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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 for Sale

Chris Flack

#21012

Personally I like scanning through all the emails and threads. If there are any that may not hold interest, I'll skip others I devour.

I enjoy the prerogative to choose what I read and the less work the moderators have to do the better. I am fascinated that we are from all corners of the globe with many common interests and respect all comments.

Well done everyone

Chris
Hemera SM031
Soon to head to Turkey and the Med

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 for Sale

I agree with Rink. As many of us are likely to develop friendships as we cruise around, some social/newsy references are welcomed. Additionally, most of us have held responsible posts in industry so we should manage a broadly spaced latitude in our personal relations.

BUT… I have only been a member for about 2 years and am very much a neophyte here!

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain

S/Y Eleuthera, SM 007

On 20 Apr 2015, at 07:36, Rink de Haan rinkdehaan@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Dear all,

Maybe we should leave the moderating of this forum to the moderator.

I am happy with (most of) the postings I've seen. We sadly enough lost one of our members becaus of "over-moderating" this forum by it's members.
For me it's okay that people discuss their gatherings, the sale of their Amels and even the social things that bond us as cruisers like the plea from Dave Benjamin for support of people in out most beloved sailing areas.

So let's develop some tolerance on using this forum. This forum is something precious that's part of the value (and values) of Amel.

Best regards,

Rink de Haan
Amel SM #330 Razor's Edge

Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Converting Maramu fridge/freezer to water cooling

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#20961

Graham,

Welcome to the "club" and the Group.

I am going to answer your question indirectly. I hope that is OK with you.

My first piece of advice is sort of like the "Prime Directive" which is don't attempt to "change" anything on your Amel to make it "better" until you have lived on her for at least a year and three years is best. This Prime Directive may not fit your refrigeration question, but I will get to that shortly. Unless you have owned an Amel, you will not have the deep appreciation for the design and systems that Captain Henri Amel has given each of us. Most of us have gained that appreciation over time. I was discovering some small features that made me say, "WoW" at five years ownership.

Now that I have said what almost all of us believe, let me comment on your refrigeration. First, I am not an expert, so what I am passing on to you is based on my experience. I cruised the Caribbean for several years with air cooled refrigeration. The benefit that I had over those with water cooled refrigeration was:

When I hauled the boat for maintenance and antifouling, I did not have to empty the refrigerator or freezer.
Each of the boats that I met had many difficulties with the growth of fouling inside their systems to include barnacles, other creatures and stuff. It was a constant problem and a bigger problem in certain areas.

Refrigeration has improved since your Amel was made. Yes, water cooled is more efficient than air, but tell me the daily amperage you use now and what you expect. Depending on your refrigerator, you may find ways to improve the efficiency of your current system. And I am betting that there is a Maramu owner here that may have a suggestion for you.

I hope that I do not come across too arrogant, but I am a Texan and it is in my DNA...some things cannot be helped. ;)

Good luck and fair sailing on your Maramu. Remember to "respect the sea" ~ Henri Amel

And, remember to "respect the Captain (Henri Amel)" ~ Bill Rouse

Best,

Bill

BeBe 387

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On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 9:41 PM, cresswell_graham@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I have just acquired a 1988 Maramu and am new to this list.

Does anyone have any experience of converting the Amel fridge/freezer to sea water cooling? I am in the Caribbean and air cooling isn't particularly efficient.

All advice appreciated.

Graham Cresswell
S/Y Jamesby
hull number 240

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 for Sale

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>

#20960

I agree with Rink. As many of us are likely to develop friendships as we cruise around, some social/newsy references are welcomed. Additionally, most of us have held responsible posts in industry so we should manage a broadly spaced latitude in our personal relations.

BUT… I have only been a member for about 2 years and am very much a neophyte here!

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain

S/Y Eleuthera, SM 007

On 20 Apr 2015, at 07:36, Rink de Haan rinkdehaan@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Dear all,

Maybe we should leave the moderating of this forum to the moderator.

I am happy with (most of) the postings I've seen. We sadly enough lost one of our members becaus of "over-moderating" this forum by it's members.
For me it's okay that people discuss their gatherings, the sale of their Amels and even the social things that bond us as cruisers like the plea from Dave Benjamin for support of people in out most beloved sailing areas.

So let's develop some tolerance on using this forum. This forum is something precious that's part of the value (and values) of Amel.

Best regards,

Rink de Haan
Amel SM #330 Razor's Edge

Jean-Pierre Germain,
Chief Pilot, Cozuro Limited,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 for Sale

Rink De Haan

#20959

Dear all,

Maybe we should leave the moderating of this forum to the moderator.

I am happy with (most of) the postings I've seen. We sadly enough lost one of our members becaus of "over-moderating" this forum by it's members.

For me it's okay that people discuss their gatherings, the sale of their Amels and even the social things that bond us as cruisers like the plea from Dave Benjamin for support of people in out most beloved sailing areas.

So let's develop some tolerance on using this forum. This forum is something precious that's part of the value (and values) of Amel.

Best regards,

Rink de Haan

Amel SM #330 Razor's Edge

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Old Maramu 46 mainsail outhaul electromotor specification

Vaclav Raza <razavaclav@...>

#20958

Good morning Bill,
It will be great if You can help.

At the moment I need 12V mainsail outhaul electric motor for Amel Maramu build in 1986, hull no. 199.
( I would also like to buy spare one for roller furler )

My contact info:

phone: 00420 602366232
e-mail:  razavaclav@...

Best regards

Vic
S/Y Hatty


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On Sun, 4/19/15, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Old Maramu 46 mainsail outhaul electromotor specification
 To: amelyachtowners@...
 Date: Sunday, April 19, 2015, 8:25 PM


  









       Vic,



 What is it you want from SAV?



 Let me write them for you. Maybe your emails go to their
 spam folder.



 Let me know, I will be very happy to help.



 Bill Rouse

 BeBe Amel 53 #387
 
 Sent from my tablet

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] PANTAENIUS America Ltd

peter killen <peterkillen@...>

#20956

Pantaenius refused to insure me when I decided to sail to Antarctica in 2004/2005. I finally got insurance through Topsail insurance Brokers (Who advertise through the OCC Journal). They have arranged my insurance ever since, no matter where I have sailed, including Arctic, East coast of the USA and Canada, and nearly everywhere else in the North and South Atlantic. Never a problem, and for those who have had the misfortune of a claim, I believe, never a problem.

They also arrange our annual travel insurance which is specifically designed to cover yachting folk

Regards,

Peter

SM 433 Pure Magic

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On 19 Apr 2015, at 13:44, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Good morning,

Last July in Nassau a powerboat insured by Pantaenius lost control then panic in the marina destroying my boat pulpit.
A month later, Pantaenius only wanted to accept 50% responsibility.
Reasons involved: my boat was longer than the slip, it is not out client’s fault, as your witness wrote there was current and wind, etc.
I spent lots of time talking to lawyers to explain Mr Delassee and his expert Mr Rousselon these reasons had no legal value.

Mr Delassee nor Mr Rousselon ever defended my interest, and keep wanting me to accept 50% responsibility.
I contacted directly my insurance company (Helvetia), explained the situation and they totally agreed that I was not at fault.

Repair have started last week. I trust Helvetia will honor the repairs (I have to advance the money). I will post an update.

I will never use again Mr Delassee as a broker, he is worthless. I already ask Helvetia to introduce me to another one.

Regarding Pantaenius, view the lies they used, I would not use them either.

And by the way, I am very lucky there was witness, which were marina employees…

I can write the complete detail story if needed.

During that whole process there was many funny anecdotes Mr Delassee writing: “Mr Uster we told you not to be in US water”.
My reply (which made laugh Helvetia): “Nassau is in the Bahamas, which has been independent from the UK for 41 years. Has nothing to do with US water, the only thing that is US is the boat that hit me and this could have happened any where”.
Plus for info, I pay 30% more premium for cruising US water (as american insurance are notorious to make things hard when an accident happened).
Many insurance will not insure foreign vessel in US water.

Anyway, hope that helps…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
In repair in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA.

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On Sun, 4/19/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] PANTAENIUS America Ltd
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, April 19, 2015, 4:52 AM

Pantanaeius pulled the policy we
wrote with them in NZ when www reached Malaysia a year
later. They said it was because of new risks in the area. Of
course it cost us a new survey for a new insurance company.

I believe Pantanaeius has different rules in
different parts of the world, and for that reason it is
probably not a company for someone crossing oceans and
visiting other countries.
Because of what Pantanaeius did to us, I will
not consider them again. We have a policy with Geoffroy de
Lassée gdelassee"at"assurances-delassee.com,
and they do specialize in Amels. Write him and ask him for a
copy of the policy they have on BeBe. BTW, the policy does
not cover BeBe in US waters, and they will not cover a boat
with a USA home port. If you are a USA lawyer, you know
why. BeBe is USA documented vessel with a USA address and
a home port of St. Thomas. It is easy and completely legal
to change your home port with the USCG.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

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HiThis appended in Thailand
about 10 years ago. Cruisers in their 60s who were going
to Chagos wrote to pay their premium early as communications
would be difficult. The Aussie couple were told their policy
would not be renewed.Rather than have
Akwaaba's policy refused we looked around for another
insurer...QBE.Later at the Southampton boat
show we approached the CEO of Pantanaeius ,an Amel owner,
who said that a policy to an Amel would not be refused! He
claimed there was a high rate of lightening damage in SE
Asia.
Chris Smither
,Santorin Sloop ,1990

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from my iPad
On 19 Apr 2015, at
01:37, Steve Davis flyboyscd@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Hi Eric,
We also have Pantaenius, but have
not yet received a letter like yours. My guess is we will
all get this, as it sounds like they are changing the times
and cruising grounds a bit. Our policy is not up for renewal
until February 2016, and we may not get this notice until
closer to that date. It does not sound as if they intend to
cancel your policy, but will require you to acknowledge the
changes before issuing a renewal. I have to admit, this is a
strange way to go about it, as it would seem more reasonable
to just send out the renewal with the new rules and price,
and you could accept it or not. It also indicates the price
will be going up, and I'd like to know by how
much.
I'll plan
to call my agent with Pantaenius on Monday, and see what he
can tell me. If you hear anything more, please post it on
the forum.
Regards,Steve a
DavisS/V Aloha SM72St Augustine, FL

On Apr 18, 2015, at
14:48, sailormon kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

I just receive a
note from the above insurance company that my policy will
not be renewed I have not had
anyClaims on any boat
ever. Has anyone else received this non-renewal notice, and
what is it all about .It is very legalese
and very hard to understand. It seems like it only applies
to the west coast and Mexican
waters.Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel
Super Maramu #376
As of January
2015, the Pantaenius America Yacht policy will no longer be
automatically renewing, As such, we are required to
deliver a notice of non-renewal (attached) and your existing
policy will be terminating on its renewal date.

Additionally, we have updated
our West Coast Cruising areas as stated below in order to
better serve the individual cruising needs of our insureds.
The rates may have increased due to the recent weather
related catastrophic events as well as the new weather
trends we’ve been seeing. If you are interested in
receiving a quotation for the 2015-2016 policy term, please
respond to this email indicating the option of your choice
and a premium quotation can be provided.If your
upcoming cruising plans are not reflected in the options
below, please provide a detailed itinerary so a premium
quotation can be offered.

I: If the vessel will NOT be, south 30.5
degrees, the following cruising area will apply:
Inland waters, bays and coastal
waters east to 50° West Longitude and west to 135° West
Longitude, and north to 52° North Latitude, and south to
30.5° North Latitude.II. If the vessel will be
navigating in Mexican waters between November 2nd
through July 14th (not in Mexico during the
Summer/Fall season), we can offer the following
cruising area: Canadian and United States Pacific
Coast and Inland Waters, and Bays and Mexican Pacific
Coastal Waters, west to 135 degrees West Longitude, east to
98 degrees West Longitude, north to 52 degrees North
Latitude and south to 30.5 degrees North Latitude.
Navigation is extended to allow the vessel to be within 30.5
degrees North Latitude and 7 degrees North Latitude and east
to 77.5 degrees West Longitude in the Pacific Ocean. Waters
of the Panama Canal are excluded. It is warranted that the
vessel is not south of 30.5 degrees North Latitude in the
Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of
Mexico, Pacific Ocean, waters of Mexico, and the Panama
Canal between July 15th and November
1st.III. If the vessel will be
remaining in Mexican waters for the storm season, July
15th through November 1st, we
can offer the following cruising area:
Canadian and United States Pacific
Coast and Inland Waters, and Bays and Mexican Pacific
Coastal Waters, west to 135 degrees West Longitude, east to
98 degrees West Longitude, north to 52 degrees North
Latitude and south to 30.5 degrees North Latitude.
Navigation is extended to allow the vessel to be within 30.5
degrees North Latitude and 7 degrees North Latitude and east
to 77.5 degrees West Longitude in the Pacific Ocean. Waters
of the Panama Canal are excluded. Option III requires we have the a
Named Tropical Storm Plan Warranty Form completed and
returned to our office for review and approval to determine
a separate Named Storm
deductible.If we do not receive a response
from you, your policy will terminate on it’s renewal date
as noted above. Feel free to contact our office with any
questions.

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Converting Maramu fridge/freezer to water cooling

cresswell_graham@...

#20955

I have just acquired a 1988 Maramu and am new to this list.

Does anyone have any experience of converting the Amel fridge/freezer to sea water cooling? I am in the Caribbean and air cooling isn't particularly efficient.

All advice appreciated.

Graham Cresswell

S/Y Jamesby

hull number 240

Foiling Gunboat --

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#20954

New Foiling "Cruising Cat" by Gunboat shows how well the concept works as a cruising boat:

https://vimeo.com/125378004

I am going to rush out and get one

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Old Maramu 46 mainsail outhaul electromotor specification

yahoogroups@...

#20953

Vic,

What is it you want from SAV?

Let me write them for you. Maybe your emails go to their spam folder.

Let me know, I will be very happy to help.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

Re: Meeting in Tyrrhenian Sea, Italy (Elba and Capraia Island)

Paul Osterberg

#20952

Hello! it sounds nice, and as a new proud owner of the SM #259 I would like to meet other owner, interesting to see how others have solved various issues, we plan to sail from St:Raphael by end june and could be in the area by then, we will try to make it

Paul ánd Kerstin on S/Y Kerpa

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Meeting in Tyrrhenian Sea, Italy (Elba and Capraia Island)

Peter Forbes

#20951

OMG - we will have just passed there - We will be too far.

it will be such fun - we are sad to be missing such a fun gathering,

Peter

Peter Forbes

0044 7836 209730

ppsforbes@...

Carango Sailing Ketch

Amel 54 #035

Gouvia Marina - CORFU, Greece

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On 19 Apr 2015, at 13:59, ferruccilorenzo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello, we are organizing a small meeting between Amel Yachts Owners, during the week end 12-14 June. We are 8 Amel, we will meet at Capraia Island on friday 12 June evening and on saturday we will sail to Marciana Marina (Elba Island). The center of that randez-vous will be sail, food and friendship :)

Are there anyone sailing in that areas interested? Please contact me at redpassion2000@...

Lorenzo
Sv Red Passion
SM2k hull #420
Actually moored in "Cala de Medici", Italy

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 for Sale

karkauai

#20950

I'm with Bill and Duncan. Just avoid multiple postings and personal discussion as much as possible.

Kent

SM243

Kristy

On Apr 19, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Duncan Hagemeyer wdhagemeyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Why should this be a problem? Over the years I have seen every imaginable problem solved by fellow Amel owners. One of the biggest problems a boat owner can have is the sale of their boat. Certainly one of the most costly. If I know of someone that has a desire to buy and Amel and become a fellow owner I am sure going to tell another owner who might wish to sell their boat Why would I not share the contact information for the boat that is for sale?

Certainly it is wise for most buyers and sellers to engage an expert on the valuation of any yacht...any brand, any age. No two boats are ever the same. We all know this. Since every Amel is virtually a clone of the others in the series there is a real logic to sharing this information. And, don't we all believe that Amel's are very special boats for very special people that actually need an Amel if they are truly going to become world cruisers?

I am 68 and know the day is coming when she will be sold. She is undergoing a rigorous maintenance overhaul right now by Amel trained specialists. I now know my lifestyle has changed and I will soon be looking for a small cruising catamaran for short term, regional sailing use. I will not become the global cruising sailor I once thought was in the plans. So I too would love to see someone that NEEDS an Amel 54 get a chance to discuss my boat with those that know Amel's best...An Amel owner.

There are probably a handful of truly competent broker/agents that know Amel's and have sailed Amel's and are worthy of handling the listing of our boats. Possibly the answer is to share their names with those that are shopping the global websites in search of a boat that would not meet their needs. I would think that it would benefit this group to create a program where the Amel quality and design are marketed in such a way that any new potential buyer would have a place to find the facts from the owners and agents who act as the arbitrator on the valuation of any specific boat.

This would be appropriate for every current owner who will one day sell their boat and be fair to every future owner becasue they will know their is a process where they will have an Amel marketing plan that will allow them to receive a fair price.

Would one take their BMW to a Mercedes dealer and ask them to sell their car and send them the money?

I wish for Lone Star a fair return for their investment in an Amel.

Warm Regards to all the group,

Duncan Hagemeyer,

Dreamtime II

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:06 AM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

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To all
I do not like to use this Forum as a selling platform . I think we should us this Amel Forum for Info Exchange. There are a lot of Other Websites to promote the individual Sales of your boats. Lets discuss this with all Members , whats your opinion with my thoughts
Good sailing to all Amel lovers
Hanspeter
SM16, Tamango 2
Fethiye, Turkey

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 18.04.2015 um 14:45 schrieb "Bozo Cinq bozocinq@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

I know the Lone Star as we anchored next to them a month ago in Little Josh Van Dyke and had the pleasure of meeting Craig & Jan. We are both from Texas.

I also have an AMEL 54 in perfect condition. BOZO CINQ has been well maintained by loving, caring and knowledgeable owners. It is presently located in the VI’s. It is listed with an outstanding brokerage firm who has sold and knows AMELS. Look at Swiftsureyachts.com for detailed information about the BOZO CINQ.

TO: Those people in this Group looking to buy an Amel - The BOZO CINQ is an Amel that you should look at! It is possible that this is one of the best Amels offered for new ownership. Even if you are looking for a newer or older model, this is the one you should use as a benchmark against all others.

Gary & Joanne Wollenberg

Bozo Cinq
AMEL 54 - #44
bozocinq@...

--

Duncan Hagemeyer

24 Rock Creek Road

Emigrant, MT 59027

1-615-478-6006

1-406-848-9866 {allow rings and call will transfer to my cell or VM}

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Old Maramu 46 mainsail outhaul electromotor specification

Vaclav Raza <razavaclav@...>

#20949

Hallo Mike, Bill and all,

I understand the business concept and getting spares from Amel is my preference , getting specification and hunting for the parts is my last resort.
I am glad that you have good experience with SAV and I am sorry that I have different experience. My life will be easier.
It is good that Amel has such a supporters as yourselves, but to be able to buy from Amel and support Amel, there must be comunication from
Amel and You must admit, that not answering emails is not a good practice.
Good aftersales service was one of the deciding points to buy old Amel Maramu, but as said before I have never received any answers to my
request for different  spare parts.
I prefere comunication via email, because it eliminate possible misunderstandings and allways state the hull No. and year of production, that shoul be enough to identify the boat ( I hope)
I have also followed past comunications on the group forum ( Sharki furler motor) and the Sharki owner had the same problems - no reaction from
Amel.
I dont want to complain, Amel is a good boat, but getting the spares is the nightmare.

Favourable winds to  All

Vic  S/Y Hatty, Dugi Otok, Croatia
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On Sun, 4/19/15, Mike Johnson mike.k.johnson@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Old Maramu 46 mainsail outhaul electromotor specification
 To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
 Date: Sunday, April 19, 2015, 10:50 AM

       Bill,
 The point is well made.  Support
 for Amel SAV benefits us all in the long term.
 Cheers
 Mike & Peta
 SolitudeSM2K
 461

 Sent from my
 iPad
 On 19 Apr 2015, at 08:08,
 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
 [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:

       Vic & all,
 I never have a problem getting a
 response to emails to sav"at"amel.fr.
 I always include Amel Model like
 Super Maramu 2000, hull number, and a photo of the part in
 question. However, I have never asked them how to repair
 something, where to buy the part direct, or to recommend a
 repair facility. I have never asked them for a specification
 so that I could find, source and buy a cheaper
 part.
 We have to
 remember that Amel SAV is in the business of specifying,
 sourcing, stocking, sometimes designing, and reselling parts
 for a profit. It is not a non-profit enterprise, and there
 are costs to Amel for it to be available to us. Yes, you may
 pay a little more to buy the part from Amel SAV, but the
 profit they make keeps them available to all of us. And yes,
 they use the most reliable method of transportation, which
 is also the most expensive...but face
 it, if you were them, that would be your choice also because
 if the transportation company does not deliver, we would
 blame Amel SAV.
 Please
 understand, Vic, that I am not saying that you did ANY of
 the examples I gave above. But, we all need to understand
 why we have such a remarkable source as Amel SAV and I urge
 everyone to support it, rather than just using it when all
 else fails.
 I am not
 aware of any Amel model that Amel SAV no longer
 supports...Microsoft and Apple should follow Amel's
 example of support. I am aware that some components used by
 Amel in the past are no longer available from the original
 source.
 Although I
 have never needed to phone Amel SAV, if an email went
 unanswered, I would call them. Have you called SAV,
 Vic?
 I hope this will
 help you find the part that you need, and good luck with
 your problem.

 BillBeBe 387

 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at
 9:30 AM, razavaclav@...
 [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:

       Thank
 Thank You for all
 suggestions,
 I managed to get my old electric motor back to working
 condition, but still will feel better to be able to locate
 spare unit for peace of mind.
 Amel as usual does not react to any e-mails. I send to
 Amel fr.  ( sav@...  and
 amel@... )
 more then five mail with different questions, but did not
 get any answer - they dont care .
 My problem is that I cant find enywhere the specification
 of  electric motors to be able to locate suitable
 replacement. ( RPM, power in W) I suppose that some of the
 windlass motors may fit the list.
 If everything fails I will consider retrofitting of
 manual sail operation gear.
  
 Cheers
  
 Vic  S/Y Hatty
 Amel Maramu 46 / hull 199/1986

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Meeting in Tyrrhenian Sea, Italy (Elba and Capraia Island)

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#20948

Lorenzo,

We are going to try to make it, but we are not 100% sure our schedule will allow. I hope we make it.

Bill

BeBe 387

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On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:59 PM, ferruccilorenzo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello, we are organizing a small meeting between Amel Yachts Owners, during the week end 12-14 June. We are 8 Amel, we will meet at Capraia Island on friday 12 June evening and on saturday we will sail to Marciana Marina (Elba Island). The center of that randez-vous will be sail, food and friendship :)

Are there anyone sailing in that areas interested? Please contact me at redpassion2000@...

Lorenzo
Sv Red Passion
SM2k hull #420
Actually moored in "Cala de Medici", Italy

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] PANTAENIUS America Ltd

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#20947

Good morning Bill,

Yes I am very happy I did not had Pantaenius as my insurance company, talking to lawyers, other insurance, they have an awful reputation and there is no doubt I would not have been able to fight them.

It is not that I had a disagreement with Mr Delassee, he simply didn’t do anything, partially replied emails, never sent an expert coming to my vessel to look at the damages, while Pantaenius sent one within a week to look at their client’s boat and mine - already inventing there was already damages or saying: yes it is bent but it still works, etc.  I told that crook he was an disgrace to his profession.

If it was not for the lawyers I talked to, I would have never known that a boat longer than a slip is not admissible in court.
When Pantaenius wrote that it was not their client’s fault because the wind and current pushed him into my vessel, it is actually a recognized argument, BUT only for very strong or stormy winds, so in my case again not admissible.  Why did Delasse nor his expert not reply on that???  I ask them: Delasse never replied, Rousselon the expert said he was not a lawyer.

Many times I asked Mr Rousselon (my expert) on which side he was, he was always saying the repairs are too expensive.  The worst case was in December I ask JP Down a quote in Fort Lauderdale to repair, the total was $16.000.  Mr Rousselon reply the quote was too high and he wasn’t even going to present it to the other party…  (this is actually when I decided contact directly Helvetia).
Then 2 months later, after lots of back and forward, more marina expenses, Mr Rousselon found another repair company, the price was $14.000, plus tax, plus marina fee, etc. so the same price at the end…  He obviously never replied on that.

I wonder if Mr Rousselon had a personal issue, since when I purchased my vessel in Martinique, he was recommended, but I used Martial Barriel for the survey.

About buying insurance in the future:  I have wonder if the objective of pushing me to accept 50% responsibility was not to lock me with them.
As now obviously I have a “Claim”, even thought I am at no fault, but insurance do not look at that.  A claim is a claim and now I am a risk.

I put in writing my intention to Helvetia.
1) will no longer want Mr Delasse as my broker, that I understand they usually don’t deal directly with clients, so that they recommend me another broker.
2) if my premium increases significantly will cancel right away for another company even if I have to pay more.

Anyway, will see how the story ends…  Always good to read from you, hope you are enjoying the Spring!

Sincerely, Alexandre
Sm2K #289 NIKIMAT
2 weeks prior departure to Grand Bahama.



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On Sun, 4/19/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] PANTAENIUS America Ltd
 To: amelyachtowners@...
 Date: Sunday, April 19, 2015, 9:08 AM

       Alex,
 I am very glad that Delassee writes Helvetia.
 If your Delassee policy was like mine, it was originally
 Groupama which was recently bought by Helvetia.
 I think you must be happy that you had the
 insurance company that Delassee is an agent for, rather than
 Pantaenius, because you would have certainly lost with
 them.
 Delassee did you a favor buy brokering for
 Helvetia. I understand that you and Delassee had a
 disagreement, but you were better off with his policy in the
 long run.
 Every vessel claim that I know of is
 investigated to access a portion of the blame/claim to each
 party involved. It is the way insurance companies operate. 
 I am surprised that Pantaenius did not go after the marina
 for putting you in a slip that was "too small" for
 your boat. The one thing that none of us have in these
 situations is enough patience.
 I was involved in a much larger claim than
 yours. It was before we owned BeBe. There were 2 other
 liable  parties involved. My insurance agent and my lawyer
 urged me to settle with one party for a fraction of the
 total claim. I eventually agreed. We used that settlement to
 force the only remaining party to settle in-full. Their
 strategy was to eventually resolve the dispute with only one
 party...the other party had admitted fault and paid...that
 party was out of the picture and resolution became easy
 because one party could not blame the other party and argue
 over how much each party was going to pay. We removed that
 option from them and settlement was, at that point,
 fast.
 You have to trust your experts. It would not
 surprise me if a plan similar to what happened with me was
 in the works, especially if they urged you to settle with
 one party first.
 Trust and patience are the important factors in
 settling liable claims. Like I said, none off us have the
 required patience and most of us are not trusting enough in
 these situations.
 I hope that this situation does not give you
 any trouble buying insurance in the future.
 Best,
 Bill Rouse

 BeBe Amel 53 #387

 Sent from my tablet
 
 +39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile

 +1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
 On Apr 19, 2015 2:47 PM,
 "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
 [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:

 Good morning,

 Last July in Nassau a powerboat insured by Pantaenius lost
 control then panic in the marina destroying my boat pulpit.

 A month later, Pantaenius only wanted to accept 50%
 responsibility.

 Reasons involved: my boat was longer than the slip, it is
 not out client’s fault, as your witness wrote there was
 current and wind, etc.

 I spent lots of time talking to lawyers to explain Mr
 Delassee and his expert Mr Rousselon these reasons had no
 legal value.

 Mr Delassee nor Mr Rousselon ever defended my interest, and
 keep wanting me to accept 50% responsibility.

 I contacted directly my insurance company (Helvetia),
 explained the situation and they totally agreed that I was
 not at fault.

 Repair have started last week.  I trust Helvetia will honor
 the repairs (I have to advance the money). I will post an
 update.

 I will never use again Mr Delassee as a broker, he is
 worthless.  I already ask Helvetia to introduce me to
 another one.

 Regarding Pantaenius, view the lies they used, I would not
 use them either.

 And by the way, I am very lucky there was witness, which
 were marina employees…

 I can write the complete detail story if needed.

 During that whole process there was many funny anecdotes Mr
 Delassee writing: “Mr Uster we told you not to be in US
 water”.

 My reply (which made laugh Helvetia): “Nassau is in the
 Bahamas, which has been independent from the UK for 41
 years.  Has nothing to do with US water, the only thing that
 is US is the boat that hit me and this could have happened
 any where”.

 Plus for info, I pay 30% more premium for cruising US water
 (as american insurance are notorious to make things hard
 when an accident happened).

 Many insurance will not insure foreign vessel in US water.

 Anyway, hope that helps…

 Sincerely, Alexandre

 SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

 In repair in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA.

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 On Sun, 4/19/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...
 [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] PANTAENIUS America Ltd

  To: amelyachtowners@...

  Date: Sunday, April 19, 2015, 4:52 AM

        Pantanaeius pulled the policy we

  wrote with them in NZ when www reached Malaysia a year

  later. They said it was because of new risks in the area.
 Of

  course it cost us a new survey for a new insurance
 company.

  I believe Pantanaeius has different rules in

  different parts of the world, and for that reason it is
 
  probably not a company for someone crossing oceans and

  visiting other countries.

  Because of what Pantanaeius did to us, I will

  not consider them again. We have a policy with Geoffroy
 de

  Lassée gdelassee"at"assurances-delassee.com,

  and they do specialize in Amels. Write him and ask him for
 a

  copy of the policy they have on BeBe. BTW, the policy
 does

  not cover BeBe in US waters, and they will not cover a
 boat

  with a USA home port. If you are a USA lawyer, you know

  why.  BeBe is USA documented vessel with a USA address
 and

  a home port of St. Thomas. It is easy and completely
 legal

  to change your home port with the USCG.

  Bill Rouse

  BeBe Amel 53 #387

  Sent from my tablet

  +39 333 121
 8115 Italy

  Mobile

  +1832-380-4970USA Voice

  Mail

        HiThis appended in Thailand

  about 10 years ago.  Cruisers in their 60s who were
 going

  to Chagos wrote to pay their premium early as
 communications

  would be difficult. The Aussie couple were told their
 policy

  would not be renewed.Rather than have

  Akwaaba's policy refused we looked around for
 another

  insurer...QBE.Later at the  Southampton boat

  show we approached the CEO of Pantanaeius ,an Amel
 owner,

  who said that a policy to an Amel would not be refused! 
 He

  claimed there was a high rate of lightening damage in SE

  Asia.

  Chris Smither

  ,Santorin Sloop ,1990

  Sent

  from my iPad

  On 19 Apr 2015, at

  01:37, Steve Davis flyboyscd@...

  [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

  wrote:

        Hi Eric,

  We also have Pantaenius, but have

  not yet received a letter like yours. My guess is we
 will

  all get this, as it sounds like they are changing the
 times

  and cruising grounds a bit. Our policy is not up for
 renewal

  until February 2016, and we may not get this notice
 until

  closer to that date. It does not sound as if they intend
 to

  cancel your policy, but will require you to acknowledge
 the

  changes before issuing a renewal. I have to admit, this is
 a

  strange way to go about it, as it would seem more
 reasonable

  to just send out the renewal with the new rules and
 price,

  and you could accept it or not. It also indicates the
 price

  will be going up, and I'd like to know by how
 
  much. 

  I'll plan

  to call my agent with Pantaenius on Monday, and see what
 he

  can tell me. If you hear anything more, please post it
 on

  the forum. 

  Regards,Steve a

  DavisS/V Aloha SM72St Augustine, FL

  On Apr 18, 2015, at

  14:48, sailormon kimberlite@...

  [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

  wrote:

  I just receive a

  note from the above insurance company that my policy
 will

  not be renewed I have not had

  anyClaims on any boat

  ever. Has anyone else received this non-renewal notice,
 and

  what is it all about .It is very legalese

  and very hard to understand. It seems like it only
 applies

  to the west coast and Mexican

  waters.Fair

  WindsEricKimberlite Amel

  Super Maramu #376  

  As of January

  2015, the Pantaenius America Yacht policy will no longer
 be

  automatically renewing, As such, we are required to

  deliver a notice of non-renewal (attached) and your
 existing

  policy will be terminating on its renewal date.

  Additionally, we have updated

  our West Coast Cruising areas as stated below in order
 to

  better serve the individual cruising needs of our
 insureds.

  The rates may have increased due to the recent weather

  related catastrophic events as well as the new weather

  trends we’ve been seeing. If you are interested in

  receiving a quotation for the 2015-2016 policy term,
 please

  respond to this email indicating the option of your
 choice

  and a premium quotation can be provided.If your

  upcoming cruising plans are not reflected in the options

  below, please provide a detailed itinerary so a premium

  quotation can be offered.

  I: If the vessel will NOT be, south 30.5

  degrees, the following cruising area will apply:

  Inland waters, bays and coastal

  waters east to 50° West Longitude and west to 135°
 West

  Longitude, and north to 52° North Latitude, and south
 to

  30.5° North Latitude.II. If the vessel will be

  navigating in Mexican waters between November 2nd

  through July 14th (not in Mexico during the

  Summer/Fall season), we can offer the following

  cruising area: Canadian and United States Pacific

  Coast and Inland Waters, and Bays and Mexican Pacific

  Coastal Waters, west to 135 degrees West Longitude, east
 to

  98 degrees West Longitude, north to 52 degrees North

  Latitude and south to 30.5 degrees North Latitude.

  Navigation is extended to allow the vessel to be within
 30.5

  degrees North Latitude and 7 degrees North Latitude and
 east

  to 77.5 degrees West Longitude in the Pacific Ocean.
 Waters

  of the Panama Canal are excluded. It is warranted that
 the

  vessel is not south of 30.5 degrees North Latitude in
 the

  Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of

  Mexico, Pacific Ocean, waters of Mexico, and the Panama

  Canal between July 15th and November

  1st.III. If the vessel will be

  remaining in Mexican waters for the storm season, July

  15th through November 1st, we

  can offer the following cruising area:

  Canadian and United States Pacific

  Coast and Inland Waters, and Bays and Mexican Pacific

  Coastal Waters, west to 135 degrees West Longitude, east
 to

  98 degrees West Longitude, north to 52 degrees North

  Latitude and south to 30.5 degrees North Latitude.

  Navigation is extended to allow the vessel to be within
 30.5

  degrees North Latitude and 7 degrees North Latitude and
 east

  to 77.5 degrees West Longitude in the Pacific Ocean.
 Waters

  of the Panama Canal are excluded. Option III requires we
 have the a

  Named Tropical Storm Plan Warranty Form completed and

  returned to our office for review and approval to
 determine

  a separate Named Storm

  deductible.If we do not receive a response

  from you, your policy will terminate on it’s renewal
 date

  as noted above. Feel free to contact our office with any

  questions.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 for Sale

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#20946

Hanspeter,

I understand your position. Many of us joined in a discussion some time ago about this subject and the overwhelming majority agreed that a single posting advising that a member's boat was for sale was appropriate. We do not have a rule either way about selling one's own boat.

I hope that you agree...

Bill BeBe 387

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:11 PM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

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Hi Craig
One question
Do you changed the fourlingsystem ( Genua and staysail) to Reckman System?
Fair Winds
Hanspeter
SM 16 , Tamango 2
Fethiye, Turkey

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 17.04.2015 um 22:41 schrieb "sv.lonestar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

After seven truly amazing years aboard our beloved Amel 54, LONE STAR, Jan and I have decided to swallow the anchor, at least for a while, as we embark on new adventures.

We have considered our options carefully and have decided to enlist the aid of Joel Potter to find new caretakers for LONE STAR. Joel was the ‘team leader’ in our acquisition process and the good council and advice he gave us as we ordered and outfitted LONE STAR has been borne out as we traveled throughout the Mediterranean and Turkey before an unforgettable Trans-Atlantic passage that was followed by several seasons in the Caribbean and an exploration of the Chesapeake.

We plan to participate in the ARC USA Rally from Tortola to Ft. Lauderdale in May where we will officially import LONE STAR and put her up for sale. Joel will be on board for this final rally in addition to the regular 'salts'. Joel insisted on making the passage to evaluate and make observations about the true overall condition of LONE STAR and to be able to make factual representations about our Amel 54’s ability to keep on moving to the destination of your dreams. We are awaiting Joel’s arrival and inspection of LONE STAR before we set a realistic asking price. Please contact me at 713-898-9830, sv.lonestar"at"gmail"dot"com or Joel at jfpottercys"at"att"dot"net, 954-462-5869 if you have any questions.

Craig and Jan Scott
LONE STAR
A54 #101
currently in Virgin Islands

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 for Sale

Duncan Hagemeyer

#20945

Why should this be a problem? Over the years I have seen every imaginable problem solved by fellow Amel owners. One of the biggest problems a boat owner can have is the sale of their boat. Certainly one of the most costly. If I know of someone that has a desire to buy and Amel and become a fellow owner I am sure going to tell another owner who might wish to sell their boat Why would I not share the contact information for the boat that is for sale?

Certainly it is wise for most buyers and sellers to engage an expert on the valuation of any yacht...any brand, any age. No two boats are ever the same. We all know this. Since every Amel is virtually a clone of the others in the series there is a real logic to sharing this information. And, don't we all believe that Amel's are very special boats for very special people that actually need an Amel if they are truly going to become world cruisers?

I am 68 and know the day is coming when she will be sold. She is undergoing a rigorous maintenance overhaul right now by Amel trained specialists. I now know my lifestyle has changed and I will soon be looking for a small cruising catamaran for short term, regional sailing use. I will not become the global cruising sailor I once thought was in the plans. So I too would love to see someone that NEEDS an Amel 54 get a chance to discuss my boat with those that know Amel's best...An Amel owner.

There are probably a handful of truly competent broker/agents that know Amel's and have sailed Amel's and are worthy of handling the listing of our boats. Possibly the answer is to share their names with those that are shopping the global websites in search of a boat that would not meet their needs. I would think that it would benefit this group to create a program where the Amel quality and design are marketed in such a way that any new potential buyer would have a place to find the facts from the owners and agents who act as the arbitrator on the valuation of any specific boat.

This would be appropriate for every current owner who will one day sell their boat and be fair to every future owner becasue they will know their is a process where they will have an Amel marketing plan that will allow them to receive a fair price.

Would one take their BMW to a Mercedes dealer and ask them to sell their car and send them the money?

I wish for Lone Star a fair return for their investment in an Amel.

Warm Regards to all the group,

Duncan Hagemeyer,

Dreamtime II

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:06 AM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

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To all
I do not like to use this Forum as a selling platform . I think we should us this Amel Forum for Info Exchange. There are a lot of Other Websites to promote the individual Sales of your boats. Lets discuss this with all Members , whats your opinion with my thoughts
Good sailing to all Amel lovers
Hanspeter
SM16, Tamango 2
Fethiye, Turkey

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 18.04.2015 um 14:45 schrieb "Bozo Cinq bozocinq@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

I know the Lone Star as we anchored next to them a month ago in Little Josh Van Dyke and had the pleasure of meeting Craig & Jan. We are both from Texas.

I also have an AMEL 54 in perfect condition. BOZO CINQ has been well maintained by loving, caring and knowledgeable owners. It is presently located in the VI’s. It is listed with an outstanding brokerage firm who has sold and knows AMELS. Look at Swiftsureyachts.com for detailed information about the BOZO CINQ.

TO: Those people in this Group looking to buy an Amel - The BOZO CINQ is an Amel that you should look at! It is possible that this is one of the best Amels offered for new ownership. Even if you are looking for a newer or older model, this is the one you should use as a benchmark against all others.

Gary & Joanne Wollenberg

Bozo Cinq
AMEL 54 - #44
bozocinq@...

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Duncan Hagemeyer

24 Rock Creek Road

Emigrant, MT 59027

1-615-478-6006

1-406-848-9866 {allow rings and call will transfer to my cell or VM}

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] PANTAENIUS America Ltd

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#20944

Alex,

I am very glad that Delassee writes Helvetia. If your Delassee policy was like mine, it was originally Groupama which was recently bought by Helvetia.

I think you must be happy that you had the insurance company that Delassee is an agent for, rather than Pantaenius, because you would have certainly lost with them.

Delassee did you a favor buy brokering for Helvetia. I understand that you and Delassee had a disagreement, but you were better off with his policy in the long run.

Every vessel claim that I know of is investigated to access a portion of the blame/claim to each party involved. It is the way insurance companies operate. I am surprised that Pantaenius did not go after the marina for putting you in a slip that was "too small" for your boat. The one thing that none of us have in these situations is enough patience.

I was involved in a much larger claim than yours. It was before we owned BeBe. There were 2 other liable parties involved. My insurance agent and my lawyer urged me to settle with one party for a fraction of the total claim. I eventually agreed. We used that settlement to force the only remaining party to settle in-full. Their strategy was to eventually resolve the dispute with only one party...the other party had admitted fault and paid...that party was out of the picture and resolution became easy because one party could not blame the other party and argue over how much each party was going to pay. We removed that option from them and settlement was, at that point, fast.

You have to trust your experts. It would not surprise me if a plan similar to what happened with me was in the works, especially if they urged you to settle with one party first.

Trust and patience are the important factors in settling liable claims. Like I said, none off us have the required patience and most of us are not trusting enough in these situations.

I hope that this situation does not give you any trouble buying insurance in the future.

Best,

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Apr 19, 2015 2:47 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

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Good morning,

Last July in Nassau a powerboat insured by Pantaenius lost control then panic in the marina destroying my boat pulpit.
A month later, Pantaenius only wanted to accept 50% responsibility.
Reasons involved: my boat was longer than the slip, it is not out client’s fault, as your witness wrote there was current and wind, etc.
I spent lots of time talking to lawyers to explain Mr Delassee and his expert Mr Rousselon these reasons had no legal value.

Mr Delassee nor Mr Rousselon ever defended my interest, and keep wanting me to accept 50% responsibility.
I contacted directly my insurance company (Helvetia), explained the situation and they totally agreed that I was not at fault.

Repair have started last week. I trust Helvetia will honor the repairs (I have to advance the money). I will post an update.

I will never use again Mr Delassee as a broker, he is worthless. I already ask Helvetia to introduce me to another one.

Regarding Pantaenius, view the lies they used, I would not use them either.

And by the way, I am very lucky there was witness, which were marina employees…

I can write the complete detail story if needed.

During that whole process there was many funny anecdotes Mr Delassee writing: “Mr Uster we told you not to be in US water”.
My reply (which made laugh Helvetia): “Nassau is in the Bahamas, which has been independent from the UK for 41 years. Has nothing to do with US water, the only thing that is US is the boat that hit me and this could have happened any where”.
Plus for info, I pay 30% more premium for cruising US water (as american insurance are notorious to make things hard when an accident happened).
Many insurance will not insure foreign vessel in US water.

Anyway, hope that helps…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
In repair in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA.

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On Sun, 4/19/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] PANTAENIUS America Ltd
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, April 19, 2015, 4:52 AM

Pantanaeius pulled the policy we
wrote with them in NZ when www reached Malaysia a year
later. They said it was because of new risks in the area. Of
course it cost us a new survey for a new insurance company.

I believe Pantanaeius has different rules in
different parts of the world, and for that reason it is
probably not a company for someone crossing oceans and
visiting other countries.
Because of what Pantanaeius did to us, I will
not consider them again. We have a policy with Geoffroy de
Lassée gdelassee"at"assurances-delassee.com,
and they do specialize in Amels. Write him and ask him for a
copy of the policy they have on BeBe. BTW, the policy does
not cover BeBe in US waters, and they will not cover a boat
with a USA home port. If you are a USA lawyer, you know
why. BeBe is USA documented vessel with a USA address and
a home port of St. Thomas. It is easy and completely legal
to change your home port with the USCG.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

Sent from my tablet

+39 333 121 8115 Italy
Mobile

+1832-380-4970USA Voice
Mail

HiThis appended in Thailand
about 10 years ago. Cruisers in their 60s who were going
to Chagos wrote to pay their premium early as communications
would be difficult. The Aussie couple were told their policy
would not be renewed.Rather than have
Akwaaba's policy refused we looked around for another
insurer...QBE.Later at the Southampton boat
show we approached the CEO of Pantanaeius ,an Amel owner,
who said that a policy to an Amel would not be refused! He
claimed there was a high rate of lightening damage in SE
Asia.
Chris Smither
,Santorin Sloop ,1990

Sent
from my iPad
On 19 Apr 2015, at
01:37, Steve Davis flyboyscd@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Hi Eric,
We also have Pantaenius, but have
not yet received a letter like yours. My guess is we will
all get this, as it sounds like they are changing the times
and cruising grounds a bit. Our policy is not up for renewal
until February 2016, and we may not get this notice until
closer to that date. It does not sound as if they intend to
cancel your policy, but will require you to acknowledge the
changes before issuing a renewal. I have to admit, this is a
strange way to go about it, as it would seem more reasonable
to just send out the renewal with the new rules and price,
and you could accept it or not. It also indicates the price
will be going up, and I'd like to know by how
much.
I'll plan
to call my agent with Pantaenius on Monday, and see what he
can tell me. If you hear anything more, please post it on
the forum.
Regards,Steve a
DavisS/V Aloha SM72St Augustine, FL

On Apr 18, 2015, at
14:48, sailormon kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

I just receive a
note from the above insurance company that my policy will
not be renewed I have not had
anyClaims on any boat
ever. Has anyone else received this non-renewal notice, and
what is it all about .It is very legalese
and very hard to understand. It seems like it only applies
to the west coast and Mexican
waters.Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel
Super Maramu #376
As of January
2015, the Pantaenius America Yacht policy will no longer be
automatically renewing, As such, we are required to
deliver a notice of non-renewal (attached) and your existing
policy will be terminating on its renewal date.

Additionally, we have updated
our West Coast Cruising areas as stated below in order to
better serve the individual cruising needs of our insureds.
The rates may have increased due to the recent weather
related catastrophic events as well as the new weather
trends we’ve been seeing. If you are interested in
receiving a quotation for the 2015-2016 policy term, please
respond to this email indicating the option of your choice
and a premium quotation can be provided.If your
upcoming cruising plans are not reflected in the options
below, please provide a detailed itinerary so a premium
quotation can be offered.

I: If the vessel will NOT be, south 30.5
degrees, the following cruising area will apply:
Inland waters, bays and coastal
waters east to 50° West Longitude and west to 135° West
Longitude, and north to 52° North Latitude, and south to
30.5° North Latitude.II. If the vessel will be
navigating in Mexican waters between November 2nd
through July 14th (not in Mexico during the
Summer/Fall season), we can offer the following
cruising area: Canadian and United States Pacific
Coast and Inland Waters, and Bays and Mexican Pacific
Coastal Waters, west to 135 degrees West Longitude, east to
98 degrees West Longitude, north to 52 degrees North
Latitude and south to 30.5 degrees North Latitude.
Navigation is extended to allow the vessel to be within 30.5
degrees North Latitude and 7 degrees North Latitude and east
to 77.5 degrees West Longitude in the Pacific Ocean. Waters
of the Panama Canal are excluded. It is warranted that the
vessel is not south of 30.5 degrees North Latitude in the
Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of
Mexico, Pacific Ocean, waters of Mexico, and the Panama
Canal between July 15th and November
1st.III. If the vessel will be
remaining in Mexican waters for the storm season, July
15th through November 1st, we
can offer the following cruising area:
Canadian and United States Pacific
Coast and Inland Waters, and Bays and Mexican Pacific
Coastal Waters, west to 135 degrees West Longitude, east to
98 degrees West Longitude, north to 52 degrees North
Latitude and south to 30.5 degrees North Latitude.
Navigation is extended to allow the vessel to be within 30.5
degrees North Latitude and 7 degrees North Latitude and east
to 77.5 degrees West Longitude in the Pacific Ocean. Waters
of the Panama Canal are excluded. Option III requires we have the a
Named Tropical Storm Plan Warranty Form completed and
returned to our office for review and approval to determine
a separate Named Storm
deductible.If we do not receive a response
from you, your policy will terminate on it’s renewal date
as noted above. Feel free to contact our office with any
questions.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] PANTAENIUS America Ltd

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#20943

Good morning,

Last July in Nassau a powerboat insured by Pantaenius lost control then panic in the marina destroying my boat pulpit.
A month later, Pantaenius only wanted to accept 50% responsibility.
Reasons involved: my boat was longer than the slip, it is not out client’s fault, as your witness wrote there was current and wind, etc.
I spent lots of time talking to lawyers to explain Mr Delassee and his expert Mr Rousselon these reasons had no legal value.

Mr Delassee nor Mr Rousselon ever defended my interest, and keep wanting me to accept 50% responsibility.
I contacted directly my insurance company (Helvetia), explained the situation and they totally agreed that I was not at fault.

Repair have started last week.  I trust Helvetia will honor the repairs (I have to advance the money). I will post an update.

I will never use again Mr Delassee as a broker, he is worthless.  I already ask Helvetia to introduce me to another one.

Regarding Pantaenius, view the lies they used, I would not use them either.

And by the way, I am very lucky there was witness, which were marina employees…

I can write the complete detail story if needed.

During that whole process there was many funny anecdotes Mr Delassee writing: “Mr Uster we told you not to be in US water”.
My reply (which made laugh Helvetia): “Nassau is in the Bahamas, which has been independent from the UK for 41 years.  Has nothing to do with US water, the only thing that is US is the boat that hit me and this could have happened any where”.
Plus for info, I pay 30% more premium for cruising US water (as american insurance are notorious to make things hard when an accident happened).
Many insurance will not insure foreign vessel in US water. 

Anyway, hope that helps…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
In repair in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA.



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On Sun, 4/19/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] PANTAENIUS America Ltd
 To: amelyachtowners@...
 Date: Sunday, April 19, 2015, 4:52 AM

       Pantanaeius pulled the policy we
 wrote with them in NZ when www reached Malaysia a year
 later. They said it was because of new risks in the area. Of
 course it cost us a new survey for a new insurance company.

 I believe Pantanaeius has different rules in
 different parts of the world, and for that reason it is
 probably not a company for someone crossing oceans and
 visiting other countries.
 Because of what Pantanaeius did to us, I will
 not consider them again. We have a policy with Geoffroy de
 Lassée gdelassee"at"assurances-delassee.com,
 and they do specialize in Amels. Write him and ask him for a
 copy of the policy they have on BeBe. BTW, the policy does
 not cover BeBe in US waters, and they will not cover a boat
 with a USA home port. If you are a USA lawyer, you know
 why.  BeBe is USA documented vessel with a USA address and
 a home port of St. Thomas. It is easy and completely legal
 to change your home port with the USCG.
 Bill Rouse

 BeBe Amel 53 #387

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       HiThis appended in Thailand
 about 10 years ago.  Cruisers in their 60s who were going
 to Chagos wrote to pay their premium early as communications
 would be difficult. The Aussie couple were told their policy
 would not be renewed.Rather than have
 Akwaaba's policy refused we looked around for another
 insurer...QBE.Later at the  Southampton boat
 show we approached the CEO of Pantanaeius ,an Amel owner,
 who said that a policy to an Amel would not be refused!  He
 claimed there was a high rate of lightening damage in SE
 Asia.
 Chris Smither
 ,Santorin Sloop ,1990

 Sent
 from my iPad
 On 19 Apr 2015, at
 01:37, Steve Davis flyboyscd@...
 [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:

       Hi Eric,
 We also have Pantaenius, but have
 not yet received a letter like yours. My guess is we will
 all get this, as it sounds like they are changing the times
 and cruising grounds a bit. Our policy is not up for renewal
 until February 2016, and we may not get this notice until
 closer to that date. It does not sound as if they intend to
 cancel your policy, but will require you to acknowledge the
 changes before issuing a renewal. I have to admit, this is a
 strange way to go about it, as it would seem more reasonable
 to just send out the renewal with the new rules and price,
 and you could accept it or not. It also indicates the price
 will be going up, and I'd like to know by how
 much. 
 I'll plan
 to call my agent with Pantaenius on Monday, and see what he
 can tell me. If you hear anything more, please post it on
 the forum. 
 Regards,Steve a
 DavisS/V Aloha SM72St Augustine, FL

 On Apr 18, 2015, at
 14:48, sailormon kimberlite@...
 [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:

 I just receive a
 note from the above insurance company that my policy will
 not be renewed I have not had
 anyClaims on any boat
 ever. Has anyone else received this non-renewal notice, and
 what is it all about .It is very legalese
 and very hard to understand. It seems like it only applies
 to the west coast and Mexican
 waters.Fair
 WindsEricKimberlite Amel
 Super Maramu #376  
 As of January
 2015, the Pantaenius America Yacht policy will no longer be
 automatically renewing, As such, we are required to
 deliver a notice of non-renewal (attached) and your existing
 policy will be terminating on its renewal date.

 Additionally, we have updated
 our West Coast Cruising areas as stated below in order to
 better serve the individual cruising needs of our insureds.
 The rates may have increased due to the recent weather
 related catastrophic events as well as the new weather
 trends we’ve been seeing. If you are interested in
 receiving a quotation for the 2015-2016 policy term, please
 respond to this email indicating the option of your choice
 and a premium quotation can be provided.If your
 upcoming cruising plans are not reflected in the options
 below, please provide a detailed itinerary so a premium
 quotation can be offered.

 I: If the vessel will NOT be, south 30.5
 degrees, the following cruising area will apply:
 Inland waters, bays and coastal
 waters east to 50° West Longitude and west to 135° West
 Longitude, and north to 52° North Latitude, and south to
 30.5° North Latitude.II. If the vessel will be
 navigating in Mexican waters between November 2nd
 through July 14th (not in Mexico during the
 Summer/Fall season), we can offer the following
 cruising area: Canadian and United States Pacific
 Coast and Inland Waters, and Bays and Mexican Pacific
 Coastal Waters, west to 135 degrees West Longitude, east to
 98 degrees West Longitude, north to 52 degrees North
 Latitude and south to 30.5 degrees North Latitude.
 Navigation is extended to allow the vessel to be within 30.5
 degrees North Latitude and 7 degrees North Latitude and east
 to 77.5 degrees West Longitude in the Pacific Ocean. Waters
 of the Panama Canal are excluded. It is warranted that the
 vessel is not south of 30.5 degrees North Latitude in the
 Atlantic Ocean, inland waters, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of
 Mexico, Pacific Ocean, waters of Mexico, and the Panama
 Canal between July 15th and November
 1st.III. If the vessel will be
 remaining in Mexican waters for the storm season, July
 15th through November 1st, we
 can offer the following cruising area:
 Canadian and United States Pacific
 Coast and Inland Waters, and Bays and Mexican Pacific
 Coastal Waters, west to 135 degrees West Longitude, east to
 98 degrees West Longitude, north to 52 degrees North
 Latitude and south to 30.5 degrees North Latitude.
 Navigation is extended to allow the vessel to be within 30.5
 degrees North Latitude and 7 degrees North Latitude and east
 to 77.5 degrees West Longitude in the Pacific Ocean. Waters
 of the Panama Canal are excluded. Option III requires we have the a
 Named Tropical Storm Plan Warranty Form completed and
 returned to our office for review and approval to determine
 a separate Named Storm
 deductible.If we do not receive a response
 from you, your policy will terminate on it’s renewal date
 as noted above. Feel free to contact our office with any
 questions.

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