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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ullman Sails

Rink De Haan

Hi Eric,

There is a Ullman Sails representative in Kusadasi. I believe they are made in Izmir.

I have a complete set of Ullman sails on my SM2K. To me they were a good replacement to the old original sails. The sails are made of Contender sailcloth which is produced by a Dutch company and worldwide delivered.

The sails I have are not of the tri-radial type.

I just replaced the mizzen sail for €1275. I have to admit that I did not do any in depth research on alternatives.

Rink

SM2K Razor's Edge

Hull #330

2014-11-20 7:49 GMT+01:00 sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

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Does anyone have experience with Ullman Sails?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ullman Sails

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

#18910

Eric,

I do not, but I do have experience with a very large Turkish loft that is currently the worrldwide loft for one name brand and makes sails independently.

Qsails is the independent brand. It is owned by Tashin OGE. Email is qsails at qsails dot com. He has all three of BeBe's original Deme Sails in his loft.
He produced hydranet in a triradial cut for BeBe, but can also use dacron, or any other non proprietary cloth. He ships world wide. I found his quality very high and his prices very competitive.

Also, you should probably talk with Amel owner Dave Benjamin, owner of Planet sails.

Good luck, I am sorry that I have no comments about Ulman.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
sent from my tablet

On Nov 20, 2014 8:49 AM, "sailormon kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

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Does anyone have experience with Ullman Sails?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite SM 376

Ullman Sails

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#18909

Does anyone have experience with Ullman Sails?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

rossienio@...

#18908

Thank you all. I'll buy a laser meter (?) to measure the distance between the top of the mast in the 4 sites. But as seen in the pictures, the mast is curved back us to the upper spreaders. But I saw that mine is not the only mast-amel with this reverse bend. I'd like to know wath can be the cause of this.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>

#18907

Hi all, the Amel SM is designed with a high tension deck stepped mast the mast to be most effective it needs to stay in column at very high tension. There should be not slack on the lee side going to windward. No bend. The stays need to ring when tapped with a wooden hammer handle.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All

Capt Richard

RP Yacht Brokerage

Newport RI

We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's

Cell 603 767 5330

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On Nov 19, 2014, at 03:14, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

If the mast is too far back (rake or bend > 0) high spreaders PULL AFT the mast resulting in reverse bend. So the mast should be perfectly centered between the lands af the shrouds to keep in column. This told me a mast designar (non Amel??!!). What do you think?

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

rossienio@...

#18906

If the mast is too far back (rake or bend > 0) high spreaders PULL AFT the mast resulting in reverse bend. So the mast should be perfectly centered between the lands af the shrouds to keep in column. This told me a mast designar (non Amel??!!). What do you think?

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS

#18905

I asked a rigger who has a lot of experience tuning rigs and he said for the SM get the mast base sitting flat on its step. To do otherwise creates distortional tensions.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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On Wed, 19/11/14, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile
 To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
 Received: Wednesday, 19 November, 2014, 10:42 AM

       Are the easy way to check is to go to Home
 Depot get a cheap laser and shoot a laser to the top of the
 mast on all four sides and see what the angles are. Make
 adjustments from there. 

 Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All
 Capt
 Richard RP Yacht
 BrokerageNewport
 RI We list sell and service fine
 yachts including Amel's
 Cell 603 767
 5330
 On Nov 18,
 2014, at 16:33, Kent Robertson karkauai@...
 [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
 wrote:

       I'm
 thinking that the critical measure is starbord and port. 
 If the waterline were drawn for the way the boat sits in the
 water, you wouldn't have a second thought.  The boat
 will be rocking fore and aft more than the degree or two it
 is aft-heavy. If it were a racing boat, I'd probably
 drop a plumb-bob from the top of the mast and make it
 perpendicular to the water.  A long-ish bubble level and
 good eye would accomplish the same thing.
 OK you old salts...tell me
 why I'm wrong.
 KentSM243Kristy

         From: "rossienio@...
 [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
  To: amelyachtowners@...

  Sent: Tuesday, November
 18, 2014 11:29 AM
  Subject: RE: [Amel
 Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

       I do not
 mean to speak of the aesthetics of the water line, My
 problem is to put the main mast perpendicular to the plane
 of the boat to be able to make adjustment on a rigging from
 rake = 0.. But how can I do this if the boat is tilted
 forwards the stern and I do not know how many
 degrees?????

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>

#18904

Are the easy way to check is to go to Home Depot get a cheap laser and shoot a laser to the top of the mast on all four sides and see what the angles are. Make adjustments from there.

Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To All

Capt Richard

RP Yacht Brokerage

Newport RI

We list sell and service fine yachts including Amel's

Cell 603 767 5330

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On Nov 18, 2014, at 16:33, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I'm thinking that the critical measure is starbord and port. If the waterline were drawn for the way the boat sits in the water, you wouldn't have a second thought. The boat will be rocking fore and aft more than the degree or two it is aft-heavy. If it were a racing boat, I'd probably drop a plumb-bob from the top of the mast and make it perpendicular to the water. A long-ish bubble level and good eye would accomplish the same thing.

OK you old salts...tell me why I'm wrong.

Kent
SM243
Kristy

From: "rossienio@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

I do not mean to speak of the aesthetics of the water line, My problem is to put the main mast perpendicular to the plane of the boat to be able to make adjustment on a rigging from rake = 0.. But how can I do this if the boat is tilted forwards the stern and I do not know how many degrees?????

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

karkauai

#18903

I'm thinking that the critical measure is starbord and port. If the waterline were drawn for the way the boat sits in the water, you wouldn't have a second thought. The boat will be rocking fore and aft more than the degree or two it is aft-heavy. If it were a racing boat, I'd probably drop a plumb-bob from the top of the mast and make it perpendicular to the water. A long-ish bubble level and good eye would accomplish the same thing.

OK you old salts...tell me why I'm wrong.

Kent

SM243

Kristy

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From: "rossienio@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

I do not mean to speak of the aesthetics of the water line, My problem is to put the main mast perpendicular to the plane of the boat to be able to make adjustment on a rigging from rake = 0.. But how can I do this if the boat is tilted forwards the stern and I do not know how many degrees?????

Heavy weather sailing

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#18902

We sailed in force 12 conditions for 36 hours and did not redistribute anything on Kimberlite---if you are interested here is a link to an article about us—

http://www.oceannavigator.com/March-April-2011/Prepare-for-survival-conditions/

Please follow the link to the helicopter rescue video of another boat.

http://lifefloatingby.blogspot.com/2008/10/coast-guard-rescues-2-mt-pleasant.html

The beginning of the video is taken at night later in the daylight they went back

To recover the body of the captain of the boat. You can see the helicopter hovering 100 feet above the waves and near the end of the video, the helicopter almost goes into a 100 foot wave.

Here is another interesting link to the storm

http://www.yachtpals.com/node/2958

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:48 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Hi

If your yacht is a ketch and the mizzen is straight why not check the angle of mast to deck of the mizzen. This will give you a good guide to the angle for the main. My Santorin seems to have masts in parallel.

As for those concerned with weight distribution I have encountered no problems at all in seaworthiness. I have a 3 degree inclination to port, and a distinct stern down aspect. I sail with 2 bikes, the dinghy, 6 gas bottles and all the fenders in the lazarette. We've sailed on all points in sizeable swell and up to f9 with no concern about the boat's capability. I will be pleased to hear from others who have sailed in really heavy weather about the requirement to re- distribute the weight..

Good luck with rigging.

Ian. V. Happy Amel Santorin owner. 'Ocean Hobo'

On 18 Nov 2014, at 16:29, "rossienio@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I do not mean to speak of the aesthetics of the water line, My problem is to put the main mast perpendicular to the plane of the boat to be able to make adjustment on a rigging from rake = 0.. But how can I do this if the boat is tilted forwards the stern and I do not know how many degrees?????

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Alexandre Uster von Baar

#18901

You will get "Lee Helm" versus "weather helm".
at first I balanced mine to be parallel to the water line, and I loved to have more "weather helm", but the top cavity where the bow thruster is located was at the water line... so had to rebalance...

And Alan from SV Elyse SM 437 made an excellent remark about the rudder shaft gland is now below the waterline...

It looks like an impossible compromise...

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Royal Palm Marina, Fort Lauderdale, USA.


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On Tue, 11/18/14, Andrew Lamb andrew.lamb@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile
 To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
 Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 9:27 AM

 What are the implications on the
 performance of the later Amels SM / SM2000  if the weight
 has been progressively added to the stern of the boat design
 and a
  rising bow through the range of models – has this been
 measured by Amel?
   
 Andrew
   
 Ronpische
 SM2k 472
 Canet en Roussillion,
 France
   
 From: amelyachtowners@...
 [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:09 PM

 To: amelyachtowners@...

 Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast
 profile

 Enio,

 Do what we did. We repainted the water line.

 With best regards,

 Mark

 Super Maramu 2000

 Hull #275

 www.creampuff.us

 From: amelyachtowners@...
 [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]

 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:37 AM

 To: amelyachtowners@...

 Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

 Good morning to all. In order to do what tells me Craig, I
 would, first of all, put the mast perpendicular to the boat,
 with rake = 0. I could check with the main halyard, but the
 boat is not level. The Santorin, at least mine, is tilted
 toward the stern. Carrying
  weight in the bow does not solve the problem. So what
 should I do? Thanks for your cooperation. Enio

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Re: winterize in water

Alan Leslie

#18900

Hi Bil,

No, my SSB and 12V sailor power supply are off when the main switches are off.

Cheers

Alan

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

sailormon <kimberlite@...>

#18899

We sailed in force 12 conditions for 36 hours and did not redistribute anything on Kimberlite---if you are interested here is a link to an article about us—

http://www.oceannavigator.com/March-April-2011/Prepare-for-survival-conditions/

Please follow the link to the helicopter rescue video of another boat.

http://lifefloatingby.blogspot.com/2008/10/coast-guard-rescues-2-mt-pleasant.html

The beginning of the video is taken at night later in the daylight they went back

To recover the body of the captain of the boat. You can see the helicopter hovering 100 feet above the waves and near the end of the video, the helicopter almost goes into a 100 foot wave.

Here is another interesting link to the storm

http://www.yachtpals.com/node/2958

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite SM 376

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:48 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Hi

If your yacht is a ketch and the mizzen is straight why not check the angle of mast to deck of the mizzen. This will give you a good guide to the angle for the main. My Santorin seems to have masts in parallel.

As for those concerned with weight distribution I have encountered no problems at all in seaworthiness. I have a 3 degree inclination to port, and a distinct stern down aspect. I sail with 2 bikes, the dinghy, 6 gas bottles and all the fenders in the lazarette. We've sailed on all points in sizeable swell and up to f9 with no concern about the boat's capability. I will be pleased to hear from others who have sailed in really heavy weather about the requirement to re- distribute the weight..

Good luck with rigging.

Ian. V. Happy Amel Santorin owner. 'Ocean Hobo'

On 18 Nov 2014, at 16:29, "rossienio@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I do not mean to speak of the aesthetics of the water line, My problem is to put the main mast perpendicular to the plane of the boat to be able to make adjustment on a rigging from rake = 0.. But how can I do this if the boat is tilted forwards the stern and I do not know how many degrees?????

Re: winterize in water

rossny@mail.com

#18898

Annsofie, Drew, Richard, Thank you all so much for your responses, hope I correctly drained and anti-freezed everything but will not know until spring...Thanks again.

Ross

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Ian Park

#18897

Hi

If your yacht is a ketch and the mizzen is straight why not check the angle of mast to deck of the mizzen. This will give you a good guide to the angle for the main. My Santorin seems to have masts in parallel.

As for those concerned with weight distribution I have encountered no problems at all in seaworthiness. I have a 3 degree inclination to port, and a distinct stern down aspect. I sail with 2 bikes, the dinghy, 6 gas bottles and all the fenders in the lazarette. We've sailed on all points in sizeable swell and up to f9 with no concern about the boat's capability. I will be pleased to hear from others who have sailed in really heavy weather about the requirement to re- distribute the weight..

Good luck with rigging.

Ian. V. Happy Amel Santorin owner. 'Ocean Hobo'

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On 18 Nov 2014, at 16:29, "rossienio@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I do not mean to speak of the aesthetics of the water line, My problem is to put the main mast perpendicular to the plane of the boat to be able to make adjustment on a rigging from rake = 0.. But how can I do this if the boat is tilted forwards the stern and I do not know how many degrees?????

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

rossienio@...

#18896

I do not mean to speak of the aesthetics of the water line, My problem is to put the main mast perpendicular to the plane of the boat to be able to make adjustment on a rigging from rake = 0.. But how can I do this if the boat is tilted forwards the stern and I do not know how many degrees?????

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Andrew & Kate Lamb

#18895

What are the implications on the performance of the later Amels SM / SM2000 if the weight has been progressively added to the stern of the boat design and a rising bow through the range of models – has this been measured by Amel?

Andrew

Ronpische

SM2k 472

Canet en Roussillion, France

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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:09 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Enio,

Do what we did. We repainted the water line.

With best regards,

Mark

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Good morning to all. In order to do what tells me Craig, I would, first of all, put the mast perpendicular to the boat, with rake = 0. I could check with the main halyard, but the boat is not level. The Santorin, at least mine, is tilted toward the stern. Carrying weight in the bow does not solve the problem. So what should I do? Thanks for your cooperation. Enio

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Mark Erdos

#18894

Enio,

Do what we did. We repainted the water line.

With best regards,

Mark

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:37 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Good morning to all. In order to do what tells me Craig, I would, first of all, put the mast perpendicular to the boat, with rake = 0. I could check with the main halyard, but the boat is not level. The Santorin, at least mine, is tilted toward the stern. Carrying weight in the bow does not solve the problem. So what should I do? Thanks for your cooperation. Enio

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Alan Leslie

#18893

Seems to me that Amel never changed the waterline, even though they changed the boat... a lot more weight aft of the centre.

I wouldn't try to weigh the bow down, that will just produce polar moments that will make the boat move up and down in a sea...

I would, and I think I will next time we paint, move the waterline up at the stern.

The only downside to all this, and is a problem I have , is that the rudder shaft gland is now below the waterline, so it has a propensity to leak water into the aft cabin, and if you try to replace the packing while still in the water, it floods !!

Cheers]

Alan

SV Elyse SM 437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main mast profile

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>

#18892

Hello Enio,

It seems all Amels up to the 54 had a slight stern down posture. I corrected most of mine by placing 2 large anchors forward and limiting heavy items from the aft lazarette.

It is one of the idiosyncrasies of our boats.

Good luck with the mast… I would think that your eye along the leading edge of the mast should give you a close to perfect line… at least the mast will be straight!

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain

Eleuthera SM007

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On 18 Nov 2014, at 08:37, rossienio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning to all. In order to do what tells me Craig, I would, first of all, put the mast perpendicular to the boat, with rake = 0. I could check with the main halyard, but the boat is not level. The Santorin, at least mine, is tilted toward the stern. Carrying weight in the bow does not solve the problem. So what should I do? Thanks for your cooperation. Enio