, color and weight of the vinyl Amel used on the SM2K? And of course, a contact for supply in the USA would be great.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Installing the new CDrive

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Kent,
       I can send you a plan view photograph showing the top of the C drive and the flange that connects to it, if that is of use send me an address please.
Best regards,
Trevor 

Seafever
Still in Mexico and still for sale