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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Furler stuck
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Hi Pat. Can you drop the head sail if so with the halyard out of the way does the roller system. If so does the roller bearing that goes up with the sail turn free. Or does it wrap the halyard?? Before you start take anything major apart look at the simple stuff first. Give a call let talk it over. Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All Capt Richard RP Yacht Brokerage Newport RI We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's Cell 603 767 5330
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Re: Furler stuck
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Pat, a second reading of your post got me to wondering if the motor runs and gearbox turns with the engagement pin pulled? Isolate the furling foil from the gearbox and see if the motor runs freely.
Gary
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Re: Furler stuck
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
I think the key point here is that the foil/furler won't turn when the engagement pin is pulled. That, in my opinion excludes the gearbox & motor.
Before doing anyrhing else, go up the mast and look to verify something ( a mis-led halyard etc) isn't binding at the head. You have focused your trouble shooting on only 1/2 of the system, check out what, if anything, is going on at the top of the system.
Just a thought.
Sincerely, Gary Silver
SM 335
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Re: Furler stuck
myersdon1
You may have a combination of problems. It is very disconcerting that the motor stalls as it has a great deal of torque. I would first separate the foil from the gearbox. This is accomplished by removing the three 10 mm bolts located around the cast aluminum piece riveted to the foil. You should be able to lift the foil using the genoa halyard and attaching the swivel to the cast piece. This may take a little persuasion due to corrosion around the shaft. The foil will move up a few inches and when free of the gearbox you can try to turn the foil. It should turn freely if the halyard is not so tight that it is jammed at the top. If it turns freely your problem is in the gearbox or motor. I would next check the motor. Remove the motor cover, check the connections at the motor and in the port side front locker. Check the motor brushes. You can remove the motor and make sure it's shaft turns freely. If no problem has been found to this point, the issue must be within the gearbox. I believe removal has been described in other posts.
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Furler stuck
Patrick McAneny
We put our genoa on last night and the furler turned only two revolutions and stopped. I pulled up the pin to roll it in by hand and could only turn it a bit more and no further. It was very difficult to unroll it the 4 or 5 revolutions so we could drop the sail. While pulling the sail up I thought I felt the furler drop a little , I looked and the rivets looked fine so I thought nothing more of it. The drum and furler should be separate from the metal plate under it when the pin is in the up position. Does the furler ride on a bearing that may be bad ? The further I turned it ,it got harder to turn until I could turn it no further , about 4 revolutions. After I got it unrolled and removed the sail , I was later able to turn it a few revolutions with the motor and then it got slow and stopped and only the solenoid would click but the motor would not turn. Does anyone have any idea as to what the source of the friction would be or why the fuler will not turn , with the pin up ? Thanks , Pat SM Shenanigans
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Forestay Grease
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Thank you, Olivier, Yes, it is exactly 14 years ago today since you commissioned Pen Azen for us in La Rochelle. Since then we have sailed some 58,000 miles with two Atlantic crossings and a 7 year circumnavigation of South America with two seasons in the Beagle Channel ( plus, bien sur ! a rounding of Cape Horn) . We are as in love with Pen Azen as the day we first set foot on her. All the best, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu To: amelyachtowners@... From: amelyachtowners@... Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 01:50:28 -0700 Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Forestay Grease Good morning Judy and Ian, I can imagine you had wonderful sailing journeys since we last met (!). A good grease for the genoa foil is silicone grease, because it's thick and sticky (though melting at warm temperatures, leaving grease flowing on the forestay chain-plat, as you probably all experienced). This grease is also good for the turn-buckles'threads, when you tighten them. By the way, Craig is right saying that you should take down the electric furler from the foil, before droping the foil/forestay assembly, because of the weight, but also because of a plastic sleeve/bearing, located around the forestay, at the bottom, between the foil and the motor. This plastic sleeve will prevent you from
pulling the forestay out of the foil (the bottom swage will knock on the sleeve). This plastic sleeve is a cylinder made of two halves in order one can easily install and remove it. All the best. Olivier.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Forestay Grease
Olivier Beaute
Good morning Judy and Ian, I can imagine you had wonderful sailing journeys since we last met (!). A good grease for the genoa foil is silicone grease, because it's thick and sticky (though melting at warm temperatures, leaving grease flowing on the forestay chain-plat, as you probably all experienced). This grease is also good for the turn-buckles'threads, when you tighten them. By the way, Craig is right saying that you should take down the electric furler from the foil, before droping the foil/forestay assembly, because of the weight, but also because of a plastic sleeve/bearing, located around the forestay, at the bottom, between the foil and the motor. This plastic sleeve will prevent you from
pulling the forestay out of the foil (the bottom swage will knock on the sleeve). This plastic sleeve is a cylinder made of two halves in order one can easily install and remove it. All the best. Olivier.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mercury Outboard 15hp carburetor problem
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Thanks, Ian...It seems to be fine now. I would have called him a few days ago, if I had the number...I was certainly at that point. We will be here for another week.
Bill BeBe 387
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mercury Outboard 15hp carburetor problem
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Bill and Judy, If you are still in Montenegro and need anything else for your outboard you could try Alan Smith in Tivat, an English mechanic, tel. 00382 69 291239. He revived our 2hp 2stroke Yamaha after it had been on our dinghy which flipped in 50 plus knots as we were entering the narrows in Montenegro. Sod's law, as we never normally either tow the dink or , when doing so, keep the outboard on it...... Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM302, Corfu To: amelyachtowners@... From: amelyachtowners@... Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 05:19:10 +0000 Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mercury Outboard 15hp carburetor problem Greg, Thanks for your email. It was difficult because of a series of connected and disconnected problems. The following were the issues causing and/or contributing to the loss of power:
Number 2 above was the tough one to find and fix. The tiny bits of rubber got lodged in several places:
In all, it took five or six carburetor removals and overhauls to find all of the problems. Finding 7mm fuel hose in Montenegro was a challenge. A taxi and a search of one small town, then another larger town produced 8mm fuel hose for 2 euro, plus 45 euro for the taxi. Fortunately I had saved the fuel line pump bulb from 5 years ago when I changed out the entire fuel tank hose, so I simply am using the old one because finding a new one here is impossible.
The fuel filter did not help when the main contributor to the debris was after the fuel filter. When I get a chance, I will add a disposable in-line filter immediately before the carburetor.
The entire 1 week process was very frustrating and had me considering replacing this 11 year old motor. In the mean time, I did order the reed valve assembly, another carburetor kit, and a few other things which are waiting for me in Houston. I had planned to have them shipped to me, but will wait for a while.
I could not have repaired and cleaned the carburetor if I did not have a compressed air line that I connected to my dive tank. This line is a new addition for me. I bought a 50' lightweight hose from a dive shop that will screw into one of the 3 places on my "first-stage" regulator. At the other end of the hose I can connect either the "second stage," or octopus that I removed to connect this new line, or a air gun. In this case I connected the air gun. I also bought it for quick under-the-boat diving where I can leave the tank on-deck.
I had 4 or 5 years of 2 cycle engine experience when I was a teenager. I raced a go-cart which topped-in at 80mph, powered by two chain saw engines, lots of modifications, and a mixture of gas/nitro. For every hour of racing there was at least 12 hours of repairs/work. In that environment, I would get less than 1 year on the reed valves...but, of course, when they were working the engine was at 12,000 - 15,000 rpm.
I hope that this helps someone with similar issues. Bill BeBe 387
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:22 AM, gmshea@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Mercury Outboard 15hp carburetor problem
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Greg, Thanks for your email. It was difficult because of a series of connected and disconnected problems. The following were the issues causing and/or contributing to the loss of power:
Number 2 above was the tough one to find and fix. The tiny bits of rubber got lodged in several places:
In all, it took five or six carburetor removals and overhauls to find all of the problems. Finding 7mm fuel hose in Montenegro was a challenge. A taxi and a search of one small town, then another larger town produced 8mm fuel hose for 2 euro, plus 45 euro for the taxi. Fortunately I had saved the fuel line pump bulb from 5 years ago when I changed out the entire fuel tank hose, so I simply am using the old one because finding a new one here is impossible.
The fuel filter did not help when the main contributor to the debris was after the fuel filter. When I get a chance, I will add a disposable in-line filter immediately before the carburetor.
The entire 1 week process was very frustrating and had me considering replacing this 11 year old motor. In the mean time, I did order the reed valve assembly, another carburetor kit, and a few other things which are waiting for me in Houston. I had planned to have them shipped to me, but will wait for a while.
I could not have repaired and cleaned the carburetor if I did not have a compressed air line that I connected to my dive tank. This line is a new addition for me. I bought a 50' lightweight hose from a dive shop that will screw into one of the 3 places on my "first-stage" regulator. At the other end of the hose I can connect either the "second stage," or octopus that I removed to connect this new line, or a air gun. In this case I connected the air gun. I also bought it for quick under-the-boat diving where I can leave the tank on-deck.
I had 4 or 5 years of 2 cycle engine experience when I was a teenager. I raced a go-cart which topped-in at 80mph, powered by two chain saw engines, lots of modifications, and a mixture of gas/nitro. For every hour of racing there was at least 12 hours of repairs/work. In that environment, I would get less than 1 year on the reed valves...but, of course, when they were working the engine was at 12,000 - 15,000 rpm.
I hope that this helps someone with similar issues. Bill BeBe 387
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RE: ParaSailor
Gregory Shea
Bill,
Did you fix the outboard problem? The fuel tank vent would have been my first choice, as someone pointed out. Was that it? Considering all of the other stuff you've done, I'd suspect the fuel pump. I'm not conversant with the Mercury pump specifically but they are normally a diaphragm type driven by the crankshaft pressure cycles. If the diaphragm stretches or develops a leak, you will get your symptoms. Pressurizing the whole fuel system with the primer bulb will get you going but if the pump doesn't do it's job, the motor will die after a few minutes. Try getting it going and see if it stays running if you continuously squeeze the primer bulb. I don't think the reed valves are a suspect. They are usually very long lived unless you damage them during a tear down. Greg Shea Sharki 133 Gruissan
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Forestay Grease
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Bonjour, Olivier, I , too, am delighted to read your contributions to this site. When you re grease the forestay what grease do you use ? Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Corfu To: amelyachtowners@... From: amelyachtowners@... Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:12:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Forestay Grease Dear Olivier, it is very nice to see you here. Fair winds eric sm 376 kimberlite
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 03:28 PM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: 4JH4-HTE TURBO MALFUNCTION
Dear Mark: I finally got the turbo to spin freely by using a wireless drill and a socket wrench on the nut holding the fan assembly together with the engine shut down of course. I ran the engine twice and seems it was stuck probably salt water ingress as you said. I did have an accident caused by over cranking and water coming into my carter. I did flush the engine six times and the oil seems to be clear from water now. I tried getting the kit in eBay but one vendor I consulted told me the kit they sold was maybe not compatible with this turbo unit. I sent you the information concerning our engine in case it helps to locate the part. Regards, Alex
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Alarm on SY Elise
Hi Wolfgang Something like this once happened while Atica was on the hard (and I was 5200 miles away!). Of course the usual suspects were all checked, but no avail. It turned out it was an alarm that sounded from the bow-thruster area: a high pitch beep, not too loud, every 5 seconds or so. I was reported it was somehow related to "low-battery”, since the boat had been unplugged from shore power. As soon as the plug was reconnected, it stopped. Good luck Roque Atica Amel 54
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Re: Alarm on SY Elise
Wolfgang Weber <webercardio@...>
Good morning,
Thank you very much for the message, Alarm is running on my boat. I just returned to germany and can't imagine what kind of alarm is working. Saltwaterinlet is closed, everything is shut down. May be there is a dysfunction of the CO or Fire-alarm. How does the Alarm sound ? Long beep , or short ? Loudness ? Thank you for your help Wolfgang Weber webercardio@... Von meinem iPad gesendet
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Post on Cruisers Forum today....
yahoogroups@...
I did a search of the previous postings and found that Wolfgang Weber owns Amel 54 #162 S/Y Elise from La Rochelle.
Unfortunately, I do not have his email address. Possibly someone has his contact information. Bill BeBe #387
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Forestay Grease
eric <kimberlite@...>
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Re: {Disarmed} Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Boom attachment
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Thanks Colin, that is a great offer, much appreciated. We will keep in touch. Kind regards Danny
On Saturday, 28 June 2014 11:14 PM, "Colin Streeter
colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote: Hi Danny If you do leave your boat in Scarborough we can keep an eye on her for you if you wish. I am down there every 2nd week-end as we have a home in the canal estate (Newport) in Scarborough area where our boat is also kept. Would be great to catch up with you guys here.
Kind regards Colin & Lauren Streeter Island Pearl II, SM2K #332 On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
-- Colin Streeter
0411 016 445
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Post on Cruisers Forum today....
Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
Roque Any success? If not, I am sure that the port administrator knows who the owner is, but he/she probably does not work weekends. Stephanie DiBelardino
On Jun 28, 2014, at 6:25 PM, "Roque ediroque@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Post on Cruisers Forum today....
Let`s not miss the point: Regardless the choice of words, someone took the time to write just to help a strange. If it was my boat,I would be very grateful. So, thank you for the info.
Roque Atica Amel 54
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