Thank you so much Eric! Really appreciate the info!
Any other parts I should really have?
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Thu, 8/29/13, Sailorman wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, August 29, 2013, 5:34 PM


























Alexandre,



You will probably never need the bearings for the lower unit
on the bow

thruster. If you do they are standard metric bearings.



However there is a shaft that connects to the prop in the
bowthruster that

you might want to have, it is available only from amel and
is mae of some

sort of fiberglass type material.



Fair Winds



Eric



Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



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From: amelyachtowners@...

[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
On Behalf Of Ann-Sofie Svanberg

Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:46 AM

To: amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?



There is no problem to write in english to Maud.



/Annsofie

S/Y Lady Annila

SM232 in Portugal, prepairing to cross the Atlantic



Skickat från min iPad



29 aug 2013 kl. 02:30 skrev "Alexandre Uster von
Baar" >

:

Thanks for the info John, I do feel bad asking for part

dimensions and not

order these from Amel. But on the other hand will admit I
still have not

digested the fact Amel (Martinique) charged me 462 Euro last
November (which

was about $600) for the Jabsco electric toilet pump, while I
later find

these for $250. I understand they need to make profit, but
this is greed...

Thanks again, sill contact Maud (in French), if the

price are too high,

will try in English!!!

Have a great evening, Alexandre

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On Wed, 8/28/13, jsrogers47 >
wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 6:55 PM

Hi Alexandre. I ordered a set of bow thruster

seals from Maud by emailing her at Amelsav@...

Of

course, you may write to her in french. Just tell her

your

hull number and she will give you a price. I did not

get

bearings from her, but I imagine she could help with

that as

well.

--- In amelyachtowners@...

,

"Alex" wrote:

Does any one know for sure the bearing sizes for

the

bow thruster?

I want to stock on spare parts.

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Seabrook, Texas, USA

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Hello all,



I turns out that my problems are caused by an air leak. Today, the mechanic
ran the boat with the fuel lines directly into a can of fuel and it went
straight up to 2900 and then dropped back to 2800, as it had done in 1998
when it was new. A few weeks ago, I heard about someone who bought a used
Amel and could not get over 5 knots. His hull was clean but a marine garden
was growing under his wing. He cleaned it a fixed the problem. I
understand that anything is possible, but if Amel did put the wrong prop on
a boat, it is hard to imagine that they, or the owner going through the Amel
week long boot camp, would not have noticed. Amel runs these boats before
delivery so that things like the first oil change, etc., have all been done
before the owner gets the boat.

If any boat with the TMD22 will not get to 2800, something is wrong.

Good luck to all. Now, all I have to do is to find the source of the air
leak.



Miles (Ladybug, sm216) Newport, RI





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Thanks for the info John, I do feel bad asking for part dimensions and not order these from Amel. But on the other hand will admit I still have not digested the fact Amel (Martinique) charged me 462 Euro last November (which was about $600) for the Jabsco electric toilet pump, while I later find these for $250. I understand they need to make profit, but this is greed...
Thanks again, sill contact Maud (in French), if the price are too high, will try in English!!!
Have a great evening, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/28/13, jsrogers47 <jsrogers@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Bearing sizes for Bow Thruster?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, August 28, 2013, 6:55 PM


























Hi Alexandre. I ordered a set of bow thruster
seals from Maud by emailing her at Amelsav@... Of
course, you may write to her in french. Just tell her your
hull number and she will give you a price. I did not get
bearings from her, but I imagine she could help with that as
well.



--- In amelyachtowners@...,
"Alex" <uster@...> wrote:

Does any one know for sure the bearing sizes for the

bow thruster?

I want to stock on spare parts.

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Seabrook, Texas, USA

Hi Alan, all us owners of TMD22 Volvos are grateful to you, its not just our volvo. If you have been stationary for any time in the 4 months since the clean your prop will be dirty and as Joel Potter has eloquently explained any fouling affects the pitch of the prop, it can only work effectively clean. Black smoke often is caused by overloading, dirty prop=wrong pitch=possible overload. If it is low revs caused by wrong pitch caused by fouling that 100hp Yanmar is putting an awful lot of load on your gearbox and transmission as it tries to get up to revs, like driving a car with the brakes on
Cheers
Danny 


________________________________
From: alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k <divanz620@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013 12:19 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


 

we too have the same issue with Yanmar 100hp

It will go to 1900/2000 rpm no problem and in slight seas maybe 2200, but no more...

It is possible that the autoprop is dirty ..hasn't been cleaned for 4 months...and we also have the issue of black smoke (don't see it) that fouls the hull, and is a devil to get off.

We motored 50+ hours on our last passage and the black stain is still there despite lots of cleaning....

In my experience...black smoke = fouled injectors, dirty air filter....or over pitched prop....I 'm sure I don't have the first two...but I don't understand how an autoprop can be over pitched..????

mystified...

Alan

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:

Hi all, Miles, is correct and yes 2800 is what we get at full that is Amels settings. Should you be Having problems getting there they can be many fold. Most of them come from well minded persons who do or may not understand our yachts.
A good service person will collect facts first then sort out issues.
Running the boat at the dock is not a suggested means of testing the engine/prop. You need to have the boat underway.
On "older" boats ck for air and pressure leaks in the fuel system especially if you've have done work on the injection system. Air leaks can and do occur before you get fuel leaks. Keep it simple first.
Good luck to ALL

Regards
Capt Richard Piller
Fairbanks Yacht Group llc
Full brokerage and service for all yachts
Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 27, 2013, at 13:53, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@> wrote:


Good afternoon MIle,

I agree this is hard to believe the Super Maramu could not exceed 2200 rpm out of the factory...

Were you ever able to reach 2800 rpm?

Last november had antifooling done and prop clean, tied at the dock the engine would reach 2500 rpm, but only 2200 rpm at sea...
2 weeks ago, I cleaned the turbo, prop was cleaned (not the hull) same thing: 2500 rpm tied to the dock and only 2200 rpm at sea...

Seems to be the same for so many people...
What do we do wrong?

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 8/27/13, Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:37 PM


























Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over
propped as it came

from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the
boat.



I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that
the engine and

prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and
push the boat at

hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea
conditions. The idea of

governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to
move down the

torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self
adjusting ability and

increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having
mysterious problems with

the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel
pump. If the

motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is
clean with smooth

bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is
very clean.

Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you
for unnecessary

work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)
































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There are some great threads from a few years ago regarding low rpm. Heres a list of all the things I can remember that were checked when I was investigating: Growth on hull or prop, autoprop that needs refurbishing...Fuel tank valve, lines, 2 filters, pump (some engines have a lift pump and hi press pump), injectors...air intake clogged, bad turbo, clogged exhaust (especially the elbow), bad cylinder/piston, timing wrong...what have I left out?
We're you able to get 2800+ rpm in the past?

I'd start with prop, fuel filters and Turbo/exhaust elbow. You are the first one I remember with low rpm and 100 HP Yanmar. I'll be interested to hear what you find.
Kent
SM 243 Kristy
Brunswick GA USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:19 AM, "alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k" <divanz620@...> wrote:

we too have the same issue with Yanmar 100hp

It will go to 1900/2000 rpm no problem and in slight seas maybe 2200, but no more...

It is possible that the autoprop is dirty ..hasn't been cleaned for 4 months...and we also have the issue of black smoke (don't see it) that fouls the hull, and is a devil to get off.

We motored 50+ hours on our last passage and the black stain is still there despite lots of cleaning....

In my experience...black smoke = fouled injectors, dirty air filter....or over pitched prop....I 'm sure I don't have the first two...but I don't understand how an autoprop can be over pitched..????

mystified...

Alan

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:

Hi all, Miles, is correct and yes 2800 is what we get at full that is Amels settings. Should you be Having problems getting there they can be many fold. Most of them come from well minded persons who do or may not understand our yachts.
A good service person will collect facts first then sort out issues.
Running the boat at the dock is not a suggested means of testing the engine/prop. You need to have the boat underway.
On "older" boats ck for air and pressure leaks in the fuel system especially if you've have done work on the injection system. Air leaks can and do occur before you get fuel leaks. Keep it simple first.
Good luck to ALL

Regards
Capt Richard Piller
Fairbanks Yacht Group llc
Full brokerage and service for all yachts
Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 27, 2013, at 13:53, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@> wrote:


Good afternoon MIle,

I agree this is hard to believe the Super Maramu could not exceed 2200 rpm out of the factory...

Were you ever able to reach 2800 rpm?

Last november had antifooling done and prop clean, tied at the dock the engine would reach 2500 rpm, but only 2200 rpm at sea...
2 weeks ago, I cleaned the turbo, prop was cleaned (not the hull) same thing: 2500 rpm tied to the dock and only 2200 rpm at sea...

Seems to be the same for so many people...
What do we do wrong?

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 8/27/13, Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2013, 12:37 PM


























Hello all,



I think that you will find that the boat is not "over
propped as it came

from Amel. Someone who says it is does not understand the
boat.



I bought my Super Maramu new in 1998 and Amel explained that
the engine and

prop were set to give the boat a maximum RPM of 2800 and
push the boat at

hull speed which is about 8 knots depending on sea
conditions. The idea of

governing the engine to less than its maximum rpms is to
move down the

torque curve and take advantage of the auto-prop self
adjusting ability and

increase mileage and reduce noise. I am now having
mysterious problems with

the engine which may be related to the high pressure fuel
pump. If the

motor is running as it should (a big if), and the prop is
clean with smooth

bearings, it should run up to 2800 if the boat bottom is
very clean.

Beware of shops that tell you otherwise and then charge you
for unnecessary

work.



Miles (sm 216 Ladybug, Newport, RI)
































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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

We are heading to the boat in early October after a trip to visit my future father in law in Budapest.

Since my Marina is in the middle of NoWhere Virginia with virtually no stores in close driving distance I am putting together a list of jobs big and small.
Bob Rossi – put together an excellent list and I am using that as a base, just want to get some other ideas and suggestions as I went along. The bow thruster seals were done when I bought the boat.
Here is my todo list

Replace anemometer bearing

Change Engine Oil

Replace hose attached to thermostat housing

Has Anybody replaced the Drain Plug for the Engine coolant with a Valve of some kind. Changing the fluid is a real mess and I would think a valve there of some kind would be useful as I could just attach a hose to a barb fitting on the end when I drained it next time?

I am missing the "stick" that goes in the fuel filler – any ideas on replacement

Open the genoa furler gear/motor case and grease it - Suggestion on a grease people like…anybody think INOX MX4 or INOX 8 is overkill…

I read that some have put a zerk fitting, I can only find stainless one and can't find aluminum. (housing is aluminum) Any suggestion on a source.?

I am replacing the batteries - going to replace with exactly the same size and brand that is currently in the boat

Anybody know what t model the PSA is on the Santorin. I know it is a Motorola - which model.

Does any one know for sure the bearing sizes for the bow thruster?
I want to stock on spare parts.

Thanks in advance.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA

Good morning Terry ?

Thank you so much for the info on the cost.

How about the cost to repitch the blade?

Thanks in advance.

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On Mon, 8/26/13, islandbwoy4434 <terencesingh@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo TMD22 max rpm
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, August 26, 2013, 8:49 AM
















 









Alexandre, here is what I paid.



On visual inspection It does need a new bearing kit. All
3-blades bearings are worn & the blades loose on the hub.

Cost for Bearing Kit - $851.83. Includes new bearings,
Tamper proof plugs, Tab Washers, Expanding nut & bolt, zinc
& shaft nut Locking Bolt & VC-3.

Labour for Bearing replacement & pitch change - $367.50.

Total - $1219.33



--- In amelyachtowners@...,
Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@> wrote:

>

> Thanks Dena and ? Islandboy for the info!

> More and more it seems the new prop wil lbe
required...

>

> Just out of curiosity, how much was the total work on
the H6 Auto Prop?

>

> Sincerely, Alexandre

>

> --------------------------------------------

> On Wed, 8/21/13, islandbwoy4434
<terencesingh@> wrote:

>

> Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo TMD22 max rpm

> To: amelyachtowners@...

> Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2013, 4:35 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> My two cents worth after exhaustive analysis of
low

> max RPM's.

>

> Dena and I have owned Libby #196 for 18 months.

>

> We were never able to get more that 2000 RPM's @
6.5

> knots out of the TMD22 with an H6 AutoProp.

>

> Replaced the Turbo, checked engine and transmission
RPM with

> optical Tach at 100RPM intervals both stationary at
the dock

> and sea trial.

>

> Cleaned exhaust elbow, checked fuel system, and a host
of

> other suggestions as noted in my thread.

>

> Consulted with AB Marine and Bruntons and provided
tons of

> empirical data.

>

> David Sheppard provided Geoff Prior of AB Marine a
new

> profile for the Prop.

>

> Prop also received a full service including new
bearings.

>

> Prop was re-fitted last week.

>

> New results.

>

> Max RPM's 3000 @ 9 Knots+

>

> 2500 RPM's @ 7.5knots

>

>

>

> Very happy that I can now run the TMD22 at a point
where the

> Turbo is actually working.

>

> Not sure why the H6 was pitched that way it was and
supplied

> to Amel.

>

>

>

>

>

> --- In amelyachtowners@...,

> "Graham" <crwggb@> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Straight forward question:

>

> >

>

> > If you have or have had a Volvo TMD22 in your
Super

> Maramu, what is the max RPM you ever achieved with the
max

> prop fitted? The more responses the better!

>

> >

>

> > Graham

>

> > SM 140 Sula

>

> > Hong Kong

>

> >

>