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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Question regarding procedures for aligning engine on SM
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Wow Kent. Once you were a beginner Danny Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" Date:13/09/2015 12:37 PM (GMT+12:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Question regarding procedures for aligning engine on SM Hi Todd, Not sure what you've gotten in replies, but here's my understanding of the alignment procedure. I have SM2K #243, but I think the procedure should be the same. First install the angle iron beds on new properly sized engine mounts. Use the old mounts to find the proper placement of the new ones. (Remove only one mount at a time, put the new engine bolt on the mount through the hole where the old one was. Mark new holes on the hull stringer if the new mount is not the same as the old one. Repeat with the other new mounts.) Drill and tap new holes as marked if necessary. (There is a thick steel plate about 1 1/2 inches into the stringer that has to be drilled and tapped for your bolts unless you are using mounts identical to the old ones... it takes a pretty long drill bit and tap.) Install the new mounts. (I had to grind down a hump on the stringers at the forward mounts to get them to sit flush on the stringers...it was about 4 mm high and grinding did not go through the glass on the stringer.) Next install the angle iron "beds" on the engine bolts as they were on the old mounts. Don't tighten the bolts to the stringers all the way. The beds should be centered exactly as they were on the original installation. The beds will need to be adjusted to height later, but for now put them at the heights above the stringers that the old ones were. The front and back heights will probably be different. Now install the CDrive. It will essentially lock itself into place when seated in the thru-hull opening. Bolt it to the beds using new mounts exactly like the originals. The lower part of the drive will not move or tilt in a forward-aft direction if the vertical shaft is seated properly. It will move some side-to-side until you bolt it to the keel with the stainless sleeve and rubber hose bushings. The bolt is stainless and the threads in the keel are not, so use some waterproof grease on the bolt. Have a machine shop make a fixed (not flexible) coupling of the exact thickness of your flexible coupling. Bolt holes will have to match those on your flexible coupling as well. Attach the fixed coupling to your CDrive. Now bring the engine down onto the beds and ease it forward to the fixed coupling. The transmission to coupling tolerance should be 1/1000 of an inch. Adjust the engine side to side by moving the mounts on the stringers (the bolt holes on one end of the mount will be oval shaped instead of round and should allow the bed to be moved ~1/4 inch side to side on the bolt holding the mount to the bed). Adjust it vertically by using the nuts on the engine mount bolts going through the beds. If further vertical adjustment is necessary, shims can be fitted between the beds and the engine. Keep at it until there is NO gap around the transmission to fixed coupling connection. In neutral the transmission and CDrive should turn easily and with no wobble. Watch the connection carefully as you turn the shaft to look for any gap anywhere around the connection. Once you've got alignment to satisfactory tolerance with the fixed coupling, tighten down the bolts that fix the mounts to the stringers, and the nuts that fix the height of the beds, and tighten the nuts that fix the beds to the mounts. Check alignment tolerance again to confirm that nothing moved as you were tightening bolts and nuts. Confirm height of any shims needed between the beds and the engine. Now remove the engine from the beds and fixed coupling, and slide it back a little. Install the flexible coupling, and bring the engine back forward to make the final attachments to the bed and flexible coupling. Again, turn the shaft in neutral and watch the small gap between the two halves of the flexible coupling to make certain it is the same width all the way around the coupling. If not, start over with the alignment using the fixed coupling. Once after a few hours running time, and again every week or so for the next 100 hours check all mounting bolts and nuts and the flexible coupling bolts to ensure they haven't gotten loose. If something's loose, check the coupling gap closely to make sure nothing has changed. I hope that's reasonably clear. Olivier, anyone else...what did I leave out? Kent SM243 Kristy Currently Long Island Sound Hi, sorry, for not correctly entering the boat info. It is a 1990 SM hull #25. I have the old style drive unit with a MAX prop. The prop is fine, and the vibration actually becomes LESS when in gear and at higher RPMs, so I don't believe the problem is in the drive train itself, but rather in the engine bed alignment. But of course, if I change the adjustment on the mounts of the bed, then this could put tremendous pressure on the C drive. I'm just trying to find out the steps / proceedure to check and correct the alignment of the engine, bed and C drive. |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Addiyional refrigerator for Kimberlite
Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
We have been thinking of making that change as well. Adding a cooling plate that runs only when we have the Dieselgenerator running, meaning it will not effect the batteries. The area will of course be extra insulatade to be able to keep the cold. /Annsofie S/Y Lady Annila SM232, 1998 Skickat från min iPad
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Refrigerator replacement 1998 SM
Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
Well, Lady Annila has many of the SM2K configurations, so your theory may be correct. /Annsofie Skickat från min iPad
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Addiyional refrigerator for Kimberlite
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Kent, I should be around. The slip at the end of the dock is a desirable t-dock It is usually taken by transients as it is so easy to dock. If you plan on being around on the weekend-try to reserve that slip in advance. I should be around those dates. Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 10:58 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Addiyional refrigerator for Kimberlite
Thanks Eric. I'll call when I know I'll be there. In thinking it'll be the 18th-20th. Kent
Kent, When you drop by, if you would like a slip, call the dock master a few days ahead. Right now there is an empty slip next to me at the end of the dock. If you know when you will arrive give him a few days’ notice for this slip. Otherwise there are many moorings available. Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Kent. I do not like to use the settee reefers for cans. A few years ago a can dented the evaporator and caused a gas leak. It was a pain to change out. See you soon. Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
I've been looking askance at my unused dishwasher, too. I was thinking of adding a small ice maker there. I use the galley reefer for food, the aft dinette seat cooler as a beerator (actually any drinks) and an overflow for food that won't fit in the galley reefer. I use the forward dinette seat cooker as a freezer.
See you in a week or so, Eric. Kent SM243 Kristy
Today I was looking at the dishwasher which has never been used. I was thinking about taking it out, insulating it , adding a cold plate and then I would have a top opening reefer. Or possibly having a top opening stainless box fabricated . When we are on a passage with crew, they are always opening the reefer to get cold drinks.
What are Your thoughts? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Oh well, there goes that theory. Still like the looks of that 2 drawer fridge! Kent
Lady Annila is the last produced SM, she has no 232. No 233 is a SM2k.
/Annsofie
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Addiyional refrigerator for Kimberlite
Thanks Eric. I'll call when I know I'll be there. In thinking it'll be the 18th-20th. Kent On Sep 12, 2015, at 8:54 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Kent, When you drop by, if you would like a slip, call the dock master a few days ahead. Right now there is an empty slip next to me at the end of the dock. If you know when you will arrive give him a few days’ notice for this slip. Otherwise there are many moorings available. Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Kent. I do not like to use the settee reefers for cans. A few years ago a can dented the evaporator and caused a gas leak. It was a pain to change out. See you soon. Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
I've been looking askance at my unused dishwasher, too. I was thinking of adding a small ice maker there. I use the galley reefer for food, the aft dinette seat cooler as a beerator (actually any drinks) and an overflow for food that won't fit in the galley reefer. I use the forward dinette seat cooker as a freezer.
See you in a week or so, Eric. Kent SM243 Kristy
Today I was looking at the dishwasher which has never been used. I was thinking about taking it out, insulating it , adding a cold plate and then I would have a top opening reefer. Or possibly having a top opening stainless box fabricated . When we are on a passage with crew, they are always opening the reefer to get cold drinks.
What are Your thoughts? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Oh well, there goes that theory. Still like the looks of that 2 drawer fridge! Kent
Lady Annila is the last produced SM, she has no 232. No 233 is a SM2k.
/Annsofie
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Addiyional refrigerator for Kimberlite
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Kent, When you drop by, if you would like a slip, call the dock master a few days ahead. Right now there is an empty slip next to me at the end of the dock. If you know when you will arrive give him a few days’ notice for this slip. Otherwise there are many moorings available. Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 8:46 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Addiyional refrigerator for Kimberlite
Kent. I do not like to use the settee reefers for cans. A few years ago a can dented the evaporator and caused a gas leak. It was a pain to change out. See you soon. Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
I've been looking askance at my unused dishwasher, too. I was thinking of adding a small ice maker there. I use the galley reefer for food, the aft dinette seat cooler as a beerator (actually any drinks) and an overflow for food that won't fit in the galley reefer. I use the forward dinette seat cooker as a freezer.
See you in a week or so, Eric. Kent SM243 Kristy
Today I was looking at the dishwasher which has never been used. I was thinking about taking it out, insulating it , adding a cold plate and then I would have a top opening reefer. Or possibly having a top opening stainless box fabricated . When we are on a passage with crew, they are always opening the reefer to get cold drinks.
What are Your thoughts? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Oh well, there goes that theory. Still like the looks of that 2 drawer fridge! Kent
Lady Annila is the last produced SM, she has no 232. No 233 is a SM2k.
/Annsofie
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Addiyional refrigerator for Kimberlite
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Kent. I do not like to use the settee reefers for cans. A few years ago a can dented the evaporator and caused a gas leak. It was a pain to change out. See you soon. Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 8:42 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Addiyional refrigerator for Kimberlite
I've been looking askance at my unused dishwasher, too. I was thinking of adding a small ice maker there. I use the galley reefer for food, the aft dinette seat cooler as a beerator (actually any drinks) and an overflow for food that won't fit in the galley reefer. I use the forward dinette seat cooker as a freezer.
See you in a week or so, Eric. Kent SM243 Kristy
Today I was looking at the dishwasher which has never been used. I was thinking about taking it out, insulating it , adding a cold plate and then I would have a top opening reefer. Or possibly having a top opening stainless box fabricated . When we are on a passage with crew, they are always opening the reefer to get cold drinks.
What are Your thoughts? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Oh well, there goes that theory. Still like the looks of that 2 drawer fridge! Kent
Lady Annila is the last produced SM, she has no 232. No 233 is a SM2k.
/Annsofie
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] decrease in galvanic corrosion.
That's a big difference! Gotta go bury my head in there again and see what mine looks like. Kent On Sep 12, 2015, at 7:47 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
I took a look the rudder post today and noticed some rust on the connecting triangular plate. Just for fun I measured the galvanic activity with a silver probe. I cleaned off the rust and added some electrically conductive grease that I had recently purchased. After cleaning and installing the meter read -200 mv less. I plan on taking readings all over the boat. However this connection is probably the most important one on the boat as it connects everything to the zincs. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Addiyional refrigerator for Kimberlite
I've been looking askance at my unused dishwasher, too. I was thinking of adding a small ice maker there. I use the galley reefer for food, the aft dinette seat cooler as a beerator (actually any drinks) and an overflow for food that won't fit in the galley reefer. I use the forward dinette seat cooker as a freezer. See you in a week or so, Eric. Kent SM243 Kristy On Sep 12, 2015, at 7:41 PM, sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Today I was looking at the dishwasher which has never been used. I was thinking about taking it out, insulating it , adding a cold plate and then I would have a top opening reefer. Or possibly having a top opening stainless box fabricated . When we are on a passage with crew, they are always opening the reefer to get cold drinks.
What are Your thoughts? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Oh well, there goes that theory. Still like the looks of that 2 drawer fridge! Kent
Lady Annila is the last produced SM, she has no 232. No 233 is a SM2k.
/Annsofie
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Question regarding procedures for aligning engine on SM
Hi Todd, Not sure what you've gotten in replies, but here's my understanding of the alignment procedure. I have SM2K #243, but I think the procedure should be the same. First install the angle iron beds on new properly sized engine mounts. Use the old mounts to find the proper placement of the new ones. (Remove only one mount at a time, put the new engine bolt on the mount through the hole where the old one was. Mark new holes on the hull stringer if the new mount is not the same as the old one. Repeat with the other new mounts.) Drill and tap new holes as marked if necessary. (There is a thick steel plate about 1 1/2 inches into the stringer that has to be drilled and tapped for your bolts unless you are using mounts identical to the old ones... it takes a pretty long drill bit and tap.) Install the new mounts. (I had to grind down a hump on the stringers at the forward mounts to get them to sit flush on the stringers...it was about 4 mm high and grinding did not go through the glass on the stringer.) Next install the angle iron "beds" on the engine bolts as they were on the old mounts. Don't tighten the bolts to the stringers all the way. The beds should be centered exactly as they were on the original installation. The beds will need to be adjusted to height later, but for now put them at the heights above the stringers that the old ones were. The front and back heights will probably be different. Now install the CDrive. It will essentially lock itself into place when seated in the thru-hull opening. Bolt it to the beds using new mounts exactly like the originals. The lower part of the drive will not move or tilt in a forward-aft direction if the vertical shaft is seated properly. It will move some side-to-side until you bolt it to the keel with the stainless sleeve and rubber hose bushings. The bolt is stainless and the threads in the keel are not, so use some waterproof grease on the bolt. Have a machine shop make a fixed (not flexible) coupling of the exact thickness of your flexible coupling. Bolt holes will have to match those on your flexible coupling as well. Attach the fixed coupling to your CDrive. Now bring the engine down onto the beds and ease it forward to the fixed coupling. The transmission to coupling tolerance should be 1/1000 of an inch. Adjust the engine side to side by moving the mounts on the stringers (the bolt holes on one end of the mount will be oval shaped instead of round and should allow the bed to be moved ~1/4 inch side to side on the bolt holding the mount to the bed). Adjust it vertically by using the nuts on the engine mount bolts going through the beds. If further vertical adjustment is necessary, shims can be fitted between the beds and the engine. Keep at it until there is NO gap around the transmission to fixed coupling connection. In neutral the transmission and CDrive should turn easily and with no wobble. Watch the connection carefully as you turn the shaft to look for any gap anywhere around the connection. Once you've got alignment to satisfactory tolerance with the fixed coupling, tighten down the bolts that fix the mounts to the stringers, and the nuts that fix the height of the beds, and tighten the nuts that fix the beds to the mounts. Check alignment tolerance again to confirm that nothing moved as you were tightening bolts and nuts. Confirm height of any shims needed between the beds and the engine. Now remove the engine from the beds and fixed coupling, and slide it back a little. Install the flexible coupling, and bring the engine back forward to make the final attachments to the bed and flexible coupling. Again, turn the shaft in neutral and watch the small gap between the two halves of the flexible coupling to make certain it is the same width all the way around the coupling. If not, start over with the alignment using the fixed coupling. Once after a few hours running time, and again every week or so for the next 100 hours check all mounting bolts and nuts and the flexible coupling bolts to ensure they haven't gotten loose. If something's loose, check the coupling gap closely to make sure nothing has changed. I hope that's reasonably clear. Olivier, anyone else...what did I leave out? Kent SM243 Kristy Currently Long Island Sound On Sep 12, 2015, at 2:15 PM, smallworldsailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi, sorry, for not correctly entering the boat info. It is a 1990 SM hull #25. I have the old style drive unit with a MAX prop. The prop is fine, and the vibration actually becomes LESS when in gear and at higher RPMs, so I don't believe the problem is in the drive train itself, but rather in the engine bed alignment. But of course, if I change the adjustment on the mounts of the bed, then this could put tremendous pressure on the C drive. I'm just trying to find out the steps / proceedure to check and correct the alignment of the engine, bed and C drive. |
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decrease in galvanic corrosion.
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
I took a look the rudder post today and noticed some rust on the connecting triangular plate. Just for fun I measured the galvanic activity with a silver probe. I cleaned off the rust and added some electrically conductive grease that I had recently purchased. After cleaning and installing the meter read -200 mv less. I plan on taking readings all over the boat. However this connection is probably the most important one on the boat as it connects everything to the zincs. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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Addiyional refrigerator for Kimberlite
sailormon <kimberlite@...>
Today I was looking at the dishwasher which has never been used. I was thinking about taking it out, insulating it , adding a cold plate and then I would have a top opening reefer. Or possibly having a top opening stainless box fabricated . When we are on a passage with crew, they are always opening the reefer to get cold drinks.
What are Your thoughts? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 7:16 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Refrigerator replacement 1998 SM
Oh well, there goes that theory. Still like the looks of that 2 drawer fridge! Kent
Lady Annila is the last produced SM, she has no 232. No 233 is a SM2k.
/Annsofie
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Refrigerator replacement 1998 SM
Oh well, there goes that theory. Still like the looks of that 2 drawer fridge! Kent On Sep 12, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Lady Annila is the last produced SM, she has no 232. No 233 is a SM2k. /Annsofie Skickat från min iPad
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel 54 Battery Monitor
James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
Hi Jeff, thanks for the reply. How do you like the boat? Where are you headed when you go south? I am afraid I am stuck here this winter, but definitely will be going down to the Caribbean next fall. Jamie Phantom On Friday, September 11, 2015 9:19 AM, "Jeff Wingfield ki4jde@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: Hello James: We are in Wilmington, still learning the boat. I am sorry you have experienced the Volvo problems. I am not aware of similar issues in other 54s. Our plan is to head south in December. Jeff LAST TANGO (ex LONE STAR) On Sep 11, 2015, at 08:26, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Refrigerator replacement 1998 SM
Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
Lady Annila is the last produced SM, she has no 232. No 233 is a SM2k. /Annsofie Skickat från min iPad
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Re: Question regarding procedures for aligning engine on SM
smallworldsailor@...
Hi, sorry, for not correctly entering the boat info. It is a 1990 SM hull #25. I have the old style drive unit with a MAX prop. The prop is fine, and the vibration actually becomes LESS when in gear and at higher RPMs, so I don't believe the problem is in the drive train itself, but rather in the engine bed alignment. But of course, if I change the adjustment on the mounts of the bed, then this could put tremendous pressure on the C drive. I'm just trying to find out the steps / proceedure to check and correct the alignment of the engine, bed and C drive.
Thanks! Todd Duff MYMOTU |
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Re: Amel 54 Mainsail furler removal
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Paul;
Aty is my wife, I'm Mohammad. I'm glad you remove it. Ours had some water that had penetrated as well. Not quite as much as you have. Riza, from Emek Marin in Turkey had his guys look at it and they determined that it was beyond repair. He ordered a new from from Amel. As far as I know these are custom made for Amel and we cannot buy direct. Good luck. Aty and Mohammad B&B Kokomo Amel 54 #99 |
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Re: Amel 54 Mainsail furler removal
ya_fohi
Aty,
I have managed to remove it with your advice so many thanks for that indeed. It looks like its half full of water! My guess is that you had the same problem and it was not viable to repair so you replaced it - is that correct? If so did you order a new one from Amel or is there somewhere else I can get a replacement from? Cheers, Paul |
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Refrigerator replacement 1998 SM
That's what I was thinking. Is yours an SM2K? Maybe that was one of the 2K changes? Kent On Sep 12, 2015, at 3:13 AM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg kanalmamman@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: We have your configuration Kent, but not changed yet. I think it will be easier for us since we can /have to remove the washing machine to remove the old fridge. /Annsofie S/Y Lady Annila, SM232 Skickat från min iPad
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 in the Newport and Annapolis Boat Shows
Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
If you are on Facebook, it is a group, AmelYachtOwners. Where You can post your boat as well. /Annsofie S/Y Lady Annila Skickat från min iPad
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