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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat,

I think you plumbed it correctly. 

Doesn't the fresh RINSE water go through the LP pump, then the prefilters, then the HP pump, then the tubes?

Bill
BeBe

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill , I did plumb a rinse valve with fresh water coming from my tank , but I have it going to the LP pump, I suppose I should have introduced the fresh water at the filters , that way they get rinsed as well. I guess I should re-do it. Thanks , Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Sep 20, 2014 8:40 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

 
Pat,

I was getting air in the system when changing or cleaning the prefilters. The air purges itself when the HP pump turns on. If you are showing a reading zero on the low pressure gauge before the HP pump kicks on, then after the HP pump kicks on, you have a pressure reading, you have the same symptoms I had.

What I did to stop adding air when I changed or cleaned filters was:
After placing the new/clean filter in the filter tube, fill the tube as much as possible with fresh water, then loosely screw the filter tube back in place...before tightening the tube turn on the RINSE valve which sends fresh water through the prefilters, at the same time tightening up the tube...the Rinse water should replace the air before you tighten the tube. This works for me, but I am not sure you have the same cause, and I am not sure if you plumbed a RINSE valve when you installed your 160l water maker.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Bill, I had to pickle the watermaker over the winter. I was told by Great Water to use potable antifreeze , which I did. Since it is not corrosive I assume it would do no harm to leave it pickled for a long period. I depickled mine and have been rinsing it since spring every few weeks. I am glad you posted the temps again , I want to compare it with what my pump temps are. How do you purge the air from the system ?   Thanks, Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 8:48 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

 
Pat , Let me try a reply again. Two of us that i know of have had parts damaged by the pickling solution. Myself and Gary Silver. I discussed this with Dessalator and they said rinsing with fresh unchlorinated water is best, unless this is impossible and you are going to leave it closed for more than 4 to 6 months. Regarding the LP pressure gauge, for years, I had the exact symptoms after changing pre-filters. I found that any air left in the filter housings will cause this issue. If the LP indicator shows pressure after the HP pump starts, I think it could be air in the closed system. I have been measuring the temperature of the LP and HP pumps as well as the HP pump motor...all after 1 hour of making water are: HP MOTOR 103C HP PUMP 72C LP PUMP MOTOR 53C I do not know if these are within tolerances, but it is what I have measured every time for the past 50 hours. I have the spreadsheet if you want it. Hope this helps Bill BeBe 387



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill , I did plumb a rinse valve with fresh water coming from my tank , but I have it going to the LP pump, I suppose I should have introduced the fresh water at the filters , that way they get rinsed as well. I guess I should re-do it. Thanks , Pat
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Sep 20, 2014 8:40 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

 
Pat,

I was getting air in the system when changing or cleaning the prefilters. The air purges itself when the HP pump turns on. If you are showing a reading zero on the low pressure gauge before the HP pump kicks on, then after the HP pump kicks on, you have a pressure reading, you have the same symptoms I had.

What I did to stop adding air when I changed or cleaned filters was:
After placing the new/clean filter in the filter tube, fill the tube as much as possible with fresh water, then loosely screw the filter tube back in place...before tightening the tube turn on the RINSE valve which sends fresh water through the prefilters, at the same time tightening up the tube...the Rinse water should replace the air before you tighten the tube. This works for me, but I am not sure you have the same cause, and I am not sure if you plumbed a RINSE valve when you installed your 160l water maker.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Bill, I had to pickle the watermaker over the winter. I was told by Great Water to use potable antifreeze , which I did. Since it is not corrosive I assume it would do no harm to leave it pickled for a long period. I depickled mine and have been rinsing it since spring every few weeks. I am glad you posted the temps again , I want to compare it with what my pump temps are. How do you purge the air from the system ?   Thanks, Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 8:48 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

 
Pat , Let me try a reply again. Two of us that i know of have had parts damaged by the pickling solution. Myself and Gary Silver. I discussed this with Dessalator and they said rinsing with fresh unchlorinated water is best, unless this is impossible and you are going to leave it closed for more than 4 to 6 months. Regarding the LP pressure gauge, for years, I had the exact symptoms after changing pre-filters. I found that any air left in the filter housings will cause this issue. If the LP indicator shows pressure after the HP pump starts, I think it could be air in the closed system. I have been measuring the temperature of the LP and HP pumps as well as the HP pump motor...all after 1 hour of making water are: HP MOTOR 103C HP PUMP 72C LP PUMP MOTOR 53C I do not know if these are within tolerances, but it is what I have measured every time for the past 50 hours. I have the spreadsheet if you want it. Hope this helps Bill BeBe 387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Pat,

I was getting air in the system when changing or cleaning the prefilters. The air purges itself when the HP pump turns on. If you are showing a reading zero on the low pressure gauge before the HP pump kicks on, then after the HP pump kicks on, you have a pressure reading, you have the same symptoms I had.

What I did to stop adding air when I changed or cleaned filters was:
After placing the new/clean filter in the filter tube, fill the tube as much as possible with fresh water, then loosely screw the filter tube back in place...before tightening the tube turn on the RINSE valve which sends fresh water through the prefilters, at the same time tightening up the tube...the Rinse water should replace the air before you tighten the tube. This works for me, but I am not sure you have the same cause, and I am not sure if you plumbed a RINSE valve when you installed your 160l water maker.

Bill
BeBe 387



On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill, I had to pickle the watermaker over the winter. I was told by Great Water to use potable antifreeze , which I did. Since it is not corrosive I assume it would do no harm to leave it pickled for a long period. I depickled mine and have been rinsing it since spring every few weeks. I am glad you posted the temps again , I want to compare it with what my pump temps are. How do you purge the air from the system ?   Thanks, Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 8:48 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

 
Pat , Let me try a reply again. Two of us that i know of have had parts damaged by the pickling solution. Myself and Gary Silver. I discussed this with Dessalator and they said rinsing with fresh unchlorinated water is best, unless this is impossible and you are going to leave it closed for more than 4 to 6 months. Regarding the LP pressure gauge, for years, I had the exact symptoms after changing pre-filters. I found that any air left in the filter housings will cause this issue. If the LP indicator shows pressure after the HP pump starts, I think it could be air in the closed system. I have been measuring the temperature of the LP and HP pumps as well as the HP pump motor...all after 1 hour of making water are: HP MOTOR 103C HP PUMP 72C LP PUMP MOTOR 53C I do not know if these are within tolerances, but it is what I have measured every time for the past 50 hours. I have the spreadsheet if you want it. Hope this helps Bill BeBe 387



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

Patrick McAneny
 

Richard, I have not missed a show in thirty years, have always sailed down for a few days, but I am so busy with work and getting the boat ready that I do not know if I can take a day off to drive down for the show. If we do, we will look you up. Leaving for work right now. Pat
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Sep 20, 2014 8:16 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

 
Pat lets get together at Annapolis show I'll be around Sat and Sun by the Amel 55. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Sep 20, 2014, at 7:40, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Ric, I do not get sea sick myself, I have sailed to the Caribbean before all around there for months and other offshore trips and never have been sick. I have crew and want to have something to offer them to prevent them from getting sick, I do not need that.  Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: 'amelyachtowners@...' <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 10:12 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

 
Pat, I use meclizine. This is the same as the over the counter products line Bonine, except you can buy 50 tablets for under $10.00. I take ½ tablet every 12 hours, the first tablet 3-4 hours before. Some folks use the patch of scopolamine transdermal patch.. I would try out before going offshore.  If this is your first passage, I strongly recommend extra crew. Many hands make work easier. Go to Hank Schmidt of Offshore Passage Opportunities. Definitely bring good BBQ with cover. Never had a problem keeping lite. I have also added a connection from my propane tank to eliminate little bottles. Keeps the heat out of the cabin as a bonus.
Cheers,
Ric
SN24 Bali Hai
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 8:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions
 
 
We are preparing to sail down to the Caribbean next month for the winter and want to ask a couple questions . We are debating about taking along our propane grill , its hard to keep lit in all but calm conditions , we like to grill , but do not want to haul it down if we can not use it , I do not want to deal with charcoal. Has anyone a suggestion or success grilling in windy conditions. Second , what is an effective seasickness medication ?  Thanks, Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: propeller shaft lubrication OLD Maramu 1989 #261

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi my good waterproof grease preferably a wheel bearing in Grease or something of that variety from any good automotive store will do just fine

Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:25, "rossny@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all. The oil in the reservoir is full but the greese is now empty. I have been giving it one turn every ten hours of motoring as well as one monthly. Do I just use waterproof trailer greese that is sold in west marine? Or is this a special type and how often do you turn the screw on your boats? Thank you very much for all your help. Ross


Re: propeller shaft lubrication OLD Maramu 1989 #261

rossny@mail.com
 

Hi all. The oil in the reservoir is full but the greese is now empty. I have been giving it one turn every ten hours of motoring as well as one monthly. Do I just use waterproof trailer greese that is sold in west marine? Or is this a special type and how often do you turn the screw on your boats? Thank you very much for all your help. Ross


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Pat lets get together at Annapolis show I'll be around Sat and Sun by the Amel 55. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Sep 20, 2014, at 7:40, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ric, I do not get sea sick myself, I have sailed to the Caribbean before all around there for months and other offshore trips and never have been sick. I have crew and want to have something to offer them to prevent them from getting sick, I do not need that.  Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: 'amelyachtowners@...' <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 10:12 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

 
Pat, I use meclizine. This is the same as the over the counter products line Bonine, except you can buy 50 tablets for under $10.00. I take ½ tablet every 12 hours, the first tablet 3-4 hours before. Some folks use the patch of scopolamine transdermal patch.. I would try out before going offshore.  If this is your first passage, I strongly recommend extra crew. Many hands make work easier. Go to Hank Schmidt of Offshore Passage Opportunities. Definitely bring good BBQ with cover. Never had a problem keeping lite. I have also added a connection from my propane tank to eliminate little bottles. Keeps the heat out of the cabin as a bonus.
Cheers,
Ric
SN24 Bali Hai
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 8:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions
 
 
We are preparing to sail down to the Caribbean next month for the winter and want to ask a couple questions . We are debating about taking along our propane grill , its hard to keep lit in all but calm conditions , we like to grill , but do not want to haul it down if we can not use it , I do not want to deal with charcoal. Has anyone a suggestion or success grilling in windy conditions. Second , what is an effective seasickness medication ?  Thanks, Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

Patrick McAneny
 

I was at Home Depot yesterday and found a pleated filter 30 micron and a charcoal filter that was rated 5 micron. I use the charcoal here in my house , I have well water, and my water flow is fine. Pat
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 2:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

 
Pat,
Just take a look at the filters. The primary one is a sediment filter is looks like string wrapped around and around.
the other is a finer looking filter I do not know how many microns but is quite effective. there are some super triple duty filters I would not use at home depot as I feel they are too slow to pass enough water.
ERic
sm378 Kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:02 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies
To: amelyachtowners@...

>
> Eric, I was wondering that as well, they look the same as what I
> use in my house. The only thing is ,one is supposed to be 25
> micron and one 5 micron. I have never noticed a micron level on
> the filters I buy for my house. I wonder if with two filters how
> important it would be. They would be a lot cheaper. Pat SM 123
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
> To: amelyachtowners 
> Sent: Thu, Sep 18, 2014 11:12 pm
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Doesn't a set of filters from home depot work as well?
> Eric
> sm 376 Kimberlite
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "derickgates@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:02 pm
> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies
> To: amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Pat,
> >
> > In the past I have purchased from Filters Fast at
> > http://www.filtersfast.com/ http://www.filtersfast.com/
> >
> > as well as from http://www.waterfiltersonline.com
> > http://www.waterfiltersonline.com
> > There is also http://www.Great-water.com http://www.Great-
> > water.com who I believe are the Dessalator rep in the U.S.
> >
> > Prices vary - much cheaper by the case.
> >
> > Hope these help.
> >
> > Derick Gates
> >
> > SM2K #400 Brava
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric, Probably land in the BVI, hang there a couple weeks and then over to St. Martin to buy a new AB aluminum dinghy, cheaper down there than here. From there everywhere down to Grenada and back to the Chesapeake in April. Thinking about coming back up through the Bahamas and have been thinking of asking the group's opinion whether there is enough water depth or do you have to be on your toes every minute worried you will run aground.  Pat
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 2:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

 
Hi Pat,
Where are you heading in the Caribbean?
Eric
Sm376 Kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:28 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Hey hey hey!
>
> Thats the spirit!
>
> Good weekend to Judy and you. Refit going along fine. Had to
> stop Riza from doing Coppercoat so soon and let the hull become
> "super" dry before he lathers it on... too costly to goof up.
>
> :-)
>
>
> Jean-Pierre Germain
> SY Eleuthera SM 007
>
>
> On 19 Sep 2014, at 16:17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse'
> yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Jean-Pierre, you and Alex have 4 things in common...the two
> you mentioned and:
> > Amel yachts
> > You are both good friends of mine
> > Bill
> > BeBe 387
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre
> jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Alexander,
> >
> >
> > We have 2 things in common: BBQ's and Aerobatic flying...
> decades ago in the military.
> >
> > Still use the BBQ but my passengers might not approve of my
> aerobatic skills... so I try to avoid them.
> >
> > Some nasty people say I can never really avoid aerobatics... :-
> ) They are just nasty as I know I'm talented!
> >
> >
> > :-)
> >
> >
> > Jean-Pierre Germain
> > SY Eleuthera, SM 007
> >
> >
> > On 19 Sep 2014, at 14:57, Alexandre Uster von Baar
> uster@... [amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Good morning Jean Pierre,
> >>
> >> I have the Magma Catalina Infra Red.
> >> They recommend to attach with 2 supports, I used 3 (I can
> send you pictures if you wish).
> >>
> >> I purchased a 10 lbs propane tank and regulator especially
> for it which I attached outside.
> >> I also have a bag (attached on the rail) with several 1 lb
> propane) in case the 10 lbs tank goes empty.
> >> I put a few more 1 lbs tank into the propane compartment.
> >>
> >> I purchased it as I did not want to use the oven inside the
> galley and create more heat in an already hot climate.
> >> All together I thought it was quite expensive, but I am happy
> of my purchased.
> >>
> >> In my case (could be particular to the Infra Red version only
> - don't know) if windy, then it doesn't stay warm, so I have to
> block some of the air intake...
> >> I don't know if Mark has the Infra Red or the other one.
> >>
> >> Just as a side line. I flew aerobatic for 14 years, when I
> took passengers I made sure they ate (bread, bananas, etc.) on
> the way to the aiport.
> >> Empty stomach will increase sea sickness. So make sure you
> have a full stomach. Liquid will be bouncing arround and not
> good.
> >> I have never been see sick, but one day during my 106 class,
> the waves were getting bigger and the other 2 student got sea
> sick and I felt I was next.
> >> So I went down and make myself a couple of sandwiches and I
> was fine.
> >> If bad weather is expected I take Dramonime as prevention.
> >>
> >> Let me know if you want pictures of the Grill set-up.
> >>
> >> Sincerely, Alexandre
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> On Fri, 9/19/14, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@...
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions
> >> To: amelyachtowners@...
> >> Date: Friday, September 19, 2014, 8:08 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Pat, We have a propane
> >> Magma Grill and have used it (when anchored) in 20 knot
> >> winds. We love it. We have had no problem keeping it
> >> lit. We both get seasick
> >> and have found the best medication, with no side effects for
> >> us, is Stugeron. Outside of the USA it is sold over the
> >> counter. In the UK, it is commonly used to treat nausea for
> >> pregnant women. My point being, it is quite safe to
> >> take. I use it sparingly.
> >> I usually take some when I know we are going to get a blow
> >> and due to it not having side effects, I have my wits about
> >> me.Many sailors while
> >> in the USA will order it from Canada. It is very
> >> inexpensive.
> http://www.canadadrugs.com/products/stugeron/15mg Hope this
> >> helps, Best
> >> regards, Mark SM2K
> >> #275www.creampuff.us
> >> From: amelyachtowners@...
> >> [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
> >> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 8:58
> >> AM
> >> To:
> >> amelyachtowners@...
> >> Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple
> >> questions We are preparing to sail down
> >> to the Caribbean next month for the winter and want to ask a
> >> couple questions . We are debating about taking along our
> >> propane grill , its hard to keep lit in all but calm
> >> conditions , we like to grill , but do not want to haul it
> >> down if we can not use it , I do not want to deal with
> >> charcoal. Has anyone a suggestion or success grilling in
> >> windy conditions. Second , what is an effective seasickness
> >> medication ? Thanks, Pat SM#123
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

Patrick McAneny
 

Ric, I do not get sea sick myself, I have sailed to the Caribbean before all around there for months and other offshore trips and never have been sick. I have crew and want to have something to offer them to prevent them from getting sick, I do not need that.  Pat
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners]
To: 'amelyachtowners@...'
Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 10:12 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

 
Pat, I use meclizine. This is the same as the over the counter products line Bonine, except you can buy 50 tablets for under $10.00. I take ½ tablet every 12 hours, the first tablet 3-4 hours before. Some folks use the patch of scopolamine transdermal patch.. I would try out before going offshore.  If this is your first passage, I strongly recommend extra crew. Many hands make work easier. Go to Hank Schmidt of Offshore Passage Opportunities. Definitely bring good BBQ with cover. Never had a problem keeping lite. I have also added a connection from my propane tank to eliminate little bottles. Keeps the heat out of the cabin as a bonus.
Cheers,
Ric
SN24 Bali Hai
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 8:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions
 
 
We are preparing to sail down to the Caribbean next month for the winter and want to ask a couple questions . We are debating about taking along our propane grill , its hard to keep lit in all but calm conditions , we like to grill , but do not want to haul it down if we can not use it , I do not want to deal with charcoal. Has anyone a suggestion or success grilling in windy conditions. Second , what is an effective seasickness medication ?  Thanks, Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I had to pickle the watermaker over the winter. I was told by Great Water to use potable antifreeze , which I did. Since it is not corrosive I assume it would do no harm to leave it pickled for a long period. I depickled mine and have been rinsing it since spring every few weeks. I am glad you posted the temps again , I want to compare it with what my pump temps are. How do you purge the air from the system ?   Thanks, Pat
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 8:48 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

 
Pat , Let me try a reply again. Two of us that i know of have had parts damaged by the pickling solution. Myself and Gary Silver. I discussed this with Dessalator and they said rinsing with fresh unchlorinated water is best, unless this is impossible and you are going to leave it closed for more than 4 to 6 months. Regarding the LP pressure gauge, for years, I had the exact symptoms after changing pre-filters. I found that any air left in the filter housings will cause this issue. If the LP indicator shows pressure after the HP pump starts, I think it could be air in the closed system. I have been measuring the temperature of the LP and HP pumps as well as the HP pump motor...all after 1 hour of making water are: HP MOTOR 103C HP PUMP 72C LP PUMP MOTOR 53C I do not know if these are within tolerances, but it is what I have measured every time for the past 50 hours. I have the spreadsheet if you want it. Hope this helps Bill BeBe 387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Second Holding Tank Failure

sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Derek,

This link is for the Santorin

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 4:30 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Second Holding Tank Failure

 

 

Eric, the photo Ian posted in the Photos section is in the Crusader album.  The link is:

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/search/photos?query=holding#zax/albums_2001251917

 Hope the link works.

 

Derick

SM2K#400 Brava


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

kimberlite@...
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

kimberlite@...
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

karkauai
 

Hi Pat. I had the same problem with an old magnum grill. I bought a Hamilton Grill that does fine in anything except the strongest winds. 
Kent
SM243 
Kristy


On Sep 19, 2014, at 8:58 AM, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We are preparing to sail down to the Caribbean next month for the winter and want to ask a couple questions . We are debating about taking along our propane grill , its hard to keep lit in all but calm conditions , we like to grill , but do not want to haul it down if we can not use it , I do not want to deal with charcoal. Has anyone a suggestion or success grilling in windy conditions. Second , what is an effective seasickness medication ?  Thanks, Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hey hey hey!

Thats the spirit!

Good weekend to Judy and you.  Refit going along fine.  Had to stop Riza from doing Coppercoat so soon and let the hull become "super" dry before he lathers it on... too costly to goof up.

:-)


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM 007


On 19 Sep 2014, at 16:17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Jean-Pierre, you and Alex have 4 things in common...the two you mentioned and:
  • Amel yachts
  • You are both good friends of mine
Bill
BeBe 387



On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Alexander,


We have 2 things in common: BBQ's and Aerobatic flying... decades ago in the military.

Still use the BBQ but my passengers might not approve of my aerobatic skills... so I try to avoid them.

Some nasty people say I can never really avoid aerobatics... :-) They are just nasty as I know I'm talented!


:-)


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 19 Sep 2014, at 14:57, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning Jean Pierre,

I have the Magma Catalina Infra Red.
They recommend to attach with 2 supports, I used 3 (I can send you pictures if you wish).

I purchased a 10 lbs propane tank and regulator especially for it which I attached outside.
I also have a bag (attached on the rail) with several 1 lb propane) in case the 10 lbs tank goes empty.
I put a few more 1 lbs tank into the propane compartment.

I purchased it as I did not want to use the oven inside the galley and create more heat in an already hot climate.
All together I thought it was quite expensive, but I am happy of my purchased.

In my case (could be particular to the Infra Red version only - don't know) if windy, then it doesn't stay warm, so I have to block some of the air intake...
I don't know if Mark has the Infra Red or the other one.

Just as a side line. I flew aerobatic for 14 years, when I took passengers I made sure they ate (bread, bananas, etc.) on the way to the aiport.
Empty stomach will increase sea sickness. So make sure you have a full stomach. Liquid will be bouncing arround and not good.
I have never been see sick, but one day during my 106 class, the waves were getting bigger and the other 2 student got sea sick and I felt I was next.
So I went down and make myself a couple of sandwiches and I was fine.
If bad weather is expected I take Dramonime as prevention.

Let me know if you want pictures of the Grill set-up.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 9/19/14, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, September 19, 2014, 8:08 AM


 









Pat,  We have a propane
Magma Grill and have used it (when anchored) in 20 knot
winds. We love it. We have had no problem keeping it
lit.  We both get seasick
and have found the best medication, with no side effects for
us, is Stugeron. Outside of the USA it is sold over the
counter. In the UK, it is commonly used to treat nausea for
pregnant women. My point being, it is quite safe to
take.  I use it sparingly.
I usually take some when I know we are going to get a blow
and due to it not having side effects, I have my wits about
me.Many sailors while
in the USA will order it from Canada. It is very
inexpensive.  http://www.canadadrugs.com/products/stugeron/15mg    Hope this
helps,    Best
regards,  Mark  SM2K
#275www.creampuff.us    
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 8:58
AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple
questions    We are preparing to sail down
to the Caribbean next month for the winter and want to ask a
couple questions . We are debating about taking along our
propane grill , its hard to keep lit in all but calm
conditions , we like to grill , but do not want to haul it
down if we can not use it , I do not want to deal with
charcoal. Has anyone a suggestion or success grilling in
windy conditions. Second , what is an effective seasickness
medication ?  Thanks, Pat SM#123









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jean-Pierre, you and Alex have 4 things in common...the two you mentioned and:
  • Amel yachts
  • You are both good friends of mine
Bill
BeBe 387



On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Alexander,


We have 2 things in common: BBQ's and Aerobatic flying... decades ago in the military.

Still use the BBQ but my passengers might not approve of my aerobatic skills... so I try to avoid them.

Some nasty people say I can never really avoid aerobatics... :-) They are just nasty as I know I'm talented!


:-)


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 19 Sep 2014, at 14:57, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning Jean Pierre,

I have the Magma Catalina Infra Red.
They recommend to attach with 2 supports, I used 3 (I can send you pictures if you wish).

I purchased a 10 lbs propane tank and regulator especially for it which I attached outside.
I also have a bag (attached on the rail) with several 1 lb propane) in case the 10 lbs tank goes empty.
I put a few more 1 lbs tank into the propane compartment.

I purchased it as I did not want to use the oven inside the galley and create more heat in an already hot climate.
All together I thought it was quite expensive, but I am happy of my purchased.

In my case (could be particular to the Infra Red version only - don't know) if windy, then it doesn't stay warm, so I have to block some of the air intake...
I don't know if Mark has the Infra Red or the other one.

Just as a side line. I flew aerobatic for 14 years, when I took passengers I made sure they ate (bread, bananas, etc.) on the way to the aiport.
Empty stomach will increase sea sickness. So make sure you have a full stomach. Liquid will be bouncing arround and not good.
I have never been see sick, but one day during my 106 class, the waves were getting bigger and the other 2 student got sea sick and I felt I was next.
So I went down and make myself a couple of sandwiches and I was fine.
If bad weather is expected I take Dramonime as prevention.

Let me know if you want pictures of the Grill set-up.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 9/19/14, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, September 19, 2014, 8:08 AM


 









Pat,  We have a propane
Magma Grill and have used it (when anchored) in 20 knot
winds. We love it. We have had no problem keeping it
lit.  We both get seasick
and have found the best medication, with no side effects for
us, is Stugeron. Outside of the USA it is sold over the
counter. In the UK, it is commonly used to treat nausea for
pregnant women. My point being, it is quite safe to
take.  I use it sparingly.
I usually take some when I know we are going to get a blow
and due to it not having side effects, I have my wits about
me.Many sailors while
in the USA will order it from Canada. It is very
inexpensive.  http://www.canadadrugs.com/products/stugeron/15mg    Hope this
helps,    Best
regards,  Mark  SM2K
#275www.creampuff.us    
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 8:58
AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple
questions    We are preparing to sail down
to the Caribbean next month for the winter and want to ask a
couple questions . We are debating about taking along our
propane grill , its hard to keep lit in all but calm
conditions , we like to grill , but do not want to haul it
down if we can not use it , I do not want to deal with
charcoal. Has anyone a suggestion or success grilling in
windy conditions. Second , what is an effective seasickness
medication ?  Thanks, Pat SM#123









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+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Alexander,

We have 2 things in common: BBQ's and Aerobatic flying... decades ago in the military.

Still use the BBQ but my passengers might not approve of my aerobatic skills... so I try to avoid them.

Some nasty people say I can never really avoid aerobatics... :-) They are just nasty as I know I'm talented!


:-)


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007


On 19 Sep 2014, at 14:57, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning Jean Pierre,

I have the Magma Catalina Infra Red.
They recommend to attach with 2 supports, I used 3 (I can send you pictures if you wish).

I purchased a 10 lbs propane tank and regulator especially for it which I attached outside.
I also have a bag (attached on the rail) with several 1 lb propane) in case the 10 lbs tank goes empty.
I put a few more 1 lbs tank into the propane compartment.

I purchased it as I did not want to use the oven inside the galley and create more heat in an already hot climate.
All together I thought it was quite expensive, but I am happy of my purchased.

In my case (could be particular to the Infra Red version only - don't know) if windy, then it doesn't stay warm, so I have to block some of the air intake...
I don't know if Mark has the Infra Red or the other one.

Just as a side line. I flew aerobatic for 14 years, when I took passengers I made sure they ate (bread, bananas, etc.) on the way to the aiport.
Empty stomach will increase sea sickness. So make sure you have a full stomach. Liquid will be bouncing arround and not good.
I have never been see sick, but one day during my 106 class, the waves were getting bigger and the other 2 student got sea sick and I felt I was next.
So I went down and make myself a couple of sandwiches and I was fine.
If bad weather is expected I take Dramonime as prevention.

Let me know if you want pictures of the Grill set-up.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Fri, 9/19/14, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple questions
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, September 19, 2014, 8:08 AM


 









Pat,  We have a propane
Magma Grill and have used it (when anchored) in 20 knot
winds. We love it. We have had no problem keeping it
lit.  We both get seasick
and have found the best medication, with no side effects for
us, is Stugeron. Outside of the USA it is sold over the
counter. In the UK, it is commonly used to treat nausea for
pregnant women. My point being, it is quite safe to
take.  I use it sparingly.
I usually take some when I know we are going to get a blow
and due to it not having side effects, I have my wits about
me.Many sailors while
in the USA will order it from Canada. It is very
inexpensive.  http://www.canadadrugs.com/products/stugeron/15mg    Hope this
helps,    Best
regards,  Mark  SM2K
#275www.creampuff.us    
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 8:58
AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] A couple
questions    We are preparing to sail down
to the Caribbean next month for the winter and want to ask a
couple questions . We are debating about taking along our
propane grill , its hard to keep lit in all but calm
conditions , we like to grill , but do not want to haul it
down if we can not use it , I do not want to deal with
charcoal. Has anyone a suggestion or success grilling in
windy conditions. Second , what is an effective seasickness
medication ?  Thanks, Pat SM#123









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+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Pat we use one charcoal filter before the fresh water pump. 
There is a NON Charcoal filter in the saltwater intake. When we flush that filter get flushed too to keep it from growing stuff". 
It's a very easy system. 
The water maker flush sys is manual. 

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Sep 19, 2014, at 7:57, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Richard, Do you use one charcoal and one regular ? Do you worry about the microns , my filter housing has 25 and 5 written on them ? Pat
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 7:30 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

 
Pat we have used a Culligan charcoal Filters in line before the pump to keep anything from getting to the pump. Give clean good tasting water. and no chlorine so we can back flush the water maker without issues. Buy them
at most any hardware store.  

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
Capt Richard 
RP Yacht Brokerage
Newport RI 
We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767 5330

On Sep 19, 2014, at 7:01, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Eric, I was wondering that as well, they look the same as what I use in my house. The only thing is ,one is supposed to be 25 micron and one 5 micron. I have never noticed a micron level on the filters I buy for my house. I wonder if with two filters how important it would be. They would be a lot cheaper.  Pat SM 123
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Sep 18, 2014 11:12 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies

 
Doesn't a set of filters from home depot work as well?
Eric
sm 376 Kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: "derickgates@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:02 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Watermaker supplies
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Pat,
>
> In the past I have purchased from Filters Fast at
> http://www.filtersfast.com/ http://www.filtersfast.com/
>
> as well as from http://www.waterfiltersonline.com
> http://www.waterfiltersonline.com
> There is also http://www.Great-water.com http://www.Great-
> water.com who I believe are the Dessalator rep in the U.S.
>
> Prices vary - much cheaper by the case.
>
> Hope these help.
>
> Derick Gates
>
> SM2K #400 Brava
>
>
>
>