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Re: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?

kimberlite@...
 

what engine do you have?
eric

----- Original Message -----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar
Date: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:51 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?
To: amelyachtowners@...

Thank you so much Eric! Really appreciate the info!
Any other parts I should really have?
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Thu, 8/29/13, Sailorman wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, August 29, 2013, 5:34 PM


























Alexandre,



You will probably never need the bearings for the lower unit
on the bow

thruster. If you do they are standard metric bearings.



However there is a shaft that connects to the prop in the
bowthruster that

you might want to have, it is available only from amel and
is mae of some

sort of fiberglass type material.



Fair Winds



Eric



Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



_____



From: amelyachtowners@...

[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
On Behalf Of Ann-Sofie Svanberg

Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:46 AM

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?



There is no problem to write in english to Maud.



/Annsofie

S/Y Lady Annila

SM232 in Portugal, prepairing to cross the Atlantic



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29 aug 2013 kl. 02:30 skrev "Alexandre Uster von
Baar" >
:


Thanks for the info John, I do feel bad asking for part
dimensions and not

order these from Amel. But on the other hand will admit I
still have not

digested the fact Amel (Martinique) charged me 462 Euro last
November (which

was about $600) for the Jabsco electric toilet pump, while I
later find

these for $250. I understand they need to make profit, but
this is greed...

Thanks again, sill contact Maud (in French), if the
price are too high,

will try in English!!!

Have a great evening, Alexandre
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/28/13, jsrogers47 >
wrote:
Subject: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?
To: amelyachtowners@...


Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 6:55 PM
Hi Alexandre. I ordered a set of bow thruster
seals from Maud by emailing her at Amelsav@...
Of

course, you may write to her in french. Just tell her
your

hull number and she will give you a price. I did not
get

bearings from her, but I imagine she could help with
that as

well.
--- In amelyachtowners@...
,

"Alex" wrote:
Does any one know for sure the bearing sizes for
the

bow thruster?
I want to stock on spare parts.
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA


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Re: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thank you so much Eric! Really appreciate the info!
Any other parts I should really have?
Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 8/29/13, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, August 29, 2013, 5:34 PM
















 









Alexandre,



You will probably never need the bearings for the lower unit
on the bow

thruster. If you do they are standard metric bearings.



However there is a shaft that connects to the prop in the
bowthruster that

you might want to have, it is available only from amel and
is mae of some

sort of fiberglass type material.



Fair Winds



Eric



Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



_____



From: amelyachtowners@...

[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
On Behalf Of Ann-Sofie Svanberg

Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:46 AM

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?



There is no problem to write in english to Maud.



/Annsofie

S/Y Lady Annila

SM232 in Portugal, prepairing to cross the Atlantic



Skickat från min iPad



29 aug 2013 kl. 02:30 skrev "Alexandre Uster von
Baar" <uster@...

<mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> >:



> Thanks for the info John, I do feel bad asking for part
dimensions and not

order these from Amel. But on the other hand will admit I
still have not

digested the fact Amel (Martinique) charged me 462 Euro last
November (which

was about $600) for the Jabsco electric toilet pump, while I
later find

these for $250. I understand they need to make profit, but
this is greed...

> Thanks again, sill contact Maud (in French), if the
price are too high,

will try in English!!!

> Have a great evening, Alexandre

>

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Re: [Amel] Re: Preparing for Maintenance.

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

I use the nylon bolts they are great.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Preparing for Maintenance.





"> I read that some have put a zerk fitting, I can only find stainless one
and can't find aluminum. (housing is aluminum) Any suggestion on a source.?"

I like the idea of not using a grease nipple (zerk fitting) but instead
using nylon screws. At service time remove the screws and lube using the
adaptor or fitting from the AutoProp and a grease gun.

Best regards,

Mark

SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us






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Re: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

Alexandre,

You will probably never need the bearings for the lower unit on the bow
thruster. If you do they are standard metric bearings.

However there is a shaft that connects to the prop in the bowthruster that
you might want to have, it is available only from amel and is mae of some
sort of fiberglass type material.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Ann-Sofie Svanberg
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?





There is no problem to write in english to Maud.

/Annsofie
S/Y Lady Annila
SM232 in Portugal, prepairing to cross the Atlantic

Skickat från min iPad

29 aug 2013 kl. 02:30 skrev "Alexandre Uster von Baar" <uster@...
<mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> >:

Thanks for the info John, I do feel bad asking for part dimensions and not
order these from Amel. But on the other hand will admit I still have not
digested the fact Amel (Martinique) charged me 462 Euro last November (which
was about $600) for the Jabsco electric toilet pump, while I later find
these for $250. I understand they need to make profit, but this is greed...
Thanks again, sill contact Maud (in French), if the price are too high,
will try in English!!!
Have a great evening, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/28/13, jsrogers47 <jsrogers@...
<mailto:jsrogers%40charter.net> > wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 6:55 PM


























Hi Alexandre. I ordered a set of bow thruster
seals from Maud by emailing her at Amelsav@...
<mailto:Amelsav%40amel.fr> Of
course, you may write to her in french. Just tell her your
hull number and she will give you a price. I did not get
bearings from her, but I imagine she could help with that as
well.



--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Alex" <uster@...> wrote:

Does any one know for sure the bearing sizes for the
bow thruster?

I want to stock on spare parts.
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA

























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Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Miles:

While this may be too obvious to even mention, I thought I would pass it along. At one time I could not develop full power from my 75 hp Yanmar, I found that the fuel shut off valve int he quarter-berth companionway have been accidentally partially closed, causing a partial fuel starvation situation. Just eyeballing it didn't seem to show it closed but as I pulled (or pushed, I forget which action) on the handle the valve opened and the engine fully regained power.

Glad to hear you are getting a handle on your problem.

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 335

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Miles Bidwell" <mbidwell@...> wrote:

Hello all,



I turns out that my problems are caused by an air leak. Today, the mechanic
ran the boat with the fuel lines directly into a can of fuel and it went
straight up to 2900 and then dropped back to 2800, as it had done in 1998
when it was new. A few weeks ago, I heard about someone who bought a used
Amel and could not get over 5 knots. His hull was clean but a marine garden
was growing under his wing. He cleaned it a fixed the problem. I
understand that anything is possible, but if Amel did put the wrong prop on
a boat, it is hard to imagine that they, or the owner going through the Amel
week long boot camp, would not have noticed. Amel runs these boats before
delivery so that things like the first oil change, etc., have all been done
before the owner gets the boat.

If any boat with the TMD22 will not get to 2800, something is wrong.

Good luck to all. Now, all I have to do is to find the source of the air
leak.



Miles (Ladybug, sm216) Newport, RI





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Re: Autoprop for sale

Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

We are re-powering our Super Maramu and are required to replace our current prop to get the Yanmar Factory warranty. As such we have our current prop for sale. It is an Autoprop H6-566LH. The prop will fit on a 35MM shaft. The prop was last service July 2012 and is ready to go. Autoprop in Rhode Island inspected the prop and could see nothing wrong. This is the same prop use on the 75HP and 110HP Yanmar
If interested please contact us at 941-323-7838. Cost is less than half a new one

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM#362
Currently in Newport, RI


Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Alan,
we are still in Fiji, heading for Vila Vanuatu about the 9th Sept, weather permitting. Wouldf be great to catch up with yopu and see ypur new boat.
regards
Danny and Yvonne
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Fiji


________________________________
From: alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k <divanz620@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013 2:56 PM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


 

Hi Danny, thanks for your thoughts, I have been careful with the engine load by bringing the throttle up until the engine doesn't rev anymore and then backing off.
I'll clean the prop next.

Where are you now ? Vanuatu ?
I've left Elyse in Vila again and will be back in 5 weeks to go to New Cal and then to NZ.

Cheers
Alan

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Alan, all us owners of TMD22 Volvos are grateful to you, its not just our volvo. If you have been stationary for any time in the 4 months since the clean your prop will be dirty and as Joel Potter has eloquently explained any fouling affects the pitch of the prop, it can only work effectively clean. Black smoke often is caused by overloading, dirty prop=wrong pitch=possible overload. If it is low revs caused by wrong pitch caused by fouling that 100hp Yanmar is putting an awful lot of load on your gearbox and transmission as it tries to get up to revs, like driving a car with the brakes on
Cheers
Danny 


________________________________
From: alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k <divanz620@...>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013 12:19 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


 

we too have the same issue with Yanmar 100hp

It will go to 1900/2000 rpm no problem and in slight seas maybe 2200, but no more...

It is possible that the autoprop is dirty ..hasn't been cleaned for 4 months...and we also have the issue of black smoke (don't see it) that fouls the hull, and is a devil to get off.

We motored 50+ hours on our last passage and the black stain is still there despite lots of cleaning....

In my experience...black smoke = fouled injectors, dirty air filter....or over pitched prop....I 'm sure I don't have the first two...but I don't understand how an autoprop can be over pitched...????

mystified...

Alan

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:

Hi all, Miles, is correct and yes 2800 is what we get at full that is Amels settings. Should you be Having problems getting there they can be many fold.. Most of them come from well minded persons who do or may not understand our yachts.
A good service person will collect facts first then sort out issues.
Running the boat at the dock is not a suggested means of testing the engine/prop. You need to have the boat underway.
On "older" boats ck for air and pressure leaks in the fuel system especially if you've have done work on the injection system. Air leaks can and do occur before you get fuel leaks. Keep it simple first.
Good luck to ALL

Regards
Capt Richard Piller
Fairbanks Yacht Group llc
Full brokerage and service for all yachts
Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 27, 2013, at 13:53, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@> wrote:


Good afternoon MIle,

I agree this is hard to believe the Super Maramu could not exceed 2200 rpm out of the factory...

Were you ever able to reach 2800 rpm?

Last november had antifooling done and prop clean, tied at the dock the engine would reach 2500 rpm, but only 2200 rpm at sea...
2 weeks ago, I cleaned the turbo, prop was cleaned (not the hull) same thing: 2500 rpm tied to the dock and only 2200 rpm at sea...

Seems to be the same for so many people...
What do we do wrong?

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 8/27/13, Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:37 PM


























Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over
propped as it came

from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the
boat.



I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that
the engine and

prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and
push the boat at

hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea
conditions. The idea of

governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to
move down the

torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self
adjusting ability and

increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having
mysterious problems with

the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel
pump. If the

motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is
clean with smooth

bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is
very clean.

Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you
for unnecessary

work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

There is no problem to write in english to Maud.

/Annsofie
S/Y Lady Annila
SM232 in Portugal, prepairing to cross the Atlantic

Skickat från min iPad

29 aug 2013 kl. 02:30 skrev "Alexandre Uster von Baar" <uster@...>:

Thanks for the info John, I do feel bad asking for part dimensions and not order these from Amel. But on the other hand will admit I still have not digested the fact Amel (Martinique) charged me 462 Euro last November (which was about $600) for the Jabsco electric toilet pump, while I later find these for $250. I understand they need to make profit, but this is greed...
Thanks again, sill contact Maud (in French), if the price are too high, will try in English!!!
Have a great evening, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/28/13, jsrogers47 <jsrogers@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 6:55 PM


























Hi Alexandre. I ordered a set of bow thruster
seals from Maud by emailing her at Amelsav@... Of
course, you may write to her in french. Just tell her your
hull number and she will give you a price. I did not get
bearings from her, but I imagine she could help with that as
well.



--- In amelyachtowners@...,
"Alex" <uster@...> wrote:

Does any one know for sure the bearing sizes for the
bow thruster?

I want to stock on spare parts.
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA


























[Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Danny, thanks for your thoughts, I have been careful with the engine load by bringing the throttle up until the engine doesn't rev anymore and then backing off.
I'll clean the prop next.

Where are you now ? Vanuatu ?
I've left Elyse in Vila again and will be back in 5 weeks to go to New Cal and then to NZ.

Cheers
Alan

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Alan, all us owners of TMD22 Volvos are grateful to you, its not just our volvo. If you have been stationary for any time in the 4 months since the clean your prop will be dirty and as Joel Potter has eloquently explained any fouling affects the pitch of the prop, it can only work effectively clean. Black smoke often is caused by overloading, dirty prop=wrong pitch=possible overload. If it is low revs caused by wrong pitch caused by fouling that 100hp Yanmar is putting an awful lot of load on your gearbox and transmission as it tries to get up to revs, like driving a car with the brakes on
Cheers
Danny 


________________________________
From: alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k <divanz620@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013 12:19 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


 

we too have the same issue with Yanmar 100hp

It will go to 1900/2000 rpm no problem and in slight seas maybe 2200, but no more...

It is possible that the autoprop is dirty ..hasn't been cleaned for 4 months...and we also have the issue of black smoke (don't see it) that fouls the hull, and is a devil to get off.

We motored 50+ hours on our last passage and the black stain is still there despite lots of cleaning....

In my experience...black smoke = fouled injectors, dirty air filter....or over pitched prop....I 'm sure I don't have the first two...but I don't understand how an autoprop can be over pitched..????

mystified...

Alan

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:

Hi all, Miles, is correct and yes 2800 is what we get at full that is Amels settings. Should you be Having problems getting there they can be many fold. Most of them come from well minded persons who do or may not understand our yachts.
A good service person will collect facts first then sort out issues.
Running the boat at the dock is not a suggested means of testing the engine/prop. You need to have the boat underway.
On "older" boats ck for air and pressure leaks in the fuel system especially if you've have done work on the injection system. Air leaks can and do occur before you get fuel leaks. Keep it simple first.
Good luck to ALL

Regards
Capt Richard Piller
Fairbanks Yacht Group llc
Full brokerage and service for all yachts
Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 27, 2013, at 13:53, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@> wrote:


Good afternoon MIle,

I agree this is hard to believe the Super Maramu could not exceed 2200 rpm out of the factory...

Were you ever able to reach 2800 rpm?

Last november had antifooling done and prop clean, tied at the dock the engine would reach 2500 rpm, but only 2200 rpm at sea...
2 weeks ago, I cleaned the turbo, prop was cleaned (not the hull) same thing: 2500 rpm tied to the dock and only 2200 rpm at sea...

Seems to be the same for so many people...
What do we do wrong?

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 8/27/13, Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:37 PM


























Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over
propped as it came

from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the
boat.



I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that
the engine and

prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and
push the boat at

hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea
conditions. The idea of

governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to
move down the

torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self
adjusting ability and

increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having
mysterious problems with

the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel
pump. If the

motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is
clean with smooth

bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is
very clean.

Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you
for unnecessary

work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)
































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Kent,

Yes it used to go up to 2800 when it was put back in the water in April...all antifouled and cleaned, the prop had been off an serviced. Engine checked etc...all was well....
The low rpm issue has only just started...and that after the boat has been sitting still for months...I think it must be a dirty prop.


Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM2K#437

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

There are some great threads from a few years ago regarding low rpm. Heres a list of all the things I can remember that were checked when I was investigating: Growth on hull or prop, autoprop that needs refurbishing...Fuel tank valve, lines, 2 filters, pump (some engines have a lift pump and hi press pump), injectors...air intake clogged, bad turbo, clogged exhaust (especially the elbow), bad cylinder/piston, timing wrong...what have I left out?
We're you able to get 2800+ rpm in the past?

I'd start with prop, fuel filters and Turbo/exhaust elbow. You are the first one I remember with low rpm and 100 HP Yanmar. I'll be interested to hear what you find.
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:19 AM, "alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k" <divanz620@...> wrote:

we too have the same issue with Yanmar 100hp

It will go to 1900/2000 rpm no problem and in slight seas maybe 2200, but no more...

It is possible that the autoprop is dirty ..hasn't been cleaned for 4 months...and we also have the issue of black smoke (don't see it) that fouls the hull, and is a devil to get off.

We motored 50+ hours on our last passage and the black stain is still there despite lots of cleaning....

In my experience...black smoke = fouled injectors, dirty air filter....or over pitched prop....I 'm sure I don't have the first two...but I don't understand how an autoprop can be over pitched..????

mystified...

Alan

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:

Hi all, Miles, is correct and yes 2800 is what we get at full that is Amels settings. Should you be Having problems getting there they can be many fold. Most of them come from well minded persons who do or may not understand our yachts.
A good service person will collect facts first then sort out issues.
Running the boat at the dock is not a suggested means of testing the engine/prop. You need to have the boat underway.
On "older" boats ck for air and pressure leaks in the fuel system especially if you've have done work on the injection system. Air leaks can and do occur before you get fuel leaks. Keep it simple first.
Good luck to ALL

Regards
Capt Richard Piller
Fairbanks Yacht Group llc
Full brokerage and service for all yachts
Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 27, 2013, at 13:53, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@> wrote:


Good afternoon MIle,

I agree this is hard to believe the Super Maramu could not exceed 2200 rpm out of the factory...

Were you ever able to reach 2800 rpm?

Last november had antifooling done and prop clean, tied at the dock the engine would reach 2500 rpm, but only 2200 rpm at sea...
2 weeks ago, I cleaned the turbo, prop was cleaned (not the hull) same thing: 2500 rpm tied to the dock and only 2200 rpm at sea...

Seems to be the same for so many people...
What do we do wrong?

Alexandre

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On Tue, 8/27/13, Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:37 PM


























Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over
propped as it came

from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the
boat.



I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that
the engine and

prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and
push the boat at

hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea
conditions. The idea of

governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to
move down the

torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self
adjusting ability and

increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having
mysterious problems with

the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel
pump. If the

motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is
clean with smooth

bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is
very clean.

Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you
for unnecessary

work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)
































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Re: Preparing for Maintenance.

Mark Erdos
 

"> I read that some have put a zerk fitting, I can only find stainless one
and can't find aluminum. (housing is aluminum) Any suggestion on a source.?"



I like the idea of not using a grease nipple (zerk fitting) but instead
using nylon screws. At service time remove the screws and lube using the
adaptor or fitting from the AutoProp and a grease gun.



Best regards,



Mark



SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


Re: Preparing for Maintenance.

Mark Erdos
 

"> Open the genoa furler gear/motor case and grease it - Suggestion on a
grease people like.anybody think INOX MX4 or INOX 8 is overkill"



I would suggest the grease used on the AutoProp. If it is good enough for
the prop, it is certainly good enough for furler gear above the waterline:
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx/Wheel-Bearing-Greas
e-14-oz/_/R-SLRSL3110_0006410094



Best regards,



Mark



SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Mark Erdos
 

Miles,



Can you explain the procedure the mechanic used to determine this please.
Did he bypass the fuel tank?

If so, at what point? I am curious for future reference. Thanks.





Best regards,



Mark



SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us


Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Miles thanks for the up date smooth sailing.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 28, 2013, at 21:47, "Miles Bidwell" <mbidwell@...> wrote:

Hello all,

I turns out that my problems are caused by an air leak. Today, the mechanic
ran the boat with the fuel lines directly into a can of fuel and it went
straight up to 2900 and then dropped back to 2800, as it had done in 1998
when it was new. A few weeks ago, I heard about someone who bought a used
Amel and could not get over 5 knots. His hull was clean but a marine garden
was growing under his wing. He cleaned it a fixed the problem. I
understand that anything is possible, but if Amel did put the wrong prop on
a boat, it is hard to imagine that they, or the owner going through the Amel
week long boot camp, would not have noticed. Amel runs these boats before
delivery so that things like the first oil change, etc., have all been done
before the owner gets the boat.

If any boat with the TMD22 will not get to 2800, something is wrong.

Good luck to all. Now, all I have to do is to find the source of the air
leak.

Miles (Ladybug, sm216) Newport, RI


Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
 

Hello all,



I turns out that my problems are caused by an air leak. Today, the mechanic
ran the boat with the fuel lines directly into a can of fuel and it went
straight up to 2900 and then dropped back to 2800, as it had done in 1998
when it was new. A few weeks ago, I heard about someone who bought a used
Amel and could not get over 5 knots. His hull was clean but a marine garden
was growing under his wing. He cleaned it a fixed the problem. I
understand that anything is possible, but if Amel did put the wrong prop on
a boat, it is hard to imagine that they, or the owner going through the Amel
week long boot camp, would not have noticed. Amel runs these boats before
delivery so that things like the first oil change, etc., have all been done
before the owner gets the boat.

If any boat with the TMD22 will not get to 2800, something is wrong.

Good luck to all. Now, all I have to do is to find the source of the air
leak.



Miles (Ladybug, sm216) Newport, RI


Re: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks for the info John, I do feel bad asking for part dimensions and not order these from Amel. But on the other hand will admit I still have not digested the fact Amel (Martinique) charged me 462 Euro last November (which was about $600) for the Jabsco electric toilet pump, while I later find these for $250. I understand they need to make profit, but this is greed...
Thanks again, sill contact Maud (in French), if the price are too high, will try in English!!!
Have a great evening, Alexandre


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On Wed, 8/28/13, jsrogers47 <jsrogers@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 6:55 PM
















 









Hi Alexandre. I ordered a set of bow thruster
seals from Maud by emailing her at Amelsav@... Of
course, you may write to her in french. Just tell her your
hull number and she will give you a price. I did not get
bearings from her, but I imagine she could help with that as
well.



--- In amelyachtowners@...,
"Alex" <uster@...> wrote:

>

> Does any one know for sure the bearing sizes for the
bow thruster?

> I want to stock on spare parts.

>

> Thanks in advance.

> Sincerely, Alexandre

> SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

> Seabrook, Texas, USA

>


Re: Preparing for Maintenance.

jsrogers47 <jsrogers@...>
 

Regarding your fuel gauge stick, I ordered a replacement from Maud at Amel (sav@...) and I came rather quickly by Federal Express in a long tube. Reference you model and hull number in your email.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "eric" <ericmeury@...> wrote:

We are heading to the boat in early October after a trip to visit my future father in law in Budapest.

Since my Marina is in the middle of NoWhere Virginia with virtually no stores in close driving distance I am putting together a list of jobs big and small.
Bob Rossi – put together an excellent list and I am using that as a base, just want to get some other ideas and suggestions as I went along. The bow thruster seals were done when I bought the boat.
Here is my todo list

Replace anemometer bearing

Change Engine Oil

Replace hose attached to thermostat housing

Has Anybody replaced the Drain Plug for the Engine coolant with a Valve of some kind. Changing the fluid is a real mess and I would think a valve there of some kind would be useful as I could just attach a hose to a barb fitting on the end when I drained it next time?

I am missing the "stick" that goes in the fuel filler – any ideas on replacement

Open the genoa furler gear/motor case and grease it - Suggestion on a grease people like…anybody think INOX MX4 or INOX 8 is overkill…

I read that some have put a zerk fitting, I can only find stainless one and can't find aluminum. (housing is aluminum) Any suggestion on a source.?

I am replacing the batteries - going to replace with exactly the same size and brand that is currently in the boat

Anybody know what t model the PSA is on the Santorin. I know it is a Motorola - which model.


Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?

jsrogers47 <jsrogers@...>
 

Hi Alexandre. I ordered a set of bow thruster seals from Maud by emailing her at Amelsav@... Of course, you may write to her in french. Just tell her your hull number and she will give you a price. I did not get bearings from her, but I imagine she could help with that as well.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Alex" <uster@...> wrote:

Does any one know for sure the bearing sizes for the bow thruster?
I want to stock on spare parts.

Thanks in advance.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA


[Amel] Re: Volvo TMD22 max rpm

islandbwoy4434
 

I am traveling right now and don't have the invoice to hand, but I believe it was under $200.00 for the "machining' of the blades.

Hope this helps.

SV Libby
SM#196
San Diego

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:

Good morning Terry ?

Thank you so much for the info on the cost.

How about the cost to repitch the blade?

Thanks in advance.

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On Mon, 8/26/13, islandbwoy4434 <terencesingh@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo TMD22 max rpm
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, August 26, 2013, 8:49 AM
















 









Alexandre, here is what I paid.



On visual inspection It does need a new bearing kit. All
3-blades bearings are worn & the blades loose on the hub.

Cost for Bearing Kit - $851.83. Includes new bearings,
Tamper proof plugs, Tab Washers, Expanding nut & bolt, zinc
& shaft nut Locking Bolt & VC-3.

Labour for Bearing replacement & pitch change - $367.50.

Total - $1219.33



--- In amelyachtowners@...,
Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@> wrote:

>

> Thanks Dena and ? Islandboy for the info!

> More and more it seems the new prop wil lbe
required...

>

> Just out of curiosity, how much was the total work on
the H6 Auto Prop?

>

> Sincerely, Alexandre

>

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> On Wed, 8/21/13, islandbwoy4434
<terencesingh@> wrote:

>

> Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo TMD22 max rpm

> To: amelyachtowners@...

> Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2013, 4:35 PM

>

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> My two cents worth after exhaustive analysis of
low

> max RPM's.

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> Dena and I have owned Libby #196 for 18 months.

>

> We were never able to get more that 2000 RPM's @
6.5

> knots out of the TMD22 with an H6 AutoProp.

>

> Replaced the Turbo, checked engine and transmission
RPM with

> optical Tach at 100RPM intervals both stationary at
the dock

> and sea trial.

>

> Cleaned exhaust elbow, checked fuel system, and a host
of

> other suggestions as noted in my thread.

>

> Consulted with AB Marine and Bruntons and provided
tons of

> empirical data.

>

> David Sheppard provided Geoff Prior of AB Marine a
new

> profile for the Prop.

>

> Prop also received a full service including new
bearings.

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> Prop was re-fitted last week.

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> New results.

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> Max RPM's 3000 @ 9 Knots+

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> 2500 RPM's @ 7.5knots

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> Very happy that I can now run the TMD22 at a point
where the

> Turbo is actually working.

>

> Not sure why the H6 was pitched that way it was and
supplied

> to Amel.

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> --- In amelyachtowners@...,

> "Graham" <crwggb@> wrote:

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> > Straight forward question:

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> > If you have or have had a Volvo TMD22 in your
Super

> Maramu, what is the max RPM you ever achieved with the
max

> prop fitted? The more responses the better!

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> > Graham

>

> > SM 140 Sula

>

> > Hong Kong

>

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>


Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi, simple way to check the waste gate is to remove the pin from the actuating arm and see if it turns easily. Keep the WD40/CRC56 going on it always.
Regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Lautoka Fiji, next Yasawas


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From: tatane88 <antoinefeltz@hotmail..com>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


 

Hi all,

My motor tmd 22 smoke very black after 2400RPM.
I think i have a problem with wastegate of the turbo. I think the wastegate is locked in position Open.
Is it easy to clean this gate ?
Thank for your help.
SM 192 French.

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Miles Bidwell" <mbidwell@...> wrote:

Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over propped as it came
from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the boat..

I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that the engine and
prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and push the boat at
hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea conditions. The idea of
governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to move down the
torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self adjusting ability and
increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having mysterious problems with
the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel pump. If the
motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is clean with smooth
bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is very clean.
Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you for unnecessary
work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)





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