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Re: Qsails

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Unfortunately this has been happening to a number of Amel owners that I know of. We also had a very bad experience with Q Sails last year. If it wasn’t for Bill Rouse we would have had to go through Turkish claims court to get our money back which we were prepared to do.

Regards
Ross and Donna
SV Intrepid Kiwi 
SM2K 356
Currently in Turkey.


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On Friday, March 4, 2022, 1:57 PM, John via groups.io <thejluto@...> wrote:

Please note. I am one of Bill's clients.

I ordered a Main and Genoa  from Qsails in August 2021.  As of March 2022, I have been lied to and ignored repeatedly and still have not received the Genoa.

John on SV Justina, A54 #34

--
Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently in Turkey


Re: Qsails

 

I sent the owner of QSails an email and should be able to post his reply later today. I believe that about 20 orders are affected by this.

What I know:
Most sailmakers are unable to receive HydraNet including Incidence and QSails. And most of the information given them from the German company  Dimension Polyant (DP) has been unreliable. Regrettably some of the yarns are made in China and are victims of the worldwide supply chain issue.

I believe that QSails is trying to cope with this, trying to  give people what they ask for, and are failing because QSails is relying on information received from DP. Incidence handles things like this differently and if you read their terms, you'll see this. Incidence produces in 6 weeks when they have raw materials and accepts no responsibility for raw material delays. Both companies make excellent sails. QSails prices reflect much lower overhead and labor costs. QSails is usually about 20% less than Incidence.

I will post the QSails owner's response here  later today. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 08:31 Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
John,

I am sorry that you had such a bad experience.
To provide information from both sides, I had a different experience with Q-sails and received my Genoa within the time originally quoted.  They failed to answer my first e-mail, asking for the state of affairs, but soon after they came back and explained their delay.  Because I had paid  with a credit card they had requested 100% payment with the order, which made me very worried.  However,  they delivered a good product and I am extremely happy with the quality of the sail.

Where I had a problem was in Panama where customs was charging me import taxes, in spite that the boat was in transit.  Juanjo from Shelter marina help me resolve the issue but I ended up having to pay extra money to get the sail out of Customs.

Hope you get Q-sails to respond.


Jose Venegas
Ipanema  SM2K 278
Currently In San Andres Colombia.





Re: A tiny bit of good news on insurance.

Dan Carlson
 

To build on Bill's point, 

We have Jackline also and each year at renewal it is a conversation based on what we plan to do.  This year we asked about three different options for Hurricane season :
1) Chesapeake Bay, 2) Trinidad, 3) Antigua, 4) Curacao.

The Chesapeake and Trinidad were the same base rate, Antigua and Curicao each had a different additional cost.

They will also give us a discount when our boat is hauled out for more than four months in the Chesapeake Bay.

And of course all of these different costs are what make it so difficult to compare policies.

Best regards, Daniel and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe,  SM  #387



On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 5:40 PM Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
Insurance continues to be an on going issue for many.  I do have a bit of news, that for us was on the positive side.

We have used Markel's Jackline Policy, sold by the Gowrie Group in Annapolis, since the exit of Pantaneous USA from the market. It is expensive, but we have not found a lower cost policy that met our standards, and covered all of our needs.

One of the limitations of the Jackline policy was the southern edge of the Caribbean hurricane exclusion zone for the summer season was placed at 10º 50' North, just north of Trinidad.  We wanted to base our boat out of Grenada for the summer, so we asked if they offered a rider to move the limit a bit north.  The answer was "Yes." For a premium of about 10% over our normal annual premium, they would extend our coverage north to include our requested cruising zone. We took that offer.

Here is the part that might be of interest to a lot of people:  The actual rider that we received not only included Grenada, but ALL of the Lesser Antilles.  Everything in the eastern Caribbean from Venezuela, all the way up to, but not including, Puerto Rico.  The catch is the underwriters have a maximum number of these riders they will write, in order to limit their total exposure to storm claims. We were told by the broker they usually get more requests for riders than they will write.  I have no idea if they accept them on a first-come, first-served basis, or have other criteria they apply.  But for people interested in summering in the eastern Caribbean, it might be a useful tool to explore.

The other moral of this story is if you have a special request, always ask.  They just might say "Yes"!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood, FL


Re: Qsails

Jose Venegas
 

John,

I am sorry that you had such a bad experience.
To provide information from both sides, I had a different experience with Q-sails and received my Genoa within the time originally quoted. They failed to answer my first e-mail, asking for the state of affairs, but soon after they came back and explained their delay. Because I had paid with a credit card they had requested 100% payment with the order, which made me very worried. However, they delivered a good product and I am extremely happy with the quality of the sail.

Where I had a problem was in Panama where customs was charging me import taxes, in spite that the boat was in transit. Juanjo from Shelter marina help me resolve the issue but I ended up having to pay extra money to get the sail out of Customs.

Hope you get Q-sails to respond.


Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2K 278
Currently In San Andres Colombia.


Re: A tiny bit of good news on insurance.

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

We use Anjo in Antigua which covers us up to a radius of 500NM. Last renewal was USD7130.

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Paul Dowd & Sharon Brown

S/Y Ya Fohi, Amel 54 #98
tel: +44 (0)7710 466619

skype: pauldowd
web:
https://my.yb.tl/yafohi

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Billy Newport
Sent: 04 March 2022 08:41
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A tiny bit of good news on insurance.

 

We are with gowrie now (Markle, $11K) for our Amel 55 for US East coast and Bahamas and they basically refused to cover our boat south of T&C so maybe they are at the limit. They have been looking for us for a policy that covers eastern carribean and keeping boat in Grenada but I'm still waiting after 8 days for an answer. Geico originally covered our boat for US East coast for 3.7K when we purchased the boat as an FYI and then quoted 12k when we tried to renew. We are considering selling the boat right now for this and other reasons. Boat is turnkey.

Billy


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Fw: [AmelYachtOwners] Qsails

Barry Connor
 

Hi Cenk,
See below emails from the Amel forum.
You told me over a month ago that you would be making my Hydra-Net Genoa sail about the 10th March and that you would send me photos of the making of the sail. If you were not able to make my sail then you would have your finance department refund my deposit paid by me using my USA Visa Credit Card.
Have not heard anything from you.
Obviously the Amel Forum is not good news for you.
Please Advise
Sincerely
Barry Connor

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry@...>
To: "main@amelyachtowners.groups.io" <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022, 09:02:16 AM EST
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Qsails

Hi John,
I ordered a Hydranet Genoa and paid a 50% deposit in September. Did you order Hydranet? 
First promised December and since then continued excuses. Looks like I might have to get a refund through my Bank’s Visa Card department.
I would like to ask if anyone in the group has been able to get any Hydranet sails made from any sailmaker in the past 6 months. I do believe that Hydranet sail material has had a supply problem. Would really like to find out if that supply problem has been fixed.
Would appreciate if anyone in the group has more information. 
Don’t want to have to start the ordering process again with another sailmaker if the Hydranet problem still exists.
Very Best to all.

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54.  #17
Le Marin Marina 
Martinique 


On Mar 4, 2022, at 6:10 AM, Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer <ulrich.dangelmeyer@...> wrote:


So very sorry… John, worldwide supply chain restrictions.

If you better ordered them from Incidence Sails in LaRochelle, the OEM for Amel, like us 2 years before
Original cuts from Amel´s archive, best customer treatment, perfect shape and quality, perfect measures like Originals. fast delivery to a remote small greece island.

We did it with our new main and mizzen, without battens and pockets. HydraNet TriRadial. On recommendation from Incidence. Could not be better.
Today with Bills special owner forum´s discount. Best buy. And just my two cents. 

Best
Ulrich
S/Y „Soleil Bleu“.
*
Am 04.03.2022 um 11:57 schrieb John via groups.io <thejluto@...>:

Please note. I am one of Bill's clients.

I ordered a Main and Genoa  from Qsails in August 2021.  As of March 2022, I have been lied to and ignored repeatedly and still have not received the Genoa.

John on SV Justina, A54 #34


Re: Qsails

Barry Connor
 

Hi John,
I ordered a Hydranet Genoa and paid a 50% deposit in September. Did you order Hydranet? 
First promised December and since then continued excuses. Looks like I might have to get a refund through my Bank’s Visa Card department.
I would like to ask if anyone in the group has been able to get any Hydranet sails made from any sailmaker in the past 6 months. I do believe that Hydranet sail material has had a supply problem. Would really like to find out if that supply problem has been fixed.
Would appreciate if anyone in the group has more information. 
Don’t want to have to start the ordering process again with another sailmaker if the Hydranet problem still exists.
Very Best to all.

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54.  #17
Le Marin Marina 
Martinique 


On Mar 4, 2022, at 6:10 AM, Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer <ulrich.dangelmeyer@...> wrote:

So very sorry… John, worldwide supply chain restrictions.

If you better ordered them from Incidence Sails in LaRochelle, the OEM for Amel, like us 2 years before
Original cuts from Amel´s archive, best customer treatment, perfect shape and quality, perfect measures like Originals. fast delivery to a remote small greece island.

We did it with our new main and mizzen, without battens and pockets. HydraNet TriRadial. On recommendation from Incidence. Could not be better.
Today with Bills special owner forum´s discount. Best buy. And just my two cents. 

Best
Ulrich
S/Y „Soleil Bleu“.
*
Am 04.03.2022 um 11:57 schrieb John via groups.io <thejluto@...>:

Please note. I am one of Bill's clients.

I ordered a Main and Genoa  from Qsails in August 2021.  As of March 2022, I have been lied to and ignored repeatedly and still have not received the Genoa.

John on SV Justina, A54 #34


Re: A tiny bit of good news on insurance.

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

If you are looking for an insurance policy for the Caribbean then look at Massey. Reasonable rates and good coverage even hurricane coverage above Grenada. You didn't buy that beautiful boat to stay on the East coast did you?

Chuck 
Joy 388
St.martin 

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 8:41 AM Billy Newport <billy@...> wrote:
We are with gowrie now (Markle, $11K) for our Amel 55 for US East coast and Bahamas and they basically refused to cover our boat south of T&C so maybe they are at the limit. They have been looking for us for a policy that covers eastern carribean and keeping boat in Grenada but I'm still waiting after 8 days for an answer. Geico originally covered our boat for US East coast for 3.7K when we purchased the boat as an FYI and then quoted 12k when we tried to renew. We are considering selling the boat right now for this and other reasons. Boat is turnkey.

Billy


Re: A tiny bit of good news on insurance.

Billy Newport
 

We are with gowrie now (Markle, $11K) for our Amel 55 for US East coast and Bahamas and they basically refused to cover our boat south of T&C so maybe they are at the limit. They have been looking for us for a policy that covers eastern carribean and keeping boat in Grenada but I'm still waiting after 8 days for an answer. Geico originally covered our boat for US East coast for 3.7K when we purchased the boat as an FYI and then quoted 12k when we tried to renew. We are considering selling the boat right now for this and other reasons. Boat is turnkey.

Billy


Re: Qsails

Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
 

So very sorry… John, worldwide supply chain restrictions.

If you better ordered them from Incidence Sails in LaRochelle, the OEM for Amel, like us 2 years before
Original cuts from Amel´s archive, best customer treatment, perfect shape and quality, perfect measures like Originals. fast delivery to a remote small greece island.

We did it with our new main and mizzen, without battens and pockets. HydraNet TriRadial. On recommendation from Incidence. Could not be better.
Today with Bills special owner forum´s discount. Best buy. And just my two cents. 

Best
Ulrich
S/Y „Soleil Bleu“.
*

Am 04.03.2022 um 11:57 schrieb John via groups.io <thejluto@...>:

Please note. I am one of Bill's clients.

I ordered a Main and Genoa  from Qsails in August 2021.  As of March 2022, I have been lied to and ignored repeatedly and still have not received the Genoa.

John on SV Justina, A54 #34


Qsails

John
 

Please note. I am one of Bill's clients.

I ordered a Main and Genoa  from Qsails in August 2021.  As of March 2022, I have been lied to and ignored repeatedly and still have not received the Genoa.

John on SV Justina, A54 #34


Re: Gen/Shore Automatic Relay

 

Mark,

Take a photo and post it or send it to me. I'll try to explain what you have. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 20:35 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I don’t think I am being very clear so, I’ll try again. In the recent discussion about relays for the Gen/Shore switch over, it was mentioned there is a small relay near the water maker access panel that was a part of this discussion. I have a relay there. This is not the larger QUAI-GE Solenoid box (mine was in the engine room). But this picture was posted and resembles the relay I have in the port locker near the watermaker access panel as mentioned as part of the discussion.

 

 

I am trying to understand the purpose of this particular relay. Thanks.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 12:56 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gen/Shore Automatic Relay

 

Mark, The QUAI-GE Solenoid/Relay for Onan/Shore Power was located there during the production of pre-SM2k.

 

Images from my Amel Book:

 



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 4:23 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

The relay in the port cockpit locker by the water maker access panel. What is it used for?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:00 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Gen/Shore Automatic Relay

 

What is the purpose of this relay please?

 

I replaced Gen/Shore auto switch with a manual rotary switch due to two failures and an almost fire. Is this something I also need to remove?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 5:14 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Location of Gen/Shore Automatic Relay Switch #replacement

 

I am 95% sure that a standard automotive relay is used in the Onan.

 



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 6:24 AM Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:

Based on schematic K1 and K2 are equal relays? Do you know model and manufacturer of the relays?
I am not on the boat. 
Thank you 

Slavko
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


Re: Gen/Shore Automatic Relay

Mark Erdos
 

I don’t think I am being very clear so, I’ll try again. In the recent discussion about relays for the Gen/Shore switch over, it was mentioned there is a small relay near the water maker access panel that was a part of this discussion. I have a relay there. This is not the larger QUAI-GE Solenoid box (mine was in the engine room). But this picture was posted and resembles the relay I have in the port locker near the watermaker access panel as mentioned as part of the discussion.

 

image.png

 

I am trying to understand the purpose of this particular relay. Thanks.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 12:56 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gen/Shore Automatic Relay

 

Mark, The QUAI-GE Solenoid/Relay for Onan/Shore Power was located there during the production of pre-SM2k.

 

Images from my Amel Book:

image.png

 

image.png



Image removed by sender.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. 

 

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 4:23 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

The relay in the port cockpit locker by the water maker access panel. What is it used for?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:00 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Gen/Shore Automatic Relay

 

What is the purpose of this relay please?

 

I replaced Gen/Shore auto switch with a manual rotary switch due to two failures and an almost fire. Is this something I also need to remove?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 5:14 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Location of Gen/Shore Automatic Relay Switch #replacement

 

I am 95% sure that a standard automotive relay is used in the Onan.

image.png

 

image.png



Image removed by sender.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. Image removed by sender. 

 

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 6:24 AM Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:

Based on schematic K1 and K2 are equal relays? Do you know model and manufacturer of the relays?
I am not on the boat. 
Thank you 

Slavko
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


Re: A tiny bit of good news on insurance.

Pierre Blouin
 

Although my experience is limited, and I have not had to place a claim. But I have been using Jackline through the Gowrie Group as well. So far, great service, good policy coverage.
They have been very responsive and flexible with adjusting sailing areas.

Our contact: Rachel Sloan, Gowrie Group

rachel.imis@...


-Pierre Blouin

SV Viva, SM #374

Portland, OR



On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 1:40 PM Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:
Insurance continues to be an on going issue for many.  I do have a bit of news, that for us was on the positive side.

We have used Markel's Jackline Policy, sold by the Gowrie Group in Annapolis, since the exit of Pantaneous USA from the market. It is expensive, but we have not found a lower cost policy that met our standards, and covered all of our needs.

One of the limitations of the Jackline policy was the southern edge of the Caribbean hurricane exclusion zone for the summer season was placed at 10º 50' North, just north of Trinidad.  We wanted to base our boat out of Grenada for the summer, so we asked if they offered a rider to move the limit a bit north.  The answer was "Yes." For a premium of about 10% over our normal annual premium, they would extend our coverage north to include our requested cruising zone. We took that offer.

Here is the part that might be of interest to a lot of people:  The actual rider that we received not only included Grenada, but ALL of the Lesser Antilles.  Everything in the eastern Caribbean from Venezuela, all the way up to, but not including, Puerto Rico.  The catch is the underwriters have a maximum number of these riders they will write, in order to limit their total exposure to storm claims. We were told by the broker they usually get more requests for riders than they will write.  I have no idea if they accept them on a first-come, first-served basis, or have other criteria they apply.  But for people interested in summering in the eastern Caribbean, it might be a useful tool to explore.

The other moral of this story is if you have a special request, always ask.  They just might say "Yes"!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood, FL


Re: Introduction and question wrt stay-sail and running rigging

Chris Paul
 

Hi Thomas,
Here is a photo of the top of the staysail. It is attached at the same height as the upper spreader. The running backstays are attached to the inside of the upper spreader. 


On my other (smaller) cutters the staysail was particularly useful when used in conjunction with a high cut jib.  This setup worked really well from about 15kn up wind & reaching and also poled out in higher winds. Changing headsail on the run is a big task so I rarely used the high cut jib. 

Inline image

Regards, 
Chris Paul 
SV GLAZIG 
SM2000 #352
Currently at Opua NZ



On Thursday, 3 March 2022, 09:02:22 pm NZDT, Thomas Wink <poedts@...> wrote:


Hi Chris,

Interesting to see your setup. I agree with your concerns.. you might try upwind performance with the stay sail. For my 46ft Maramu the performance is great above 20kts of true wind. Very smooth sailing and just a bit more angle on the tacks. My staysail is a 95% jib, so pretty small, and easy to handle. You might want to try it out first to see if there is any benefit..

How about the mast fittings? Do you have any pictures on that?

Best regards,
Thomas


On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 4:54 AM Chris Paul via groups.io <chris__paul=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Thomas,


See Attached word document for my inner forestay set up.        

Hope this helps you Thomas.
Any comments, improvements, concerns whatever please reply with your thoughts.

Chris Paul 
SV GLAZIG 
SM2000 #352
Currently at Opua NZ


Re: Gen/Shore Automatic Relay

 

Mark, The QUAI-GE Solenoid/Relay for Onan/Shore Power was located there during the production of pre-SM2k.

Images from my Amel Book:
image.png

image.png


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 4:23 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

The relay in the port cockpit locker by the water maker access panel. What is it used for?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:00 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Gen/Shore Automatic Relay

 

What is the purpose of this relay please?

 

I replaced Gen/Shore auto switch with a manual rotary switch due to two failures and an almost fire. Is this something I also need to remove?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 5:14 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Location of Gen/Shore Automatic Relay Switch #replacement

 

I am 95% sure that a standard automotive relay is used in the Onan.

image.png

 

image.png



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 6:24 AM Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:

Based on schematic K1 and K2 are equal relays? Do you know model and manufacturer of the relays?
I am not on the boat. 
Thank you 

Slavko
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


Re: Gen/Shore Automatic Relay

Bill Kinney
 

Mark,

The relay in that location is used to control the source of AC power.  When the generator is OFF the relay connects shore power to the AC electric panel.  When the generator turns ON, the AC power output by the generator flips the relay, and the generator output is then connected to the AC electric panel.  

This is done so the two sources can never be connected together, and the user has nothing to adjust.  If the generator is running, it is always supplying power to the boat.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood, FL.


Re: Gen/Shore Automatic Relay

Mark Erdos
 

The relay in the port cockpit locker by the water maker access panel. What is it used for?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:00 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Gen/Shore Automatic Relay

 

What is the purpose of this relay please?

 

I replaced Gen/Shore auto switch with a manual rotary switch due to two failures and an almost fire. Is this something I also need to remove?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 5:14 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Location of Gen/Shore Automatic Relay Switch #replacement

 

I am 95% sure that a standard automotive relay is used in the Onan.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

   

 

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 6:24 AM Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:

Based on schematic K1 and K2 are equal relays? Do you know model and manufacturer of the relays?
I am not on the boat. 
Thank you 

Slavko
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Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


Re: B&G Forward Scan Transducer Install

Eloi Bamberg
 

Thank you. Do you have the normal or the long version of the forward transducer installed?

Eloi


A tiny bit of good news on insurance.

Bill Kinney
 

Insurance continues to be an on going issue for many.  I do have a bit of news, that for us was on the positive side.

We have used Markel's Jackline Policy, sold by the Gowrie Group in Annapolis, since the exit of Pantaneous USA from the market. It is expensive, but we have not found a lower cost policy that met our standards, and covered all of our needs.

One of the limitations of the Jackline policy was the southern edge of the Caribbean hurricane exclusion zone for the summer season was placed at 10º 50' North, just north of Trinidad.  We wanted to base our boat out of Grenada for the summer, so we asked if they offered a rider to move the limit a bit north.  The answer was "Yes." For a premium of about 10% over our normal annual premium, they would extend our coverage north to include our requested cruising zone. We took that offer.

Here is the part that might be of interest to a lot of people:  The actual rider that we received not only included Grenada, but ALL of the Lesser Antilles.  Everything in the eastern Caribbean from Venezuela, all the way up to, but not including, Puerto Rico.  The catch is the underwriters have a maximum number of these riders they will write, in order to limit their total exposure to storm claims. We were told by the broker they usually get more requests for riders than they will write.  I have no idea if they accept them on a first-come, first-served basis, or have other criteria they apply.  But for people interested in summering in the eastern Caribbean, it might be a useful tool to explore.

The other moral of this story is if you have a special request, always ask.  They just might say "Yes"!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood, FL