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Round Table Discussion ZOOM & STREAM - Provisioning your Amel

When:
02/26/2022
20:00 to 21:00
(UTC+00:00) UTC

Where:
Galveston

Organizer: Bill Rouse brouse@... 8323804970

Description:
All Amel Group Members,

This will be the first of several Round Table Discussions on subjects that are important to most Amel owners. Our Round Table will consist of volunteers from members of our Group. You can view this as it happens or view it later by streaming the recorded event. One benefit of viewing it live is that you can pose questions to the Round Table by using CHAT in ZOOM to our Moderator, Tilo Peters. Tilo will pose your questions to the Round Table.

Reminder: You may have a sailing partner who is not a member of our Amel Group and did not receive this notice. They may be interested in this Round Table.

Panelists:
David & Leanne (Lenny) Vogel <svperigee@...>
Mark & Cindy Erdos Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> Cindy <cindy@...>
Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...>
Chris Doucette <amaroksailing@...>
Up to two more may be added. Anyone else wishing to volunteer to be one of the 4-6 panelists for this Round Table should email Bill Rouse at brouse@...

Join Zoom Meeting https://epfl.zoom.us/j/66682344894?pwd=aFA1cVhadUxtUHpaTWROQ0pLUUh1QT09 Meeting ID: 666 8234 4894 Passcode: 468919

Stream This Round Table at a later date, or watch it LIVE with YouTube: https://youtu.be/IduAA8kMZlo

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
 
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
 
 


Parts for YANMAR 4JH3-HTE - if replacing your engine, please advertise your engine accessories on the AMEL forum

David Vogel
 

Greetings,

I am in the process of doing a major service (1,000HR / 4YR) on my YANMAR 4JH3-HTE. Due to COVID-related circumstances, I stretched the service interval to 4 YRS and 1,500hours.

This routine periodic servicing is called "preventative maintenance" for a reason.

During the turbo experience in Tahiti 6 months back, I gave the engine a good look-over and noted some coolant weeping at one of the end-caps for the Oil Cooler - there was no visible moisture, only a trace of the evaporated coolant on the outside metal surfaces surrounding the gasket-join. I had a very experienced and well-reputed mechanic in Tahiti do a visual on it, and he was of the opinion at that time to "keep an eye on it", but to do nothing until I got to NZ or AUS. The weeping gradually increased over the intervening months, resulting is a small rust bloom under the end-cap, and pooling in the engine block.

After removal and cleaning of the oil cooler, some serious erosion was identified on the mating face of the main tube (p/n: 129671-33001) - see attached picture (IMG_9588). Advisedly requiring replacement - the mechanics here recommended against building up the eroded metal and then re-machining. No worries, I thought, giving myself a pat on the back, as I had, per chance, a spare second-hand unit acquired in Panama when a cruising buddy needed to replace his (non-intercooled) 4JH3-TE, due to a warped headed and the consequential problems he experienced. The main body of the oil coolers for these engines are the same, except for the end caps. My warm glow rapidly evaporated, however, when it turned out that my 'spare' Oil Cooler was suffering exactly the same erosion as my original, although to a lessor extent. But nevertheless not fit for use. In attempting to source a replacement, I discovered that, reportedly, these parts are no longer being manufactured by YANMAR (that is, none held in stock in Japan). Cost new from the UK: GBP1,400-. Fortunately, a global search located a suitable second-hand unit in good condition in Australia. Cost: AUD850-. Now on-board.

Detailed inspection of the inter-cooler (air cooler), also removed for routine cleaning and inspection, has identified thermal and stress related cracking in each of the end-caps (P/nos: 129673-18220 & 129673-18230). These individual parts are (reportedly) also no longer being individually manufactured - a global search by the YANMAR dealer/distributor here reports no second-hand units can be located anywhere on the planet, and the only way forward is to purchase a complete new unit from YANMAR Japan, with the POA price advised (after a 3 wk delay) of over $5,000-. Or, to have new end-caps machined up from scratch, an option I am now investigating. (I am now also seeking a second opinion from the main YANMAR service center in AKL.)

Some takeaways here are:

1. ignore routine service-intervals at your peril; I shudder to think of the broader damage that could have occurred should the oil cooler have suffered a catastrophic failure while the engine was operating at load. It was only the rust bloom that was holding the coolant in, and thank heavens I did not disturb it once it started to grow - I had thought initially to "brush it up" and have a prod and poke around but, upon reflection, thought the better of it, to "let sleeping dogs lie" until I was on the dock with workshops and suitably experienced mechanics nearby - I am glad I left well alone. But I will be a lot more careful in future about these 'little' signs of impending problems.

2. if anyone is replacing their legacy YANMAR engine, please retrieve the accessories (oil cooler, turbo, fuel injector pump, inter-cooler, and so on), and offer them to your fellow AMEL owners, as these items are becoming increasingly rare.

Thank you, and with kind regards,

David
SM#396, Perigee
Whangarei, NZ


Event: Round Table Discussion ZOOM & STREAM - Provisioning your Amel - 02/26/2022 #cal-reminder

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Reminder: Round Table Discussion ZOOM & STREAM - Provisioning your Amel

When:
02/26/2022
20:00 to 21:00
(UTC+00:00) UTC

Where:
Galveston

Organizer: Bill Rouse brouse@... 8323804970

An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP

Description:
All Amel Group Members,

This will be the first of several Round Table Discussions on subjects that are important to most Amel owners. Our Round Table will consist of volunteers from members of our Group. You can view this as it happens or view it later by streaming the recorded event. One benefit of viewing it live is that you can pose questions to the Round Table by using CHAT in ZOOM to our Moderator, Tilo Peters. Tilo will pose your questions to the Round Table.

Reminder: You may have a sailing partner who is not a member of our Amel Group and did not receive this notice. They may be interested in this Round Table.

Panelists:
David & Leanne (Lenny) Vogel <svperigee@...>
Mark & Cindy Erdos Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> Cindy <cindy@...>
Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...>
Chris Doucette <amaroksailing@...>
Up to two more may be added. Anyone else wishing to volunteer to be one of the 4-6 panelists for this Round Table should email Bill Rouse at brouse@...

Join Zoom Meeting https://epfl.zoom.us/j/66682344894?pwd=aFA1cVhadUxtUHpaTWROQ0pLUUh1QT09 Meeting ID: 666 8234 4894 Passcode: 468919

Stream This Round Table at a later date, or watch it LIVE with YouTube: https://youtu.be/IduAA8kMZlo

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
 
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
 
 


Re: Insurance

Trevor Lusty
 

Dear Chuck and Kim,
                                   This company have covered me and a number of other Amel owners. I have no association with him financially.

Regards,

Trevor Lusty

Meaghan Farr

Account Executive | Topsail Insurance Ltd.

       

 

Lytchett House, 13 Freeland Park, Wareham Road, Poole, Dorset, BH16 6FA
Phone.              + 44 (0) 1273 573 727 

Email.                laurac@...

Website.            www.topsailinsurance.com

 


Insurance

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Greetings All,
Are there any US citizens with US flagged boats fully insured in the Mediterranean presently or recently? I am looking for an insurance policy to cross the Atlantic and cruise the Med. Thank you in advance and all the best!

Chuck and Kim 
Joy SM 388
St.martin WI


Re: seals

 

Dessalator will be unresponsive because that is not a Dessalator-supplied pump. 

The one Dessalator used for the 160 has a 12mm mechanical seal. Most mechanical seals provide enough pressure on the 2 faces of the seal to seal water under pressure up to 6 bar. There is almost zero pressure on the Low-Pressure pump seals. I have not measured it, but likely less than 2 bar. I needed to replace this seal when I was in Penang Malaysia. I found a shop that had a box of them with no specifications whatsoever. I bought a 12mm seal and installed it. 8 years later it was still working.


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 7:06 AM william reynolds <sail23692@...> wrote:
I have a Dessalator 160 watermaker with a Leroy Somer PSP22 low pressure seawater pump. Does anyone have a source or the specs for the carbon water seal. LS and Dessalator have been unresponsive to my requests? They are 22mm but the spring pressure is critical.
Bill
Cloudstreet


 


seals

william reynolds
 

I have a Dessalator 160 watermaker with a Leroy Somer PSP22 low pressure seawater pump. Does anyone have a source or the specs for the carbon water seal. LS and Dessalator have been unresponsive to my requests? They are 22mm but the spring pressure is critical.
Bill
Cloudstreet


 


Re: Folding prop A54

Martin Birkhoff
 

Hi Levent,

we have been using an autoprop for many years. There are two variants, a seawater-lubricated propeller with the ball bearings of the individual blades running open and an encapsulated prop with grease-lubricated ball bearings of the blades.
 
In 1999 we changed from a three-bladed fixed pitch propeller to a three-bladed Autoprop H5, grease lubricated, on our then 39 ft aluminium boat. Our current 54 has had a three-bladed, grease-lubricated Autoprop H6 from the beginning.
 
Results / observations on the aluminium boat:
- considerably higher speed under sail, an increase of 1 to 1.5 kn depending on wind conditions
- significantly reduced yawing to windward of the boat
- 10% less revs for the same speed under engine
- good efficiency in reverse
- clear wheeling effect when reversing, which we found very helpful when parking
 
Results / observationsons the 54:
- higher speed under sail but I can´t give numbers
- due to the position of the propeller on the keel, there is hardly any influence on the windward yaw of the boat, whereas the Amel is not windward per se
- 10% less revs for the same speed under engine
- good efficiency in reverse
- hardly any steering effect when going backwards, due to the position of the propeller (keel).
 
What else should be noted:
Compared to other folding prop designs or a fixed blade prop, it takes a little time to have an effect after the clutch is engaged, as the blades have to adjust first. This means that you have to expect a delayed response, or give significantly more throttle when manoeuvring.

It is important to grease the bearings once a year and to check the mobility of the blades. If they rotate unsteadily, the bearings must be replaced.

In extreme conditions, very rough, very steep seas, it can happen that the propeller blades can no longer adjust themselves. The prop will then no longer develop propulsion. However, we only experienced this once in 2006 at the Le Maire Strait, with our old boat that had a conventional shaft system. We had wind of 42 to 45 kn and tried to sneak in a sheltered bay against the wind, facing waves and current but it did not work. In this moment we thought the prop was lost. When we turned to leave LeMaire Strait under sails the prop was working as usual. On an Amel with the propeller on the keel, I think this effect is practically impossible, because the propeller is always in calmer water or a less moving point of the boat.

In my opinion the autoprop is one of the best designs available.

Martin
SY Mago del Sur 54#40
currently Marina di Ragusa, Sicily


Recommended headsail inventory

Rick Stanley
 

Hi folks we're in the process of entirely refitting our Sm2K and are getting close to ordering sails. 

Question: what is the standard (or alternately, recommended) headsail inventory for an SM2K? 158% genoa, matching asymmetric spinnaker/gennaker, balloner, and possibly a smaller 90% jib for heavy weather sailing is what we're thinking.

Thoughts?

Rick Stanley
S/V Althea
SM2K #317
Rock Hall, MD


Re: Remote temperature, pressure and humidity monitoring

Jose Venegas
 

Dough

Great to hear that you found them easy to install. I was also thinking about buying some and monitor them with the Victron Cerbo GX as you are doing.
Where did you mount the Cerbo and how far from it are the sensors?
I found that the Cerbo blue tooth signal is rather weak.

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2K 278
Currently in San Andres Colombia


Re: Remote temperature, pressure and humidity monitoring

Matt & Michelle
 

Michelle and I had the same experience as Doug.  Ordered 5 and arrived in a week.  I will say that I thought I would be smart and not buy the holders, and just use VHB tape.  This turned out to be a silly decision as the sensors' firmware can be updated and that requires opening the unit (with the APP).  That is a POA if you stuck a sensor in a hole out of the way in a fridge or freezer.  The gymnastics upside down crammed in a tight space makes my choice dumb as a fence post.

If you have a Maretron BT Gateway (or equivalent), you can see the sensor(s).  The display of the data will be determined by your device/MFD (etc).  Ruuvi intentionally chose to build the sensors open source.

Matt
SV Talia SM309
Hampton, VA   


Re: Remote temperature, pressure and humidity monitoring

Doug Smith
 

Yes, I bought them direct from the website. I purchased 5 and a couple of the holders for them and they shipped from Europe for free. Arrived in  Virginia in about a week. 
As for the other N2K options, that one is over my head and I depend on others as I am less familiar with how to do that. I will say the Bluetooth app on your phone is a pretty nice option for local display but not outside of range of BT.  

Thanks, Doug Smith

Amel 54-113, Aventura

Dugsmith98@...

On Feb 25, 2022, at 5:52 PM, Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:

Doug, nice find. Did you buy them off the RuuviTag website? I assume you can simply place in your freezer and read the temps remotely via Bluetooth. It would really be great if you could get them to communicate over N2K - maybe worth a shot with the hack!
One of my biggest goals is to be able to read the frig/freezer temps remotely through my Maretron N2K - a major concern in the Chesapeake Bay during the summer.
Thanks, and looking forward to your new BLDC refrigerator pump install. Mine has been fantastic.
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: Remote temperature, pressure and humidity monitoring

Jamie Wendell
 

Doug, nice find. Did you buy them off the RuuviTag website? I assume you can simply place in your freezer and read the temps remotely via Bluetooth. It would really be great if you could get them to communicate over N2K - maybe worth a shot with the hack!
One of my biggest goals is to be able to read the frig/freezer temps remotely through my Maretron N2K - a major concern in the Chesapeake Bay during the summer.
Thanks, and looking forward to your new BLDC refrigerator pump install. Mine has been fantastic.
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: 12 V sea water pump for fridge and freezer

Martin Birkhoff
 

Thanks Bill for your information. 

The drawing makes it clear that the pump is indeed operated with 24 V.

In the meantime I was able to phone to a Frigoboat dealer. According to him, Frigoboat always uses 24V Flojet pumps. These pumps can be operated with 12V too. It is generally recommended to operate the pumps with 12V, hence the labelling as 12 V pump.
Reasons for recommending 12 V operation are:
- lower noise level 
- less abrasive effects in the flow system because of the reduced water flow
So far the statements of the dealer.
 
Regards

Martin
Mago del Sur - 54#40
currently Marina di Ragusa, Sicily


Re: Location of Gen/Shore Automatic Relay Switch #replacement

Alan "Woody" Wood
 

40A Telemecanique.. I think


Re: Remote temperature, pressure and humidity monitoring

Doug Smith
 

Matt,

There is a GuiMods hack to the operating system, Venus, which allows for that configuration.  The GuiMods is a downloadable file that you can get from the YouTube video.  It explains how to upload the file to the Cerbo and get it to display what I think you are referring to.

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Patuxent River, MD USA

 

 

From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Matt & Michelle <charlesmatthewday@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Friday, February 25, 2022 at 10:53 AM
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Remote temperature, pressure and humidity monitoring

 

Doug,

How did you get them to display on the PAGES screen?  I can see mine on MAIN, but not PAGES.

I second the ease of setup...they are open source, so you can do just about networking you want.

Matt


Re: Location of Gen/Shore Automatic Relay Switch #replacement

Alan "Woody" Wood
 

Thanks for that Bill.. really helpful.. it's a 1997 and yes it was in the cockpit locker.. but no QUAI markings or delay timer - just a 40A Telemecanique Relay Solenoid Switch. I guess as part of the upgrade I should add the 20A breaker too as you advise. You've posted a pic of the Onan auto relay too.. do I need to worry about that as part of the Multiplus / Lithium upgrade? 


Re: Location of Gen/Shore Automatic Relay Switch #replacement

Alan "Woody" Wood
 

Thanks Bill!.. yes that's exactly where it was.. no markings, just a grey box.. not easy to get to but I guess the cockpit locker needed a clean out anyway :)


Re: Remote temperature, pressure and humidity monitoring

Matt & Michelle
 

Doug,

How did you get them to display on the PAGES screen?  I can see mine on MAIN, but not PAGES.

I second the ease of setup...they are open source, so you can do just about networking you want.

Matt


Remote temperature, pressure and humidity monitoring

Doug Smith
 

Hello all,

I came across an interesting device to monitor temperatures in the different refrigerators, freezer, or even the engine room. I am also placing one in the cabin.  They are called Ruuvi Sensors, and measure temperature, humidity and barometric pressure.  All Bluetooth transmission to a local phone app on your mobile phone, but also easily added to the Victron remote monitoring so you can see the temperatures and pressures while away from the boat.

Using the Victron Cerbo, it becomes another sensor, similar to the tank and temperature sensors that the Victron can monitor, you can connect these Bluetooth sensors wherever you want to monitor a temperature.

Shipping is free if you purchase more than 100 Euro worth, so I bought five and they seem to be pretty nice little toys to add on for those who are always asking themselves if their refrigeration pump is still working?  How hot is my inverter working, how hot is my cabin getting while I am away from the boat?  Plus they can trigger a switch or relay to activate things to correct whatever situation you are concerned about.  Screen shots and a youtube video showing how to add to your Victron system are attached.  Hope some of you find these helpful. No commercial interest, except I bought some and find them useful.

 

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Patuxent River, MD USA

 

 

https://youtu.be/O8y_wFmuxGA