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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mast pumping/vibration when moored in high wind & slight forward rake at mast top?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Bill

I have only noticed this on two occasions over the past 9 months and on both cases it was by standing on the dock about 1 boat length away from the boat and from a side view, mid ships in line with the mast.

The fact that I have only seen this very slight mid mast movement on two occasions possibly means that it perhaps only occurs when the wind hits the mast from a specific direction . One also has to look very closely to detect it.

In our case all sail halyards are very tight and we do not release the tensions on these when docking so will also do so in future as this May well be the cause of this mid mast flexing.

It would also be most interesting to hear from those who are on their boats at present about their main mast settings in terms of the numbers that are set dead straight at the top as compared to those who have a slight backwards or slight forwards angle at the top?

My gut feel is that most SM's main masts would be dead straight at the top. To observe this one needs to stand at the base of the mast and look up the side of the mast.

Kind regards
Colin 
Island Pearl II, SM#332
Newport, Australia


On 5 May 2014, at 10:42 pm, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

 

Colin,

This is only a partial answer. I am fairly certain that the SM owners manual says that when the boat is not in use to slacken all of the sail halyards: genoa, main and mizzen. We do this.

I have not noticed what you describe as a slight "wobble" or "pumping" action in the middle of the main mast section...I will be looking for it in the coming weeks, but since we are on the boat, I am not sure that I would see it. Did you see this on your boat, or from a dock?

Bill
BeBe 387


On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 12:20 PM, <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:
 

Since we purchased our main mast has had a very very slight forward rake at the top instead of being dead straight or having a slight backwards lean at the top. This had never bothered us as we had noticed this same feature on some of the other SM's that we looked at over the years before purchasing Island Pearl II.


Also at times when there is stronger wind where the boat is moored I have detected a very slight "wobble" or "pumping" action in the middle of the main mast section.


Has anyone out there also noticed this? I seem to remember (possibly Joel?) saying something about releasing the pressure on the front furling sail stay (or the halyard?) when not in use to prevent this but can't seem to find this link on the site now. Is this the solution or should I permanently lessen the rigging tension on the front stays and tighten at the rear to get the mast top dead straight?


Fair winds

Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, SM#332

Newport, QLD , Australia




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mast pumping/vibration when moored in high wind & slight forward rake at mast top?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Colin,

This is only a partial answer. I am fairly certain that the SM owners manual says that when the boat is not in use to slacken all of the sail halyards: genoa, main and mizzen. We do this.

I have not noticed what you describe as a slight "wobble" or "pumping" action in the middle of the main mast section...I will be looking for it in the coming weeks, but since we are on the boat, I am not sure that I would see it. Did you see this on your boat, or from a dock?

Bill
BeBe 387


On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 12:20 PM, <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:
 

Since we purchased our main mast has had a very very slight forward rake at the top instead of being dead straight or having a slight backwards lean at the top. This had never bothered us as we had noticed this same feature on some of the other SM's that we looked at over the years before purchasing Island Pearl II.


Also at times when there is stronger wind where the boat is moored I have detected a very slight "wobble" or "pumping" action in the middle of the main mast section.


Has anyone out there also noticed this? I seem to remember (possibly Joel?) saying something about releasing the pressure on the front furling sail stay (or the halyard?) when not in use to prevent this but can't seem to find this link on the site now. Is this the solution or should I permanently lessen the rigging tension on the front stays and tighten at the rear to get the mast top dead straight?


Fair winds

Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, SM#332

Newport, QLD , Australia




Mast pumping/vibration when moored in high wind & slight forward rake at mast top?

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Since we purchased our main mast has had a very very slight forward rake at the top instead of being dead straight or having a slight backwards lean at the top. This had never bothered us as we had noticed this same feature on some of the other SM's that we looked at over the years before purchasing Island Pearl II.


Also at times when there is stronger wind where the boat is moored I have detected a very slight "wobble" or "pumping" action in the middle of the main mast section.


Has anyone out there also noticed this? I seem to remember (possibly Joel?) saying something about releasing the pressure on the front furling sail stay (or the halyard?) when not in use to prevent this but can't seem to find this link on the site now. Is this the solution or should I permanently lessen the rigging tension on the front stays and tighten at the rear to get the mast top dead straight?


Fair winds

Colin & Lauren Streeter

Island Pearl II, SM#332

Newport, QLD , Australia



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santorin - Dual Fridge/Freezer and cabin floor area storage

Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...>
 

Hi
On Akwaaba the veg store is a Bottle  and veg fridge...compressor installed under the cooker. A freezer is installed under the small seat facing aft. It was made in Australia and follows the contours of the boat,
Hope this helps
Chris


On 4 May 2014, at 17:11, <ericmeury@...> wrote:

 

Any Santorin owners out there with a second fridge.  We would like to eventually install one and wanted to know if any santorin owners had one from new or if there was a place you installed it.  



Also any santorin owners why there isn't an area for storage in the cabin floor like there is on the Maramu and Super Maramu..  Do the water tanks come up that high that there isnt room?


Santorin - Dual Fridge/Freezer and cabin floor area storage

ericmeury@...
 

Any Santorin owners out there with a second fridge.  We would like to eventually install one and wanted to know if any santorin owners had one from new or if there was a place you installed it.  



Also any santorin owners why there isn't an area for storage in the cabin floor like there is on the Maramu and Super Maramu..  Do the water tanks come up that high that there isnt room?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Climma Replacement Capacitors

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

Exactly, and these generally go bad slowly, slowly affecting the speed of the fan...the fan speed will slow down. Let me assure you that you will not notice this, but the fan will decrease in speed, over time, to as little as 50% of its intended speed.

When this happens the heater will not function properly, turning itself off because it has a safety feature that requires a certain amount of air flow.

I did the same thing Eric did...bought a multimeter on eBay that also checks capacitors. I was also amazed at how many were bad. If I had to guess, I would say that these capacitors have a life of about 7-8 years of normal use. I was able to get the same rating and size for the 2mf capacitors, but had to get the 3.15mf from Climma. I think I paid $6 each for the 2mf and $12 each for the 3.15.

Go here and download Climma Fan Capacitors (2nd photo). Changing these is an easy job.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:26 AM, sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:
 

There are 2   2 microfarad and one 3.15 microfarad.

They are rather small and if you purchase them outside of a climma distributor you will probably need to mount them outside the metal box..

When I bought a cheap capacitor checker on ebay I was surprised how many bad capacitors I had.

Fair Winds

 

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of ferruccilorenzo@...
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2014 8:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Climma Replacement Capacitors

 

 

Hi everybody, Does anyone could tell me specs of capacitors for Climma 9 EH fan speed? I have 3 capacitors that manages fan speed (one for slow, one for medium, one for max) but I don't know how many microFarad each one have to be. Thanks a lot



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Climma Replacement Capacitors

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

There are 2   2 microfarad and one 3.15 microfarad.

They are rather small and if you purchase them outside of a climma distributor you will probably need to mount them outside the metal box..

When I bought a cheap capacitor checker on ebay I was surprised how many bad capacitors I had.

Fair Winds

 

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of ferruccilorenzo@...
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2014 8:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Climma Replacement Capacitors

 

 

Hi everybody, Does anyone could tell me specs of capacitors for Climma 9 EH fan speed? I have 3 capacitors that manages fan speed (one for slow, one for medium, one for max) but I don't know how many microFarad each one have to be. Thanks a lot


Re: Mainsail Incident

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Ian:

I have had the same thing happen, i.e. the main sail furling bolts loosening while under sail and the furling gearbox dropping down.  I suppose, having been advised by Olivier Beaute when he gave us the new boat owners indoctrination as we purchased our new boat, to "not over tighten" those bolts I had been less than diligent in assuring they were tight enough.  There is probably a happy medium between too tight and risking stripping the threads and not tight enough to prevent the furling gearbox from falling down.  When the boat was delivered to us, Amel did supply s specialty piece of line with a loop in the end of it that was designed to loop over the furling handle and be taken on cleat to one of the main mast cleats to hold the furling handle in this exact scenario. I would estimate it is about 1/4th to 3/8th inch diameter white line about 3 feet long with a loop.    I still have mine and keep it with the other emergency bits of kit in the cockpit locker.  Your improvisation worked no doubt.  It is now part of my scan of rigging to assure the bolts are tight enough and I also scan the gearbox from time to time while on long passages to assure that there is adequate engagement of the gearbox with the pins on the bottom of the mail sail furling foil.  

On another subject, at one point due to slipping of the outhaul line I had to manually cleat the outhaul to the main boom cleat that is cut into the aft end of the boom.  I looped my line incorrectly and when it came under load it pinched itself such that I had a terrible time getting it undone when the time came to furl the main.  So careful attention to routing that bit of kit is called for if you manually cleat the outhaul.

All the best, 

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona  SM 335   Jolly Harbor, Antigua
only three weeks until I am aboard again!!!!


Re: Bent boom on Maramu #147

goughs_au@...
 

James, I would be really surprised if the boom itself would fail suddenly, it is super strong. However I can't say the same for fittings. If you see cracks at attachment points, something may be happening, I do not remember any cracks in 2011. From memory the points where the boom attaches to the main sheet are moveable. Try moving and examine for any weakness particularly if stainless is in direct contact with aluminium.

If there is any info on "Mahiti" I could help with do not hesitate to ask. Through this site or

goughs_au@...

Regards,

Mike Gough


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3433

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hello Charles,
We had mast steps fitted to the main mast on our last boat and they worked very well but a word of warning as we also had an inner forestay fitted with the halyard emerging from the mast only two feet down from the forestay so that there was no need for runners.,Oysters called this a slutter rig as it changed the boat from a sloop to a cutter rig. The caveat was that the fixings for the new sheave box savaged a halyard because they were near the front of the mast. It only happened once but could have been serious. Moral, always check the whole of a halyard before trusting it with someone’s weight.
The housing for the furled sail inside the mast is large and so I suggest that you start by feeling it inside the mast through the little hatch on the starboard base of the mast and be assured that by fixing your steps in the space about half way back your fixings are thus well out of range for halyard damaging.
The steps were riveted in place with monel rivets and the rigger also told us that he was going to put plastic between each step and the mast.
I suspect he did not as it was never to be seen. He might well have used a smear of non corrosive paste.

Give it a go! Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM 319, for sale in Malta

From: Charles Macdonald
Sent: Saturday, May 3, 2014 12:38 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3433


Thank you Kent and all for answering my queries, but somehow I do not find a real answer to my question: does fitting steps on the mast (with a furler) entails drawbacks, like rivets or screws damaging the sail or if fitted with inox rivets has consequences like electrolyse. I have seen pictures of Maramu with steps fitted to both masts, so I gather it is is possible. I would like to climb the mast using the steps and a harness like rock climbers.
Charles


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Re: FW: Main mast ladder <#1a> by "Kent Robertson" karkauai








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Re: No longer needed spares and Amel original equipment. <#2a> by "Bill & Judy Rouse" svbebe








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Re: Bent boom on Maramu #147 <#3a> by j.lochhead








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Replacement or repair of the Scheiber 110 to 230 volt transformer <#4a> by gatesfrederick






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Re: Replacement or repair of the Scheiber 110 to 230 volt transforme <#4b> by "Kent Robertson" karkauai






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Re: Replacement or repair of the Scheiber 110 to 230 volt transforme <#4c> by "Richard03801" richard03801






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Re: Replacement or repair of the Scheiber 110 to 230 volt transforme <#4d> by gatesfrederick








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Interior Finish and brass lamp refreshing SM <#5> by tango708













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Thu May 1, 2014 4:07 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Kent Robertson" karkauai <mailto:karkauai@...?subject=Re%3A%20FW%3A%20Main%20mast%20ladder>




I also have a TopClimber which I got after the terrible accident in Antigua a few years ago. I use the captive halyard for the ballooner as primary, and an extra external halyard (placed by previous owner for spinnaker) as my safety line.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
> On Apr 30, 2014, at 8:42 PM, <wlmailhtml:divanz620@...> wrote:
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> I've had one of these for years, takes a bit to get the hang of it, but it's great...
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> Only thing that concerns me, and concerned our rigger is that on our masts, unless you take down the genoa, or main and mizzen, there is no way you can go up the mast on a captive halyard.
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> All the other lines are on external blocks and if that block or its attachment goes, you'll come down in a big hurry !
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Thu May 1, 2014 4:09 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Bill & Judy Rouse" svbebe <mailto:yahoogroups@...?subject=Re%3A%20No%20longer%20needed%20spares%20and%20Amel%20original%20equipment%2E>




Sorry, I forgot what yahoo does to email addresses.

Email me at bill"at"svbebe.com

CW Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
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On May 1, 2014 10:46 AM, <wlmailhtml:yahoogroups@...> wrote:

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> I have seen postings that some of you have replaced pumps and other items
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Thu May 1, 2014 5:07 am (PDT) . Posted by:

j.lochhead <mailto:j.lochhead@...?subject=Re%3A%20Bent%20boom%20on%20Maramu%20%23147>




Hi,

Dennis, Thanks for doing that research. Who knows what the story with the drawing in then? My thinking was that the bend had been caused due to the force of the sail on the end of the boom (as the sail is not fixed along the entire foot but only at the end). In other words if you think of the boom acting as a beam being pulled down at the mainsheet in the middle and then up in the aft by the sail. The forces must be fairly large.


Mike, Thanks for that info. I have been going through the paperwork and can see that you certainly did do a lot of work to her. Not only that but she has been very well looked after. Your info that it was bent in 2003 is very useful, and has relaxed me somewhat. The second time I took my wife out sailing on a previous yacht the boom snapped with a bang. I am not to keen on a repeat, but if iit has been like that for so long I will just keep an eye on it.


I have noticed some very minor cracking on the bottom at the mainsheet connection. Do you remember seeing anything like this?


James









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Thu May 1, 2014 10:58 am (PDT) . Posted by:

gatesfrederick <mailto:derickgates@...?subject=Re%3A%20Replacement%20or%20repair%20of%20the%20Scheiber%20110%20to%20230%20volt%20transformer>




Hi all,


My electrician in St. Thomas traced down why I had stopped getting the 110 volt shore power to work. Apparently the original Amel-installed Scheiber 6300 VA step up transformer (110 to 230 Volts) on Brava is seeing the 110 volt shore power input, but not delivering any 230 volt output. He said he does not see anything amiss (no visible burn marks etc).


Is it possible that he has missed some fuse or circuit breaker? Is it worthwhile to look into repairing a transformer, or is it cost effective to source a new one?


Any thoughts or past experience?


The boat has shore power through the 220V line and appropriate US adaptors, but I would like to get the 110 Volt solution back on-line in case I visit a marina without 220 volts. Or am I being mistaken that such 110 volt-only marinas still exist?


Derick


SM2K Brava
Currently at Sapphire Beach Marina
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Thu May 1, 2014 11:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Kent Robertson" karkauai <mailto:karkauai@...?subject=Re%3A%20Replacement%20or%20repair%20of%20the%20Scheiber%20110%20to%20230%20volt%20transforme>




Hi Derick,
I assume you know that there is a plug on the forward engine room bulkhead that has to be removed from one socket for 220V to the other socket for 110V?
Kent
SM243 Kristy

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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacement or repair of the Scheiber 110 to 230 volt transformer



Hi all,

My electrician in St. Thomas traced down why I had stopped getting the 110 volt shore power to work. Apparently the original Amel-installed Scheiber 6300 VA step up transformer (110 to 230 Volts) on Brava is seeing the 110 volt shore power input, but not delivering any 230 volt output. He said he does not see anything amiss (no visible burn marks etc).

Is it possible that he has missed some fuse or circuit breaker? Is it worthwhile to look into repairing a transformer, or is it cost effective to source a new one?

Any thoughts or past experience?

The boat has shore power through the 220V line and appropriate US adaptors, but I would like to get the 110 Volt solution back on-line in case I visit a marina without 220 volts. Or am I being mistaken that such 110 volt-only marinas still exist?

Derick

SM2K Brava
Currently at Sapphire Beach Marina
St. Thomas, USVI (but I am in Massachusetts)









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Thu May 1, 2014 12:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Richard03801" richard03801 <mailto:richard03801@...?subject=Re%3A%20Replacement%20or%20repair%20of%20the%20Scheiber%20110%20to%20230%20volt%20transforme>




Why not install a new smart charger except 90-260 V 50 or 60 cycle so long as it's about 10% of your 24 V battery pack it should work pretty good mine has the last seven years

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

> On May 1, 2014, at 13:58, <wlmailhtml:derickgates@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> My electrician in St. Thomas traced down why I had stopped getting the 110 volt shore power to work. Apparently the original Amel-installed Scheiber 6300 VA step up transformer (110 to 230 Volts) on Brava is seeing the 110 volt shore power input, but not delivering any 230 volt output. He said he does not see anything amiss (no visible burn marks etc).
>
>
>
> Is it possible that he has missed some fuse or circuit breaker? Is it worthwhile to look into repairing a transformer, or is it cost effective to source a new one?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts or past experience?
>
>
>
> The boat has shore power through the 220V line and appropriate US adaptors, but I would like to get the 110 Volt solution back on-line in case I visit a marina without 220 volts. Or am I being mistaken that such 110 volt-only marinas still exist?
>
>
>
> Derick
>
>
>
> SM2K Brava
>
> Currently at Sapphire Beach Marina
>
> St. Thomas, USVI (but I am in Massachusetts)
>
>









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Thu May 1, 2014 2:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

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Kent (Rusty),

Brava does have the same set up on the engine room bulkhead where you have to switch the plug between shore power 110 Volt input and 220 volt input, but forgetting to do that is not the issue in this case. Thanks for asking. Leaving the unit unplugged would indeed be the type of thing I would do...


Hope you have reached the end of your chain by now and all has returned to normal in the chain locker.


regards,


Derick









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Has anyone found a product to refresh the varathane interior finish on a SM? Also, the clear finish on my brass Amel lamps has failed. Has anyone renewed the lamp finish.

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Panama Yacht Transit

Carlos Presencia
 

Thanks, Ian and Judy. I will be crossing on wednesday, 


On 03/05/2014, at 01:09, "Ian & Judy" <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

 

Hi Carlos,  We transited in 2003 when the Panama  Canal Yacht Club was still in existence (it was bulldozed overnight a couple of years ago by the barbarian  guys who had won the port concession ). At that time the club recommended some trusty taxi drivers who did about 50 transits a year , really knew how to handle the lines and, as important, knew the various lock staff well enough to tell them where to go ( in a friendly manner !) whenever they shouted at us to cast off lines before it was safe to do so. These guys also provided the tyres. Well worth it.
When we transited ,the canal had only been in Panamanian hands for two years and 40 percent of transiting yachts in that time had a scrape or more, usually in the down locks on the Pacific side ( which, surprisingly, is on the east side ) when they were caught unawares by the following breeze which accelerates through the locks in the afternoon.
We were lucky -- we had a superb pilot, a Chinese Panamanian who was still restricted to yachts because there were too many junior pilots, but who was easily capable of taking ships through. I just steered and used the throttle exactly as he said and the transit was a delight, a highlight of our 8 years in  South America.
Also, and this may be difficult to get today, we went in the up locks as a single boat. We had to raft up with a larger yacht in the three down locks, a brand new custom 2m dollars worth with a professional skipper. Not only did their engine stall but they had taken two  clueless backpackers as line handlers . We took both boats through on our engine ( saving the other guy a fine of 3000 US ) and our own line handlers just screamed at their guys to back off their lines which they took control of.
Before you transit do get a cab to take you to some of the viewing places overlooking the locks and do read A Passage between the Seas, a fabulous account of the construction of the canal, 100 years old this year.
I am sure if you speak to other yachties in Panama they will fill you in on the latest experiences and who you can use to help you. I would certainly not go through short handed. If you are fully crewed you can enjoy the whole trip.
Good luck,
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza, Greece


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: yahoogroups@...
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 04:25:15 +0000
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Panama Yacht Transit



Carlos,

Our agent, Stanley Scott <sscott@...>, gave us some tires and 4 each 150' lines as part of the agent fee.

Go to our blog and read all about our transit on our Panama page: http://svbebe.blogspot.com/search/label/Panama

You will need to scroll down until you get to the part about the transit.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Carlos Presencia <capredi@...> wrote:
 
Hi everybody, I'm in Panama right now, and it's my first time thru the canal, any advice. Some local guys are selling me used tires covered in plastic for protection. Do I have to buy them? Do I need extra docking lines for the operation? Thanks in advance for any info

Carlos Presencia
Meltem 31






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Panama Yacht Transit

Carlos Presencia
 

Thanks, for the advice Bill, I all ready contact a local agent , that my neighbor in the marina recommend me, he charge me 50$ for 10 tires covered in plastic bags and four long lines for the crossing. If every thing goes fine, I will be crossing next wednesday.

Thanks again, 
Carlos
Gavilan III
Meltem 31


On 02/05/2014, at 23:25, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

 

Carlos,

Our agent, Stanley Scott <sscott@...>, gave us some tires and 4 each 150' lines as part of the agent fee.

Go to our blog and read all about our transit on our Panama page: http://svbebe.blogspot.com/search/label/Panama

You will need to scroll down until you get to the part about the transit.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Carlos Presencia <capredi@...> wrote:
 

Hi everybody, I'm in Panama right now, and it's my first time thru the canal, any advice. Some local guys are selling me used tires covered in plastic for protection. Do I have to buy them? Do I need extra docking lines for the operation? Thanks in advance for any info

Carlos Presencia
Meltem 31



Mainsail Incident

Ian Shepherd
 

I was beating my way back to Larnaca Cyprus last Tuesday reefed down to
about 30% on all three sails during a Coptic gale with an apparent wind
of 35 to 40 knots. As I tacked, there was a bang followed by the main
unfurling fully. Investigation at the mast revealed that the furling
motor had worked loose and had dropped down a little, disengaging the
drive to the furling mechanism.

I managed to furl the sail in stages using the manual reversion
technique. Being single handed, two problems showed up. Firstly I was
not equipped to quickly disengage the out-haul drive, so I had to keep
returning to the cockpit to move the clew electrically forwards in
stages. Secondly whilst so doing, you need to stop the furler unwinding
under wind load so you have to find a way to restrain the winch handle.
I used the end of the ballooner halyard to tie the handle whilst I
returned to the cockpit. Luckily my North Sails are only three years old
and very rugged and so no damage was done despite the inevitable flogging.

Thinking about ways to improve the situation should the problem reoccur,
it would be nice to make up a spring release for the outhaul drive
similar to the lock on the genoa. Just lift and twist to release the
drive. Also a strap with a twist fastener fixed to the lower part of the
mast would be handy to restrain the winch handle. Maybe there is some
way also to stop the motor moving downwards unintentionally? Some sort
of mechanical stop perhaps? I believe mine worked loose due to
compression of the nylon strips that are under the bolt heads over
time. These bolts need to be checked for tightness on a regular basis.

Ian Shepherd SM2K 414 Crusader (2003) Larnaca Cyprus


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Climma Replacement Capacitors

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Follow this link: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/324976668/lightbox/522801600

If the above doesn't help you, go to the Amel group, click on photos, then enter a key word capacitor or climma.

CW Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
sent from my tablet

On May 3, 2014 3:19 PM, <ferruccilorenzo@...> wrote:
 

Hi everybody, Does anyone could tell me specs of capacitors for Climma 9 EH fan speed? I have 3 capacitors that manages fan speed (one for slow, one for medium, one for max) but I don't know how many microFarad each one have to be. Thanks a lot


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 3433

Charles Macdonald <c.macdonald@...>
 

Thank you Kent and all for answering my queries, but somehow I do not find a
real answer to my question: does fitting steps on the mast (with a furler)
entails drawbacks, like rivets or screws damaging the sail or if fitted with
inox rivets has consequences like electrolyse. I have seen pictures of
Maramu with steps fitted to both masts, so I gather it is is possible. I
would like to climb the mast using the steps and a harness like rock
climbers.
Charles


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Re: Replacement or repair of the Scheiber 110 to 230 volt transforme
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Re: Replacement or repair of the Scheiber 110 to 230 volt transforme
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Thu May 1, 2014 4:07 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Kent Robertson" karkauai
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I also have a TopClimber which I got after the terrible accident in Antigua a
few years ago. I use the captive halyard for the ballooner as primary, and an
extra external halyard (placed by previous owner for spinnaker) as my safety
line.
Kent
SM243 Kristy

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2014, at 8:42 PM, <divanz620@...> wrote:

I've had one of these for years, takes a bit to get the hang of it, but
it's great...



Only thing that concerns me, and concerned our rigger is that on our masts,
unless you take down the genoa, or main and mizzen, there is no way you can
go up the mast on a captive halyard.



All the other lines are on external blocks and if that block or its
attachment goes, you'll come down in a big hurry !



Cheers

Alan

SV Elyse SM437









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Thu May 1, 2014 4:09 am (PDT) . Posted by:

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Sorry, I forgot what yahoo does to email addresses.

Email me at bill"at"svbebe.com

CW Bill Rouse
BeBe 387
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On May 1, 2014 10:46 AM, <yahoogroups@...> wrote:



I have seen postings that some of you have replaced pumps and other items
with different-than-original components, or equipment.


I was thinking that you may have a overhaul kit for a pump that you have
replaced, or some other spare that you no longer need.


I may be interested in buying original equipment Amel spares that you do
not need.


If you will email me with what you have, where the part would be shipped
from, and the price you will sell it for, I may buy some...and I will
create and post a list of available spares for the other owners to look at
ans possibly buy.


Email me at Bill@...


Bill

BeBe 387









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Thu May 1, 2014 5:07 am (PDT) . Posted by:

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Hi,

Dennis, Thanks for doing that research. Who knows what the story with the
drawing in then? My thinking was that the bend had been caused due to the
force of the sail on the end of the boom (as the sail is not fixed along the
entire foot but only at the end). In other words if you think of the boom
acting as a beam being pulled down at the mainsheet in the middle and then up
in the aft by the sail. The forces must be fairly large.


Mike, Thanks for that info. I have been going through the paperwork and can
see that you certainly did do a lot of work to her. Not only that but she has
been very well looked after. Your info that it was bent in 2003 is very
useful, and has relaxed me somewhat. The second time I took my wife out
sailing on a previous yacht the boom snapped with a bang. I am not to keen on
a repeat, but if iit has been like that for so long I will just keep an eye on
it.


I have noticed some very minor cracking on the bottom at the mainsheet
connection. Do you remember seeing anything like this?


James









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Hi all,


My electrician in St. Thomas traced down why I had stopped getting the 110
volt shore power to work. Apparently the original Amel-installed Scheiber
6300 VA step up transformer (110 to 230 Volts) on Brava is seeing the 110 volt
shore power input, but not delivering any 230 volt output. He said he does
not see anything amiss (no visible burn marks etc).


Is it possible that he has missed some fuse or circuit breaker? Is it
worthwhile to look into repairing a transformer, or is it cost effective to
source a new one?


Any thoughts or past experience?


The boat has shore power through the 220V line and appropriate US adaptors,
but I would like to get the 110 Volt solution back on-line in case I visit a
marina without 220 volts. Or am I being mistaken that such 110 volt-only
marinas still exist?


Derick


SM2K Brava
Currently at Sapphire Beach Marina
St. Thomas, USVI (but I am in Massachusetts)









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Thu May 1, 2014 11:35 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Kent Robertson" karkauai
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Hi Derick,
I assume you know that there is a plug on the forward engine room bulkhead
that has to be removed from one socket for 220V to the other socket for 110V?
Kent
SM243 Kristy

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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replacement or repair of the Scheiber 110 to 230
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Hi all,

My electrician in St. Thomas traced down why I had stopped getting the 110
volt shore power to work.  Apparently the original Amel-installed Scheiber
6300 VA step up transformer (110 to 230 Volts) on Brava is seeing the 110 volt
shore power input, but not delivering any 230 volt output.  He said he does
not see anything amiss (no visible burn marks etc).  

Is it possible that he has missed some fuse or circuit breaker?  Is it
worthwhile to look into repairing a transformer, or is it cost effective to
source a new one?

Any thoughts or past experience?

The boat has shore power through the 220V line and appropriate US adaptors,
but I would like to get the 110 Volt solution back on-line in case I visit a
marina without 220 volts.  Or am I being mistaken that such 110 volt-only
marinas still exist?

Derick

SM2K Brava
Currently at Sapphire Beach Marina
St. Thomas, USVI (but I am in Massachusetts)









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Thu May 1, 2014 12:00 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"Richard03801" richard03801
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Why not install a new smart charger except 90-260 V 50 or 60 cycle so long as
it's about 10% of your 24 V battery pack it should work pretty good mine has
the last seven years

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 1, 2014, at 13:58, <derickgates@...> wrote:

Hi all,



My electrician in St. Thomas traced down why I had stopped getting the 110
volt shore power to work. Apparently the original Amel-installed Scheiber
6300 VA step up transformer (110 to 230 Volts) on Brava is seeing the 110
volt shore power input, but not delivering any 230 volt output. He said he
does not see anything amiss (no visible burn marks etc).



Is it possible that he has missed some fuse or circuit breaker? Is it
worthwhile to look into repairing a transformer, or is it cost effective to
source a new one?



Any thoughts or past experience?



The boat has shore power through the 220V line and appropriate US adaptors,
but I would like to get the 110 Volt solution back on-line in case I visit a
marina without 220 volts. Or am I being mistaken that such 110 volt-only
marinas still exist?



Derick



SM2K Brava

Currently at Sapphire Beach Marina

St. Thomas, USVI (but I am in Massachusetts)









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Thu May 1, 2014 2:43 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

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Kent (Rusty),

Brava does have the same set up on the engine room bulkhead where you have to
switch the plug between shore power 110 Volt input and 220 volt input, but
forgetting to do that is not the issue in this case. Thanks for asking.
Leaving the unit unplugged would indeed be the type of thing I would do...


Hope you have reached the end of your chain by now and all has returned to
normal in the chain locker.


regards,


Derick









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Has anyone found a product to refresh the varathane interior finish on a SM?
Also, the clear finish on my brass Amel lamps has failed. Has anyone renewed
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Panama Yacht Transit

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Carlos,  We transited in 2003 when the Panama  Canal Yacht Club was still in existence (it was bulldozed overnight a couple of years ago by the barbarian  guys who had won the port concession ). At that time the club recommended some trusty taxi drivers who did about 50 transits a year , really knew how to handle the lines and, as important, knew the various lock staff well enough to tell them where to go ( in a friendly manner !) whenever they shouted at us to cast off lines before it was safe to do so. These guys also provided the tyres. Well worth it.
When we transited ,the canal had only been in Panamanian hands for two years and 40 percent of transiting yachts in that time had a scrape or more, usually in the down locks on the Pacific side ( which, surprisingly, is on the east side ) when they were caught unawares by the following breeze which accelerates through the locks in the afternoon.
We were lucky -- we had a superb pilot, a Chinese Panamanian who was still restricted to yachts because there were too many junior pilots, but who was easily capable of taking ships through. I just steered and used the throttle exactly as he said and the transit was a delight, a highlight of our 8 years in  South America.
Also, and this may be difficult to get today, we went in the up locks as a single boat. We had to raft up with a larger yacht in the three down locks, a brand new custom 2m dollars worth with a professional skipper. Not only did their engine stall but they had taken two  clueless backpackers as line handlers . We took both boats through on our engine ( saving the other guy a fine of 3000 US ) and our own line handlers just screamed at their guys to back off their lines which they took control of.
Before you transit do get a cab to take you to some of the viewing places overlooking the locks and do read A Passage between the Seas, a fabulous account of the construction of the canal, 100 years old this year.
I am sure if you speak to other yachties in Panama they will fill you in on the latest experiences and who you can use to help you. I would certainly not go through short handed. If you are fully crewed you can enjoy the whole trip.
Good luck,
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Preveza, Greece


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: yahoogroups@...
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 04:25:15 +0000
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Panama Yacht Transit



Carlos,

Our agent, Stanley Scott <sscott@...>, gave us some tires and 4 each 150' lines as part of the agent fee.

Go to our blog and read all about our transit on our Panama page: http://svbebe.blogspot.com/search/label/Panama

You will need to scroll down until you get to the part about the transit.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Carlos Presencia <capredi@...> wrote:
 
Hi everybody, I'm in Panama right now, and it's my first time thru the canal, any advice. Some local guys are selling me used tires covered in plastic for protection. Do I have to buy them? Do I need extra docking lines for the operation? Thanks in advance for any info

Carlos Presencia
Meltem 31






Panama Yacht Transit

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Carlos,

Our agent, Stanley Scott <sscott@...>, gave us some tires and 4 each 150' lines as part of the agent fee.

Go to our blog and read all about our transit on our Panama page: http://svbebe.blogspot.com/search/label/Panama

You will need to scroll down until you get to the part about the transit.

Bill
BeBe 387


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Carlos Presencia <capredi@...> wrote:
 

Hi everybody, I'm in Panama right now, and it's my first time thru the canal, any advice. Some local guys are selling me used tires covered in plastic for protection. Do I have to buy them? Do I need extra docking lines for the operation? Thanks in advance for any info

Carlos Presencia
Meltem 31



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Speedisleeve

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Ian

Thanks

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Ian & Judy
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 9:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Speedisleeve

 

 

Hi Eric,  I used a different solution. John Hollanby kindly supplied me with the larger seals. I then took a new bronze wearing ring to a good workshop in England where they measured the tolerance between the normal Amel supplied seals and the bronze ring and replicated it precisely by pressing on a stainless cover, slightly oversize, and then milling that stainless to get the precise outside diameter needed.
It cost me £50 and I will fit it next time I do a change. If, like Crusader, I get 4 years out of it ( or more ) it will have been a great investment.
  Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Preveza, Greece


To: amelyachtowners@...
From: annejohnholl@...
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 12:08:15 +0200
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Speedisleeve


Hello Eric,

I think that it is three of them but here is my post on the subject which is mostly taken from the SKF website. I think you would need three but they would confirm if as and when you order some.

 

                                  Good luck,  Anne and John,  Bali Hai,  SM319,  for sale in Malta

 

Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 11:19 AM

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fw: Wearing out ring prop shaft

 

Hello Eric,

I did not use Speedi-Sleeve as the local agent did not have the size needed in stock. I have had a look at the SKF web site www2.chicago-rawhide.com but am not clever enough to figure it out. There are two sorts of sleeve,one is only 0.254mm. thick and then there is a heavier duty version LDSLVwear sleeve which has a wall thickness of 2.4mm but they say that even the heavier one suits the original size of oil seal.

They say that these sleeves are supplied with a tool which fits over them so hammer/press? them on and that the flange should be cut before the fitting so that i t can be peeled off by winding it off on the tip of a needle nose plier if it is going to be in the way.

All in all I am happy that I used the ring as specified in my original posting of 09/05/2013 (propshaft wearing ring) as it was so simple to do although perhaps the LDSLV sleeves would have been just as easy if they had been available and if they come in the right length and diameter.

 

                         Best wishes,   Anne and John, Bali Hai,  SM319,  for sale in Malta

 

 

From: sailormon

Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 7:03 PM

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fw: Wearing out ring prop shaft

 

 

Dear Ann and John,

Is there one speedi-sleeve that is long enough to cover the entire wearing out bushing?

Does the curved lip on the speedi-sleeve interfere with the lip seals, or did you have it machined off?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Anne and John Hollamby
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:40 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fw: Wearing out ring prop shaft

 

Hello Lars.

There is some excellent advice in the files section on how to do this job. However the bronze replacement bearing from Amel is very expensive and there is, in my opinion a better solution by lining the old bearing with stainless steel. Because I find it very hard to find old messages on this site I am copying two messages to you.  I suggest that you also Google SKF Speedi-sleeve which is so thin that you can still use the same size lip seals. A replacement wearing ring will cost you about €300 and my solution with a s/s bush using the old bearing was under €100 including using an engineer to press it on. I imagine that the Speedy-sleeves would be less.

                   Best wishes,  Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM 319,  for sale in Malta

Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:27 PM

Subject: [Amel] Propellor Shaft Bushing and Rotary Shaft Seals

 

As we've all experienced, the bronze "wearing-out bushing" (as Amel refers it) gets, well, worn out and grooved from the lip seals. Then water leaks into the oil and we see the tell-tale "chocolate milk" colored oil that says it's time to haul out and replace the seals (cheap) and the "wearing-out bushing" (typically dear in price if supplied by Amel.)
I've had two thoughts on this: switch to a harder bushing of stainless steel and/or try a new (to me) lip seal design by SKF called the Wave Seal. It has the lip in a sinusoidal pattern that spreads the wearing area on the bushing. (SKF is "the world leader in bearing technology.")
I ran this by SKF's engineering department who were most responsive. Here's what their take was on the issue:
"Craig,
My educated guess is that the seals are not an issue in this application. The problem is with the Bronze bushing that is being used as a sealing surface. Bronze is generally quite soft and might not have the required hardness of Rockwell C 30 or higher. You have a few options to solve this issue:
• You can put SKF speedi-sleeve gold on the shaft (P/N 99830). You will probably have to install multiple sleeves as you have 3 seals next to each other.
• You can replace the bronze bushing with a hardened wear sleeve for better abrasion resistance. We can offer you a custom wear sleeve if needed.
• You can plate your bushing with a harder material (Chrome, ceramic, etc) to make it wear resistant.
Essentially, the harder the shaft is, the less grooving it will see. I also suggest you to make sure that you grease pack the area between the seals to make sure that the seals not in contact with the oil are well lubricated. A lack of lubrication can cause the seal and surface to wear quicker. Finally I would arrange the seals with 2 facing the water and one facing the oil as long as there is no pressure difference.
Best regards, Jaydeep Laljani, Application Engineer, SKF USA

I wrote back and said:
"Many thanks for your analysis. Frankly, I have wondered why the manufacturer used Bronze in the first place and not stainless - they actually call it a "wearing-out bushing" (but then they do charge a lot for replacements :-).
Next month I'm returning to the boat, which is in Turkey, and I can easily have a local shop turn a new bushing in 316 Stainless (the same material as the shaft and propeller, so no electrolysis issues.) I think that would solve the problem without going to sleeves or plating.
As for the orientation of the seals, I like your suggestion of two facing the water and will do that the next time I change the seals. After all, we're really trying to keep the water out more than keeping the oil in. And, yes, indeed, I always pack the seals with a good water-proof grease and that helps, I'm sure. "

Jaydeep replied with:
"I think you might not get as much life as you want with 316 SS as it is still not up to the required hardness. If you want to go Stainless I recommend 17-4 Stainless steel which is harder. If you are going with the 316 SS I would recommend you to passivate it to improve corrosion resistance. "

So that's the story which I thought might be of interest to the group. I hauled last year and only haul every three years, plus the new seals I put on then only have 300 hours and are not yet leaking so I'll report back in 2015 when I haul again and install a new 17-4 Stainless Steel "Not Wearing-Out Bushing" with two seals facing out!

Cheers, Craig Briggs
s/v SANGARIS, 1992 Santorin #68, Didim Turkey


 

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Interior Finish and brass lamp refreshing SM

tango708@...
 

Mark,
Thank you very much.  I will try the products you suggested.

Blessings,
Tango