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Re: Engine Battery Drain - Is it the Prop Shaft Alternator?

Slavko Despotovic
 

Hi Alan,

Amel Super Maramu 2000 owners manual on page 16 have this:

12 V circuit: One only battery feeds the starters of both main engine and power generator engine. It is situated towards the front of the boat.
It is charged from two 12 V alternators one on each of these engines.

I do not if this is the same for SM. But you can easily check. Run engine and measure voltage on starter battery. Turn off the engine.  Then run generator and measure voltage. It should be higher than when both engines are turned off. 

--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: novice problem

Ian Park
 

Others will comment I'm sure. If he has not worked on an Amel he would not know that the powers don't move. I'm sure Olivier would have commented had the stage not been as rock solid as they should be.
We have a full enclosure on our Santorin and it is like sailing in a pilot house in bad weather, especially with the heating on!! Ours however is designed round a bimini, which is possible on the Santorin as there is only one winch on each side of the cockpit.I
But wIth for comment from SM owners.

And enjoy your new boat!

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96 currently locked down in North Wales.


novice problem

Matti Lohikoski
 

Dear Amelians,
I have just acquired Borador, my first real sailing vessel.(I have had a Beneteau for 20 years but the feeling is quite, quite different)
Following this very informative group I asked Olivier to do the survey and I got a long but fortunately not too severe list of defects.
Quite happy with his assistance.

I'm planning to sail Borador from Valencia to Finland beginning April when the sea ice is melting here.

I must have a closed Bimini made in Valencia. Without being there, due to current European situation, I have to trust a lot to sailmaker.
The many pictures in this site have been very helpful. 
Nacho is suggesting to put a U shaped tube fastened to deck close to mizzen mast.
I am more in favour of connecting this tube to mizzen stays like #299 but Nachos opinion is that the stays are moving and its not a good solution.
Unfortunately I must do it now, it can be a bloody cold journey. 

May I have your opinion which way to go.

Sincerely yours

Matti Lohikoski

SM2K #398

Finland


Re: Where do you send the grey water from a washing machine?

Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
 

Since all the gray water on Aquarius is piped into the bilge,  and then pumped out.  For the washing machine, I would say that it's a good thing.  Good flow of soapy water to clean out the bilge water a bit.   The only thing I might want to change is to route the sink straight out of the boat.

All the best,

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K262


Re: Fw: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

Craig Briggs
 

I'll second Jean-Pierre's endorsement of "Captain Tolley's (Amazing) Creeping Crack Cure" !  
15 years or so on our hairline leaks of windows and still bone dry!

That being said, I recall discussion from, I think, Joel, that the "faux teak" gelcoat was often painted a bit too thick and can crack, but there is a proper thickness of white under it. I suspect the cracks in the brown do not go through the underlying white, much less through the laminate and into the balsam core. 

Ian, have you actually discovered sections of soggy balsa core, or just observed the surface cracks in the faux teak layer?
-- Craig
SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

Eric Freedman
 

hi Ian,
There is a liquid that we have here called captain tollyes creeping crack repair.

https://www.amazon.com/Captain-Tolleys-Creeping-Crack-Bottle/dp/B00JQ6XHWC
https://www.amazon.com/Captain-Tolleys-Creeping-Crack-Bottle/dp/B00JQ6XHWC

I just keep putting it into hairline cracks and wipe off the residue., keep repairing daily until the crack is filled. It is colorless and
seems to work on hairline cracks.
Fair Winds.
Eric
Sm 376 Kimberlite'

On January 21, 2021 at 12:40 PM "ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...>" <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

Hi Folks,

 Pen Azen is 20 years old and has about 65,000 miles under her keel.  On the faux teak deck she has a number of hairline cracks, hard to see unless in sunlight and about 1-2 cm long. They are in random places, a few clustered around the point where you step off the deck into the cockpit on the starboard side.   They are not structural but should be filled as otherwise water can penetrate and damage the balsa.
 It's a tricky job to enlarge a crack sufficiently to fill it and the result will never look perfect.  

 The chap who is going to do this for me asked Amel what fibre glass they had used originally but cannot get a reply.

 Has anyone carried out such repairs ? if so I would be interested to hear if they have any tips as to what they used and the finish that they managed to achieve.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece

 

 


Re: Fw: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Judy and Ian,

Eleuthera is SM007. Being a few years older than your vessel, it had exactly the same problems. However upon purchasing the boat some six years ago, we used a product called Captain Tolley’s creeping crack cure. Still a good solution many years later. 

One caution; when you do the work ensure you follow the application instructions. Otherwise you’ll end up with some residue on the decks. Don’t ask...

Kind regards,  

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, Opua NZ


On 22 Jan 2021, at 07:59, ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:



 
Hi Folks,

 Pen Azen is 20 years old and has about 65,000 miles unde her keel.  On the faux teak deck she has a number of hairline cracks, hard to see unless in sunlight and about 1-2 cm long. They are in random places, a few clustered around the point where you step off the deck into the cockpit on the starboard side.   They are not structural but should be filled as otherwise water can penetrate and damage the balsa.
 It's a tricky job to enlarge a crack sufficiently to fill it and the result will never look perfect.  

 The chap who is going to do this for me asked Amel what fibre glass they had used originally but cannot get a reply.

 Has anyone carried out such repairs ? if so I would be interested to hear if they have any tips as to what they used and the finish that they managed to achieve.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece


Re: Where do you send the grey water from a washing machine?

Karen Smith
 

Nothing to add on the drain arrangements, the normal bilge is where it should be going.  On the question about the water pressure, it is useful to remember that all of these machines are designed for, and mostly used with normal household water systems.  Pressures from 25PSI to close to about 80 PSI are "normal" for city water systems, although I have seen higher pressures in some places, close to 100 psi.  Anything I'd expect to see on the boat should be well within the design range.


Re: Where do you send the grey water from a washing machine?

John Clark
 

Right the gray water bilge in the engine room, not under the floor in the galley.  ;)

John Clark
SM 37 Annie
St Thomas USVI


On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 1:43 PM Juan de Zulueta <jdezulue@...> wrote:
Hello John,

On the Super Maramu the water of the washing machine goes into the bilge.
By the way the lye will help clean the bilge.

Juan de Zulueta
+33680895892
sent from my Ipad.
SM#32
Ophelie X

Le 20 janv. 2021 à 13:34, JB Duler <jbduler@...> a écrit :

Hello,

We are rebuilding the whole plumbing system.

1. For the washing machine, where do you send the grey water? In the bilge and then you pump it out? There is an used thruhull above the water line with a sea cock. Any of you sending the grey water above the water line. If you heel on the wrong you run the risk of sending sea water inside the washing machine. Not good. If you close the sea cock you run the risk of a memory lapse and running the washing machine through a closed sea cock. Not good either.
What is your setup?
2. Fresh water pump: is 6GPM, 60 PSI too much pressure?

Thks!
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med


Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

Dan Wilcox
 

Happy to contribute in any way I can.  This group has helped me a lot as I make significant upgrades.  Let me know if there is any additional information I can provide.  My project starting Saturday is to install a Diesel hydronic heating system from Sure Marine Services.

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86

On Thursday, January 21, 2021, 11:36:36 AM PST, Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:


Thanks Dan,

That is really helpful. I owe you one.

Kind regards
Mark
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

Mark Barter
 

Thanks Dan,

That is really helpful. I owe you one.

Kind regards
Mark
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Fw: Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 


 
Hi Folks,

 Pen Azen is 20 years old and has about 65,000 miles under her keel.  On the faux teak deck she has a number of hairline cracks, hard to see unless in sunlight and about 1-2 cm long. They are in random places, a few clustered around the point where you step off the deck into the cockpit on the starboard side.   They are not structural but should be filled as otherwise water can penetrate and damage the balsa.
 It's a tricky job to enlarge a crack sufficiently to fill it and the result will never look perfect.  

 The chap who is going to do this for me asked Amel what fibre glass they had used originally but cannot get a reply.

 Has anyone carried out such repairs ? if so I would be interested to hear if they have any tips as to what they used and the finish that they managed to achieve.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece


Deck repairs for an SM ( and other Amels )

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Folks,

 Pen Azen is 20 years old and has about 65,000 miles under her keel.  On the faux teak deck she has a number of hairline cracks, hard to see unless in sunlight and about 1-2 cm long. They are in random places, a few clustered around the point where you step off the deck into the cockpit on the starboard side.   They are not structural but should be filled as otherwise water can penetrate and damage the balsa.
 It's a tricky job to enlarge a crack sufficiently to fill it and the result will never look perfect.  

 The chap who is going to do this for me asked Amel what fibre glass they had used originally but cannot get a reply.

 Has anyone carried out such repairs ? if so I would be interested to hear if they have any tips as to what they used and the finish that they managed to achieve.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece


Re: Super Maramu later model with a Secondary Saltwater Manifold

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thank Bill for all your efforts.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2021 8:50 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Super Maramu later model with a Secondary Saltwater Manifold

 

The folks at SOFOMARIN in France (supplier to Amel for PVC manifolds for the 55, 50, & 60) and I have been working on a PVC Secondary Saltwater Manifold in PVC for late model SM's.

 

The original Saltwater manifold looks like this:

 

The Secondary Saltwater Manifold we are designed looks similar to this, but assembled by gluing and welding. In the photo below parts are taped together.

 

What I would like to do is to have 1 or 2 SM owners order and install the above design (see attached proforma). I am 99% sure it will work, but you never know. In case there are any issues, it would be best if an owner of a SM located in France or Europe is the first to try. The cost of the manifold complete is 437.36 euro less 15% or 371.76 euro. This includes 1 meter of 35mm wire reinforced hose to replace the secondary manifold to the primary manifold is included. That hose is hard to find.

 

Please let me know if you will be the first to try this.

Regarding the Amel 54 Secondary Saltwater Manifold, a 54 owner is ordering it and as soon as I know there are no problems, I will release order information here.

 

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar


Super Maramu later model with a Secondary Saltwater Manifold

 

The folks at SOFOMARIN in France (supplier to Amel for PVC manifolds for the 55, 50, & 60) and I have been working on a PVC Secondary Saltwater Manifold in PVC for late model SM's.

The original Saltwater manifold looks like this:
image.png

The Secondary Saltwater Manifold we are designed looks similar to this, but assembled by gluing and welding. In the photo below parts are taped together.
image.png

What I would like to do is to have 1 or 2 SM owners order and install the above design (see attached proforma). I am 99% sure it will work, but you never know. In case there are any issues, it would be best if an owner of a SM located in France or Europe is the first to try. The cost of the manifold complete is 437.36 euro less 15% or 371.76 euro. This includes 1 meter of 35mm wire reinforced hose to replace the secondary manifold to the primary manifold is included. That hose is hard to find.

Please let me know if you will be the first to try this.

Regarding the Amel 54 Secondary Saltwater Manifold, a 54 owner is ordering it and as soon as I know there are no problems, I will release order information here.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

Dan Wilcox
 

Hi Mark, 

I did end up moving the motor mounts.  The ones closest to the "C" drive remained basically in the same place.  Center pin is approximately 2" aft of "C" drive body.  Both sets of new mounts are centered 18.25 inches apart.  The aft (towards stern) are 39" back (on center).  Forward I used the HY150, for the aft I went to the HY230 (This takes bulk of weight from engine and 24v alternator).

Note:  I did this install myself and in no way consider myself an expert.  There is a slight vibration when idling in neutral, but smooths out completely when placed in forward or reverse.  I'm guessing that is normal.

Thanks Dan
Feierabend SM #86

On Wednesday, January 20, 2021, 09:16:59 AM PST, Dan Wilcox via groups.io <dwilcox123@...> wrote:


i can take some pictures and measurements for you, and will also include mount models.  I'll run down to the boat today and send them tonight.

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86

On Wednesday, January 20, 2021, 05:19:30 AM PST, Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:


Hi Dan,

Sorry to resurrect this old topic but the installation didn't go well because the fitter failed to install new engine mounts meaning that we have excessive vibration and noise. I am going to have the mounts changed. 

What mounts did you end up using please? I can see they are different to the originals. Were you able to put them in the same place as the old mounts without alteration?

Thanks
Mark
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Re: SM spare halyard on main mast

Jarek Zemlo
 

Slavko,
thanks, that looks nice and with good distance from the genoa so there is no interference.
Regards
Jarek
NOA BLUE


Re: SM spare halyard on main mast

Slavko Despotovic
 

Jarek,

this is how is done on my Amel. Never mind the broken FM antenna that have been replaced. 

Regards,
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Portoroz


Re: SM spare halyard on main mast

Miles
 

Hi Bill,

 

For interest you are correct.  Amel did change the mast top along with many other things.  When I bought Ladybug, my SM 216, from Amel, they offered the extra halyard holder as an expensive option.  I accepted.  It was a beautifully crafted plate of stainless steel that was fitted to the top of the mast and had over hangs on the front two sides for halyard blocks.  I am not at the boat now (the boat is in Le Marin.  I am in Newport), but I will take a photo when I return in an two months or so if anyone is interested.

 

Regards,

 

Miles


Re: Where do you send the grey water from a washing machine?

Ian Townsend
 

On our SM, the washing machine grey water goes from the drain pipe to a tee in the hose that runs aft to the bilge in the engine room. It works perfectly. The washing machine you have might be different but ours does not require a fresh water pump with PSI above 30. 

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Jan 20, 2021, at 12:33 PM, JB Duler <jbduler@...> wrote:

Hello,

We are rebuilding the whole plumbing system.

1. For the washing machine, where do you send the grey water? In the bilge and then you pump it out? There is an used thruhull above the water line with a sea cock. Any of you sending the grey water above the water line. If you heel on the wrong you run the risk of sending sea water inside the washing machine. Not good. If you close the sea cock you run the risk of a memory lapse and running the washing machine through a closed sea cock. Not good either.
What is your setup?
2. Fresh water pump: is 6GPM, 60 PSI too much pressure?

Thks!
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med

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