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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Tiolet fresh or raw

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Pat,

From experience, if you pump 20 strokes minimum for each flush, you will minimize the smell problem.  Also, as a departure procedure, I empty the bowl then fill with vinegar then flush until empty, then close the through hull valve.

Never a smell on return and the vinegar clears the pipes.  Guaranteed! 

As to TOTMBO, (The One That Must Be Obeyed), its your call...  :-)

GL

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM007


On 13 Sep 2014, at 13:56, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We now have a manual raw toilet in the forward head, only a couple years old. My wife wants me to replace it with an electric one. I am debating between fresh water or raw water. Raw water would be easier to install and we live in fresh water , but will be in salt for six months a year. Fresh water would be more hassle to install and would use a significant amount of our fresh water, but has its advantages of being quiet , no salt build up and reduce smell from rotting organisms in the water. I was wondering if most of you have fresh or salt and which way to go. Of course another option , would be to ignore my wife's wishes .  Thanks, Pat SM 123


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster maintenance

karkauai
 

Thanks John, I should have said I didn't know what the material is, and haven't had the hubs machined yet as I have a couple of Amel spares.  Now we know.  I wonder how hard Delrin is to find?
Kent
SM243
Kristy


On Sep 13, 2014, at 4:11 AM, "'Anne and John Hollamby ' annejohnholl@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Just a word of warning. The white plastic hubs and indeed many other such parts fabricated by Amel are made of a hard plastic which is Delrin. I specified this when I had some bits made by the machinist here in Manoel Island Boatyard but they used alookalike but much weaker plastic which was totally useless when I eventually used it. Google “Delrin Plastic” which will confirm it’s qualities.
 
                                    Good luck!   Anne and John,  Bali Hai, SM319,  for sale in Malta
 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster maintenance
 
 

Sorry Derrick, I'm not on the boat.  I know Chuck should have my previous order for the lip seals for the main prop shaft.  You need 3 of them.  I think I also got the lip seals for my bow thruster from him.  There's a small one for the prop shaft and a large one where the vertical shaft goes through the hull.  There were already on the boat several of the larger neoprene seals that go around the vertical shaft above and below the hull, so I haven't tried to find replacements yet.  The hubs are a proprietary Amel part, but you can get the nylon bolts at any good hardware store.  You could probably have several hubs turned at a machine shop for about what you'd pay Amel to shop them to you.
I'll be back on the boat next weekend and can get the sizes for all of them if you need me to.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Sep 12, 2014, at 12:43 PM, "derickgates@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

 

Do you have the part numbers for the bow thruster lip seal and the prop shaft lip seals as used by Carolina Seal?  Are these both 60mm, but different types of seals?  I have not yet changed out either one.

 

Derick

 

SM2K #400 Brava

Currently on the hard at Bailey's Boatyard

Falmouth Harbor, Antigua
Tiolet fresh or raw

Patrick McAneny
 

We now have a manual raw toilet in the forward head, only a couple years old. My wife wants me to replace it with an electric one. I am debating between fresh water or raw water. Raw water would be easier to install and we live in fresh water , but will be in salt for six months a year. Fresh water would be more hassle to install and would use a significant amount of our fresh water, but has its advantages of being quiet , no salt build up and reduce smell from rotting organisms in the water. I was wondering if most of you have fresh or salt and which way to go. Of course another option , would be to ignore my wife's wishes .  Thanks, Pat SM 123
Outhaul

Patrick McAneny
 

I have read many postings about outhaul line and I want to replace mine. What I have now looks to be normal polyester double braid and has worked well, although I have never sailed in 40 plus wind, it may slip in strong conditions but never has. Is there a reason that I should not replace it with Polyester double braid ? Its very strong and low stretch.        Thanks , Pat SM 123
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Light Air Sails / Bow Sprits and attachment points

kimberlite@...
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RARITAN Electroscan spares

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

www.accastillage-diffusion.com sell it so I would have thought could get spare parts?

 

I am thinking of installing one of these and am interested in any positive / negative feedback on them.

 

Andrew

 

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 10:11 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] RARITAN Electroscan spares

 

 

Good morning everybody,
we are using an Electroscan since three years and are satisfied. However normal maintennance with acid do not provide anymore solution to the decrease of amps. Now our indicator is nearly constantly in red.
Has anyone the same device and experience about it?
I plan to change the electrode plate but cannot find it in France. Any clue about how to purchase it in the US or in Europe (France, Greece)?
Thanks in advance and fair winds
Alain
PILGRIM SM2K #26

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu Staysail

alainfeuillet@...
 

Hi Alexander,
you are right: above 15° heel, our SM just moves more water but does not progress faster, without speaking of comfort.
The blue furled sail belongs to another boat moored on the other side of the poontoon, stern to...
fair winds
Alain
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster maintenance

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Just a word of warning. The white plastic hubs and indeed many other such parts fabricated by Amel are made of a hard plastic which is Delrin. I specified this when I had some bits made by the machinist here in Manoel Island Boatyard but they used alookalike but much weaker plastic which was totally useless when I eventually used it. Google “Delrin Plastic” which will confirm it’s qualities.
 
                                    Good luck!   Anne and John,  Bali Hai, SM319,  for sale in Malta
 

Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster maintenance
 
 

Sorry Derrick, I'm not on the boat.  I know Chuck should have my previous order for the lip seals for the main prop shaft.  You need 3 of them.  I think I also got the lip seals for my bow thruster from him.  There's a small one for the prop shaft and a large one where the vertical shaft goes through the hull.  There were already on the boat several of the larger neoprene seals that go around the vertical shaft above and below the hull, so I haven't tried to find replacements yet.  The hubs are a proprietary Amel part, but you can get the nylon bolts at any good hardware store.  You could probably have several hubs turned at a machine shop for about what you'd pay Amel to shop them to you.
I'll be back on the boat next weekend and can get the sizes for all of them if you need me to.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Sep 12, 2014, at 12:43 PM, "derickgates@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

 

Do you have the part numbers for the bow thruster lip seal and the prop shaft lip seals as used by Carolina Seal?  Are these both 60mm, but different types of seals?  I have not yet changed out either one.

 

Derick

 

SM2K #400 Brava

Currently on the hard at Bailey's Boatyard

Falmouth Harbor, Antigua
RARITAN Electroscan spares

alainfeuillet@...
 

Good morning everybody,
we are using an Electroscan since three years and are satisfied. However normal maintennance with acid do not provide anymore solution to the decrease of amps. Now our indicator is nearly constantly in red.
Has anyone the same device and experience about it?
I plan to change the electrode plate but cannot find it in France. Any clue about how to purchase it in the US or in Europe (France, Greece)?
Thanks in advance and fair winds
Alain
PILGRIM SM2K #26
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Light Air Sails / Bow Sprits and attachment points

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

I also had the ATN tacker. I sold it because the first time I used it, the movement of the Tacker on the genoa chafed the genoa and the threads that attach the sun cover to the genoa had to be replaced.

If you use the ATN Tacker keep an eye on things.

I had a sock made for our mizzen ballooner at Rolly Tasker when we were in Thailand. I think most full service sail lofts can add a sock or snuffer to a ballooner...it is not difficult. I know one Super Maramu owner that made a sock himself, including the fabrication of the fiberglass ring...pf course he also made perfect bow thruster propellers, also.

One hint: If you use a sock or a snuffer on the ballooner, or a asymmetrical sail, the easiest way to snuff the sail is to first go downwind at about 150 degrees, let out some sheet until the sail is losing air, then release the tack ...the sail will gently fly in the direction of the wind, then snuff the sail. easiest way to do release the tack, is to buy a snap shackle that will open when the lanyard is pulled even when the shackle is under load.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Derrick,

I thought the mizzen ballooner came standard with the sock... I have to thanks the previous owner for that!
Yes, this is so easy to use with the sock (of course I can not compare since I have never tried on a set-up withou it). I can do it alone.
I wouldn't change anything to the set-up I have (I believe this is the same as on the ATN web site).

Unfortunately I don't know what size it is, but looking at their web site you just give the lenght:
http://www.atninc.com/atn-spinnaker-sleeve.shtml
I would suspect he kept record for each boat.
It is supposed to rain over the weekend, but once it stop I can pull it out and check if there is anything written and take pictures.

here are some pictures I previously took. For those who have not met Bill (SV Bebe) you can see him.
http://www.nikimat.com/ballooner_mizzen.html

Differently, regarding the Assymetrical spinaker, I forgot to mention I also have the "Tacker".
http://www.atninc.com/atn-tacker-sailing-equipment.shtml
But again have not use the Assymetrical spinaker.

Here is a picture of the Assymetrical spinaker and Bill (SV Bebe) when he came to visit, you can see written 54' #14934

http://www.nikimat.com/assymetrical_spinaker.html

Hope that helps.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
 Bay Street Marina, Nassau, Bahamas

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On Fri, 9/12/14, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Light Air Sails / Bow Sprits and attachment points
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, September 12, 2014, 12:13 PM


 









Alexandre, I don't have a
spinnaker, but I do have a mizzen ballooner.  What size is
your mizzen ballooner sock from ATN?  That seems like a
worthwhile addition.  anything you would change about
it? Derick SM2K #400
Brava
 









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow thruster maintenance

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Here are some pictures I took last November when I overhaul my bow thruster following the instruction written by Gary Silver and anoted by Bill Rouse.

I was intimidated by the task as I am sure everyone will be for the first time, so here step by step pictures that I think will reassure.
They are 80 pictures...
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Good luck!

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Bay Street Marina, Nassau, The Bahamas


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On Fri, 9/12/14, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow thruster maintenance
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, September 12, 2014, 1:10 AM


 









Curt,
If I were you, and since this is
apparently your first time, I would order the things you
need from Amel (sav"at"amel.fr). 
The following is the list I gave
Amel for Super Maramu 387 parts will vary from year
to year...be sure and include your Model and Hull number
with your order.Amel Parts
Order:Propeller Shaft Wear Bushing and Seals
(3) Replacement Kit1Seal
for Amel C Drive oil drain1Set of 3
foam donuts for Bow
Thruster1Set of Nylon Screws (for propeller)
for Bow Thruster2Nylon Hub and stainless steel pin
(for propeller) for Bow
Thruster2Shaft Seal for Bow
Thruster160mm Tube Seal for Bow
Thruster1
You might want to order 2
each where I indicated if you have an extra bow thruster
prop. When we were all new with Amels we either came very
close to a line fouling the bow thruster prop, or we did
foul it and the nylon parts break away saving the internal
parts. Unfortunately the prop goes to the bottom...you
either dive for it, or you leave it on the bottom. Servicing
the bow thruster "in-the-water" requires a special
tool that is in the photo section of the Amel Owners Group
website.There are some useful photos here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1587075684
Sometimes the hub of the
bow thruster propeller is a little difficult to remove from
the shaft. Before you try to remove it, look at the way your
new part is made. If it is difficult, patience and care are
your best resources.

If it
has been a while since it the bow thruster was serviced, you
may find it difficult to separate the shaft tube from the
electric motor. The best way is to fabricate the metal tool
shown in the photo link above. The second best way is to
disconnect the "up-line" from the top of the
motor, and from the outside of the boat you raise the motor
and quickly pull down on the thruster tube. I did this once
after using a lot of penetrating oil at the junction of the
tube and motor. It took about a dozen rather violent
downward pulls to do this. I later discovered the tool
pictured in the group of photos above.
The reason the tube will
get stuck is that there has been saltwater seepage while the
bow thruster is down. The reasons for the seepage are
generally:You forget the bow
thruster is down and sail some distance with it down
The bow thruster need service and the
seals are worn
You have deployed
the bow thruster down in rough seas.

Use plenty of waterproof
grease at the junction of the tube and the motor when you
reassemble it.
The service is not
difficult and the amount of time to complete the service
decreases with each service you perform.
I hope this helps you...and
assuming that you are new, welcome to the Group and
Amel.
BillBeBe 387

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at
3:16 AM, sail2live@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









I have downloaded and read the various PDF files
re. thruster maint. and seal replacement.

Thanks very much to those that
have posted those files.

Our Maramu is in Fajardo, PR and I intend to do
the maint. in Nov. before we launch.

Q:  Where do I buy the parts for the
maintenance and for spares aboard?

Thank you for your help.

Fair Winds

Curt Epperson
S/V Languedoc

































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster maintenance

karkauai
 

Sorry Derrick, I'm not on the boat.  I know Chuck should have my previous order for the lip seals for the main prop shaft.  You need 3 of them.  I think I also got the lip seals for my bow thruster from him.  There's a small one for the prop shaft and a large one where the vertical shaft goes through the hull.  There were already on the boat several of the larger neoprene seals that go around the vertical shaft above and below the hull, so I haven't tried to find replacements yet.  The hubs are a proprietary Amel part, but you can get the nylon bolts at any good hardware store.  You could probably have several hubs turned at a machine shop for about what you'd pay Amel to shop them to you.
I'll be back on the boat next weekend and can get the sizes for all of them if you need me to.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Sep 12, 2014, at 12:43 PM, "derickgates@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent,

 

Do you have the part numbers for the bow thruster lip seal and the prop shaft lip seals as used by Carolina Seal?  Are these both 60mm, but different types of seals?  I have not yet changed out either one.

 

Derick

 

SM2K #400 Brava

Currently on the hard at Bailey's Boatyard

Falmouth Harbor, Antigua
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: bow thruster maintenance

kimberlite@...
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Light Air Sails / Bow Sprits and attachment points

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Derrick,

I thought the mizzen ballooner came standard with the sock... I have to thanks the previous owner for that!
Yes, this is so easy to use with the sock (of course I can not compare since I have never tried on a set-up withou it). I can do it alone.
I wouldn't change anything to the set-up I have (I believe this is the same as on the ATN web site).

Unfortunately I don't know what size it is, but looking at their web site you just give the lenght:
http://www.atninc.com/atn-spinnaker-sleeve.shtml
I would suspect he kept record for each boat.
It is supposed to rain over the weekend, but once it stop I can pull it out and check if there is anything written and take pictures.

here are some pictures I previously took. For those who have not met Bill (SV Bebe) you can see him.
http://www.nikimat.com/ballooner_mizzen.html



Differently, regarding the Assymetrical spinaker, I forgot to mention I also have the "Tacker".
http://www.atninc.com/atn-tacker-sailing-equipment.shtml
But again have not use the Assymetrical spinaker.

Here is a picture of the Assymetrical spinaker and Bill (SV Bebe) when he came to visit, you can see written 54' #14934

http://www.nikimat.com/assymetrical_spinaker.html

Hope that helps.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Bay Street Marina, Nassau, Bahamas


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On Fri, 9/12/14, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Light Air Sails / Bow Sprits and attachment points
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, September 12, 2014, 12:13 PM


 









Alexandre, I don't have a
spinnaker, but I do have a mizzen ballooner.  What size is
your mizzen ballooner sock from ATN?  That seems like a
worthwhile addition.  anything you would change about
it? Derick SM2K #400
Brava
 









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Re: Light Air Sails / Bow Sprits and attachment points

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Alexandre,

 

I don't have a spinnaker, but I do have a mizzen ballooner.  What size is your mizzen ballooner sock from ATN?  That seems like a worthwhile addition.  anything you would change about it?

 

Derick

 

SM2K #400 Brava


 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Left Hand or Right Hand Thread Standing Rigging Turnbuckles

Mark Erdos
 

Gary,

 

I will be very interested in the cost of this. We have it in our plan to replace standing rigging on Cream Puff next summer and I would like to budget for this.

 

We too wish to keep it as original as possible. If Amel did something, there was probably good reason. And, it is the lone gazelle that gets eaten by the lion.

 

Are you stateside? Do know who is going to do the work for you? My understanding is Amel’s are rigged tighter than most other vessels and a knowledgeable rigger is key to ensure the specs are met.

 

We will be east coast next year and were looking at either Ft. Lauderdale area or Chesapeake area for a good rigger. Or, is it worthwhile to go to Amel Martinique? We are pretty clueless on this.

 

Best regards,

 

Mark

 

SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 12:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Left Hand or Right Hand Thread Standing Rigging Turnbuckles

 

 

As has been mentioned on this forum several times, there seems to be quite a difference in price when replacing the standing rigging from ECMO (Amel's Original Equipment Manufacturer, OEM)  if you use right hand thread turnbuckles as opposed to the left hand thread turnbuckles originally supplied by Amel. 

 

Knowing that Amel almost always had a good reason for doing what they did, I would like to direct this question primarily to Olivier Beaute, if you are following this forum, or anyone else for that matter that might know with authority, why Amel used left hand thread turnbuckles?  I plan on getting my new rigging from ACMO in December and would like to understand the Amel theory prior to purchasing.

 

I was originally going to use StaLoks and do it myself until I discovered the discordance in the clevis pin sizes that would require me to modify (drill or ream) the various bits on the boat to accept larger clevis pins.  Plus, I think I am getting old and perhaps a little lazy.  Still, the idea of keeping my boat as original as possible remains appealing. 

 

Thanks in advance Olivier for sharing your expertise. I still remember with fondness the time our family and you spent together in the new Amel owners program in 2001 when we took delivery.

 

Sincerely, 

 

Gary Silver, 

s/v Liahona  SM # 335
Re: bow thruster maintenance

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Kent,

 

Do you have the part numbers for the bow thruster lip seal and the prop shaft lip seals as used by Carolina Seal?  Are these both 60mm, but different types of seals?  I have not yet changed out either one.

 

Derick

 

SM2K #400 Brava

Currently on the hard at Bailey's Boatyard

Falmouth Harbor, Antigua
Left Hand or Right Hand Thread Standing Rigging Turnbuckles

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

As has been mentioned on this forum several times, there seems to be quite a difference in price when replacing the standing rigging from ECMO (Amel's Original Equipment Manufacturer, OEM)  if you use right hand thread turnbuckles as opposed to the left hand thread turnbuckles originally supplied by Amel. 


Knowing that Amel almost always had a good reason for doing what they did, I would like to direct this question primarily to Olivier Beaute, if you are following this forum, or anyone else for that matter that might know with authority, why Amel used left hand thread turnbuckles?  I plan on getting my new rigging from ACMO in December and would like to understand the Amel theory prior to purchasing.


I was originally going to use StaLoks and do it myself until I discovered the discordance in the clevis pin sizes that would require me to modify (drill or ream) the various bits on the boat to accept larger clevis pins.  Plus, I think I am getting old and perhaps a little lazy.  Still, the idea of keeping my boat as original as possible remains appealing. 


Thanks in advance Olivier for sharing your expertise. I still remember with fondness the time our family and you spent together in the new Amel owners program in 2001 when we took delivery.


Sincerely, 


Gary Silver, 

s/v Liahona  SM # 335
Re: watermaker

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Keith:

Sodium and Potassium metabisulfite are just different salts of the same metabisulfite moiety.  They can been used interchangeably as far as I can determine in examining their Material Data Sheets.  Once they are dissolved in water they dissociate into the metabisulfite and free sodium ion or free potassium ion.  It is the metabisulfite part that is corrosive to metal and damaging to rubber seals and o-rings, so limit the exposure of your system (i.e. don't leave it "pickled" in this stuff for weeks or months at a time like I was advised to do early on, 2001).  Use it in the recommended doses (google the data sheets if it isn't specified on the labeling) and once you have sanitized your system thoroughly rinse the system with desalinated water from your tanks.  Of course you should be monitoring the TDS (total dissolved solids) and/or EC (electrical conductivity) of your desalinated water to assure that you are producing good quality water. 

Best to you, 

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona   SM #335
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electrical hit during transport

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

We had a 2,500 euro deductible with SevenStar Male to Marmaris.

Bill
BeBe
 

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill and Kent,

Yes, the damage will be covered by the transport insurance but with a 7000 deductible :-(  Normally I have a lower deductible, but with Sevenstar Transport it was a package deal with the shipping. Everything else about the transit was excellent. 
Have found good resources in Palm Beach for insurance quotes and repairs.  Damaged is mostly to electronic equipage.  
Thanks for asking,
Craig Briggs SN#68
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