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Re: Wind generators

Ron Hynes
 

John Hayes
Good point regarding their controller being the problem…will check it out once again. 

Silent Wind was all the rage a few years ago when I bought mine. I certainly wasn’t being economical as it was over $2500 as I recall.  A feature i particularly liked was that it was 3-phase with the rectifier near the batteries so comparatively light wiring was required. As I recall the unit was designed and manufactured in Portugal and the support was minimal. Another unique feature was the blades..they were very quiet and efficient. In fact, at the time the D400 offered their blades as a $100 option.  I did the wind generator and solar panels at the same time and perhaps the solar improvement was so dramatic that it was easy to forget about the wind generator. I think I’m going to revisit that area and see if I can improve the performance.

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Aug 28, 2021, at 7:16 PM, JOHN HAYES <johnhayes862@...> wrote:

Hi Ron 

I brought a y tool of the line  silent wind unit 3 years ago. Though new on a trip through the pacific I eventually realised it’s output was negligible 

I returned its brain box it to the agent  who replaced it at no charge (against instructions we had pulled it apart and could see a transistor had failed ). Since replacing the brain the unit has worked perfectly, plenty of generation and almost no noise…….maybe helped by Nga Waka’s berth in windy Wellington 

Best

John Hayes

Nga Waka SN 61

Wellington NZ


On 29/08/2021, at 10:25 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi Ron and all. Wind generators are not created equal. There are low price models that are what you pay for. Noisy, fragile and unable to cope with high winds. There is one the Duo 400 which is not cheap but very heavy and has a crude and awkward metbod of feathering in strong wins. I have seen people say it's the best. But then the same people say wind generators are rubbish. Many types require tethering in strong winds. Others throw off blades. Some are very noisy and are hated in marinas and anchorages. Others are noisy and vibrate shockingly sending vibrations throughout the boat. One model has many and very long blades, and has the best low wind output but throws off blades in high winds. Get the picture. If you are going wind select carefully. I got lucky and chose the Super Wind 350. Totally silent, nil vibration. Designed for remote locations to run for years with nil maintenance. Geared feathering blades that feather progressively as the wind increases. Total feathering over 40.knots. However, under 10 knots of apparent wind output is neglible. This applies to almost all wind generators. 15 knots apparent. Quite good. Over 20 knots apparent. "Cooking with gas"as the saying goes. In all things serious off shore you need redundancy. Wind solar and diesel covers the spectrum. 

But if you want to wind. Only one place to go. Super wind. Cost me twice what others were but good choice.

Da NY

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 21 August 2021 at 02:18 Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...> wrote:

I installed a silent wind generator about four years ago and have never been happy with it. The output is minimal and it is anything but silent! At the same time I put on Solara panels and have been extremely pleased with their performance and durability. I only have 300 watts so the maximum output it’s close to 12 A where three or four hours at maximum sun. 

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Aug 20, 2021, at 9:55 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Wind - I always recommend solar. 

I tried for years to get real-life data on any wind generator and found no actual useable data to construct a cost/benefit model. Sure I got the reports like, "one day a month ago we got XXX amps from the wind." Or, "it is always turning."

Bill
 


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
 
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
 
View My Training Calendar

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 8:42 AM Paul Osterberg < osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Do not now about wind, but this year we replaced our 5 year old solar panels and replaced the with Sunpower maxium 3. 2x400 w is just a fraction larger surface that the old 3x150 w, A hug improvements. I often see peak watt close to 500w and occasionally around 540 w, During July we touched 3 Kwh for a full day each, yesterday as an example we reached 2,3 but the battery was full well before the end of the day and superhot (high temp reduce output)  We have litium and 1,4Kw of solar so do not need to run the panels constantly during a day, even though we cock food on induction, and make hot water through the inverter. But it is still summer and long day, sure I will need them all when days get shorter
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259, Gran Canaria.

 

 


 


 


Re: Black box

Bill Kinney
 

Pat,

Those studs are for vibration isolation. They do isolate electrically, but that is incidental. Like you we replaced ours when the old ones gave up.  The studs do not connect through.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD


Re: Wind generators

JOHN HAYES
 

Hi Ron 

I brought a y tool of the line  silent wind unit 3 years ago. Though new on a trip through the pacific I eventually realised it’s output was negligible 

I returned its brain box it to the agent  who replaced it at no charge (against instructions we had pulled it apart and could see a transistor had failed ). Since replacing the brain the unit has worked perfectly, plenty of generation and almost no noise…….maybe helped by Nga Waka’s berth in windy Wellington 

Best

John Hayes

Nga Waka SN 61

Wellington NZ


On 29/08/2021, at 10:25 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi Ron and all. Wind generators are not created equal. There are low price models that are what you pay for. Noisy, fragile and unable to cope with high winds. There is one the Duo 400 which is not cheap but very heavy and has a crude and awkward metbod of feathering in strong wins. I have seen people say it's the best. But then the same people say wind generators are rubbish. Many types require tethering in strong winds. Others throw off blades. Some are very noisy and are hated in marinas and anchorages. Others are noisy and vibrate shockingly sending vibrations throughout the boat. One model has many and very long blades, and has the best low wind output but throws off blades in high winds. Get the picture. If you are going wind select carefully. I got lucky and chose the Super Wind 350. Totally silent, nil vibration. Designed for remote locations to run for years with nil maintenance. Geared feathering blades that feather progressively as the wind increases. Total feathering over 40.knots. However, under 10 knots of apparent wind output is neglible. This applies to almost all wind generators. 15 knots apparent. Quite good. Over 20 knots apparent. "Cooking with gas"as the saying goes. In all things serious off shore you need redundancy. Wind solar and diesel covers the spectrum. 

But if you want to wind. Only one place to go. Super wind. Cost me twice what others were but good choice.

Da NY

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 21 August 2021 at 02:18 Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...> wrote:

I installed a silent wind generator about four years ago and have never been happy with it. The output is minimal and it is anything but silent! At the same time I put on Solara panels and have been extremely pleased with their performance and durability. I only have 300 watts so the maximum output it’s close to 12 A where three or four hours at maximum sun. 

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Aug 20, 2021, at 9:55 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Wind - I always recommend solar. 

I tried for years to get real-life data on any wind generator and found no actual useable data to construct a cost/benefit model. Sure I got the reports like, "one day a month ago we got XXX amps from the wind." Or, "it is always turning."

Bill
 


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
 
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
 
View My Training Calendar

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 8:42 AM Paul Osterberg < osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Do not now about wind, but this year we replaced our 5 year old solar panels and replaced the with Sunpower maxium 3. 2x400 w is just a fraction larger surface that the old 3x150 w, A hug improvements. I often see peak watt close to 500w and occasionally around 540 w, During July we touched 3 Kwh for a full day each, yesterday as an example we reached 2,3 but the battery was full well before the end of the day and superhot (high temp reduce output)  We have litium and 1,4Kw of solar so do not need to run the panels constantly during a day, even though we cock food on induction, and make hot water through the inverter. But it is still summer and long day, sure I will need them all when days get shorter
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259, Gran Canaria.

 

 


 


 


Re: Wind generators

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Ron and all. Wind generators are not created equal. There are low price models that are what you pay for. Noisy, fragile and unable to cope with high winds. There is one the Duo 400 which is not cheap but very heavy and has a crude and awkward metbod of feathering in strong wins. I have seen people say it's the best. But then the same people say wind generators are rubbish. Many types require tethering in strong winds. Others throw off blades. Some are very noisy and are hated in marinas and anchorages. Others are noisy and vibrate shockingly sending vibrations throughout the boat. One model has many and very long blades, and has the best low wind output but throws off blades in high winds. Get the picture. If you are going wind select carefully. I got lucky and chose the Super Wind 350. Totally silent, nil vibration. Designed for remote locations to run for years with nil maintenance. Geared feathering blades that feather progressively as the wind increases. Total feathering over 40.knots. However, under 10 knots of apparent wind output is neglible. This applies to almost all wind generators. 15 knots apparent. Quite good. Over 20 knots apparent. "Cooking with gas"as the saying goes. In all things serious off shore you need redundancy. Wind solar and diesel covers the spectrum. 

But if you want to wind. Only one place to go. Super wind. Cost me twice what others were but good choice.

Da NY

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 21 August 2021 at 02:18 Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...> wrote:

I installed a silent wind generator about four years ago and have never been happy with it. The output is minimal and it is anything but silent! At the same time I put on Solara panels and have been extremely pleased with their performance and durability. I only have 300 watts so the maximum output it’s close to 12 A where three or four hours at maximum sun. 

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Aug 20, 2021, at 9:55 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Wind - I always recommend solar. 

I tried for years to get real-life data on any wind generator and found no actual useable data to construct a cost/benefit model. Sure I got the reports like, "one day a month ago we got XXX amps from the wind." Or, "it is always turning."

Bill
 


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
 
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
 
View My Training Calendar

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 8:42 AM Paul Osterberg < osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Do not now about wind, but this year we replaced our 5 year old solar panels and replaced the with Sunpower maxium 3. 2x400 w is just a fraction larger surface that the old 3x150 w, A hug improvements. I often see peak watt close to 500w and occasionally around 540 w, During July we touched 3 Kwh for a full day each, yesterday as an example we reached 2,3 but the battery was full well before the end of the day and superhot (high temp reduce output)  We have litium and 1,4Kw of solar so do not need to run the panels constantly during a day, even though we cock food on induction, and make hot water through the inverter. But it is still summer and long day, sure I will need them all when days get shorter
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259, Gran Canaria.

 

 


 


 


Re: Black box

karkauai
 

Hi Pat.  You can get any style you want at McMaster-Carr. If the bolt goes all the way through the rubber bushing, it wouldn't offer much vibration dampening.
Hi to Diane
Kent & Iris
SM 243
Still in Maine, starting our hop South.

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243


Re: Deck restoring

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bill. Sorry for the lack of reply. Just found a stack of your messages in my spam folder. The product I used was Marine polytrol gel coat restorer. I have  given detailed product information in other replies. Likewise my experience in applying it. If you haven't seen these I will resend.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 22 August 2021 at 06:49 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Great job!

Is this the gel coat restorer?

Bill
 


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
 
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
 
View My Training Calendar

On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 1:19 PM Matt & Michelle Day, SM#208 SV Talia < charlesmatthewday@...> wrote:
Danny,

Beautiful job!

Do you have any before pictures?  What was the gelcoat restore product you used?

Matt 

SVTalia SM#209
Hampton, VA

 

 


Re: Lofrans Tigres windlass parts

JB Duler
 

Thanks all for the good tips to get those Lorans parts. I'll get on the phone Monday.

--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Tonight’s supper…

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Good humor Bill

Danny

On 28 August 2021 at 15:06 Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:

I have see boats made of fiberglass, wood, steel, aluminum, even (shudder!) cement.  But a zucchini hull is a new one!  I have no doubt if it proves cheap enough to manufacture, Group Beneteau will find a way to sell them.

Bill Kinney
SM160,  Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Black box

Patrick McAneny
 

I have a Volvo TMD22a and there is a black box mounted on the front side of the engine that contains relays ,etc. The box is held in place with rubber bushings , three of my bushings have broken and all need to be replaced. Does the box need to be electrically isolated from the engine ? I have found bushings online with studs on both ends ,but I don't know if the studs go through the center and is one stud or two separate studs. It would not matter if the box does not need to be isolated .
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Lofrans Tigres windlass parts

Roy Zakheym
 

Hi
I was in Italy last month and ordered parts from a lofrans dealer shop ZANCA. I texted him via this number on whatsapp +39 380 636 2006 . They have almost all parts available and shipping arrived after two days.
Good luck
Roy zakheym
Joanna 2 SM 442


Re: Mainsail furler gasket.

 

Gregory, 

Not everyone knows that you have an Amel 54. And, not all Amel 54s have the motor that you have. A54 #172 was built late in the production of the 54 and has the same furling motor as A55s. Earlier 54s had the same furling motor as SMs.

All of the following is copied from my Amel Book:

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The issue is that when water enters the top of your motor, it will ruin the motor and a replacement costs over 2000 euro. According to SAV, there is no possibility of rebuild when this happens, although I believe someone posted here that they were able to rebuild. If so, I am sure it depends on how much saltwater damage.

Amel suggests that the top seal of the furling motor should be changed every 2 years. This seal is less than 10 euro. The motor is more than 2000 euro, but more than half of Amel owners do not change this seal every 2 years.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 10:39 AM Gregory Dmitriev <41greg.marine@...> wrote:
Guys,
just wandering why there is no similar seal between the gearbox and motor.

any reasons?

thx, 

gd


Re: Mainsail furler gasket.

Gregory Dmitriev
 

Guys,
just wandering why there is no similar seal between the gearbox and motor.

any reasons?

thx, 

gd


Re: Engine room lining on Amel 54

Roque
 

Hi Lior
 
I think the choice of the right solvent is more important. The first one I used was not gentle on the foam when I tested it. Then I tried Xylol and no problem. 

Roque
Attika A54 117
Paraty - Brazil


Re: Engine room lining on Amel 54

Lior Keydar
 

Dear Roque and Bill

Thanks a lot for your feedback. Both product, the "Plasti Dip" and the Flex seal" can be purchase in Greece. I think that I will try both of them. There places that it could be easily solved with spraying but on other places it could be very difficult. In my engine room it became a problem and large areas just came off.

Lior, SHARONA, A54 #18


Re: Mainsail furler gasket.

Gregory Dmitriev
 

This is great! Thx!


Re: Lofrans Tigres windlass parts

william reynolds
 

I have gotten all my Lofrans parts from Imtra who can be reached at

Customer Service/Inside Sales

30 Samuel Barnet Blvd. New Bedford, MA 02745
508-995-7000 | www.imtra.com


They have great service, reasonable prices and they usually ship the same day.

Contact there is Raymond P  LaVoie

Bill Reynolds

Cloudstreet


Re: Tonight’s supper…

Paul Harries
 

Three masted Amels have apparently  been reported when there is no red port left in bottle he he
--
Paul Harries
Prospective Amel Buyer


Re: Tonight’s supper…

Rachael
 

It is my culinary interpretation of the forestay!

Indeed you are right, we are very much enjoying this time of pre-ownership, and have learnt so much already from this group. Hopefully my MARROWmu has provided a little light relief for all you sailors trying to fix things out there! 😊

Rachael


--
Rachael & Robin Courtenay
Seeking an Amel
Europe


Re: Tonight’s supper…

Bill Kinney
 

I have see boats made of fiberglass, wood, steel, aluminum, even (shudder!) cement.  But a zucchini hull is a new one!  I have no doubt if it proves cheap enough to manufacture, Group Beneteau will find a way to sell them.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Watermaker end cap removal; Dessalator D160

Mark McGovern
 

Bill,

I hope I don't have to pop these end caps off again anytime soon but I will keep the water pressure idea in mind for whenever the time comes.  It makes total sense to use water pressure from the inside of the pressure vessel to remove the end caps.

Cara's had a pretty sedentary life the past 17 years spending most of her time at the dock with just one Atlantic crossing from the previous owner and then the trip up from Martinique to the Chesapeake Bay when we bought her in 2017 so I expected events like this to happen.  I just hoped it could have waited a few weeks as I actually had planned on replacing the membranes this October when we are back in the Chesapeake.   Apparently the boat had other plans.

See you guys in a few weeks!
  
--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Belfast, ME USA

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