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Re: Empty black water tank from the deck plug

Alan Leslie
 

Paul,
Do you have a black deck plug ?
If so, it will only be stuck, lever it out around the edge, it will come...there's nothing holding it in except friction.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Fresh Water Pump / expansion tank - IDRO ECOINOX

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

We have an IDRO ECOINOX combined pump and water expansion tank unit installed – we don’t have the standard expansion tank fitted behind the hot water heater. We now have the water pump rapidly cycling when running water – I assume therefore there is a problem with the expansion tank. I wondered if anyone else had this sort of pump installed and had any manuals / tech information on it – We don’t seem to have any in the boat manuals and there is a dearth of information on the internet. I would guess an option might be to fit a standard expansion tank behind the hot water heater but I am not sure of the size and manufacturer of what is fitted as standard in the earlier Amels?

 

Thanks

 

Andrew

SM 472

Canet en Roussillon
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Empty black water tank from the deck plug

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

I believe that there are several types of black water access ports on SM's. BeBe 387 simply unscrews and the piece that you unscrew looks similar to the fuel or water ports.

Maybe a photo of what you have is needed.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 10:28 AM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

As a new owner I wonder how do one open the deck plug for the black water tank?

mine looks as they newer have been opened and are stuck

Paul on SYKerpa SM#259
Empty black water tank from the deck plug

Paul Osterberg
 

As a new owner I wonder how do one open the deck plug for the black water tank?

mine looks as they newer have been opened and are stuck

Paul on SYKerpa SM#259
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Newport Rhode Island

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Go to portsmouth 

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Aug 22, 2015, at 10:35 AM, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
Will be going from WoodsHole to Newport RI where I'll spend a week or so. Does anyone have a favorite anchorage/mooring/marina in the area? I have some Stainless work to do while there, anyone have experience with a shop they would recommend?

Thanks,
Kent
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Newport Rhode Island

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Kent the folks at New England Boatworks are the best. 
I'm here give a call 
Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 22, 2015, at 10:34, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
Will be going from WoodsHole to Newport RI where I'll spend a week or so. Does anyone have a favorite anchorage/mooring/marina in the area? I have some Stainless work to do while there, anyone have experience with a shop they would recommend?

Thanks,
Kent
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Newport Rhode Island

Mark Pitt
 

Hi Kent,

I have always enjoyed Potter Cove on the east side of Prudence Island. The ASM is too big to go into the cove, so anchor just south of the cove entrance in thick mud bottom. Or pick up a transient mooring in Bristol Harbor and visit the Americas Cup / Herreshoff Museum and dine at Quito's.

Best,

Mark
Sabbatical III (Turkey)

On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:34 PM, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Will be going from WoodsHole to Newport RI where I'll spend a week or so. Does anyone have a favorite anchorage/mooring/marina in the area? I have some Stainless work to do while there, anyone have experience with a shop they would recommend?

Thanks,
Kent

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Newport Rhode Island

Kent Robertson
 

Hi all,
Will be going from WoodsHole to Newport RI where I'll spend a week or so. Does anyone have a favorite anchorage/mooring/marina in the area? I have some Stainless work to do while there, anyone have experience with a shop they would recommend?

Thanks,
Kent
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive shaft seals and wear bearing - don't do what I did

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Haha

 

I think we will be investigating increasing the size of the demi UV panels at least

 

Andrew

Ronpische

SM472

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 11:04 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive shaft seals and wear bearing - don't do what I did

 

 

Andrew,

For what is worth...

The original sails on BeBe 387 were Demi sails. Shortly after buying BeBe I had larger UV panels made for the main and the mizzen because with the sails furled and the outhaul car all the way forward to the stop, there was still some sail unprotected. Maybe Demi Sails should be called Demi UV.

I realize this won't solve your problem because as I have said before, I believe that the SM mast is NOT designed for the extra space required by battens, and you will experience wear exactly as you have experienced wear.

Funny thing...I was with an Amel owner last night who asked me what my answer would have been if I had been asked by another owner whether it was safe to forgo servicing the C drive. I told him that I would have said "you should service it because you already have it out of the water and it has been two years since service." The addage applies, "...don't do as I do, rather do as I say..."

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Aug 22, 2015 10:40 AM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

While we are sharing mistakes – I will share our more expensive mistake.

 

We replaced our main and mizzen sails with hydranet vertical battened sails recently, having been assured by Demi sails that they make plenty of these for the super maramu and they don’t pose a problem. They did perform very well during the summer and we have not had any problem so far in furling  them, however they do not go all the way into the mast such that there is always some sail visible without UV protection, which I think is problem for their longevity. Also I am concerned about wear on the batten slots. So I think on reflection given the choice again I would not have vertical battens fitted.

 

Andrew

Ronpische

SM472

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive shaft seals and wear bearing - don't do what I did

 

 

Bill,

I did the same thing last year—Just lazy I guess.

I also changed the O ring on the drain plug and put some sealant between the outside of the drain plug and the C-Drive body. Just in case that is where the water was coming from

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive shaft seals and wear bearing - don't do what I did

 

 

All,

 

We learn from our mistakes, and sometimes we benefit from other's mistakes. I think that I have learned a lot from others, so it is time to payback.

 

We normally haul every two years to renew antifouling and perform maintenance including servicing the C drive and Bow Thruster. We hauled in May in Malta and because we had so few hours on the C Drive, I chose to forgo the C Drive maintenance. A few months later we have a slight discoloration of the C Drive oil in the reservoir to a caramel color...definite water intrusion. I drained some from the reservoir to confirm.

 

So, now we are going to pay to haul/launch for something we should have done in Malta.

 

Probably everyone knows this, but the lesson learned is the C Drive should be serviced every 2 years or 800 hours, which ever comes first. And, when your boat is out of the water don't put off something you can do while it is out.

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

Currently Barcelona

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive shaft seals and wear bearing - don't do what I did

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Andrew,

For what is worth...

The original sails on BeBe 387 were Demi sails. Shortly after buying BeBe I had larger UV panels made for the main and the mizzen because with the sails furled and the outhaul car all the way forward to the stop, there was still some sail unprotected. Maybe Demi Sails should be called Demi UV.

I realize this won't solve your problem because as I have said before, I believe that the SM mast is NOT designed for the extra space required by battens, and you will experience wear exactly as you have experienced wear.

Funny thing...I was with an Amel owner last night who asked me what my answer would have been if I had been asked by another owner whether it was safe to forgo servicing the C drive. I told him that I would have said "you should service it because you already have it out of the water and it has been two years since service." The addage applies, "...don't do as I do, rather do as I say..."

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 22, 2015 10:40 AM, "Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

While we are sharing mistakes – I will share our more expensive mistake.

 

We replaced our main and mizzen sails with hydranet vertical battened sails recently, having been assured by Demi sails that they make plenty of these for the super maramu and they don’t pose a problem. They did perform very well during the summer and we have not had any problem so far in furling  them, however they do not go all the way into the mast such that there is always some sail visible without UV protection, which I think is problem for their longevity. Also I am concerned about wear on the batten slots. So I think on reflection given the choice again I would not have vertical battens fitted.

 

Andrew

Ronpische

SM472

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive shaft seals and wear bearing - don't do what I did

 

 

Bill,

I did the same thing last year—Just lazy I guess.

I also changed the O ring on the drain plug and put some sealant between the outside of the drain plug and the C-Drive body. Just in case that is where the water was coming from

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive shaft seals and wear bearing - don't do what I did

 

 

All,

 

We learn from our mistakes, and sometimes we benefit from other's mistakes. I think that I have learned a lot from others, so it is time to payback.

 

We normally haul every two years to renew antifouling and perform maintenance including servicing the C drive and Bow Thruster. We hauled in May in Malta and because we had so few hours on the C Drive, I chose to forgo the C Drive maintenance. A few months later we have a slight discoloration of the C Drive oil in the reservoir to a caramel color...definite water intrusion. I drained some from the reservoir to confirm.

 

So, now we are going to pay to haul/launch for something we should have done in Malta.

 

Probably everyone knows this, but the lesson learned is the C Drive should be serviced every 2 years or 800 hours, which ever comes first. And, when your boat is out of the water don't put off something you can do while it is out.

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

Currently Barcelona

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Victron MultiPlus Compact - Grounding Question

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Following discussions around this earlier in the year I checked our VIctron Quattro Invertor / Charger and found no connection between AC earth and -24V. In any case we also have an isolation transformer which ensures no connection at all with shore AC earth.

Andrew
Ronpische
SM472

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 10:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Victron MultiPlus Compact - Grounding Question



Hanspeter,

No bonding to the arch. I don't need to check, I was there and participated in the wiring of the arch solar panels. Bonding is not necessary.

I don't use the arch to lift the dinghy and I don't transport the dinghy on the arch. If I did, I would not do it with an outboard engine. You never know what kind of storm and conditions you might encounter on a passage. I travel with the dinghy (RIB aluminum bottom) upside down and across the mizzen deck, with the 15hp outboard engine in the aft lazerrette.

I like Naxos. Say hello to the dock master, Nicholas, for Judy and me. He is really a nice guy!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail
On Aug 21, 2015 10:41 PM, "'hanspeter.baettig@...<mailto:hanspeter.baettig@...>' hanspeter.baettig@...<mailto:hanspeter.baettig@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Hi Bill
Concerning bonding ! How Emek, Riza, make the bonding of the Inox Arch on your boat? You checked it?
Second Question to all Emek Arch Owner; how you Lift the dingy with lets say a dingy Motor (4-8 hp) on the top of the Arch. Pic would be very appreciated
Hanspeter
Tamango 2, SM 16
Naxos, Greek

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 21.08.2015 um 15:35 schrieb "Kent Robertson karkauai@...<mailto:karkauai@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>:

Hi Chris & Bill,
On SM243 I had installed a new Sterling 30A charger/2500W inverter in 2012. Per the installation instructions the grounding post was led to the bonding system by my "marine electrician". At that point I didn't know any better. When the unit failed (the charger quit working but the inverter still worked) the fault went to the bonding system, and destroyed my prop shaft. There were other misconnections of the bonding system that contributed, too.
On close inspection I found that the 220AC and 24V DC grounds on the charger/inverter were both connected to its chassis and thus the bonding system.

I suspect that I could have disconnected the 220AC ground from the chassis and run it to the boat's 220 ground, and also run the DC ground to the 24V battery negative.

Instead, I elected not to keep the charger/inverter because of the posts on this forum stating that Amel doesn't use Charger/Inverter's for this very reason. If I want to make a pot of coffee or pop something in the micro ondes, I crank up the Onan, which I usually run for an hour or so each morning and evening anyway.
Hope that helps some, anyway.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
On Aug 21, 2015, at 4:06 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...<mailto:yahoogroups@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Chris & Kent,

This could be a complicated issue concerning Earth, the DC side of the charger and the Amel bonding system. If Emek installed this charger, I would ask Riza. Also, Kent, if you have your "ears on," you might want to jump into this conversation.

First, I believe that the 230VAC Charger/Inverter must be connected to Earth for safe shore power and the generator operation. Since Amel uses green/yellow for both Earth and the Amel Bonding System, you need to be especially careful that it is not connected to the Amel Bonding System.

Secondly, have you looked to see if a yellow/green wire is connected somewhere to the chassis of the charger/inverter? If you have not looked, look now and let me know, because this yellow/green wire will need to be traced to Earth...and verified that it is NOT connected to the Amel Bonding System.

Lastly, most marine electricians simply do not totally understand these wiring schemes on an Amel and are likely to make the wrong assumption. That goes for almost any marine electrician, including Emek's. That said, I am reasonably certain the Riza knows how it should be connected.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Chris Flack chris@...<mailto:chris@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


HI Bill,

We also have the solar arch installed by Emek Marin but we also have had installed the Victron Energy MultiPlus Compact 24 | 2000 | 50-30 230V inverter and battery charger.

When we were in Leros and the fuse on the MultiPlus blew, the electrician who sourced a replacement said that there didn't appear to be a ground/earth attached to the PE terminals when AC comes in via shore power or genney.

Thanks
Chris
Hemera SM031
Currently Gokova Korfezi


On 18-Aug-15 9:55 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...<mailto:yahoogroups@...> [amelyachtowners] wrote:


Chris,

You need to provide more detail.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Aug 17, 2015 11:40 PM, "chris@...<mailto:chris@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Hi Bill

We blew a fuse and the electrian when checking it out asked ad there would be shore power and genny running through it.

He asked and I couldn't answer the question. We have the 24/2000<tel:242000>.

Thanks sgsin
Chris
Hemera SM031

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To: amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries


Chris,

No, the Victron MPPT 75/50 does not have an Earth terminal... And I would not think that it should.

Why do you ask?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Aug 17, 2015 7:37 PM, "chris@...<mailto:chris@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Hi Bill,

Does your Victron Energy MPPT have a ground wire connection for the AC side?

Thanks
Chris
Hemera SM031
At Turgutreis

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...<mailto:yahoogroups@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries


Alex,

With some modern MPPT controllers series is more efficient. I only had enough room at the top of the EMEK Marine arch for three of the 135 watt panels. They are wired in series producing a maximum of 75 volts to the controller, and my controller takes a maximum of 75 volts.

While at anchor, I run the generator to make water, to heat water, to wash clothes, and to top off the batteries.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
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On Aug 13, 2015 5:59 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...<mailto:uster@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Thank yo so much Bill,

So 3 x 135 Watt sola panel is enough !
That sounds great. I thought I would need twice the amount.
So you have regular “flooded” Delco Freedom batteries and they charge fully, this si great.

I thought of the Kyocera as well.
Are they mounted on series or parallel?

A neighbor on a 54 has 4 x 200 Watt mounted in series and obtain 96 Volt which is then convert in 24 volt…
he (try to) explain the lost of energy proportional to the square of the amp, etc. in short gaining 35% by mounting in series, but I have absolutely no clue on that…
So just trying to understand and see working solutions…

Why do you run your genset? To make water, etc. or also to help charging the bateries?

As always thanks for the help!
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Thu, 8/13/15, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@...<mailto:yahoogroups@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries
To: amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Thursday, August 13, 2015, 10:06 AM












Alex,
We have 405 watts of solar which will keep the
batteries at 100% during daylight while running freezer,
fridge, fans and a computer or two. We have a Victron Blue
MPPT controller which has been very good at regulating the
charge during daylight hours. We have 12 standard 110amp
house batteries...freedom model.
I would go with either German or Japanese solar
panels and keep clear of Chinese. There are probably good
panels from China, but I know that there are many poor
quality panels. I think that you get what you pay for. I
chose Kyocera panels from Japan...3 @ 135 watts each with a
MPPT controller up to 75 volts and up to 50 amps. I have the
3 panels wired in a series.
I now run the generator at anchor for about 1
to 1.5 hours every second day.
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

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On Aug 13, 2015 3:57 PM,
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...<mailto:uster@...>
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
wrote:



























Good morning,



Currently I have 8 of the traditional deep cycle flooded
batteries, which is ok, since I spend a large amount of time
in Marinas because of my work.



Therefore, I might start to spend more time at anchor.

From sailing experience I know the genset doesn’t fully
charge the batteries.

So will consider solar panels.

Does anyone have input in this solution?

Also for those using solar panels, did you keep the same
flooded batteries or did you change them with AGM, or else?




Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Taino Beach, Grand Bahama


































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive shaft seals and wear bearing - don't do what I did

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

While we are sharing mistakes – I will share our more expensive mistake.

 

We replaced our main and mizzen sails with hydranet vertical battened sails recently, having been assured by Demi sails that they make plenty of these for the super maramu and they don’t pose a problem. They did perform very well during the summer and we have not had any problem so far in furling  them, however they do not go all the way into the mast such that there is always some sail visible without UV protection, which I think is problem for their longevity. Also I am concerned about wear on the batten slots. So I think on reflection given the choice again I would not have vertical battens fitted.

 

Andrew

Ronpische

SM472

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive shaft seals and wear bearing - don't do what I did

 

 

Bill,

I did the same thing last year—Just lazy I guess.

I also changed the O ring on the drain plug and put some sealant between the outside of the drain plug and the C-Drive body. Just in case that is where the water was coming from

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive shaft seals and wear bearing - don't do what I did

 

 

All,

 

We learn from our mistakes, and sometimes we benefit from other's mistakes. I think that I have learned a lot from others, so it is time to payback.

 

We normally haul every two years to renew antifouling and perform maintenance including servicing the C drive and Bow Thruster. We hauled in May in Malta and because we had so few hours on the C Drive, I chose to forgo the C Drive maintenance. A few months later we have a slight discoloration of the C Drive oil in the reservoir to a caramel color...definite water intrusion. I drained some from the reservoir to confirm.

 

So, now we are going to pay to haul/launch for something we should have done in Malta.

 

Probably everyone knows this, but the lesson learned is the C Drive should be serviced every 2 years or 800 hours, which ever comes first. And, when your boat is out of the water don't put off something you can do while it is out.

 

Best,

 

Bill

BeBe 387

Currently Barcelona

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

Chris Flack
 

Hi JP,

We look forward to checking it out when we are there next week. We won't be making decisions for a while, just gathering info ☺☺

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

Hi Chris,

We are in Goček and will meet in a few days. Obviously, gathering the information is important for your decision. Wait until you see what Eleuthera looks like then it might make your decisions easy…

All the interior/exterior living space is either Silvertech or Sunbrella Super +. Sleeping accommodations are Ikea mattress covers cut and sewn to size. Then fitted sheets over the mattresses. Looks very good and all fabrics will still be in good nick long after I’m pushing up daisies!!

:-)


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM 007


On 22 Aug 2015, at 10:37, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Terrific - thanks for that Bill

Cheers
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031

On 22-Aug-15 10:10 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... <mailto:yahoogroups@...> [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Chris,

UltraSuede is better for berths, but if you use UltraLeather and have a very thick fiber layer (1.5 to 2") as a mattress pad, it might be OK for sleeping. You might want to test this fiber before you upholster with UltraLeather. If it works, you will probably want to have custom mattress pads made for the berths.

I left the original UltraSuede in the forward and aft berths and passageway.

Bill
BeBe, 387

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Chris Flack chris@... <mailto:chris@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Hi Bill,

Further to the upholstery questions, what have you got, or what would you recommend, for the back and seat cushions throughout the rest of the boat? We are leaning towards Ultra Leather Pro but don't think it would be ideal for sleeping on but certainly for back cushions.

Thanks again
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031
Gokova Korfezi



On 18-Aug-15 11:23 AM, chris@... <mailto:chris@...> [amelyachtowners] wrote:


Thanks Bill

Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
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To: "amelyachtowners@..." <mailto:amelyachtowners@...> <amelyachtowners@...> <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery


I have to remove the appropriate seat cushion to open either freezer.

Bill

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Hi Bill,

I would also be interested in the specs too please.

Are you able to access the fridge / freezer under the saloon seat without having to take the cushion off?

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... <mailto:yahoogroups@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery


Thanks, Eric.

If you decide to do something, I could write the specs out for you to give to an upholsterer, or speak to an upholsterer on the phone with you. Most upholsterers I have met are visual and hands-on...and do not follow written instructions very well.

Interestingly, the upholsterer's foam supplier had never split viscoelastic foam (memory foam) in 25mm (1") thicknesses. I convinced the upholsterer that the surfaces would be best with a layer of viscoelastic foam separating the cushion base foam which I demanded as HR 3.5 (High Resilience 3.5 pounds per cubic foot). The upholsterer had never used HR 3.5 and a 25mm layer of viscoelastic foam. The foam supplier had never offered viscoelastic at 25mm. The upholsterer tells me that from now on, that is all he is going to use, and that he is mad at the foam supplier for telling every other upholsterer about it. He says the foam supplier started selling 25mm viscoelastic to all of the upholstery suppliers. I am happy to have contributed to better things in Barcelona. hahahaha!

You could sail to Barcelona, Spain and I can hook you up with the guy...Or Heyers, France for a lot more money.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
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On Aug 18, 2015 6:26 AM, "eric kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Bill,

I drilled and tapped my gearboxes with a M5 tap. The same size as the adapter for the autoprop. In this way I don’t have to insert a zerk fitting to grease the gearboxes. I also drilled one hole low and on the opposite side I drilled the hole high. I insert the grease on the low side and wait till it comes out clean. I also twice annually remove the outhaul drive shaft and apply an aluminum looking anti seize compound.


I wish I knew more about textiles, Your saloon is magnificent

Eric



From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...> [mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forestay furling



Herbert,

If you happen to be in Gocek, the mechanics at EMEK know how to do this job. I saw them overhaul another Amel Genoa furler.

While I was there I had them drill and tap my Genoa furler gearbox for a grease nipple. I had them do the same thing to the outhaul and furling gearboxes on the Main Mast

I pump a little grease into each one once a year. When not adding grease, I replace the grease nipple with a nylon screw. Some owners have added two tapped holes on each one. They unscrew nylon screws from each, screw a grease nipple in one and pump grease until grease comes out the other hole. This is probably an improvement over what I did.

All gears need lubrication. I am not sure why Amel did not add a method of lubrication to these gearboxes. What makes matters worse is that these gearboxes "bake" the grease in the hot sun. On the other hand, the gearboxes will last 10 years, or more, without adding grease...BUT, will probably last 20+ years WITH ADDING GREASE!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 <tel:%2B39%20333%20121%208115> Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 <tel:%2B1832-380-4970> USA Voice Mail

On Aug 17, 2015 10:41 AM, "herbert@... <mailto:herbert@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Thank you Bill,


I removed the motor as far as I could (on anchor, to take the motor out complete I would have to open all the cables) and put some grease in the gearbox, now it is better, maybe only grease is missing. Stupid question: is it necessary to grease the unit periodically? Has anyone some instructions how to do that?


We made the service in kusadasi in turkey, and nearly everything that the mechanics did there made problems later, we had to rework everything step by step. So it would not surprise me if they did not grease it


Fair winds, herbert


KALI MERA SN 120

Vulcano, Italy





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Chris,

We are in Goček and will meet in a few days. Obviously, gathering the information is important for your decision. Wait until you see what Eleuthera looks like then it might make your decisions easy…

All the interior/exterior living space is either Silvertech or Sunbrella Super +. Sleeping accommodations are Ikea mattress covers cut and sewn to size. Then fitted sheets over the mattresses. Looks very good and all fabrics will still be in good nick long after I’m pushing up daisies!!

:-)


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM 007

On 22 Aug 2015, at 10:37, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Terrific - thanks for that Bill

Cheers
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031

On 22-Aug-15 10:10 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... <mailto:yahoogroups@...> [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Chris,

UltraSuede is better for berths, but if you use UltraLeather and have a very thick fiber layer (1.5 to 2") as a mattress pad, it might be OK for sleeping. You might want to test this fiber before you upholster with UltraLeather. If it works, you will probably want to have custom mattress pads made for the berths.

I left the original UltraSuede in the forward and aft berths and passageway.

Bill
BeBe, 387

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Chris Flack chris@... <mailto:chris@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Hi Bill,

Further to the upholstery questions, what have you got, or what would you recommend, for the back and seat cushions throughout the rest of the boat? We are leaning towards Ultra Leather Pro but don't think it would be ideal for sleeping on but certainly for back cushions.

Thanks again
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031
Gokova Korfezi



On 18-Aug-15 11:23 AM, chris@... <mailto:chris@...> [amelyachtowners] wrote:


Thanks Bill

Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
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To: "amelyachtowners@..." <mailto:amelyachtowners@...> <amelyachtowners@...> <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery


I have to remove the appropriate seat cushion to open either freezer.

Bill

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:46 AM, chris@... <mailto:chris@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Hi Bill,

I would also be interested in the specs too please.

Are you able to access the fridge / freezer under the saloon seat without having to take the cushion off?

Cheers
Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... <mailto:yahoogroups@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery


Thanks, Eric.

If you decide to do something, I could write the specs out for you to give to an upholsterer, or speak to an upholsterer on the phone with you. Most upholsterers I have met are visual and hands-on...and do not follow written instructions very well.

Interestingly, the upholsterer's foam supplier had never split viscoelastic foam (memory foam) in 25mm (1") thicknesses. I convinced the upholsterer that the surfaces would be best with a layer of viscoelastic foam separating the cushion base foam which I demanded as HR 3.5 (High Resilience 3.5 pounds per cubic foot). The upholsterer had never used HR 3.5 and a 25mm layer of viscoelastic foam. The foam supplier had never offered viscoelastic at 25mm. The upholsterer tells me that from now on, that is all he is going to use, and that he is mad at the foam supplier for telling every other upholsterer about it. He says the foam supplier started selling 25mm viscoelastic to all of the upholstery suppliers. I am happy to have contributed to better things in Barcelona. hahahaha!

You could sail to Barcelona, Spain and I can hook you up with the guy...Or Heyers, France for a lot more money.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 <tel:%2B39%20333%20121%208115> Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 <tel:%2B1832-380-4970> USA Voice Mail

On Aug 18, 2015 6:26 AM, "eric kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Bill,

I drilled and tapped my gearboxes with a M5 tap. The same size as the adapter for the autoprop. In this way I don’t have to insert a zerk fitting to grease the gearboxes. I also drilled one hole low and on the opposite side I drilled the hole high. I insert the grease on the low side and wait till it comes out clean. I also twice annually remove the outhaul drive shaft and apply an aluminum looking anti seize compound.


I wish I knew more about textiles, Your saloon is magnificent

Eric



From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...> [mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forestay furling



Herbert,

If you happen to be in Gocek, the mechanics at EMEK know how to do this job. I saw them overhaul another Amel Genoa furler.

While I was there I had them drill and tap my Genoa furler gearbox for a grease nipple. I had them do the same thing to the outhaul and furling gearboxes on the Main Mast

I pump a little grease into each one once a year. When not adding grease, I replace the grease nipple with a nylon screw. Some owners have added two tapped holes on each one. They unscrew nylon screws from each, screw a grease nipple in one and pump grease until grease comes out the other hole. This is probably an improvement over what I did.

All gears need lubrication. I am not sure why Amel did not add a method of lubrication to these gearboxes. What makes matters worse is that these gearboxes "bake" the grease in the hot sun. On the other hand, the gearboxes will last 10 years, or more, without adding grease...BUT, will probably last 20+ years WITH ADDING GREASE!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 <tel:%2B39%20333%20121%208115> Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 <tel:%2B1832-380-4970> USA Voice Mail

On Aug 17, 2015 10:41 AM, "herbert@... <mailto:herbert@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:


Thank you Bill,


I removed the motor as far as I could (on anchor, to take the motor out complete I would have to open all the cables) and put some grease in the gearbox, now it is better, maybe only grease is missing. Stupid question: is it necessary to grease the unit periodically? Has anyone some instructions how to do that?


We made the service in kusadasi in turkey, and nearly everything that the mechanics did there made problems later, we had to rework everything step by step. So it would not surprise me if they did not grease it


Fair winds, herbert


KALI MERA SN 120

Vulcano, Italy





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter died

Alan Leslie
 

IB5072 - Inductive sensor - eclass: 27270101 / 27-27-01-01

 



They are all made by ifm efector...and all pretty much the same......

Cheers

Alan
Elyse SM437
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

Chris Flack
 

Terrific - thanks for that Bill

Cheers
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031

On 22-Aug-15 10:10 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 
Chris,

UltraSuede is better for berths, but if you use UltraLeather and have a very thick fiber layer (1.5 to 2") as a mattress pad, it might be OK for sleeping. You might want to test this fiber before you upholster with UltraLeather. If it works, you will probably want to have custom mattress pads made for the berths.

I left the original UltraSuede in the forward and aft berths and passageway.

Bill
BeBe, 387

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

Further to the upholstery questions, what have you got, or what would you recommend, for the back and seat cushions throughout the rest of the boat? We are leaning towards Ultra Leather Pro but don't think it would be ideal for sleeping on but certainly for back cushions.

Thanks again
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031
Gokova Korfezi



On 18-Aug-15 11:23 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Thanks Bill

Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

 
I have to remove the appropriate seat cushion to open either freezer.

Bill

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:46 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

I would also be interested in the specs too please.

Are you able to access the fridge / freezer under the saloon seat without having to take the cushion off? 

Cheers
Chris
Hemera  SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

 

Thanks, Eric.

If you decide to do something, I could write the specs out for you to give to an upholsterer, or speak to an upholsterer on the phone with you. Most upholsterers I have met are visual and hands-on...and do not follow written instructions very well.

Interestingly, the upholsterer's foam supplier had never split viscoelastic foam (memory foam) in 25mm (1") thicknesses. I convinced the upholsterer that the surfaces would be best with a layer of viscoelastic foam separating the cushion base foam which I demanded as HR 3.5 (High Resilience 3.5 pounds per cubic foot). The upholsterer had never used HR 3.5 and a 25mm layer of viscoelastic foam. The foam supplier had never offered viscoelastic at 25mm. The upholsterer tells me that from now on, that is all he is going to use, and that he is mad at the foam supplier for telling every other upholsterer about it. He says the foam supplier started selling 25mm viscoelastic to all of the upholstery suppliers. I am happy to have contributed to better things in Barcelona. hahahaha!

You could sail to Barcelona, Spain and I can hook you up with the guy...Or Heyers, France for a lot more money.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 18, 2015 6:26 AM, "eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

I drilled and tapped my gearboxes with a M5 tap. The same size as the adapter for the autoprop. In this way I don’t have to insert a zerk fitting to grease the gearboxes. I also drilled one hole low and on the opposite side I drilled the hole high. I insert the grease on the low side and wait till it comes out clean.  I also twice annually remove the outhaul drive shaft and apply an aluminum looking anti seize compound.

 

I wish I knew more about textiles, Your saloon is magnificent

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forestay furling

 

 

Herbert,

If you happen to be in Gocek, the mechanics at EMEK know how to do this job. I saw them overhaul another Amel Genoa furler.

While I was there I had them drill and tap my Genoa furler gearbox for a grease nipple. I had them do the same thing to the outhaul and furling gearboxes on the Main Mast 

I pump a little grease into each one once a year. When not adding grease, I replace the grease nipple with a nylon screw. Some owners have added two tapped holes on each one. They unscrew nylon screws from each, screw a grease nipple in one and pump grease until grease comes out the other hole. This is probably an improvement over what I did.

All gears need lubrication. I am not sure why Amel did not add a method of lubrication to these gearboxes. What makes matters worse is that these gearboxes "bake" the grease in the hot sun. On the other hand, the gearboxes will last 10 years, or more, without adding grease...BUT, will probably last 20+ years WITH ADDING GREASE!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 17, 2015 10:41 AM, "herbert@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Bill,

 

I removed the motor as far as I could (on anchor, to take the motor out complete I would have to open all the cables) and put some grease in the gearbox,  now it is better, maybe only grease is missing. Stupid question: is it necessary to grease the unit periodically? Has anyone some instructions how to do that? 

 

We made the service in kusadasi in turkey, and nearly everything that the mechanics did there made problems  later, we had to rework everything step by step. So it would not surprise me if they did not grease it

 

Fair winds, herbert

 

KALI MERA SN 120

Vulcano, Italy

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter died

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

The original was IB5076 (3 wires). I used an IB5074 (2 wires).

I am not familiar with the one you have.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 2:05 AM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Bill,
I have a new model 5072 with 3 wires.
I don't understand your instructions.
Please explain.
Fair winds,
eric
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Chris,

UltraSuede is better for berths, but if you use UltraLeather and have a very thick fiber layer (1.5 to 2") as a mattress pad, it might be OK for sleeping. You might want to test this fiber before you upholster with UltraLeather. If it works, you will probably want to have custom mattress pads made for the berths.

I left the original UltraSuede in the forward and aft berths and passageway.

Bill
BeBe, 387

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Chris Flack chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

Further to the upholstery questions, what have you got, or what would you recommend, for the back and seat cushions throughout the rest of the boat? We are leaning towards Ultra Leather Pro but don't think it would be ideal for sleeping on but certainly for back cushions.

Thanks again
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031
Gokova Korfezi



On 18-Aug-15 11:23 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Thanks Bill

Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

 
I have to remove the appropriate seat cushion to open either freezer.

Bill

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:46 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

I would also be interested in the specs too please.

Are you able to access the fridge / freezer under the saloon seat without having to take the cushion off? 

Cheers
Chris
Hemera  SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

 

Thanks, Eric.

If you decide to do something, I could write the specs out for you to give to an upholsterer, or speak to an upholsterer on the phone with you. Most upholsterers I have met are visual and hands-on...and do not follow written instructions very well.

Interestingly, the upholsterer's foam supplier had never split viscoelastic foam (memory foam) in 25mm (1") thicknesses. I convinced the upholsterer that the surfaces would be best with a layer of viscoelastic foam separating the cushion base foam which I demanded as HR 3.5 (High Resilience 3.5 pounds per cubic foot). The upholsterer had never used HR 3.5 and a 25mm layer of viscoelastic foam. The foam supplier had never offered viscoelastic at 25mm. The upholsterer tells me that from now on, that is all he is going to use, and that he is mad at the foam supplier for telling every other upholsterer about it. He says the foam supplier started selling 25mm viscoelastic to all of the upholstery suppliers. I am happy to have contributed to better things in Barcelona. hahahaha!

You could sail to Barcelona, Spain and I can hook you up with the guy...Or Heyers, France for a lot more money.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 18, 2015 6:26 AM, "eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

I drilled and tapped my gearboxes with a M5 tap. The same size as the adapter for the autoprop. In this way I don’t have to insert a zerk fitting to grease the gearboxes. I also drilled one hole low and on the opposite side I drilled the hole high. I insert the grease on the low side and wait till it comes out clean.  I also twice annually remove the outhaul drive shaft and apply an aluminum looking anti seize compound.

 

I wish I knew more about textiles, Your saloon is magnificent

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forestay furling

 

 

Herbert,

If you happen to be in Gocek, the mechanics at EMEK know how to do this job. I saw them overhaul another Amel Genoa furler.

While I was there I had them drill and tap my Genoa furler gearbox for a grease nipple. I had them do the same thing to the outhaul and furling gearboxes on the Main Mast 

I pump a little grease into each one once a year. When not adding grease, I replace the grease nipple with a nylon screw. Some owners have added two tapped holes on each one. They unscrew nylon screws from each, screw a grease nipple in one and pump grease until grease comes out the other hole. This is probably an improvement over what I did.

All gears need lubrication. I am not sure why Amel did not add a method of lubrication to these gearboxes. What makes matters worse is that these gearboxes "bake" the grease in the hot sun. On the other hand, the gearboxes will last 10 years, or more, without adding grease...BUT, will probably last 20+ years WITH ADDING GREASE!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 17, 2015 10:41 AM, "herbert@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Bill,

 

I removed the motor as far as I could (on anchor, to take the motor out complete I would have to open all the cables) and put some grease in the gearbox,  now it is better, maybe only grease is missing. Stupid question: is it necessary to grease the unit periodically? Has anyone some instructions how to do that? 

 

We made the service in kusadasi in turkey, and nearly everything that the mechanics did there made problems  later, we had to rework everything step by step. So it would not surprise me if they did not grease it

 

Fair winds, herbert

 

KALI MERA SN 120

Vulcano, Italy

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chain counter died

eric <kimberlite@...>
 

Does anyone know about a chain counter sensor  same manufacturer as my dead one but with a model number IB5072

Fair Winds

Eric

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

Chris Flack
 

Hi Bill,

Further to the upholstery questions, what have you got, or what would you recommend, for the back and seat cushions throughout the rest of the boat? We are leaning towards Ultra Leather Pro but don't think it would be ideal for sleeping on but certainly for back cushions.

Thanks again
Chris Flack
Hemera SM031
Gokova Korfezi

On 18-Aug-15 11:23 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Thanks Bill

Chris
Hemera SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

 
I have to remove the appropriate seat cushion to open either freezer.

Bill

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:46 AM, chris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

I would also be interested in the specs too please.

Are you able to access the fridge / freezer under the saloon seat without having to take the cushion off? 

Cheers
Chris
Hemera  SM031

-----Original Message-----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gear Box Greasing and salon upholstery

 

Thanks, Eric.

If you decide to do something, I could write the specs out for you to give to an upholsterer, or speak to an upholsterer on the phone with you. Most upholsterers I have met are visual and hands-on...and do not follow written instructions very well.

Interestingly, the upholsterer's foam supplier had never split viscoelastic foam (memory foam) in 25mm (1") thicknesses. I convinced the upholsterer that the surfaces would be best with a layer of viscoelastic foam separating the cushion base foam which I demanded as HR 3.5 (High Resilience 3.5 pounds per cubic foot). The upholsterer had never used HR 3.5 and a 25mm layer of viscoelastic foam. The foam supplier had never offered viscoelastic at 25mm. The upholsterer tells me that from now on, that is all he is going to use, and that he is mad at the foam supplier for telling every other upholsterer about it. He says the foam supplier started selling 25mm viscoelastic to all of the upholstery suppliers. I am happy to have contributed to better things in Barcelona. hahahaha!

You could sail to Barcelona, Spain and I can hook you up with the guy...Or Heyers, France for a lot more money.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 18, 2015 6:26 AM, "eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

I drilled and tapped my gearboxes with a M5 tap. The same size as the adapter for the autoprop. In this way I don’t have to insert a zerk fitting to grease the gearboxes. I also drilled one hole low and on the opposite side I drilled the hole high. I insert the grease on the low side and wait till it comes out clean.  I also twice annually remove the outhaul drive shaft and apply an aluminum looking anti seize compound.

 

I wish I knew more about textiles, Your saloon is magnificent

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 5:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Forestay furling

 

 

Herbert,

If you happen to be in Gocek, the mechanics at EMEK know how to do this job. I saw them overhaul another Amel Genoa furler.

While I was there I had them drill and tap my Genoa furler gearbox for a grease nipple. I had them do the same thing to the outhaul and furling gearboxes on the Main Mast 

I pump a little grease into each one once a year. When not adding grease, I replace the grease nipple with a nylon screw. Some owners have added two tapped holes on each one. They unscrew nylon screws from each, screw a grease nipple in one and pump grease until grease comes out the other hole. This is probably an improvement over what I did.

All gears need lubrication. I am not sure why Amel did not add a method of lubrication to these gearboxes. What makes matters worse is that these gearboxes "bake" the grease in the hot sun. On the other hand, the gearboxes will last 10 years, or more, without adding grease...BUT, will probably last 20+ years WITH ADDING GREASE!

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+39 333 121 8115 Italy Mobile
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Aug 17, 2015 10:41 AM, "herbert@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Bill,

 

I removed the motor as far as I could (on anchor, to take the motor out complete I would have to open all the cables) and put some grease in the gearbox,  now it is better, maybe only grease is missing. Stupid question: is it necessary to grease the unit periodically? Has anyone some instructions how to do that? 

 

We made the service in kusadasi in turkey, and nearly everything that the mechanics did there made problems  later, we had to rework everything step by step. So it would not surprise me if they did not grease it

 

Fair winds, herbert

 

KALI MERA SN 120

Vulcano, Italy

 
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