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Re: [Amel] position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?
Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
Colin, What type of switch did you use to switch over all the wiring from one computer to another? There must be at least a dozen wires.
The A/B switch just switches over the drives and the clutches. Not the computers, fluxgate compass, or rudder reference transducer.
I keep my spare course computer , fluxgate compass, and rudder reference computer under my bunk disconnected. It only takes 15 minutes to change over the computer, compass, or rudder reference transducer. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On
Behalf Of Colin Streeter
Next to the other one in the compartment above the sink. Copied the many other Amels that have it there with a flick over Autopilot A and B switch alongside.
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
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Hi, Where did you mount the second autopilot computer? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
On Behalf Of colin.d.streeter@...
Firstly Seasons greetings to the wonderful Amel family out there.
We are keen to find out where your 2nd auto-pilot fluxgate compasses have been located on other Super Maramu's who have the second autopilot fitted.
We had previously fitted a 2nd new pilot and placed the fluxgate under the main bed in the rear cabin but have just pulled it out today as we could never swing and calibrate the 2nd pilot correctly with the fluxgate in that position being so close to the rudder stock etc.
We have it out now and were about to place it in the main saloon next to the aircon duct and other original fluxgate for autopilot 1 but thought it worth asking the group for your comments, experiences with the placement of the 2nd auto pilot fluxgate?
Fair winds
Colin & Lauren Streeter Island Pearl II - sm2k #332 Newport, QLD Australia
I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter.
Colin Streeter 0411 016 445 |
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Re: [Amel] position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?
Next to the other one in the compartment above the sink. Copied the many other Amels that have it there with a flick over Autopilot A and B switch alongside.
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Re: [Amel] position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?
Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
Hi, Where did you mount the second autopilot computer? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On
Behalf Of colin.d.streeter@...
Firstly Seasons greetings to the wonderful Amel family out there.
We are keen to find out where your 2nd auto-pilot fluxgate compasses have been located on other Super Maramu's who have the second autopilot fitted.
We had previously fitted a 2nd new pilot and placed the fluxgate under the main bed in the rear cabin but have just pulled it out today as we could never swing and calibrate the 2nd pilot correctly with the fluxgate in that position being so close to the rudder stock etc.
We have it out now and were about to place it in the main saloon next to the aircon duct and other original fluxgate for autopilot 1 but thought it worth asking the group for your comments, experiences with the placement of the 2nd auto pilot fluxgate?
Fair winds
Colin & Lauren Streeter Island Pearl II - sm2k #332 Newport, QLD Australia |
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position of 2nd fluxgate compass for 2nd Autopilot on Super Maramu?
Firstly Seasons greetings to the wonderful Amel family out there. We are keen to find out where your 2nd auto-pilot fluxgate compasses have been located on other Super Maramu's who have the second autopilot fitted. We had previously fitted a 2nd new pilot and placed the fluxgate under the main bed in the rear cabin but have just pulled it out today as we could never swing and calibrate the 2nd pilot correctly with the fluxgate in that position being so close to the rudder stock etc. We have it out now and were about to place it in the main saloon next to the aircon duct and other original fluxgate for autopilot 1 but thought it worth asking the group for your comments, experiences with the placement of the 2nd auto pilot fluxgate? Fair winds Colin & Lauren Streeter Island Pearl II - sm2k #332 Newport, QLD Australia |
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Re: [Amel] New to group
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Jason, Welcome to our group. I echo what Kent said regarding Joel Potter. BTW, Super Maramu hull #1 sold recently for 130,000 euros in Turkey. Bill BeBe, #387 On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Craig, Thanks for the clarity...and, of course, we will have to wait to see how this is enforced. I think that we will stick with our plan to enter Greece from Turkey in April at some point a distance from Turkey (too many horror stories about those Greek Islands close to Marmaris). If they want more than we think they deserve, we will just say, thanks, but no thanks and move on.
Bill BeBe #387 On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM, <sangaris@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] New to group
Hi Jason. All I will say here is that the SM and I assume all Amels are designed for a couple to live aboard and to sail the seven seas. They are very easy to sail short handed. They are stiff and dry and handle heavy seas with ease. Do contact Joel Potter to help you find a great Amel. There are a number of quirks about Amels that would be foreign to most surveyors...make sure you find a surveyor who is very familiar with these boats. Welcome to the group and good luck with your search. It sounds like you have been bitten by the Amel bug, I'll be surprised if you end up with anything else. Happy New Year to all. Where are you located? Kent SM 243 (1999) KRISTY Brunswick GA USA
On Dec 26, 2013, at 12:19 PM, <jason.ellis@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece
I guess the last thing we should expect from the Greek taxing authority is clarity (or any taxing authority, for that matter!).
If the translation posted on the CA website is accurate it does indeed say in Section 2, “The T.P.P. is calculated on a yearly basis … from January 1st to December 31st”. However, it then says, “and is determined as follows:” “… for boats over 12 meters the TPP per year is 100 euros per meter OR per month, ten euros per meter.” I can see how you could interpret this as being strictly annual, but I interpreted the "OR" to mean you can pay monthly for the time you're in Greek waters. That also seems consistent with Section 5 that says you can pay in December, or either before you enter Greek waters or when you get your Transit Log (or DEKPA for EU boats). So, for example, if Bebe enters Greece in June, she'll get her Transit Log and pay for a month, or however long she says she'll be in Greece. If she stays a month and then decides on longer, she'll just check in elsewhere and pay the next month. If it does mean it's strictly an annual tax, they're tacking on a hefty 20% extra charge for paying by credit card (12 months at 10 Euro per month vs 100 euros for the year.) Which also begs the question of how one would pay for a year on a credit card when entering mid-year - do they keep charging his card after he leaves? That seems too bizarre even for the Greeks.
Will look forward to further info, Rink, from your inquiry, and, of course, it will be helpful to hear from anyone with “feet on the ground”, now that the new year is about here and the tax is in force.
Speaking of which, Happy New Year to all, Craig Briggs, SN#68 |
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New to group
jason.ellis@...
Hello all,
First, let me say I'm a bit nervous posting this message. I don't want to appear to be an outsider barging in on a tight knit group. The conversation here is so much better than over at Cruising Forums. Too many armchair sailors.... OK, here's my story: We are looking to take off and do some long distance cruising in around 6 years. Essentially, we want our son to skip Junior High and travel at that time. I have a good amount of blue water/coastal miles and tons of racing as experience. 99% of the time will be wife, myself and our son. I expect to have additional family or friends along for super long ocean crossings. I'm currently crewing on a Tayana 52 for regular coastal races. I've been sailing wtih this same guy for the last 20 years on his J-37, J-105 and now Tayana. While I really like the Tayana, it just isn't very friendly for shorthanded sailing. My first encounter with the Amel boats was watching the SV Delos videos on YouTube. I started noticing little design features that I really liked. We also looked at a SM 2000 Redline that's here in Houston. I hope that the owner doesn't get offended if he sees this. But the boat looked like it just wasn't maintained very well. Played hard, put up wet. Anyway, it was way out of our current price range. The good news is that I was able to spend some time in it pulling up all of the cushions and hatches and really explore the boat. Some really cool design features. So, I have done a ton of searching on YachtWorld and have a few questions for you all. We are only looking at boats over 45 ft. which leads us to the Mango, Santorin, Maramu and Super Maramu. Are there any model years that you should be wary of? Glass or blister problems? It appears that each successive model got a bit bigger and utilized lessons learnt from the previous model. Anything that we should avoid? I want to purchase within 3-4 years. So, we are planning on regular European trips to go boat hunting across the pond. In general, any advice would be much appreciated. My ears are open and I have no real opinions yet. Thanks for letting me join the group! Jason
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Re: [Amel] RE: Waterline, Boot Stripe and Loaded for Cruising
Stefano Biffi
Tks, enjoy holidays!
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Re: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Rink, That is the way I read the law also. Bill BeBe, #387 On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Rink de Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] RE: Waterline, Boot Stripe and Loaded for Cruising
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
No, I do not. However, I was told that Amel stated that the color is exactly the same as AwlGrip color, "Desert Sand," and that is what I used. Bill BeBe #387
In Houston for the holidays On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 1:34 PM, <cptbiffi@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor
janodanielle
the amel come with a floating ground system.most of them also have a grounding plate for the ssb,when the boat don't have a ssb the grounding plate is connected to the rudder post with the main grounding of the boat.to install a ssb just disconnect this connection and isolate it ,then connect your tuner to the foil you should find in the ad hoc compartment. if you want to keep advantage of the benefits of this elaborate ground system you have to use an isolated supply as in the original amel configuration. an other possibility is to connect the tuner to the foil via ten or so small ceramic capacitors in parallel,this is the electronician trick,the isolated supply is the electrician trick.the capacitors will block any dc current therefore breaking the corrosion loop,but will be transparent to the hf current so the ssb will work fine. a good safety would be to feed the ssb via a double breaker,one side switching thepositive the other the negative,and switching this off as soon as the ssb is not in use. in general,grounding the tuner is enough to make the set working fine,as long as the shield of the coax cable between transceiver and tuner is correctly connected to theconnector and in good shape,if you ground the transceiver,connect this ground at the same place that the tuner,this will avoid some hf loops and the lighting of some devices in the boat,as well as limit the interactions with auto pilot and other things. my set is grounded only at the tuner,and bearaway is known to have good ssb voice connection,and we use the pactor with great success. j.bailliez maramu 175 "bearaway" |
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Re: Waterline, Boot Stripe and Loaded for Cruising
Stefano Biffi
Bill do you have any RAL reference for the desert sand color? Tks and Merry Christmas
Stefano N'EVEREST SM 185 dry in Italy
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Re: [Amel] Standing rig material
Duane Siegfri
Pat,
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First I should tell you I am a structural engineer, not a rigging expert.
You are correct, it is near connections and points of wear, or small radius bends (e.g. swages, spreaders or at the bend in a split backstay) where rigging will generally fail first. Failure at a connection is generally due to corrosion in and near the fittings, so cutting off that bit plus a good margin would get rid of the length weakened by corrosion. However, when stainless corrodes it becomes pitted and these pits can set up a galvanic cell that may cause corrosion away from the connection. You may not see this corrosion away from the connection if it is on the inside of the individual wires.
Because it is difficult to assess old rigging wire replaced due to visible corrosion, I would only use the wire as an emergency repair, not as the permanent rig material. In the case of Stephanie's boat, she was convinced the rigging was in good condition so I encouraged them to keep it for future use.
Duane
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From: Patrick Mcaneny To: amelyachtowners Sent: Tue, Dec 24, 2013 7:36 am Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material Duane, I replaced my rigging on my main mast two years ago and I saved the old rigging. I also have old rigging from a previous boat. I have always read that the weak point in the rigging is just above or below the swages. If that's the case, could one cut a couple of feet off both ends and the wire safely used again. This is something I have wondered about and have held onto old rigging in case it could be of some use to someone.
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From: carlylelk <carlylelk@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material There is no issue with recycled steel, the majority of steel produced has a recycled steel component, that has nohting to do with quality. Like everything else is it is all in how you make it, and the quality control put into it.
I have heard that some Chinese products are of poor quality, not debating that. Just thought you should separate the two issues.
I'm in the steel industry.
Duane
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From: Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 8:44 am Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material Just a comment: i think all of the chinese stainless steel is from recycled material, whereas what we should be using is material that is new manufacture.
Fair Winds!
Stephanie DiBelardino SM 2000 353, as yet to be re-named
Lying Stuart, FL
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Re: [Amel] Standing rig material
Patrick McAneny
Duane, I replaced my rigging on my main mast two years ago and I saved the old rigging. I also have old rigging from a previous boat. I have always read that the weak point in the rigging is just above or below the swages. If that's the case, could one cut a couple of feet off both ends and the wire safely used again. This is something I have wondered about and have held onto old rigging in case it could be of some use to someone.
Thanks, Pat SM #123
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From: carlylelk To: amelyachtowners Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material There is no issue with recycled steel, the majority of steel produced has a recycled steel component, that has nohting to do with quality. Like everything else is it is all in how you make it, and the quality control put into it.
I have heard that some Chinese products are of poor quality, not debating that. Just thought you should separate the two issues.
I'm in the steel industry.
Duane
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 8:44 am Subject: Re: [Amel] Standing rig material Just a comment: i think all of the chinese stainless steel is from recycled material, whereas what we should be using is material that is new manufacture.
Fair Winds!
Stephanie DiBelardino SM 2000 353, as yet to be re-named
Lying Stuart, FL
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Re: Cruising tax in Greece
Rink De Haan
Hi Craig,
I hope you are right. The way I interpret the bill is that if you are staying in Greek waters for a year, you are allowed to pay per month. Maybe that's the wrong interpretation. I'll try to get some additional information from our embassy in Athens. Rink |
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Re: [Amel] Amel design and engineering practices
Dimitris Krassopoulos <dkra@...>
I agree with you Bill, no changes as everything can go wrong if you not leave enough time to understand the ideas behind every installation.
Best Regards and Merry Christmas
Dimitris
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Bill & Judy Rouse
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 4:34 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel] Amel design and engineering practices
Waverider,
Two cents from me, and probably not worth much.
This Amel Owners Group is not like Cruisers Forum where you will experience vigorous debates from people that have read every book printed about sailing, but have not left their armchair in 10 years.
This group is comprised of owners of sailboats conceived and manufactured by a real visionary, Henri Amel. For the most part, members of this group respect Amel's designs and over the years we have learned that The Captain (Henri Amel) was correct 99% of the time. I do not believe any other builder can claim this feat.
I am telling you this with utmost respect of you. You will make yourself look foolish to the members of this group by blindly criticizing the Captain's design...and in most cases (99%), you will be wrong. Believe me, you are blind until you own an Amel...once you are an owner, a new universe of design and engineering will be experienced by you. There are many of us who have challenged one of the Captain's idea, and regretted it later when we begin to understand. I am in that group.
One word of advice when you get your Amel: Don't change anything for at least a year...and when looking for an Amel be wary of any Amel with extensive changes...you can only know why if you own an Amel. If you disagree with this, do not buy an Amel...you will be sorry.
I sincerely hope that you will join the rest of us as an owner of an Amel, because I believe you will be a frequent participant in our discussions...you will benefit and we will benefit from you.
If you want one of the best used Amels available, contact Joel Potter in Ft. Lauderdale.
I hope this helps you and really hope that I have not offended you.
Bill BeBe, SM 387 Currently in Fethiye, Turkey
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
Yes , That’s Bill Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of David Pawley
Sorry eric, I am so use to Active, Neutral. Earth as shore supply (In Aus), when I work on ships I am more familiar with Phase to Phase voltage. I am boatless, I do not have a Amel, I would love to change that, but anyhow on another forum there was a lively debate on some short comings of ABYC and advantage of Isolating transformers. I find the opinions interesting and incredibly informative, I would like to know more about the Amel system. Is your Bill Seifert the author of a book called, Offshore Sailing: 200 Essential Passagemaking Tips. Cheers Waverider
On 23 December 2013 02:17, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
Waverider, Where is the neutral hooked up to an Amel?
When you hook up an Amel to a European plug there is a blue, brown, and green/yellow wire. The brown and blue together are 220 volts. The green yellow is the ground . There is No Neutral as in USA connections IE- the white.
When you hook up your boat to a USA 50 amp plug. The black and red are connected to the blue and brown and the green is connected to the green /yellow. The white(neutral) is not used. Unless your boat is wired differently from mine there is no neutral used on USA wiring and there is no available neutral on the European plugs as they only have 3 prongs.
With ABYC standards, I have a list somewhere written by Bill Seifert who was the project Manager of The Tartan Factory, The J Boat factory, and finally the Alden Factory, listing the factors that do not allow the Amel to be ABYC standard. The first one that comes to mind is that there is no dip tube in the fuel tank, Amel takes the fuel off the bottom. If I recall the mast and rigging are also not bonded, the color coding of the wiring is not ABYC standard and If I remember correctly there were about 20 other things which I ignored. The Amels are CE approved Group A, not ABYC . They are also not ORC class one approved unless you have one a lot of work to the boat after delivery. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of David Pawley
What do you have issue with,? I have a little problem with Eric saying there is no Neutral on the shore power. Other than that, If its the issue about ABYC being somehow at variance with Amel practice for good reason. he may not be able to even if he were qualified. Remember Amel complied with Euro practice. Anyhow please accept what he says as a opinion, but there would be plenty others who would agree, its mainly related with issues of accelerated Electrolytic action/shore power/ABYC boats. Waverider apoligies to eric.
On 22 December 2013 12:41, <carlylelk@...> wrote:
Is there a treatise on this topic available to review?
Duane -----Original Message-----
There is no Neutral on the Amel shore power. The engine and Generator have a floating ground. In other words the motors are only connected to the boat ground when they are starting.
All the other gear on the Amel is connected together with a green and yellow wire which is connected to ithe rudder stock and the two zincs on the ruder. The amel does not conform to AYC standards for a number of good reasons. Fair winds eric
I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter.
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Re: [Amel] Standing rig material
Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
The original rigging was not on the boat. But thank you for the heads up on that bit of info. Stephanie DiBelardino
On Dec 23, 2013, at 10:50 PM, carlylelk@... wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Standing rig material
Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
Yes, the galley is small but functional. On our Santorin, the original owner had the single berth in the aft passageway removed and converted to closed bin storage and topped off with a shelf that has a deep front guard so anything that is there is secure. Lots of storage. Fair winds Stephanie DiBelardino
On Dec 24, 2013, at 12:18 AM, Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...> wrote:
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