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Jib furling Rivets - Bolts

kanalmamman@...
 

On S/Y Lady Annila we have changed the genoa to a slighter heavier and bigger one than original. The positive consequeses are many but thedraw back is that we had to change the rivets very often cause they broke. After a while the drilled holes in the fore stay profile, has grown too big and we needed a solution. As we were in Caribbean we sailed to Amel in Martinique. They told us that they now a days when servicing the genoa furler they changed the rivets for bolts.
We decided to follow their suggestion and bought the spareparts. They were not cheap 17 Euro each. But the fitting was perfect so we suspect that they are special made by Amel for the purpose.

I have made an album in the Photo section:  Jib furling Rivets - Bolts where you can see both the bolts with measurements and how we mounted them.

Since we changed we have sailed from Caribbean to Portugal, last 12 hours with reach to broad reach winds of 50+ knots. No problem at all with the bolts. We only have to tighten them every now and then, and especially after a hard sail.

BUT this solution demands more care when furling the genoa in since the forces can be heavy. The rivets where made to brake to avoid damages of the furler and that safety is reduced with the bolts.


Please see Photo section and Album: Jib furling Rivets - Bolts


Regards

Annsofie & Jonas

S/Y Lady Annila SM232, 1998
Present in Portimão, Portugal


Lewmar Size 1 Track End Stop - Mizzen Sheet

yahoogroups@...
 

I was getting tired of the "tired look" of the UV damaged Mizzen Sheet Track End Stop and bought a pair of Lewmar Size 1 Track End Stops on eBay.


I noticed that the ones installed by Amel on BeBe had been drilled with a 10mm nylon sleeve inserted. The sleeve will prevent the end stop from compressing when the bolt is tightened.


Either Lewmar used to make these this way, or Amel modified them to make them better. I suspect the latter. Isn't this very small thing amazing? Oh, I drilled my new Lewmar end stops and inserted the sleeve to match the way Amel did it.


A photo is posted here.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1650688738/lightbox/1794394507?orderBy=ordinal&sortOrder=asc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/1794394507


I am really ashamed to post an up-close photo of what I removed. Nothing else on BeBe looks anything like this, and I really dropped the ball by not replacing it earlier.


Bill

BeBe 387

Malta

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF Hurth Transmission troubles

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Hi Bill,
         I asked the same question when ordering the new gearbox. I  also tried to enquire about changing the gearbox model to accept a shaft alternator. I was still afloat in Mexican waters when doing this and trying to locate a gearbox in USA.
Unfortunately no one that I spoke to by Sat phone was able to give me information on either.
Regards,
Trevor
Seafever 
SM 425


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

Olivier Beaute
 

Hi Alexander,

yes the rivets are the "weak" part of this system. This is made on purpose, in case of over-load, they may shear.
These are aluminum rivets, diameter 6 mm, length 18 mm. Ask a rigger to do it.
Replace your rivets when two are gone, or before...

The best rule on these very well-designed vessels is that as soon as something is worn out/broken, you should try and fix the problem at the earliest opportunity.

Concerning the VAT issue, you should probably open a new topic. What is the current vessel's flag?

Olivier.



On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:27 AM, Beaute Olivier wrote:


Hi William,

you don't need more than two days for the repair, assuming you find a rigger that can ease the rigging and tighten it back, and a mechanic workshop for the disc operation.
I strongly recommend that you have the furler fixed before sailing to Boston. It is always better to have things fixed before sailing offshore...

Concerning the mizzen boom track, I think your captain mentioned 27mm. I cannot confirm right now. I will try to get the information.

Olivier.



On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:59 PM, "william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Wow!! Thanks for the response! Boat will be in Bermuda around 4-5 June. Any idea how long a repair like this will take? In other words... Do you think I should have the work done in Bermuda or wait to get back to Boston, MA where she will be staying for the summer. I'm in the office right now but will be back home in the next hour or so. Thanks





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

Olivier Beaute
 

Hi William,

you don't need more than two days for the repair, assuming you find a rigger that can ease the rigging and tighten it back, and a mechanic workshop for the disc operation.
I strongly recommend that you have the furler fixed before sailing to Boston. It is always better to have things fixed before sailing offshore...

Concerning the mizzen boom track, I think your captain mentioned 27mm. I cannot confirm right now. I will try to get the information.

Olivier.



On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:59 PM, "william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Wow!! Thanks for the response! Boat will be in Bermuda around 4-5 June. Any idea how long a repair like this will take? In other words... Do you think I should have the work done in Bermuda or wait to get back to Boston, MA where she will be staying for the summer. I'm in the office right now but will be back home in the next hour or so. Thanks



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF Hurth Transmission troubles

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Let me ask a question here in this thread.

There is a sender which looks like a temperature sender on the top of the transmission. It could possibly be a switch. I have not checked it, but has anyone used this sender for either a temperature alarm or temperature gauge?

Bill
BeBe 387
Malta

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:59 PM, seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

     He may be right but I doubt it, especially if you use a salt busting type chemical to clean the heat exchanger out, which is were I came unstuck.
I brought in the "professionals" to clean salt out of the seawater cooled water ways on the Yanmar and all seemed fine.
When I returned to the boat I even pulled the gearbox heat exchanger just to check and sure enough it was very clean.
About three weeks later during a four day passage it let go in the middle of the night and we had no drive.
At first, I thought I had caught a net and was confused when I went over the side to cut it free to find no marks on the hull and no net.
When I realized it was the gearbox I bypassed the heat exchanger and refilled he gearbox, it ran for about ten hours and then gave up.
The dinghy lashed alongside took me upwind for the next 75 miles.
An iron rule ever since on passage, is that the engine compartment is opened  and a laser temperature gauge is used every two hours to check all the temperatures and also you will soon smell if anything is awry.

Regards,

Trevor
Seafever of Cuan
SM425 Redline
Mexico
For sale



Re: New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

zetta.traill@...
 

we were unable to open the sharki file. Is there another format it could be posted on please?

Thanks,

Warren and Zetta

Manon 2

Sharki 15


New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

amelyachtowners@...
 

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Aft Cabin Lights

karkauai
 

Nothing like that on SM243,  Tom.  The only place I know where all aft cabin lites are together is at the 24V panel.
Kent
SM243
Kristy 


On May 26, 2015, at 5:09 PM, peacock@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Chris,

My less than perfect memory seem to recall a breaker for the aft lights behind the shower curtain in the aft head.

Tom Peacock
SM2000 Aletes #243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Aft Cabin Lights

Chris Flack
 

Thanks Tom

That's the one I was after. Fir some reason I had it in my head it was for the A/C.

So sorry for being so dumb %-)

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031


-----Original Message-----
From: "peacock@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tue, 26 May 2015 11:09 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Aft Cabin Lights

 

Hi Chris,

My less than perfect memory seem to recall a breaker for the aft lights behind the shower curtain in the aft head.

Tom Peacock
SM2000 Aletes #243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Lights

Chris Flack
 

Hello Alexandre

Yes,  on the 24v panel the lower right is on. I have saloon lights but aft cabins have stopped?

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031


-----Original Message-----
From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tue, 26 May 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Lights

 

Good afternoon Chris,

Have you checked the 24 vols panel?
http://nikimat.com/diruptor_24_volt_panel.html

Is the lower left disruptor (breaker) ON?

Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Grand Bahama, Bahamas

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 5/26/15, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Lights
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015, 3:36 PM


 









Hi All,



We have lost lights only in the aft cabin of our SM. I have
looked for

any circuit breaker for that area but can't find one.
Does anyone out

there have any clues to help me find it as I know they are
all hidden

away in exotic places.



Thanks



Chris

Hemera SM031

Currently in Messina travelling to Southern Spain




Re: Aft Cabin Lights

peacock@...
 

Hi Chris,

My less than perfect memory seem to recall a breaker for the aft lights behind the shower curtain in the aft head.

Tom Peacock
SM2000 Aletes #243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Lights

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Chris,

Have you checked the 24 vols panel?
http://nikimat.com/diruptor_24_volt_panel.html

Is the lower left disruptor (breaker) ON?

Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Grand Bahama, Bahamas



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 5/26/15, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Lights
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015, 3:36 PM


 









Hi All,



We have lost lights only in the aft cabin of our SM. I have
looked for

any circuit breaker for that area but can't find one.
Does anyone out

there have any clues to help me find it as I know they are
all hidden

away in exotic places.



Thanks



Chris

Hemera SM031

Currently in Messina travelling to Southern Spain


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Olivier,

I am reading with lots of interest all your detailed explanations on the fuller…

If you don’t mind, I do have a question about the rivets.
What are they for?
Meaning why were rivet used instead of bolt? Are they supposed to break under certain load?

On mine, I noted that the 1 is missing (red arrow) and 1 is loose (orange arrow).
Pictures on: http://nikimat.com/genoa_furler_rivet.html

I have never put a rivet… so not familiar with the process.
How critical short term? How easy to put back? Any special size/lenght of rivet?

Thanks in advance.


Aussi différemment, j’ai une question sur la TVA… il semble que depuis que j’ai acheté mon voilier en 2012, la loi a changée.
Je suis Suisse/francais et techniquement resident fiscale de la metropole (alors que j’habite a temps complet sur mon voilier, mais utilise l’adresse d’un ami en France).
A l’époque j;’ai acheté le voilier en Martinique (TVA non payée). Il ne fallait la payer que si l’on entrait dans les eau européennes.
Maintenant on m’a dit que si l’on va en Martinique, Guadeloupe, St martin et St Bart. on risque de sérieuse amendes si la TVA n’est pas payée.
Donc 2 solutions ne pas y aller ce qui serait dommage (mais ne justifie quand meme pas 20% de TVA) ou l’acquitter… A moins qu’il y est une autre solution?
Si vous ne savez pas, peut-être pouvez-vous me recommander a quelqu’un qui puisse me renseigner?

Merci d’avance. cordialement, Alexandre

SM2K #298 NIKIMAT
Taino Beach, Port Lucaya, Bahamas


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On Tue, 5/26/15, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015, 1:48 PM


 









Good
evening William,
I heard
from Bill that your captain is Richard Piller. So, you are
in good hands.This is
the process to repair your genoa furler
issue:-Remove
the stainless steel part that holds the furler at the bottom
(two nuts)-Lift the
genoa/foil/furler assembly with the halyard-Remove
the 2 or 3 bolts that fasten the grey pulley to the furler,
and try to bring the furler down-If the
furler does not come down, then drill the 8 rivets that
fasten the pulley to the foil, then ease the tack rope of
the genoa, then bring the furler and pulley
down-Ease the
standing rigging (mizzen backstays, main backstay, both main
top shrouds), secure the mast head with a halyard, open the
forestay turnbuckle and let the furler go down, out of the
forestay.-Bring
the furler to a workshop in order they can separate the
pulley from the furler-Then you
get access to the famous disc and its
screws-If the
screws are sheared (from corrosion) drill and tap new holes,
and use new screws (with LOCTITE thread glue) to fasten the
disc to its aluminum shaft-re-install
the furler with new rivets, cover the new rivets with
silicone compound (to prevent corrosion)-tighten
the rigging
For the
whole operation, you don't need to drop the
forestay/foil/genoa
Ask me
questions when you do it. When will your SM be in
Bermuda?
Olivier




On Tuesday, May 26,
2015 8:34 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse'
yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



 









Olivier,
William "Bill" Maffei
bought Super Maramu 195. The delivery captain is Richard
Pillar, a boat broker and previous owner of an Amel
SM.
Bill is new to the
Group and sometimes forgets to include his hull number in
the postings he makes to this group.
BillBeBe 387
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at
7:40 AM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









good morning
William,
I'm very busy
today but I will answer you with details
tonight.Could you remind
me your hull number?
Have a good day.
Olivier






















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Aft Cabin Lights

Chris Flack
 

Hi All,

We have lost lights only in the aft cabin of our SM. I have looked for any circuit breaker for that area but can't find one. Does anyone out there have any clues to help me find it as I know they are all hidden away in exotic places.

Thanks

Chris
Hemera SM031
Currently in Messina travelling to Southern Spain


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

william_maffei@...
 

Wow!! Thanks for the response! Boat will be in Bermuda around 4-5 June. Any idea how long a repair like this will take? In other words... Do you think I should have the work done in Bermuda or wait to get back to Boston, MA where she will be staying for the summer. I'm in the office right now but will be back home in the next hour or so. Thanks


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

Olivier Beaute
 

Good evening William,

I heard from Bill that your captain is Richard Piller. So, you are in good hands.
This is the process to repair your genoa furler issue:
-Remove the stainless steel part that holds the furler at the bottom (two nuts)
-Lift the genoa/foil/furler assembly with the halyard
-Remove the 2 or 3 bolts that fasten the grey pulley to the furler, and try to bring the furler down
-If the furler does not come down, then drill the 8 rivets that fasten the pulley to the foil, then ease the tack rope of the genoa, then bring the furler and pulley down
-Ease the standing rigging (mizzen backstays, main backstay, both main top shrouds), secure the mast head with a halyard, open the forestay turnbuckle and let the furler go down, out of the forestay.
-Bring the furler to a workshop in order they can separate the pulley from the furler
-Then you get access to the famous disc and its screws
-If the screws are sheared (from corrosion) drill and tap new holes, and use new screws (with LOCTITE thread glue) to fasten the disc to its aluminum shaft
-re-install the furler with new rivets, cover the new rivets with silicone compound (to prevent corrosion)
-tighten the rigging

For the whole operation, you don't need to drop the forestay/foil/genoa

Ask me questions when you do it. When will your SM be in Bermuda?

Olivier



On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:34 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Olivier,

William "Bill" Maffei bought Super Maramu 195. The delivery captain is Richard Pillar, a boat broker and previous owner of an Amel SM.

Bill is new to the Group and sometimes forgets to include his hull number in the postings he makes to this group.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
good morning William,

I'm very busy today but I will answer you with details tonight.
Could you remind me your hull number?

Have a good day.

Olivier



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] message from delivery captain input

William Maffei <william_maffei@...>
 

Thanks Oliver! Please get in touch anytime you'd like. Maud asked me the height of the track. Given that it will be difficult for the delivery captain to answer this, can you help?



On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:40 AM, "Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
good morning William,

I'm very busy today but I will answer you with details tonight.
Could you remind me your hull number?

Have a good day.

Olivier



On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:05 AM, "seafeverofcuan@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Bill,
     Go back and read the message from Olivier Beaute. There is no one world wide with the understanding, knowledge and experience of Olivier regarding Amel.
Those of us fortunate enough to have met him when he worked for Amel hold him in the highest esteem and regard.
His posting to you suggests  the hub and or, the plate where the bolts have sheared would most likely require removal.
I can't imagine how that could be done without releasing the forestay.
Oliver states that it is likely Bebe and Seafever have been modified since your boat was built and therefore are different.
It sounds from your postings, that your delivery skipper is very competent and likely correct in his assumption
 Should you have to remove the forestay, then you may consider refilling the foil with grease and carefully checking the Amel fitting at the top of the foil where it meets the mast.

Regards

Trevor
Seafever of Cuan
SM 425 Redline
Mexico
For sale





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF Hurth Transmission troubles

seafeverofcuan@...
 

Bill,
     He may be right but I doubt it, especially if you use a salt busting type chemical to clean the heat exchanger out, which is were I came unstuck.
I brought in the "professionals" to clean salt out of the seawater cooled water ways on the Yanmar and all seemed fine.
When I returned to the boat I even pulled the gearbox heat exchanger just to check and sure enough it was very clean.
About three weeks later during a four day passage it let go in the middle of the night and we had no drive.
At first, I thought I had caught a net and was confused when I went over the side to cut it free to find no marks on the hull and no net.
When I realized it was the gearbox I bypassed the heat exchanger and refilled he gearbox, it ran for about ten hours and then gave up.
The dinghy lashed alongside took me upwind for the next 75 miles.
An iron rule ever since on passage, is that the engine compartment is opened  and a laser temperature gauge is used every two hours to check all the temperatures and also you will soon smell if anything is awry.

Regards,

Trevor
Seafever of Cuan
SM425 Redline
Mexico
For sale


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF Hurth Transmission troubles

yahoogroups@...
 

I have recently read of four or five transmission oil cooler problems. In getting prepared for our Atlantic Crossing, I decided to buy one of the Bowman DC60-XAA with 3367 rubber end caps from the Bowman distributor in Malta. It was 105 euro, delivered. Nice guy - Leonard +356 99499082. Email leobugeja"at"hotmail.com.

He said the biggest failure that that has seen from these coolers is the over-tightening of the hose clamps. He said to be careful because the metal is a copper-nickle and will bend easily if you over-tighten the clamp. He said that these routinely last 20 years.

Bill
BeBe 387