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Re: Onan

seafeverofcuan <seafeverofcuan@...>
 

Dear Gary,
Thank you so much for such an informed response. A copy of that has already been saved to the ship's computer, it's a pity Onan couldn't explain there own product range in such a straight forward and succinct manner.
The generator burnt out the stator and had to be rebuilt in August last year, since then the Kubota engine never ran smoothly and often shut down indicating an over heating problem. Our laser thermometer always proved it wrong and we simply restarted it and it would run for between twenty minutes and four hours the shut itself down as overheating
and I couldn't source the problem, it was never overheated.
This time the engine stopped dead during normal running while using the washing machine.
Strangely there was no code light, so I was stuck to diagnose the problem, therefore I started from scratch.
First up only 10.65 volts at the starter which proved to be the earth strap from the starter relay to the tray, it looked fine yet when I tugged it, it parted in my hand.
New strap and 12.3 volts up the line from the battery to the starter, yet still no warning code and the engine would not crank .
I employed the local highly recommended service company who are not Onan agents they sent two technicians neither of whom could get it to crank and walked away.
So I went right back to basics again, air, fuel, power, during these checks I pushed the start switch really quickly three times in frustration, and up popped four flashes for over charging.
So even further confused, I followed to the letter, the instructions and got half a crank which made me think there might be an airlock.
So I opened the bleed nut, put a diaper over it cranked some more but still no go. then I switched around the two
K3 AND K4 relays, no difference.
For no good reason I removed the K3 relay which powers the glow plugs, it cranked and started.
I let it run a while shut it down and restarted. Tried it the next morning and it wouldn't crank or start, repeated the process without bleeding and it started although it would not start from the galley switch.
When I left the boat in Mexico it was starting from both switches and running fine and I think that I probably have a problem with either a short in the glow plugs or the starter switch on the generator either or both occasionally drawing voltage away from the starter, certainly Bill's posting re. battery and cables would indicate that as a possibility.
The help line at Onan was worse that useless, never taking time to read my emails and suggesting all sorts of really stupid solutions.
I am now back in Ireland and still waiting for them to tell me who their marine agent is in Mexico.
When I return I intend to be well armed with replacement parts.
Hopefully there is some learning in here somewhere for the group and thank you very much for your help.
Kind regards,

Trevor

Sea Fever of Cuan
Sm425
Ireland

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I found the minimum CCA Cold Cranking Amps required by the Onan MDKAV. It is 360 amps at 12.0 volts.

Now I need to compute the loss of amperage based on the approximately 5 meter run of wire from the battery. If anyone can help with this it will be appreciated. I am not on the boat until next week and I am not sure of the wire size.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
On the hard in Gocek, Turkey with Emek Marine


--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@> wrote:

Gary & all,

Does anyone know how many amps are pulled in the starting cycle?
Starter = ?amps
Glow Plugs = ?amps
Computer, etc = ?amps

I think that in some cases hard starting may be the result of low amperage delivered to the genset. As you know the wire run from the starting battery to the genset is something like 5-6 meters. I have suspected that a higher cranking amp starter battery and/or larger gauge wire, or both is in order. I have found that cleaning positive and negative wire termination points improve Onan starting. This leads me to believe that amps delivered to the starter motor is critical.

I am aware that some owners have increased the positive and negative wire size, some have located a battery closer and some have increased the size of the starting battery. What I would like to know is the amps required vs the amps delivered.

Hope this helps or adds to the discussion.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
On the hard in Gocek, Turkey with Emek Marine


--- In amelyachtowners@..., amelliahona <no_reply@> wrote:

Hi Trevor:

Perhaps you have already solved your problem but let me seek some clarification on your problem. Do you have the shop manual for your genet?

1. I am confused from your post whether this is a problem with the engine cranking or whether this is a problem with the engine running.

a) If the engine suddenly stops, in my experience, this is usually due to one the several sensors on the engine (sea water temp over heat, low oil pressure, etc) telling the engine to shut down. You need to methodically work through each sensor (I don't have my shop manual here but I think there are at least 6 different sensors). They may actually be sensing a fault condition or there may be a faulty sensor, you will have to determine what is the case and repair accordingly. The sensors are mostly either normally open or normally closed switches and can be tested using a multi-meter.

b) If the engine won't crank (turn over as in trying to start it) then you have one of four problems;NOTE: THESE ENGINES HAVE TWO STARTER MOTOR SOLENOIDS (aka CONTACTORS). There is one on the + side and one on the - or ground side. Both solenoids have to work for the starter motor to work crank the engine.

1- a faulty positive side (12 VDC) contactor, check to see if you have 12 volts on the supply side of this contractor, then see if you have 12 volts on the output side of the contractor while someone tries to crank the motor with the start switch, if you have 12 volts in and 12 volts out when activated then this contactor is ok next ,
2- a faulty negative or earth side contractor (starter to ground on the tray). This contactor is mounted below the starter motor and is somewhat out of sight unless you bend way over. If you bypass this contactor you will NOT harm your engine. If bypassing this contactor allows the engine to crank when the start switch is activated then you either have a bad ground or a faulty ground side contactor.
3- a faulty starter motor, If you can measure 12 volts on the supply to the starter motor with your multimeter when the start switch is activated and you have a known good ground side contactor and known good positive side contactor, yet the motor won't crank, then your starter motor is faulty. Just to verify this you can remove the starter motor and take it to a shop to have it tested and/or repaired.
4- a faulty starter switch. If you don't see 12 volts on the control line to the contractors (both + and - side contractors) when the start switch is activated, then you probably have a faulty starter switch.

Once again, cranking (the engine being turned over by the starter motor) is a whole different problem from running. If you have already solved this, please let us know what you found. If not, give us some more details and perhaps we can add some more suggestions.

Best of luck,

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM2000 Hull #335
on the hard at Jolly Harbor, Antigua



--- In amelyachtowners@..., "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@> wrote:

Dear All,
my generator stopped dead while running a few days ago. No flashing lights. It cranked a couple of times then silence
I have checked the raw water, fresh water,systems, changed the fuel pump, a suspect earth strap from the solenoid to the tray . I have 12.7 volts at the solenoid if I short the terminals the engine will crank, but I don't want to let in run incase of further damage.
I have swopped over the relays for the starter under the white casing lid, but nothing all I get is the flashing green light at the start switch for a few seconds, I can feel the new fuel pimp working but no engine cranking.
The genset had a new rotor,stator and control panel last October at 1000 hours after burning out.
If anyone can shed some light I would be most grateful. I am in Mazatlan Mexico where the local service companies are willing but have no knowledge or access to Onan.
Many thanks.
Trevor

Seafever of Cuan
No 425


Re: [Amel] Re: yanmar exhaust (mixing) elbow.

karkauai
 

Interesting. I guess this is unrelated to the carbon buildup discussed in the Volvo rpm threads. My new Yanmar 4JH4HTE only has <100 hours but it'd be nice to know if there is anything I could do to slow down the process. That nickle plating sounds interesting. Has anyone done that? Would you get a spare or nickle plate?
This forum is soooo cool.
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA
On Jun 30, 2013, at 8:52 AM, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe"

Eric,

Yes. TIG welding will only last a short time because it leaves pin holes and corrosion inside the elbow. It appears that the mixing elbow is good for about 3000 hours and a repaired elbow for about 1000 hours. I repaired ours and kept it as a spair, replacing it with an expensive new part (imported to Thailand).

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey





Re: [Amel] yanmar exhaust (mixing) elbow.

karkauai
 

Eric,
Was the first clue that something was wrong a leak (I guess you'd see the raw water leaking and smell exhaust fumes), or was it a decrease in performance?

Does running the engine hard regularly help retard the process? Anything else that could be done to slow it down?

Thanks
Kent
SM243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA

On Jun 30, 2013, at 1:18 AM, kimberlite@... wrote:

We are now on our third mixing elbow.
they seem to develop pinholes particularly near the mounting flange. last time we just welded over it now it needs to be replaced. has anyone else had this problem?
we have about 4500 hours on our engine.
Fair winds
eric
sm 376






Re: yanmar exhaust (mixing) elbow.

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

Yes. TIG welding will only last a short time because it leaves pin holes and corrosion inside the elbow. It appears that the mixing elbow is good for about 3000 hours and a repaired elbow for about 1000 hours. I repaired ours and kept it as a spair, replacing it with an expensive new part (imported to Thailand).

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., kimberlite@... wrote:

We are now on our third mixing elbow.
they seem to develop pinholes particularly near the mounting flange. last time we just welded over it now it needs to be replaced. has anyone else had this problem?
we have about 4500 hours on our engine.
Fair winds
eric
sm 376



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Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hi Danny, For what it is worth my last boat had a Volvo engine and needed a new mixing elbow when we were in Queensland. The cost of importing one was very high and a local welding business made a new one out of stainless for much less and much quicker.
Regards, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM 319 Malta

From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:37 PM
To: amel owners
Subject: Fw: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


Sorry guys (and Gals)
error in last message. Correction is: The mixing elbow is beside the turbo that is covered with the heat protector, (the elbow itself is not covered)
Regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl

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From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <mailto:simms%40xtra.co.nz>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2013 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


Hi Again.
I do commend to the group to check the exhaust mixing elbow I mentioned for carbon build up. It is relatively easy to remove but take it off the boat to clean the carbon out. You may well find as I did that the casting has eroded to the extent of needing to be replaced. If you are wondering where and what the "mixing elbow" is, it is beside the turbo and is covered with the heat protector. Its purpose in life is to be the entry point to the exhaust system of the cooling water. As I said before this mixing of hot gas and much cooler water causes carbon deposit that can eventually block the exhuast completely, however even any reduction in the volume of this can reduce engine performance significantly so periodic cleaning is beneficial.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

________________________________
From: Joel F Potter <mailto:jfpottercys%40att.net>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


Hello Danny and the propeller problems with fouling and wear and RPM reductions are not exclusive to the Volvo engine installation (and the Perkins Prima which is virtually the same engine). I had a Volvo equipped boat as my first demonstration boat, and then two Yanmar boats that I purchased in succession for use as demonstrators. The Yanmar boats did exactly the same thing with even one gooseneck barnacle on the Autoprop. That, and the fact that I have sold at least 70 used SM 53’s over the years and prepared for every sea trial with a prop inspection and/or cleaning to make sure that proper performance could be demonstrated. The Autoprop is a fine device if it is clean but they have a real Jekell-Hyde character change when dirty.

Your comments on usage and carbon and so forth are right on the money. I have sold boats with 700 hours on the diesel where the motor was never run past about 60% of maximum output. Of course these were smoky and well down on power to the 7000 hour example that was run flat stick frequently and always attempted to be kept in the 75%-90% power range and with otherwise exemplary maintenance. Diesels like to work and protest if they are made to loaf…

I always smile when I see that you are out and about enjoying your Amel the way God and Henri intended. You are a fortunate guy!

All the best,

Joel

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: mailto:jfpottercys%40att.net

From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:16 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Hi All,
It is of note that the problem is exclusive to the TMD 22. If it is a prop problem it beggars belief that no Yanmar equipped boats have trouble with their props. Surely all Yanmar owners do not do a so much better job of keeping any fouling off their propellers?

Also, as I understand the auto prop it automatically adjusts pitch to match power, and torque applied, the load, and boat speed. So the pitch would be different in a fully laden boat with all cruising gear on board, and 600l diesel and 1000 l of water and six persons and luggage aboard, pushing into 20 knots of wind and a chop, compared to an empty boat in flat water with no opposing wind. I would expect the fully laden boat to operate with a lesser pitch to allow revs to be attained, like changing down gears in a car going up a steep hill.

Likewise, if two identical boats, identically laden in identical circumstances, had different diameter propellers, would not the auto prop automatically compensate for this by applying a lesser pitch to the larger prop? It would do this on the boats with the 100hp engines running at less than full power would they not?.

I believe we may find different owners (or past owners) habitual usage of their motors over long periods may well be a factor.. Diesel engines like to work, and work for long periods of time, to get good and hot and burn off accumulated carbon deposits.

Speaking of Carbon deposits. There is a cast iron casting at the end of the exhaust manifold.. This is where the cooling water enters the exhaust system. It is a common problem across all engine types for large amounts of carbon the build up here, to the extent it can completely clog the exhaust. It is caused by the change in temperature as the water meets the VERY HOT exhaust gases. Twice recently I have heard of engines actually being stopped by this, one was a Kubota diving a gen set on an Amel, the other was a small Yanmar in a 30 footer. The owner of the Yanmar, a quite skilled home mechanic, had gone to the extent of removing the motor and completely disasembling it before he found the inaccessible exhaust almost completely clogged where the water and hot gasses met.
Food for thought,
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Cruising Fiji

________________________________
From: Miles Bidwell <mailto:mbidwell%40attglobal.net>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 24 June 2013 8:35 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

I have recently been having the same problem with my TMD22. I cannot get
more than about 1700 rpms, but if I stop and then flat stick the throttle,
the autoprop will spin up into the turbo range and then I have (what seems
to be) almost normal power until I let the rpms drop below 2100. The
maximum revs are 2700 instead of the normal 2800 as of last summer; however
the big problem is new this year. Over the winter, I had the fresh water
pump replaced and the injectors checked and adjusted and the turbo replaced.
The autoprop is clean and to make sure, the autoprop people just rebuilt it.
A fixed prop does not solve the issue. I am about to turn to the high
pressure fuel pump. Any suggestions will be most welcome.

Miles, S/Y Ladybug (SM 216) in Newport, RI

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Re: [Amel] yanmar exhaust (mixing) elbow.

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Eric. You might think about having the bore nickel plated to stop the corrosion.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Jun 30, 2013, at 1:18, kimberlite@... wrote:

We are now on our third mixing elbow.
they seem to develop pinholes particularly near the mounting flange. last time we just welded over it now it needs to be replaced. has anyone else had this problem?
we have about 4500 hours on our engine.
Fair winds
eric
sm 376






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Re: [Amel] Generator 8kw

Attilio Su Yahoo <attilio.siviero@...>
 

Two questions:
1. How much
2. Why you sell
Attilio e Maria Sisila Amel Santorin #84 in Monfalcone 348 2330185

Inviato da iPad

Il giorno 29/giu/2013, alle ore 18:04, arca noe <arcadinoesailing@...> ha scritto:

Hello everyone,

I sell my Paguro generator 220v 8kw soundproofed, almost new, with maintenance handbook and spare parts, The generator is still mounted on the boat and it is ready for any test.
Information and photos sent on request.

Regards

Mango 85 Leghorn Italy

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yanmar exhaust (mixing) elbow.

kimberlite@...
 

We are now on our third mixing elbow.
they seem to develop pinholes particularly near the mounting flange. last time we just welded over it now it needs to be replaced. has anyone else had this problem?
we have about 4500 hours on our engine.
Fair winds
eric
sm 376


Re: Yacht Brokers

seafeverofcuan <seafeverofcuan@...>
 

I bought Seafever through Michel Charpentier. Firstly he is a true sailor, has crossed the Atlantic and returned under his own keel. He is a former sailing instructor and his knowledge of Amel products is unsurpassed in Europe.
He is the only factory approved "agent d'occasion" ( secondhand boat sales) that I am aware of and he speaks fluent English.
His integrity and reputation is of the highest calibre, testimony to which has previously been paid on this forum and I have experienced first hand.
I would not consider selling or purchasing an Amel without consulting him. His word is his bond.

Trevor Lusty
SeaFever of Cuan
SM 425
Ireland

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "EdisonR" <roque@...> wrote:

Hi all

This Forum has a lot of info about where to get parts and services all over the world. I've used a lot of them (by the way, Sheri Moon -Trans Atlantic Diesel- said hello to John "Moon Dog" and Joel Potter)

But when someone wants to buy/sell an Amel and reach for us for help, there is almost nothing about Yacht Brokers (with the exception of Joel Potter in USA, who does a great job here in this forum).

A friend wants to sell his SM. And I can only refer him to the Broker who helped me buy my boat. But if his Amel is in another ocean, this won't be helpful. We all will have to let go our Amel sometime in the future. Me too. And we will be facing the same issue.

Maybe we could put together here in this thread our comments about Brokers around the world who are familiar with Amel. Those you know, first hand, that are good professional. Also websites to market, prices of real deals, etc, etc. Anything that will help to sell or buy an Amel.

I don't mean we will guarantee the broker's work, as much as we don't guarantee a parts provider. But we could at least say: "Smith" did a great job selling my former Amel in Germany (or Australia, South America, Turkey...) 2010. You can reach him at....!

So if you think this will be helpful for the group as well as wannabe Amel owners, send your contribution.

Rgds

Roque
Atica
Amel54


Fw: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Sorry guys (and Gals)
error in last message. Correction is: The mixing elbow is beside the turbo that is covered with the heat protector, (the elbow itself is not covered)
Regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2013 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

 
Hi Again.
I do commend to the group to check the exhaust mixing elbow  I mentioned for carbon build up. It is relatively easy to remove but take it off the boat to clean the carbon out. You may well find as I did that the casting has eroded to the extent of needing to be replaced. If you are wondering where and what the "mixing elbow" is, it is beside the turbo and is covered with the heat protector. Its purpose in life is to be the entry point to the exhaust system of the cooling water. As I said before this mixing of hot gas and much cooler water causes carbon deposit that can eventually block the exhuast completely, however even any reduction in the volume of this can reduce engine performance significantly so periodic cleaning is beneficial.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

________________________________
From: Joel F Potter <mailto:jfpottercys%40att.net>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

 
Hello Danny and the propeller problems with fouling and wear and RPM reductions are not exclusive to the Volvo engine installation (and the Perkins Prima which is virtually the same engine). I had a Volvo equipped boat as my first demonstration boat, and then two Yanmar boats that I purchased in succession for use as demonstrators. The Yanmar boats did exactly the same thing with even one gooseneck barnacle on the Autoprop. That, and the fact that I have sold at least 70 used SM 53’s over the years and prepared for every sea trial with a prop inspection and/or cleaning to make sure that proper performance could be demonstrated. The Autoprop is a fine device if it is clean but they have a real Jekell-Hyde character change when dirty.

Your comments on usage and carbon and so forth are right on the money. I have sold boats with 700 hours on the diesel where the motor was never run past about 60% of maximum output. Of course these were smoky and well down on power to the 7000 hour example that was run flat stick frequently and always attempted to be kept in the 75%-90% power range and with otherwise exemplary maintenance. Diesels like to work and protest if they are made to loaf…

I always smile when I see that you are out and about enjoying your Amel the way God and Henri intended. You are a fortunate guy!

All the best,

Joel

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: mailto:jfpottercys%40att.net

From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:16 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Hi All,
It is of note that the problem is exclusive to the TMD 22. If it is a prop problem it beggars belief that no Yanmar equipped boats have trouble with their props. Surely all Yanmar owners do not do a so much better job of keeping any fouling off their propellers?

Also, as I understand the auto prop it automatically adjusts pitch to match power, and torque applied, the load, and boat speed. So the pitch would be different in a fully laden boat with all cruising gear on board, and 600l diesel and 1000 l of water and six persons and luggage aboard, pushing into 20 knots of wind and a chop, compared to an empty boat in flat water with no opposing wind. I would expect the fully laden boat to operate with a lesser pitch to allow revs to be attained, like changing down gears in a car going up a steep hill.

Likewise, if two identical boats, identically laden in identical circumstances, had different diameter propellers, would not the auto prop automatically compensate for this by applying a lesser pitch to the larger prop? It would do this on the boats with the 100hp engines running at less than full power would they not?.

I believe we may find different owners (or past owners) habitual usage of their motors over long periods may well be a factor.. Diesel engines like to work, and work for long periods of time, to get good and hot and burn off accumulated carbon deposits.

Speaking of Carbon deposits. There is a cast iron casting at the end of the exhaust manifold.. This is where the cooling water enters the exhaust system. It is a common problem across all engine types for large amounts of carbon the build up here, to the extent it can completely clog the exhaust. It is caused by the change in temperature as the water meets the VERY HOT exhaust gases. Twice recently I have heard of engines actually being stopped by this, one was a Kubota diving a gen set on an Amel, the other was a small Yanmar in a 30 footer. The owner of the Yanmar, a quite skilled home mechanic, had gone to the extent of removing the motor and completely disasembling it before he found the inaccessible exhaust almost completely clogged where the water and hot gasses met.
Food for thought,
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Cruising Fiji

________________________________
From: Miles Bidwell <mailto:mbidwell%40attglobal.net>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 24 June 2013 8:35 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

I have recently been having the same problem with my TMD22. I cannot get
more than about 1700 rpms, but if I stop and then flat stick the throttle,
the autoprop will spin up into the turbo range and then I have (what seems
to be) almost normal power until I let the rpms drop below 2100. The
maximum revs are 2700 instead of the normal 2800 as of last summer; however
the big problem is new this year. Over the winter, I had the fresh water
pump replaced and the injectors checked and adjusted and the turbo replaced.
The autoprop is clean and to make sure, the autoprop people just rebuilt it.
A fixed prop does not solve the issue. I am about to turn to the high
pressure fuel pump. Any suggestions will be most welcome.

Miles, S/Y Ladybug (SM 216) in Newport, RI

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Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Again.
I do commend to the group to check the exhaust mixing elbow  I mentioned for carbon build up. It is relatively easy to remove but take it off the boat to clean the carbon out. You may well find as I did that the casting has eroded to the extent of needing to be replaced. If you are wondering where and what the "mixing elbow" is, it is beside the turbo and is covered with the heat protector. Its purpose in life is to be the entry point to the exhaust system of the cooling water. As I said before this mixing of hot gas and much cooler water causes carbon deposit that can eventually block the exhuast completely, however even any reduction in the volume of this can reduce engine performance significantly so periodic cleaning is beneficial.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl


________________________________
From: Joel F Potter <jfpottercys@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

 
Hello Danny and the propeller problems with fouling and wear and RPM reductions are not exclusive to the Volvo engine installation (and the Perkins Prima which is virtually the same engine). I had a Volvo equipped boat as my first demonstration boat, and then two Yanmar boats that I purchased in succession for use as demonstrators. The Yanmar boats did exactly the same thing with even one gooseneck barnacle on the Autoprop. That, and the fact that I have sold at least 70 used SM 53’s over the years and prepared for every sea trial with a prop inspection and/or cleaning to make sure that proper performance could be demonstrated. The Autoprop is a fine device if it is clean but they have a real Jekell-Hyde character change when dirty.

Your comments on usage and carbon and so forth are right on the money. I have sold boats with 700 hours on the diesel where the motor was never run past about 60% of maximum output. Of course these were smoky and well down on power to the 7000 hour example that was run flat stick frequently and always attempted to be kept in the 75%-90% power range and with otherwise exemplary maintenance. Diesels like to work and protest if they are made to loaf…

I always smile when I see that you are out and about enjoying your Amel the way God and Henri intended. You are a fortunate guy!

All the best,

Joel

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: mailto:jfpottercys%40att.net

From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:16 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Hi All,
It is of note that the problem is exclusive to the TMD 22. If it is a prop problem it beggars belief that no Yanmar equipped boats have trouble with their props. Surely all Yanmar owners do not do a so much better job of keeping any fouling off their propellers?

Also, as I understand the auto prop it automatically adjusts pitch to match power, and torque applied, the load, and boat speed. So the pitch would be different in a fully laden boat with all cruising gear on board, and 600l diesel and 1000 l of water and six persons and luggage aboard, pushing into 20 knots of wind and a chop, compared to an empty boat in flat water with no opposing wind. I would expect the fully laden boat to operate with a lesser pitch to allow revs to be attained, like changing down gears in a car going up a steep hill.

Likewise, if two identical boats, identically laden in identical circumstances, had different diameter propellers, would not the auto prop automatically compensate for this by applying a lesser pitch to the larger prop? It would do this on the boats with the 100hp engines running at less than full power would they not?.

I believe we may find different owners (or past owners) habitual usage of their motors over long periods may well be a factor.. Diesel engines like to work, and work for long periods of time, to get good and hot and burn off accumulated carbon deposits.

Speaking of Carbon deposits. There is a cast iron casting at the end of the exhaust manifold.. This is where the cooling water enters the exhaust system. It is a common problem across all engine types for large amounts of carbon the build up here, to the extent it can completely clog the exhaust. It is caused by the change in temperature as the water meets the VERY HOT exhaust gases. Twice recently I have heard of engines actually being stopped by this, one was a Kubota diving a gen set on an Amel, the other was a small Yanmar in a 30 footer. The owner of the Yanmar, a quite skilled home mechanic, had gone to the extent of removing the motor and completely disasembling it before he found the inaccessible exhaust almost completely clogged where the water and hot gasses met.
Food for thought,
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Cruising Fiji

________________________________
From: Miles Bidwell <mailto:mbidwell%40attglobal.net>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 24 June 2013 8:35 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

I have recently been having the same problem with my TMD22. I cannot get
more than about 1700 rpms, but if I stop and then flat stick the throttle,
the autoprop will spin up into the turbo range and then I have (what seems
to be) almost normal power until I let the rpms drop below 2100. The
maximum revs are 2700 instead of the normal 2800 as of last summer; however
the big problem is new this year. Over the winter, I had the fresh water
pump replaced and the injectors checked and adjusted and the turbo replaced.
The autoprop is clean and to make sure, the autoprop people just rebuilt it.
A fixed prop does not solve the issue. I am about to turn to the high
pressure fuel pump. Any suggestions will be most welcome.

Miles, S/Y Ladybug (SM 216) in Newport, RI

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Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Joel,
thanks for your comments and your last sentence. Yes we are enjoying it and this forum has been a great help in so many ways. We have had Ocean Pearl for nearly five years now had have developed a huge respect for the SM. Yvonne, who demanded that I never ask her to cross oceans when we bought her, now has thousands of miles of ocean crossings under her belt including the big pacific crossing and several NZ to the pacific. That is a testimony to the boat as well as to her courage. Ocean Pearl is incredibly sea kindly and unbelieveably easy to handle in all conditions. When the unexpected squall hits when too much sail is up is when you appreciate it most. I remember leaving Ft Lauderdale on our first time heading north up the East Coast. We had paid a captain to join us for our first time. The day was thundery with squalls, a 30 knotter hit us beam on with full main and headsail, in his words "she just shook herself, laid over comfortably,
accelerated and said OK whats next" No drama, no rounding up. Then so easily we reduced sail in seconds. He was amazed. We continue to be.
 
Not only is she sea kindly but fast. On any ocean passage we have virtually never been overtaken by anything other than a ship.
On an overnighter from St John to St Martin we were sailing through a bunch of other boats when we heard on the VHF "watch out, theres an Amel coming through with someone water skiing behind" 
(There wasn't of course)
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Viti Levu, Fiji
 


________________________________
From: Joel F Potter <jfpottercys@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 28 June 2013 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

 
Hello Danny and the propeller problems with fouling and wear and RPM reductions are not exclusive to the Volvo engine installation (and the Perkins Prima which is virtually the same engine). I had a Volvo equipped boat as my first demonstration boat, and then two Yanmar boats that I purchased in succession for use as demonstrators. The Yanmar boats did exactly the same thing with even one gooseneck barnacle on the Autoprop. That, and the fact that I have sold at least 70 used SM 53’s over the years and prepared for every sea trial with a prop inspection and/or cleaning to make sure that proper performance could be demonstrated. The Autoprop is a fine device if it is clean but they have a real Jekell-Hyde character change when dirty.

Your comments on usage and carbon and so forth are right on the money.. I have sold boats with 700 hours on the diesel where the motor was never run past about 60% of maximum output. Of course these were smoky and well down on power to the 7000 hour example that was run flat stick frequently and always attempted to be kept in the 75%-90% power range and with otherwise exemplary maintenance. Diesels like to work and protest if they are made to loaf…

I always smile when I see that you are out and about enjoying your Amel the way God and Henri intended. You are a fortunate guy!

All the best,

Joel

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: mailto:jfpottercys%40att.net

From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:16 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Hi All,
It is of note that the problem is exclusive to the TMD 22. If it is a prop problem it beggars belief that no Yanmar equipped boats have trouble with their props. Surely all Yanmar owners do not do a so much better job of keeping any fouling off their propellers?

Also, as I understand the auto prop it automatically adjusts pitch to match power, and torque applied, the load, and boat speed. So the pitch would be different in a fully laden boat with all cruising gear on board, and 600l diesel and 1000 l of water and six persons and luggage aboard, pushing into 20 knots of wind and a chop, compared to an empty boat in flat water with no opposing wind. I would expect the fully laden boat to operate with a lesser pitch to allow revs to be attained, like changing down gears in a car going up a steep hill.

Likewise, if two identical boats, identically laden in identical circumstances, had different diameter propellers, would not the auto prop automatically compensate for this by applying a lesser pitch to the larger prop? It would do this on the boats with the 100hp engines running at less than full power would they not?.

I believe we may find different owners (or past owners) habitual usage of their motors over long periods may well be a factor. Diesel engines like to work, and work for long periods of time, to get good and hot and burn off accumulated carbon deposits.

Speaking of Carbon deposits. There is a cast iron casting at the end of the exhaust manifold. This is where the cooling water enters the exhaust system. It is a common problem across all engine types for large amounts of carbon the build up here, to the extent it can completely clog the exhaust. It is caused by the change in temperature as the water meets the VERY HOT exhaust gases. Twice recently I have heard of engines actually being stopped by this, one was a Kubota diving a gen set on an Amel, the other was a small Yanmar in a 30 footer. The owner of the Yanmar, a quite skilled home mechanic, had gone to the extent of removing the motor and completely disasembling it before he found the inaccessible exhaust almost completely clogged where the water and hot gasses met.
Food for thought,
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Cruising Fiji

________________________________
From: Miles Bidwell <mailto:mbidwell%40attglobal.net>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 24 June 2013 8:35 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

I have recently been having the same problem with my TMD22. I cannot get
more than about 1700 rpms, but if I stop and then flat stick the throttle,
the autoprop will spin up into the turbo range and then I have (what seems
to be) almost normal power until I let the rpms drop below 2100. The
maximum revs are 2700 instead of the normal 2800 as of last summer; however
the big problem is new this year. Over the winter, I had the fresh water
pump replaced and the injectors checked and adjusted and the turbo replaced.
The autoprop is clean and to make sure, the autoprop people just rebuilt it.
A fixed prop does not solve the issue. I am about to turn to the high
pressure fuel pump. Any suggestions will be most welcome.

Miles, S/Y Ladybug (SM 216) in Newport, RI

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Re: [Amel] John-- Motor lifting block on mizzen boom

kimberlite@...
 

Thanks
Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: Anne and John Hollamby
Date: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:11 am
Subject: Re: [Amel] John-- Motor lifting block on mizzen boom
To: amelyachtowners@...

Hi Eric,Sorry for the delay, I have checked with the other UK
company, Barton, and it is not in their catalogue so no luck.
Discontinued perhaps? John

From: Sailorman
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:34 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel] John-- Motor lifting block on mizzen boom


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-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anne and John Hollamby
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:33 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] John-- Motor lifting block on mizzen boom

chunk x BG
On 25 Jun 2013 22:37, "Sailorman"
wrote:

**


Hi John,

I thought the block was a lewmar but I could not find it in
the catalog
(it
is Marked England) I also tried Bowman also no luck.

Are you able to find it on the Lewmar site?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anne and John
Hollamby
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:44 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Motor lifting block on mizzen boom

Hi Eric,
It is a small Lewmar block which had been fully disassembled
and only the
sheave perhaps with its bearing and the two cheeks are used.
Regards, John Bali Hai SM 319 Malta

From: Sailorman
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:59 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Amel] Motor lifting block on mizzen boom

Hi,

Does anyone know the maker of the block ( I think it was
originally a
fiddle
block) that Amel uses on the end of mizzen boom to lift the
Outboard out
of
the stern locker ?

I believe it was on later model Amel Super Maramus

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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Re: Yacht Brokers

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

My number one Amel broker choice is Joel Potter in Florida. I believe that he knows Amels better than any living person in the world.
Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126
Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301
Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485
Email: jfpottercys"at"att.net
www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys

However, if you need either an Amel broker or Amel service in the Eastern Med, you should contact Riza at Emek Marin in Gocek, Turkey. Emek has been in business for 3 generations and Riza is the 3rd generation. Emek Marin is a sales and service representative for Amel and Nordhaven brands.

In Gocek Riza has the following:
Berthing at his Amel pontoon
Haulout and hard storage (sub-contracted with D-Marin)
Stainless fabrication
Complete 20,000 sq foot machine shop (fabricate anything)
Painting and Fiberglass technicians also antifouling
Diesel mechanics
Generator mechanics
Electrician
General Maintenance inside the yacht and outside
Chandler (some Amel parts and a great assortment of other parts)

Contact information:
RIZA CAGDAS CAKIR, Chief Operating Officer
EMEK MARIN LTD.STI.
Address: Hurriyet Mah Ataturk Bul.No:1
48310 Gocek/Mugla/TURKEY
Tel: +90 252 645 2468 - 1551
Fax: +90 252 645 2899
Gsm: +90 532 495 6539
e-mail: cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
web: www.emekmarin.com

We have used Riza for a number of things aboard BeBe. He is currently fabricating a beautiful stainless arch/davit with solar panels. This is not a "squared off fabrication"...it has unique curved uprights that not only look good, but are very functional. Riza is 29 years old, speaks perfect English and other languages, and has his Masters in Marine Engineering...he always has a smile on his face and will go out of his way to help an Amel owner.

For Sails and Rigging in Turkey or Europe contact Tahsin Öge at:
QSails & Marine Equipment Ltd.
Ogemar Sails & Marine Equipment Ltd.
Eski Havaalan&#305; Cad. No:188/3 A.O.S.B 35620
Cigli Izmir-TURKEY
T: +90 232 3281629 - 30
F: +90 232 3281712
&#61482; ceren.alan"at"qsails.com
&#61498; &#61472;www.qsails.com
Tashin has fabricated a complete set of 3 Hydranet sails for BeBe. It was not his first SM or Amel. Tashin's sail loft was previously the loft that built many sails for other name brands and shipped them to resell dealers and lofts in Europe. Until recently 95% of his business was export and under name brands such as Hood and Northsails. About 8 months ago and after 25 years in the business Tashin and his family decided to start selling sails direct to yacht owners. About the same time we were looking to replace our Dacron sails with 30k miles of use. Tashin and his family were great to work with...his loft is spotless and very large...and he is an honorable man.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Gocek, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "EdisonR" <roque@...> wrote:

Hi all

This Forum has a lot of info about where to get parts and services all over the world. I've used a lot of them (by the way, Sheri Moon -Trans Atlantic Diesel- said hello to John "Moon Dog" and Joel Potter)

But when someone wants to buy/sell an Amel and reach for us for help, there is almost nothing about Yacht Brokers (with the exception of Joel Potter in USA, who does a great job here in this forum).

A friend wants to sell his SM. And I can only refer him to the Broker who helped me buy my boat. But if his Amel is in another ocean, this won't be helpful. We all will have to let go our Amel sometime in the future. Me too. And we will be facing the same issue.

Maybe we could put together here in this thread our comments about Brokers around the world who are familiar with Amel. Those you know, first hand, that are good professional. Also websites to market, prices of real deals, etc, etc. Anything that will help to sell or buy an Amel.

I don't mean we will guarantee the broker's work, as much as we don't guarantee a parts provider. But we could at least say: "Smith" did a great job selling my former Amel in Germany (or Australia, South America, Turkey...) 2010. You can reach him at....!

So if you think this will be helpful for the group as well as wannabe Amel owners, send your contribution.

Rgds

Roque
Atica
Amel54


Re: [Amel] Re: John-- Motor lifting block on mizzen boom

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi there is a halyard that has it's block at just below the
Mizzen spreader. That is the lifting line it goes over the open block on the mizzen boom.
Bring the dink along the starboard side, move the traveler over and slack the sheet. Drop the line down attach the motor. Lift the motor using the main sheet winch. When it clears the rails swing it back over the aft lazerett and lower. There is a 'block' receiver and a prop well in the floor.
Hope this helps.
You can use the same tactic with man over board rescue.

Regards
Richard Piller
Fairbanks Yacht Group llc
Cell 603 767 5330

On Jun 29, 2013, at 11:52, "islandbwoy4434" <terencesingh@...> wrote:

Can someone please educate me as to how this block is rigged on the Mizzen to hoist an Engine in and out of the rear locker? I am interested in the configuration on the Mizzen mast and which winches are used.

Thanks in advance,

Terry & Dena
Libby. SM#196

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Anne and John Hollamby " <annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Hi Eric,Sorry for the delay, I have checked with the other UK company, Barton, and it is not in their catalogue so no luck. Discontinued perhaps? John

From: Sailorman
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:34 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel] John-- Motor lifting block on mizzen boom


????????????????????

-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne and John Hollamby
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:33 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] John-- Motor lifting block on mizzen boom

chunk x BG
On 25 Jun 2013 22:37, "Sailorman" <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> wrote:

**


Hi John,

I thought the block was a lewmar but I could not find it in the catalog
(it
is Marked England) I also tried Bowman also no luck.

Are you able to find it on the Lewmar site?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne and John
Hollamby
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:44 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Motor lifting block on mizzen boom

Hi Eric,
It is a small Lewmar block which had been fully disassembled and only the
sheave perhaps with its bearing and the two cheeks are used.
Regards, John Bali Hai SM 319 Malta

From: Sailorman
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:59 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Motor lifting block on mizzen boom

Hi,

Does anyone know the maker of the block ( I think it was originally a
fiddle
block) that Amel uses on the end of mizzen boom to lift the Outboard out
of
the stern locker ?

I believe it was on later model Amel Super Maramus

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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Re: [Amel] Yacht Brokers

Luis I. Gonzalez de Vallejo <l_gonzalezvallejo@...>
 

Thanks a lot,
Luis


________________________________



________________________________
De: Christophe Lascombes <c.lascombes@...>
Para: amelyachtowners@...
Enviado: Sábado 29 de junio de 2013 18:20
Asunto: Re: [Amel] Yacht Brokers

 

Hello Luis, hello all,

in South France, Michel Charpentier is the french "Joel Potter".
He knows almost all about Amel boats and when I'all been so far (better say) so "bankable" to buy the Sharki or the Maramu of my dreams, I'll certainly ask first and only Michel Charpentier.
You can reach him here:
http://www.michelcharpentier.com/

MICHEL CHARPENTIER
Le Mexico. B1
Port de Santa Lucia
83700 SAINT-RAPHAEL
Tél. +33 (0)4 94 95 68 44
Fax : +33 (0)4 94 83 89 44
mailto:michel_charpentier%40hotmail.com

Fair winds for all of those who are actually sailing and my deeptes sympathy to those who (like myself!) could not go on the water since last year...

Christophe

****************************************************
LASCOMBES Traductions
Christophe LASCOMBES
Schulstr. 121
D-50767 KÖLN

Tel.: +49 (0) 221 70 99 52 62
Mobil:+49 (0) 172 25 25 864

Internet: www.lascombes.eu

Mitglied der SFT/Membre de la SFT
(Société Française des Traducteurs)

Mitglied der VDS e.V/Membre de la VDS e.V
(Union des Speakers Allemands)
****************************************************

----- Original Message -----
From: Luis I. Gonzalez de Vallejo
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Yacht Brokers

Hello all,
this is a very good idea. I am selling my Amel Mango and I dont know in the Med appropiate broker with is interested in the amels.
Good winds,
Luis
Aloysius Amel Mango

________________________________
De: EdisonR <mailto:roque%40credvapt.com.br>
Para: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Enviado: Sábado 29 de junio de 2013 16:45
Asunto: [Amel] Yacht Brokers

Hi all

This Forum has a lot of info about where to get parts and services all over the world. I've used a lot of them (by the way, Sheri Moon -Trans Atlantic Diesel- said hello to John "Moon Dog" and Joel Potter)

But when someone wants to buy/sell an Amel and reach for us for help, there is almost nothing about Yacht Brokers (with the exception of Joel Potter in USA, who does a great job here in this forum).

A friend wants to sell his SM. And I can only refer him to the Broker who helped me buy my boat. But if his Amel is in another ocean, this won't be helpful. We all will have to let go our Amel sometime in the future. Me too. And we will be facing the same issue.

Maybe we could put together here in this thread our comments about Brokers around the world who are familiar with Amel. Those you know, first hand, that are good professional. Also websites to market, prices of real deals, etc, etc. Anything that will help to sell or buy an Amel.

I don't mean we will guarantee the broker's work, as much as we don't guarantee a parts provider. But we could at least say: "Smith" did a great job selling my former Amel in Germany (or Australia, South America, Turkey...) 2010. You can reach him at....!

So if you think this will be helpful for the group as well as wannabe Amel owners, send your contribution.

Rgds

Roque
Atica
Amel54



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Re: [Amel] Yacht Brokers

Christophe Lascombes <c.lascombes@...>
 

Hello Luis, hello all,

in South France, Michel Charpentier is the french "Joel Potter".
He knows almost all about Amel boats and when I'all been so far (better say) so "bankable" to buy the Sharki or the Maramu of my dreams, I'll certainly ask first and only Michel Charpentier.
You can reach him here:
http://www.michelcharpentier.com/

MICHEL CHARPENTIER
Le Mexico. B1
Port de Santa Lucia
83700 SAINT-RAPHAEL
Tél. +33 (0)4 94 95 68 44
Fax : +33 (0)4 94 83 89 44
michel_charpentier@...

Fair winds for all of those who are actually sailing and my deeptes sympathy to those who (like myself!) could not go on the water since last year...



Christophe


****************************************************
LASCOMBES Traductions
Christophe LASCOMBES
Schulstr. 121
D-50767 KÖLN

Tel.: +49 (0) 221 70 99 52 62
Mobil:+49 (0) 172 25 25 864

Internet: www.lascombes.eu

Mitglied der SFT/Membre de la SFT
(Société Française des Traducteurs)

Mitglied der VDS e.V/Membre de la VDS e.V
(Union des Speakers Allemands)
****************************************************

----- Original Message -----
From: Luis I. Gonzalez de Vallejo
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Yacht Brokers



Hello all,
this is a very good idea. I am selling my Amel Mango and I dont know in the Med appropiate broker with is interested in the amels.
Good winds,
Luis
Aloysius Amel Mango




________________________________
De: EdisonR <roque@...>
Para: amelyachtowners@...
Enviado: Sábado 29 de junio de 2013 16:45
Asunto: [Amel] Yacht Brokers



Hi all

This Forum has a lot of info about where to get parts and services all over the world. I've used a lot of them (by the way, Sheri Moon -Trans Atlantic Diesel- said hello to John "Moon Dog" and Joel Potter)

But when someone wants to buy/sell an Amel and reach for us for help, there is almost nothing about Yacht Brokers (with the exception of Joel Potter in USA, who does a great job here in this forum).

A friend wants to sell his SM. And I can only refer him to the Broker who helped me buy my boat. But if his Amel is in another ocean, this won't be helpful. We all will have to let go our Amel sometime in the future. Me too. And we will be facing the same issue.

Maybe we could put together here in this thread our comments about Brokers around the world who are familiar with Amel. Those you know, first hand, that are good professional. Also websites to market, prices of real deals, etc, etc. Anything that will help to sell or buy an Amel.

I don't mean we will guarantee the broker's work, as much as we don't guarantee a parts provider. But we could at least say: "Smith" did a great job selling my former Amel in Germany (or Australia, South America, Turkey...) 2010. You can reach him at....!

So if you think this will be helpful for the group as well as wannabe Amel owners, send your contribution.

Rgds

Roque
Atica
Amel54

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Re: [Amel] Yacht Brokers

Luis I. Gonzalez de Vallejo <l_gonzalezvallejo@...>
 

Hello  all,
this is a very good idea. I am selling my Amel Mango and I dont know in the Med appropiate broker  with is interested in the amels.
Good winds,
Luis
Aloysius Amel Mango

 


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De: EdisonR <roque@...>
Para: amelyachtowners@...
Enviado: Sábado 29 de junio de 2013 16:45
Asunto: [Amel] Yacht Brokers

 

Hi all

This Forum has a lot of info about where to get parts and services all over the world. I've used a lot of them (by the way, Sheri Moon -Trans Atlantic Diesel- said hello to John "Moon Dog" and Joel Potter)

But when someone wants to buy/sell an Amel and reach for us for help, there is almost nothing about Yacht Brokers (with the exception of Joel Potter in USA, who does a great job here in this forum).

A friend wants to sell his SM. And I can only refer him to the Broker who helped me buy my boat. But if his Amel is in another ocean, this won't be helpful. We all will have to let go our Amel sometime in the future. Me too. And we will be facing the same issue.

Maybe we could put together here in this thread our comments about Brokers around the world who are familiar with Amel. Those you know, first hand, that are good professional. Also websites to market, prices of real deals, etc, etc. Anything that will help to sell or buy an Amel.

I don't mean we will guarantee the broker's work, as much as we don't guarantee a parts provider. But we could at least say: "Smith" did a great job selling my former Amel in Germany (or Australia, South America, Turkey...) 2010. You can reach him at....!

So if you think this will be helpful for the group as well as wannabe Amel owners, send your contribution.

Rgds

Roque
Atica
Amel54




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Generator 8kw

Arca di Noè
 

Hello everyone,

I sell my Paguro generator 220v 8kw soundproofed, almost new, with maintenance handbook and spare parts, The generator is still mounted on the boat and it is ready for any test.
Information and photos sent on request.

Regards

Mango 85 Leghorn Italy


[Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

islandbwoy4434
 

The latest update.
Geoff has requested I perform a sea trial and capture RPM vs boat speed data at 1200 RPM and in increments of 200 RPM aswell as WOT in neutral and WOT in forward and note the RPM's. He will correlate thiis data with the Engine and Transmission specs and provide guidance. Re-pitch or new prop!
I will do this mid July and report back.

Terry&Dena

SV Libby. SM#197

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Joel F Potter" <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Hello Danny and the propeller problems with fouling and wear and RPM reductions are not exclusive to the Volvo engine installation (and the Perkins Prima which is virtually the same engine). I had a Volvo equipped boat as my first demonstration boat, and then two Yanmar boats that I purchased in succession for use as demonstrators. The Yanmar boats did exactly the same thing with even one gooseneck barnacle on the Autoprop. That, and the fact that I have sold at least 70 used SM 53’s over the years and prepared for every sea trial with a prop inspection and/or cleaning to make sure that proper performance could be demonstrated. The Autoprop is a fine device if it is clean but they have a real Jekell-Hyde character change when dirty.



Your comments on usage and carbon and so forth are right on the money. I have sold boats with 700 hours on the diesel where the motor was never run past about 60% of maximum output. Of course these were smoky and well down on power to the 7000 hour example that was run flat stick frequently and always attempted to be kept in the 75%-90% power range and with otherwise exemplary maintenance. Diesels like to work and protest if they are made to loaf…



I always smile when I see that you are out and about enjoying your Amel the way God and Henri intended. You are a fortunate guy!



All the best,

Joel





Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: jfpottercys@...





From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM





Hi All,
It is of note that the problem is exclusive to the TMD 22. If it is a prop problem it beggars belief that no Yanmar equipped boats have trouble with their props. Surely all Yanmar owners do not do a so much better job of keeping any fouling off their propellers?

Also, as I understand the auto prop it automatically adjusts pitch to match power, and torque applied, the load, and boat speed. So the pitch would be different in a fully laden boat with all cruising gear on board, and 600l diesel and 1000 l of water and six persons and luggage aboard, pushing into 20 knots of wind and a chop, compared to an empty boat in flat water with no opposing wind. I would expect the fully laden boat to operate with a lesser pitch to allow revs to be attained, like changing down gears in a car going up a steep hill.

Likewise, if two identical boats, identically laden in identical circumstances, had different diameter propellers, would not the auto prop automatically compensate for this by applying a lesser pitch to the larger prop? It would do this on the boats with the 100hp engines running at less than full power would they not?.

I believe we may find different owners (or past owners) habitual usage of their motors over long periods may well be a factor. Diesel engines like to work, and work for long periods of time, to get good and hot and burn off accumulated carbon deposits.

Speaking of Carbon deposits. There is a cast iron casting at the end of the exhaust manifold. This is where the cooling water enters the exhaust system. It is a common problem across all engine types for large amounts of carbon the build up here, to the extent it can completely clog the exhaust. It is caused by the change in temperature as the water meets the VERY HOT exhaust gases. Twice recently I have heard of engines actually being stopped by this, one was a Kubota diving a gen set on an Amel, the other was a small Yanmar in a 30 footer. The owner of the Yanmar, a quite skilled home mechanic, had gone to the extent of removing the motor and completely disasembling it before he found the inaccessible exhaust almost completely clogged where the water and hot gasses met.
Food for thought,
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Cruising Fiji

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From: Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 24 June 2013 8:35 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


I have recently been having the same problem with my TMD22. I cannot get
more than about 1700 rpms, but if I stop and then flat stick the throttle,
the autoprop will spin up into the turbo range and then I have (what seems
to be) almost normal power until I let the rpms drop below 2100. The
maximum revs are 2700 instead of the normal 2800 as of last summer; however
the big problem is new this year. Over the winter, I had the fresh water
pump replaced and the injectors checked and adjusted and the turbo replaced.
The autoprop is clean and to make sure, the autoprop people just rebuilt it.
A fixed prop does not solve the issue. I am about to turn to the high
pressure fuel pump. Any suggestions will be most welcome.

Miles, S/Y Ladybug (SM 216) in Newport, RI



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