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Re: [Amel] Re: Disturbing messages from Turkey

Stephen Hancock
 

My only reason for commenting on this is to say it is too simple to say there is no problem in this country. Anywhere you go you need to be vigilant.  Americans and tourist are targets in this wide world. Don't listen to people that say no problem. Do research anywhere before you go. If being cautious is paranoid then I am guilty. You sound very defensive and one sided. Discussion is how we learn. If my giving the other side hurts your feelings then I do apologize. I look forward to seeing Turkey again.


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Sammie,

with respect, I think you are being somewhat paranoid. I have cruised
Turkey on and off since the 80's. In my opinion the Turks I have met are
lovely helpful people. As has been said elsewhere, tourism is important
to them and they are not going to throw that away. In days gone by, the
Turks were indeed fearful warriors. But so were the Greeks. Ask the
Turks. Do I feel unsafe in the Aegean? Of course not. Ask the Red
Indians about the white Americans, ask the the victims of English,
Dutch, Spanish and French colonisation, and you will have to accept that
most of us have a track record of being violent. I think the Armenian's
were slaughtered during the First World War, around 1915. Hardly
relevant to today's situation.

As for Embassy advice, it is quite predictably 'Avoid protest and
demonstrations as they might become violent'. A precaution any sensible
tourist will take anyway.

Time to draw a line under this discussion, though of course we would
love to hear from those who have recently visited Turkey and can provide
us with a truthful reassurance rather than somewhat hysterical
conjecture. If I did not have a dog on board with an EU only passport, I
would be there now.

Ian Shepherd SM2000 414 Crusader - in the Kebab latitudes.

On 27/06/2013 13:23, Yahoo! Mail wrote:

The Turks can be violent, ask the Armenians. There are places in every
country including the good old USA that look good but are in fact not
safe. It requires more then a simple, it is safe others just
sensationalize it, as a problem. Maybe call your embassy before you
travel to any area. The Turkish culture is more European but still
people of opportunity can ruin your day or life. Don't just take
anyone's advice without personnel research. People are bias because
the have had no trouble. As far as asking someone that loves their
country their are truly bias. Travels in any country are targets.


________________________________



Hi Ian
Where on Leros are you? We are in Xerokambos.

Possible to have an Amel union?

/Ann-Sofie & Jonas
SM 232, S/Y Lady Annila

Skickat från min iPad

26 jun 2013 kl. 15:52 skrev "Ian Shepherd"
<mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>:

I agree with Bill & Mike on this one. Don't be fooled by what you hear
or read in the media. They are a bunch of sensationalists working to
get
the most attention by hyping up the reality. I met several Turkish
tourists whilst in Simi and their view was that the situation was more
of an amusement than a threat. One couple even said that it was good to
see the Turkish people expressing their feelings for once.

Whilst I have technically not been in Turkey this summer as I have a
pet
on board with an EU only passport, I did overnight in Kekova Roads for
shelter, where everything looked absolutely normal. I don't think that
anyone has anything to worry about near the coast. Maybe a night stroll
through Taksim Square in Istanbul might be unwise, but so was a night
stroll in Barbados in 1970 when I was mugged at knife point!

I remember many years ago when Northern Ireland was all bullets and
bombs (according to the press). I had to go to Belfast to deliver a
yacht to Scotland. With some trepidation I asked my taxi driver to stay
well clear of the troubles. He laughed and said that you would have to
be in about a one square mile area near the Falls Road to have any
likelihood of seeing any action. He was right of course.

I will email an Australian friend who lives right in Taksim Square and
ask her opinion. If it's of value I will post it.

Enjoy Turkey

Ian Shepherd (& baby Siberian Husky Kelly) SM 414 Crusader - Leros
Greece

On 24/06/2013 16:16, Mike Johnson wrote:

Hi John & Bill,

Let's not get carried away. It's safer visiting Turkey than a lot of
cities around the world - but we still go to them!

For good advice visit the UK FCO website. The link for Turkey is:
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey

Regards

Mike

Solitude

SM2K #461




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Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Disturbing messages from Turkey


Just because cities in the U.S. are dangerous, like Chicago and
Detroit does not mean areas in Turkey are worth risking your life to
visit. I heard the same argument about Egypt and now you are never
sure what to expect. Muslim extremists are every where and if you
don't really know the area then you are putting yourself in danger,
much like visiting Detroit. Great culture but now maybe not the time
to visit for the novice.

________________________________



John,

We have been in the US since Dec because of my cancer surgery in Feb.
We return to Gocek on 1 July.

We do not consider things dangerous in Turkey. Remember, the protests
are against the government's conservative swing to add more religion
to government. Ataturk led the revolution which created a secular
state. Most Turks want what Ataturk fought for. These protests are
not
unlike protests against too much government in the US. Look at the
crime and murder rate in Turkey as compared to the US or UK before
making a decision. You will be surprised at how much safer Turkey is.
Also remember that it is very unlikely that you will be wihin 1000
miles of any protest while cruising Turkey.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, Sm2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "John Hollamby"
<annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Hello Bill and Judy,
I have some friends who were going to spend a few days holiday in
Turkey with their children.I have just received a couple of messages
forwarded from Turks warning about the troubles from which it would
appear that things could get worse not better on the basis that many
are unhappy about the trend away from the secular state to an
Islamic one.
Do you have any views for those who were intending to sail to
Turkey
this season?

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319, Malta
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Re: [Amel] Re: Onan

Peter Forbes
 

How amusing - I have just printed this gold dust and put in in my on board data file!

Thank you

Amel 54 # 035
In modification Goçek Turkey.

Peter Forbes

07836 209730
ppsforbes@...

On 28 Jun 2013, at 12:46, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

As usual, Gary...YOU DA MAN!!!
I'm going to print this and put it in my on-board folder.
Kent

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From: Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Onan



Hi Gary that was a very nice way to troubleshooting the onan good job

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Jun 28, 2013, at 1:02, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

Hi Trevor:

Perhaps you have already solved your problem but let me seek some clarification on your problem. Do you have the shop manual for your genet?

1. I am confused from your post whether this is a problem with the engine cranking or whether this is a problem with the engine running.

a) If the engine suddenly stops, in my experience, this is usually due to one the several sensors on the engine (sea water temp over heat, low oil pressure, etc) telling the engine to shut down. You need to methodically work through each sensor (I don't have my shop manual here but I think there are at least 6 different sensors). They may actually be sensing a fault condition or there may be a faulty sensor, you will have to determine what is the case and repair accordingly. The sensors are mostly either normally open or normally closed switches and can be tested using a multi-meter.

b) If the engine won't crank (turn over as in trying to start it) then you have one of four problems;NOTE: THESE ENGINES HAVE TWO STARTER MOTOR SOLENOIDS (aka CONTACTORS). There is one on the + side and one on the - or ground side. Both solenoids have to work for the starter motor to work crank the engine.

1- a faulty positive side (12 VDC) contactor, check to see if you have 12 volts on the supply side of this contractor, then see if you have 12 volts on the output side of the contractor while someone tries to crank the motor with the start switch, if you have 12 volts in and 12 volts out when activated then this contactor is ok next ,
2- a faulty negative or earth side contractor (starter to ground on the tray). This contactor is mounted below the starter motor and is somewhat out of sight unless you bend way over. If you bypass this contactor you will NOT harm your engine. If bypassing this contactor allows the engine to crank when the start switch is activated then you either have a bad ground or a faulty ground side contactor.
3- a faulty starter motor, If you can measure 12 volts on the supply to the starter motor with your multimeter when the start switch is activated and you have a known good ground side contactor and known good positive side contactor, yet the motor won't crank, then your starter motor is faulty. Just to verify this you can remove the starter motor and take it to a shop to have it tested and/or repaired.
4- a faulty starter switch. If you don't see 12 volts on the control line to the contractors (both + and - side contractors) when the start switch is activated, then you probably have a faulty starter switch.

Once again, cranking (the engine being turned over by the starter motor) is a whole different problem from running. If you have already solved this, please let us know what you found. If not, give us some more details and perhaps we can add some more suggestions.

Best of luck,

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM2000 Hull #335
on the hard at Jolly Harbor, Antigua

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@...> wrote:

Dear All,
my generator stopped dead while running a few days ago. No flashing lights. It cranked a couple of times then silence
I have checked the raw water, fresh water,systems, changed the fuel pump, a suspect earth strap from the solenoid to the tray . I have 12.7 volts at the solenoid if I short the terminals the engine will crank, but I don't want to let in run incase of further damage.
I have swopped over the relays for the starter under the white casing lid, but nothing all I get is the flashing green light at the start switch for a few seconds, I can feel the new fuel pimp working but no engine cranking.
The genset had a new rotor,stator and control panel last October at 1000 hours after burning out.
If anyone can shed some light I would be most grateful. I am in Mazatlan Mexico where the local service companies are willing but have no knowledge or access to Onan.
Many thanks.
Trevor

Seafever of Cuan
No 425
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Re: [Amel] Re: Onan

karkauai
 

As usual, Gary...YOU DA MAN!!!
I'm going to print this and put it in my on-board folder.
Kent




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To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Onan



 
Hi Gary that was a very nice way to troubleshooting the onan good job

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Jun 28, 2013, at 1:02, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

Hi Trevor:

Perhaps you have already solved your problem but let me seek some clarification on your problem. Do you have the shop manual for your genet?

1. I am confused from your post whether this is a problem with the engine cranking or whether this is a problem with the engine running.

a) If the engine suddenly stops, in my experience, this is usually due to one the several sensors on the engine (sea water temp over heat, low oil pressure, etc) telling the engine to shut down. You need to methodically work through each sensor (I don't have my shop manual here but I think there are at least 6 different sensors). They may actually be sensing a fault condition or there may be a faulty sensor, you will have to determine what is the case and repair accordingly. The sensors are mostly either normally open or normally closed switches and can be tested using a multi-meter.

b) If the engine won't crank (turn over as in trying to start it) then you have one of four problems;NOTE: THESE ENGINES HAVE TWO STARTER MOTOR SOLENOIDS (aka CONTACTORS). There is one on the + side and one on the - or ground side. Both solenoids have to work for the starter motor to work crank the engine.

1- a faulty positive side (12 VDC) contactor, check to see if you have 12 volts on the supply side of this contractor, then see if you have 12 volts on the output side of the contractor while someone tries to crank the motor with the start switch, if you have 12 volts in and 12 volts out when activated then this contactor is ok next ,
2- a faulty negative or earth side contractor (starter to ground on the tray). This contactor is mounted below the starter motor and is somewhat out of sight unless you bend way over. If you bypass this contactor you will NOT harm your engine. If bypassing this contactor allows the engine to crank when the start switch is activated then you either have a bad ground or a faulty ground side contactor.
3- a faulty starter motor, If you can measure 12 volts on the supply to the starter motor with your multimeter when the start switch is activated and you have a known good ground side contactor and known good positive side contactor, yet the motor won't crank, then your starter motor is faulty. Just to verify this you can remove the starter motor and take it to a shop to have it tested and/or repaired.
4- a faulty starter switch. If you don't see 12 volts on the control line to the contractors (both + and - side contractors) when the start switch is activated, then you probably have a faulty starter switch.

Once again, cranking (the engine being turned over by the starter motor) is a whole different problem from running. If you have already solved this, please let us know what you found. If not, give us some more details and perhaps we can add some more suggestions.

Best of luck,

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM2000 Hull #335
on the hard at Jolly Harbor, Antigua

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@...> wrote:

Dear All,
my generator stopped dead while running a few days ago. No flashing lights. It cranked a couple of times then silence
I have checked the raw water, fresh water,systems, changed the fuel pump, a suspect earth strap from the solenoid to the tray . I have 12.7 volts at the solenoid if I short the terminals the engine will crank, but I don't want to let in run incase of further damage.
I have swopped over the relays for the starter under the white casing lid, but nothing all I get is the flashing green light at the start switch for a few seconds, I can feel the new fuel pimp working but no engine cranking.
The genset had a new rotor,stator and control panel last October at 1000 hours after burning out.
If anyone can shed some light I would be most grateful. I am in Mazatlan Mexico where the local service companies are willing but have no knowledge or access to Onan.
Many thanks.
Trevor

Seafever of Cuan
No 425
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Re: Genoa Car Removal

minaxi53
 

Ian
I had a similar problem with my main sheet traveller mid ocean. Because the traveller is recessed in a channel on the deck there is no way to get the car or end blocks off without removing the track from the deck. As a quick fix we took a grinder to one end of the track and ground off 3" from the lip of the track enabling the car to be lifted off. Now the track is operating 3" short but many boats have much shorter travelers anyway.
Bob
Minaxi sm6

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Has anyone removed their genoa car from its track on a Super Maramu? It
will not slide past the aft chain-plate. Maybe removing the forward
block and the nearby stanchion might work, but I would rather hear from
someone who has successfully got the traveller off this way first. I
wish to avoid remove the track if at all possible.

Yesterday whilst sheeting in the genoa, there was a bang followed by the
car roller shooting through the air closely followed by the ball
bearings, never to be seen again of course. It would seem the nut
holding the roller axle had come undone. It would be a good idea to
Locktite these nuts in future as there is very little thread left when
the nut is tight so it soon comes off once it works loose.

I have yet to discover whether spare parts are easily available. I would
imagine I am in for a complete new unit, at least in the short term.

Ian Shepherd SM2000 414 Crusader Leros Dodecanese Greece


Re: [Amel] Re: Onan

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Gary that was a very nice way to troubleshooting the onan good job

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Jun 28, 2013, at 1:02, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

Hi Trevor:

Perhaps you have already solved your problem but let me seek some clarification on your problem. Do you have the shop manual for your genet?

1. I am confused from your post whether this is a problem with the engine cranking or whether this is a problem with the engine running.

a) If the engine suddenly stops, in my experience, this is usually due to one the several sensors on the engine (sea water temp over heat, low oil pressure, etc) telling the engine to shut down. You need to methodically work through each sensor (I don't have my shop manual here but I think there are at least 6 different sensors). They may actually be sensing a fault condition or there may be a faulty sensor, you will have to determine what is the case and repair accordingly. The sensors are mostly either normally open or normally closed switches and can be tested using a multi-meter.

b) If the engine won't crank (turn over as in trying to start it) then you have one of four problems;NOTE: THESE ENGINES HAVE TWO STARTER MOTOR SOLENOIDS (aka CONTACTORS). There is one on the + side and one on the - or ground side. Both solenoids have to work for the starter motor to work crank the engine.

1- a faulty positive side (12 VDC) contactor, check to see if you have 12 volts on the supply side of this contractor, then see if you have 12 volts on the output side of the contractor while someone tries to crank the motor with the start switch, if you have 12 volts in and 12 volts out when activated then this contactor is ok next ,
2- a faulty negative or earth side contractor (starter to ground on the tray). This contactor is mounted below the starter motor and is somewhat out of sight unless you bend way over. If you bypass this contactor you will NOT harm your engine. If bypassing this contactor allows the engine to crank when the start switch is activated then you either have a bad ground or a faulty ground side contactor.
3- a faulty starter motor, If you can measure 12 volts on the supply to the starter motor with your multimeter when the start switch is activated and you have a known good ground side contactor and known good positive side contactor, yet the motor won't crank, then your starter motor is faulty. Just to verify this you can remove the starter motor and take it to a shop to have it tested and/or repaired.
4- a faulty starter switch. If you don't see 12 volts on the control line to the contractors (both + and - side contractors) when the start switch is activated, then you probably have a faulty starter switch.

Once again, cranking (the engine being turned over by the starter motor) is a whole different problem from running. If you have already solved this, please let us know what you found. If not, give us some more details and perhaps we can add some more suggestions.

Best of luck,

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM2000 Hull #335
on the hard at Jolly Harbor, Antigua

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@...> wrote:

Dear All,
my generator stopped dead while running a few days ago. No flashing lights. It cranked a couple of times then silence
I have checked the raw water, fresh water,systems, changed the fuel pump, a suspect earth strap from the solenoid to the tray . I have 12.7 volts at the solenoid if I short the terminals the engine will crank, but I don't want to let in run incase of further damage.
I have swopped over the relays for the starter under the white casing lid, but nothing all I get is the flashing green light at the start switch for a few seconds, I can feel the new fuel pimp working but no engine cranking.
The genset had a new rotor,stator and control panel last October at 1000 hours after burning out.
If anyone can shed some light I would be most grateful. I am in Mazatlan Mexico where the local service companies are willing but have no knowledge or access to Onan.
Many thanks.
Trevor

Seafever of Cuan
No 425


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Re: [Amel] Re: Disturbing messages from Turkey

Ian Shepherd
 

Sammie,

with respect, I think you are being somewhat paranoid. I have cruised
Turkey on and off since the 80's. In my opinion the Turks I have met are
lovely helpful people. As has been said elsewhere, tourism is important
to them and they are not going to throw that away. In days gone by, the
Turks were indeed fearful warriors. But so were the Greeks. Ask the
Turks. Do I feel unsafe in the Aegean? Of course not. Ask the Red
Indians about the white Americans, ask the the victims of English,
Dutch, Spanish and French colonisation, and you will have to accept that
most of us have a track record of being violent. I think the Armenian's
were slaughtered during the First World War, around 1915. Hardly
relevant to today's situation.

As for Embassy advice, it is quite predictably 'Avoid protest and
demonstrations as they might become violent'. A precaution any sensible
tourist will take anyway.

Time to draw a line under this discussion, though of course we would
love to hear from those who have recently visited Turkey and can provide
us with a truthful reassurance rather than somewhat hysterical
conjecture. If I did not have a dog on board with an EU only passport, I
would be there now.

Ian Shepherd SM2000 414 Crusader - in the Kebab latitudes.

On 27/06/2013 13:23, Yahoo! Mail wrote:

The Turks can be violent, ask the Armenians. There are places in every
country including the good old USA that look good but are in fact not
safe. It requires more then a simple, it is safe others just
sensationalize it, as a problem. Maybe call your embassy before you
travel to any area. The Turkish culture is more European but still
people of opportunity can ruin your day or life. Don't just take
anyone's advice without personnel research. People are bias because
the have had no trouble. As far as asking someone that loves their
country their are truly bias. Travels in any country are targets.


________________________________



Hi Ian
Where on Leros are you? We are in Xerokambos.

Possible to have an Amel union?

/Ann-Sofie & Jonas
SM 232, S/Y Lady Annila

Skickat från min iPad

26 jun 2013 kl. 15:52 skrev "Ian Shepherd"
<mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>:

I agree with Bill & Mike on this one. Don't be fooled by what you hear
or read in the media. They are a bunch of sensationalists working to
get
the most attention by hyping up the reality. I met several Turkish
tourists whilst in Simi and their view was that the situation was more
of an amusement than a threat. One couple even said that it was good to
see the Turkish people expressing their feelings for once.

Whilst I have technically not been in Turkey this summer as I have a
pet
on board with an EU only passport, I did overnight in Kekova Roads for
shelter, where everything looked absolutely normal. I don't think that
anyone has anything to worry about near the coast. Maybe a night stroll
through Taksim Square in Istanbul might be unwise, but so was a night
stroll in Barbados in 1970 when I was mugged at knife point!

I remember many years ago when Northern Ireland was all bullets and
bombs (according to the press). I had to go to Belfast to deliver a
yacht to Scotland. With some trepidation I asked my taxi driver to stay
well clear of the troubles. He laughed and said that you would have to
be in about a one square mile area near the Falls Road to have any
likelihood of seeing any action. He was right of course.

I will email an Australian friend who lives right in Taksim Square and
ask her opinion. If it's of value I will post it.

Enjoy Turkey

Ian Shepherd (& baby Siberian Husky Kelly) SM 414 Crusader - Leros
Greece

On 24/06/2013 16:16, Mike Johnson wrote:

Hi John & Bill,

Let's not get carried away. It's safer visiting Turkey than a lot of
cities around the world - but we still go to them!

For good advice visit the UK FCO website. The link for Turkey is:
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey

Regards

Mike

Solitude

SM2K #461




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Just because cities in the U.S. are dangerous, like Chicago and
Detroit does not mean areas in Turkey are worth risking your life to
visit. I heard the same argument about Egypt and now you are never
sure what to expect. Muslim extremists are every where and if you
don't really know the area then you are putting yourself in danger,
much like visiting Detroit. Great culture but now maybe not the time
to visit for the novice.

________________________________



John,

We have been in the US since Dec because of my cancer surgery in Feb.
We return to Gocek on 1 July.

We do not consider things dangerous in Turkey. Remember, the protests
are against the government's conservative swing to add more religion
to government. Ataturk led the revolution which created a secular
state. Most Turks want what Ataturk fought for. These protests are
not
unlike protests against too much government in the US. Look at the
crime and murder rate in Turkey as compared to the US or UK before
making a decision. You will be surprised at how much safer Turkey is.
Also remember that it is very unlikely that you will be wihin 1000
miles of any protest while cruising Turkey.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, Sm2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "John Hollamby"
<annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Hello Bill and Judy,
I have some friends who were going to spend a few days holiday in
Turkey with their children.I have just received a couple of messages
forwarded from Turks warning about the troubles from which it would
appear that things could get worse not better on the basis that many
are unhappy about the trend away from the secular state to an
Islamic one.
Do you have any views for those who were intending to sail to
Turkey
this season?

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319, Malta
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Re: [Amel] Re: Disturbing messages from Turkey

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Ann-Sofie & Jonas,

I am anchored in Patheni Bay near Agmar marine. I am a bit disabled at
the moment as my port side genoa car failed yesterday and I will have to
stay here till I get a new one. If you are headed north, then please
drop by. It is always good to meet other Amel owners. If I can jury rig
the car, I might be able to make it to Lakki.

Best wishes

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader Tel: +357-99642701

On 27/06/2013 05:07, Ann-Sofie Svanberg wrote:

Hi Ian
Where on Leros are you? We are in Xerokambos.

Possible to have an Amel union?

/Ann-Sofie & Jonas
SM 232, S/Y Lady Annila


Skickat från min iPad

26 jun 2013 kl. 15:52 skrev "Ian Shepherd" <sv_freespirit@...
<mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>>:

I agree with Bill & Mike on this one. Don't be fooled by what you hear
or read in the media. They are a bunch of sensationalists working to
get
the most attention by hyping up the reality. I met several Turkish
tourists whilst in Simi and their view was that the situation was more
of an amusement than a threat. One couple even said that it was good to
see the Turkish people expressing their feelings for once.

Whilst I have technically not been in Turkey this summer as I have a
pet
on board with an EU only passport, I did overnight in Kekova Roads for
shelter, where everything looked absolutely normal. I don't think that
anyone has anything to worry about near the coast. Maybe a night stroll
through Taksim Square in Istanbul might be unwise, but so was a night
stroll in Barbados in 1970 when I was mugged at knife point!

I remember many years ago when Northern Ireland was all bullets and
bombs (according to the press). I had to go to Belfast to deliver a
yacht to Scotland. With some trepidation I asked my taxi driver to stay
well clear of the troubles. He laughed and said that you would have to
be in about a one square mile area near the Falls Road to have any
likelihood of seeing any action. He was right of course.

I will email an Australian friend who lives right in Taksim Square and
ask her opinion. If it's of value I will post it.

Enjoy Turkey

Ian Shepherd (& baby Siberian Husky Kelly) SM 414 Crusader - Leros
Greece

On 24/06/2013 16:16, Mike Johnson wrote:

Hi John & Bill,

Let's not get carried away. It's safer visiting Turkey than a lot of
cities around the world - but we still go to them!

For good advice visit the UK FCO website. The link for Turkey is:
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey

Regards

Mike

Solitude

SM2K #461




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Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Disturbing messages from Turkey


Just because cities in the U.S. are dangerous, like Chicago and
Detroit does not mean areas in Turkey are worth risking your life to
visit. I heard the same argument about Egypt and now you are never
sure what to expect. Muslim extremists are every where and if you
don't really know the area then you are putting yourself in danger,
much like visiting Detroit. Great culture but now maybe not the time
to visit for the novice.

________________________________



John,

We have been in the US since Dec because of my cancer surgery in Feb.
We return to Gocek on 1 July.

We do not consider things dangerous in Turkey. Remember, the protests
are against the government's conservative swing to add more religion
to government. Ataturk led the revolution which created a secular
state. Most Turks want what Ataturk fought for. These protests are
not
unlike protests against too much government in the US. Look at the
crime and murder rate in Turkey as compared to the US or UK before
making a decision. You will be surprised at how much safer Turkey is.
Also remember that it is very unlikely that you will be wihin 1000
miles of any protest while cruising Turkey.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, Sm2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "John Hollamby"
<annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Hello Bill and Judy,
I have some friends who were going to spend a few days holiday in
Turkey with their children.I have just received a couple of messages
forwarded from Turks warning about the troubles from which it would
appear that things could get worse not better on the basis that many
are unhappy about the trend away from the secular state to an
Islamic one.
Do you have any views for those who were intending to sail to
Turkey
this season?

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319, Malta






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Genoa Car Removal

Ian Shepherd
 

Has anyone removed their genoa car from its track on a Super Maramu? It will not slide past the aft chain-plate. Maybe removing the forward block and the nearby stanchion might work, but I would rather hear from someone who has successfully got the traveller off this way first. I wish to avoid remove the track if at all possible.

Yesterday whilst sheeting in the genoa, there was a bang followed by the car roller shooting through the air closely followed by the ball bearings, never to be seen again of course. It would seem the nut holding the roller axle had come undone. It would be a good idea to Locktite these nuts in future as there is very little thread left when the nut is tight so it soon comes off once it works loose.

I have yet to discover whether spare parts are easily available. I would imagine I am in for a complete new unit, at least in the short term.

Ian Shepherd SM2000 414 Crusader Leros Dodecanese Greece


Re: Onan

caramel02uk <pjn.mccallin@...>
 

Hi Trevor, I suffered a similar problem and traced the fault to the earth solenoid. What I did was to remove the unit then drilled out the four pop rivits then clean the two big copper contacts and the plunger all was well thereafter. If you want you can remove the contacts and turn them through 180deg thus you get a fresh surface.I then replaced the rivits with small bolts and ni-lock nuts simples. Whilst looking at the problem I found that the small cooler which was supposed to be insulated it was not. The central clamp not insulated so I removed it and wraped insulating tape around the body and thus the unit became fully insulated!!
Regards Patrick

--- In amelyachtowners@..., amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

Hi Trevor:

Perhaps you have already solved your problem but let me seek some clarification on your problem. Do you have the shop manual for your genet?

1. I am confused from your post whether this is a problem with the engine cranking or whether this is a problem with the engine running.

a) If the engine suddenly stops, in my experience, this is usually due to one the several sensors on the engine (sea water temp over heat, low oil pressure, etc) telling the engine to shut down. You need to methodically work through each sensor (I don't have my shop manual here but I think there are at least 6 different sensors). They may actually be sensing a fault condition or there may be a faulty sensor, you will have to determine what is the case and repair accordingly. The sensors are mostly either normally open or normally closed switches and can be tested using a multi-meter.

b) If the engine won't crank (turn over as in trying to start it) then you have one of four problems;NOTE: THESE ENGINES HAVE TWO STARTER MOTOR SOLENOIDS (aka CONTACTORS). There is one on the + side and one on the - or ground side. Both solenoids have to work for the starter motor to work crank the engine.

1- a faulty positive side (12 VDC) contactor, check to see if you have 12 volts on the supply side of this contractor, then see if you have 12 volts on the output side of the contractor while someone tries to crank the motor with the start switch, if you have 12 volts in and 12 volts out when activated then this contactor is ok next ,
2- a faulty negative or earth side contractor (starter to ground on the tray). This contactor is mounted below the starter motor and is somewhat out of sight unless you bend way over. If you bypass this contactor you will NOT harm your engine. If bypassing this contactor allows the engine to crank when the start switch is activated then you either have a bad ground or a faulty ground side contactor.
3- a faulty starter motor, If you can measure 12 volts on the supply to the starter motor with your multimeter when the start switch is activated and you have a known good ground side contactor and known good positive side contactor, yet the motor won't crank, then your starter motor is faulty. Just to verify this you can remove the starter motor and take it to a shop to have it tested and/or repaired.
4- a faulty starter switch. If you don't see 12 volts on the control line to the contractors (both + and - side contractors) when the start switch is activated, then you probably have a faulty starter switch.

Once again, cranking (the engine being turned over by the starter motor) is a whole different problem from running. If you have already solved this, please let us know what you found. If not, give us some more details and perhaps we can add some more suggestions.

Best of luck,

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM2000 Hull #335
on the hard at Jolly Harbor, Antigua



--- In amelyachtowners@..., "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@> wrote:

Dear All,
my generator stopped dead while running a few days ago. No flashing lights. It cranked a couple of times then silence
I have checked the raw water, fresh water,systems, changed the fuel pump, a suspect earth strap from the solenoid to the tray . I have 12.7 volts at the solenoid if I short the terminals the engine will crank, but I don't want to let in run incase of further damage.
I have swopped over the relays for the starter under the white casing lid, but nothing all I get is the flashing green light at the start switch for a few seconds, I can feel the new fuel pimp working but no engine cranking.
The genset had a new rotor,stator and control panel last October at 1000 hours after burning out.
If anyone can shed some light I would be most grateful. I am in Mazatlan Mexico where the local service companies are willing but have no knowledge or access to Onan.
Many thanks.
Trevor

Seafever of Cuan
No 425


Re: Onan

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Trevor:

Perhaps you have already solved your problem but let me seek some clarification on your problem. Do you have the shop manual for your genet?

1. I am confused from your post whether this is a problem with the engine cranking or whether this is a problem with the engine running.

a) If the engine suddenly stops, in my experience, this is usually due to one the several sensors on the engine (sea water temp over heat, low oil pressure, etc) telling the engine to shut down. You need to methodically work through each sensor (I don't have my shop manual here but I think there are at least 6 different sensors). They may actually be sensing a fault condition or there may be a faulty sensor, you will have to determine what is the case and repair accordingly. The sensors are mostly either normally open or normally closed switches and can be tested using a multi-meter.

b) If the engine won't crank (turn over as in trying to start it) then you have one of four problems;NOTE: THESE ENGINES HAVE TWO STARTER MOTOR SOLENOIDS (aka CONTACTORS). There is one on the + side and one on the - or ground side. Both solenoids have to work for the starter motor to work crank the engine.

1- a faulty positive side (12 VDC) contactor, check to see if you have 12 volts on the supply side of this contractor, then see if you have 12 volts on the output side of the contractor while someone tries to crank the motor with the start switch, if you have 12 volts in and 12 volts out when activated then this contactor is ok next ,
2- a faulty negative or earth side contractor (starter to ground on the tray). This contactor is mounted below the starter motor and is somewhat out of sight unless you bend way over. If you bypass this contactor you will NOT harm your engine. If bypassing this contactor allows the engine to crank when the start switch is activated then you either have a bad ground or a faulty ground side contactor.
3- a faulty starter motor, If you can measure 12 volts on the supply to the starter motor with your multimeter when the start switch is activated and you have a known good ground side contactor and known good positive side contactor, yet the motor won't crank, then your starter motor is faulty. Just to verify this you can remove the starter motor and take it to a shop to have it tested and/or repaired.
4- a faulty starter switch. If you don't see 12 volts on the control line to the contractors (both + and - side contractors) when the start switch is activated, then you probably have a faulty starter switch.

Once again, cranking (the engine being turned over by the starter motor) is a whole different problem from running. If you have already solved this, please let us know what you found. If not, give us some more details and perhaps we can add some more suggestions.

Best of luck,

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM2000 Hull #335
on the hard at Jolly Harbor, Antigua

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@...> wrote:

Dear All,
my generator stopped dead while running a few days ago. No flashing lights. It cranked a couple of times then silence
I have checked the raw water, fresh water,systems, changed the fuel pump, a suspect earth strap from the solenoid to the tray . I have 12.7 volts at the solenoid if I short the terminals the engine will crank, but I don't want to let in run incase of further damage.
I have swopped over the relays for the starter under the white casing lid, but nothing all I get is the flashing green light at the start switch for a few seconds, I can feel the new fuel pimp working but no engine cranking.
The genset had a new rotor,stator and control panel last October at 1000 hours after burning out.
If anyone can shed some light I would be most grateful. I am in Mazatlan Mexico where the local service companies are willing but have no knowledge or access to Onan.
Many thanks.
Trevor

Seafever of Cuan
No 425


Re: [Amel] Lofran Tigre 1992 windlass

Massicotte Jean-Pierre <jp_nikan@...>
 

Thank Tom, we will do that and figure out what is the real power of this windlass, we are finishing the refit of this Santorin here in Annapolis before going to the Pacific. We bought her in Spain last june and now renewing the headliner. Hope to see down here in the fall.

Regards

J-P Massicotte
S/V Vanille, Santorin #51
Le 2013-06-26 10:38, Fisher, Thomas W. a crit :

Hi Jean-Pierre,

I believe if you remove the cover, the motor will have a plate or be stamped with info that will lead you to its specs. and from there to the correct brushes. Likely the only way to know for certain.

Tom Fisher
Sheila, Sharki #142
Kingston, Canada

________________________________
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of jp_nikan
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 09:55
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Lofran Tigre 1992 windlass

Thank Tom and Craig, the only problem i don't know if my unit is a 1000W or a 1200W.
Imtra list 2 differents parts numbers for the brushes.

Jean-Pierre Massicotte
Santorin Vanille #51

--- In amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>, "sv Sangaris" <sangaris@...> wrote:

Tom's right about the switch. It's readily available from chandlers - I spotted them just last week. Also, go to Lofrans website and they list the brushes under "spare parts".
Craig Briggs
s/v SANGARIS, SN68

--- In amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>, "Fisher, Thomas W." <fishert@> wrote:

Hi
The switch installed on the motor cover is an Amel modification. You can still get the switches from Amel the last time I check. Others have posted alternatives that I certain work out fine. Try searching older posts and you should find several of ideas if I recall.


Tom Fisher
Sheila, Sharki #142
Kingston, Canada


________________________________
From: amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of jp_nikan
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 17:43
To: amelyachtowners@...<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Lofran Tigre 1992 windlass



I recently purchased Amel Santorin # 51 1992, the windlass i believe is an older version of the Tigre with the control switches mounted on the cover. I would like to get the parts number for those control switches and the brushes for the motor. Anyone has this in their files?









Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

amelforme
 

Hello Danny and the propeller problems with fouling and wear and RPM reductions are not exclusive to the Volvo engine installation (and the Perkins Prima which is virtually the same engine). I had a Volvo equipped boat as my first demonstration boat, and then two Yanmar boats that I purchased in succession for use as demonstrators. The Yanmar boats did exactly the same thing with even one gooseneck barnacle on the Autoprop. That, and the fact that I have sold at least 70 used SM 53’s over the years and prepared for every sea trial with a prop inspection and/or cleaning to make sure that proper performance could be demonstrated. The Autoprop is a fine device if it is clean but they have a real Jekell-Hyde character change when dirty.



Your comments on usage and carbon and so forth are right on the money. I have sold boats with 700 hours on the diesel where the motor was never run past about 60% of maximum output. Of course these were smoky and well down on power to the 7000 hour example that was run flat stick frequently and always attempted to be kept in the 75%-90% power range and with otherwise exemplary maintenance. Diesels like to work and protest if they are made to loaf…



I always smile when I see that you are out and about enjoying your Amel the way God and Henri intended. You are a fortunate guy!



All the best,

Joel





Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: jfpottercys@...





From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM





Hi All,
It is of note that the problem is exclusive to the TMD 22. If it is a prop problem it beggars belief that no Yanmar equipped boats have trouble with their props. Surely all Yanmar owners do not do a so much better job of keeping any fouling off their propellers?

Also, as I understand the auto prop it automatically adjusts pitch to match power, and torque applied, the load, and boat speed. So the pitch would be different in a fully laden boat with all cruising gear on board, and 600l diesel and 1000 l of water and six persons and luggage aboard, pushing into 20 knots of wind and a chop, compared to an empty boat in flat water with no opposing wind. I would expect the fully laden boat to operate with a lesser pitch to allow revs to be attained, like changing down gears in a car going up a steep hill.

Likewise, if two identical boats, identically laden in identical circumstances, had different diameter propellers, would not the auto prop automatically compensate for this by applying a lesser pitch to the larger prop? It would do this on the boats with the 100hp engines running at less than full power would they not?.

I believe we may find different owners (or past owners) habitual usage of their motors over long periods may well be a factor. Diesel engines like to work, and work for long periods of time, to get good and hot and burn off accumulated carbon deposits.

Speaking of Carbon deposits. There is a cast iron casting at the end of the exhaust manifold. This is where the cooling water enters the exhaust system. It is a common problem across all engine types for large amounts of carbon the build up here, to the extent it can completely clog the exhaust. It is caused by the change in temperature as the water meets the VERY HOT exhaust gases. Twice recently I have heard of engines actually being stopped by this, one was a Kubota diving a gen set on an Amel, the other was a small Yanmar in a 30 footer. The owner of the Yanmar, a quite skilled home mechanic, had gone to the extent of removing the motor and completely disasembling it before he found the inaccessible exhaust almost completely clogged where the water and hot gasses met.
Food for thought,
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Cruising Fiji

________________________________
From: Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 24 June 2013 8:35 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM


I have recently been having the same problem with my TMD22. I cannot get
more than about 1700 rpms, but if I stop and then flat stick the throttle,
the autoprop will spin up into the turbo range and then I have (what seems
to be) almost normal power until I let the rpms drop below 2100. The
maximum revs are 2700 instead of the normal 2800 as of last summer; however
the big problem is new this year. Over the winter, I had the fresh water
pump replaced and the injectors checked and adjusted and the turbo replaced.
The autoprop is clean and to make sure, the autoprop people just rebuilt it.
A fixed prop does not solve the issue. I am about to turn to the high
pressure fuel pump. Any suggestions will be most welcome.

Miles, S/Y Ladybug (SM 216) in Newport, RI

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Re: Lofran Tigre 1992 windlass

Alain Feuillet <alainfeuillet@...>
 

Hi,
I guess what you are looking for is this one:
http://www.bigship.com/catalogue/electricite-1/distribution/interrupteur
s/bouton-poussoir-etanche?cnt=1189447&scc=1049041&seg=1
Sorry this is in french and I hope you can understand
Fair winds
Alain
PILGRIM SM#26


Re: [Amel] Locking up Your inflatable??

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi I am in newport looking forward to meeting up. There will be at least four Amels here.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Jun 27, 2013, at 6:21, Paul LaFrance <pflafrance@...> wrote:

Tom
We have been travelling back and forth EastCoast/Carib for the past 10 years. We make it a practice to always secure our dingy whenever we are ashore. We use a Motorcycle cable Krypto?? with a similiar lock. about 20 feet in length. The cable is attached to the motor and run through the fuel tank and dingy bolt. We also secure the dingy at nite to the vessel and normally raise it out of the water using the mizzen halyard. Keeps the bottom clean also. Remember this is your car and we always lock it up. We note that thieves normally only want the motor so it is also prudent to secure the motor with a lock across the turning bolts. We secure the fuel tank as there have been cases where the fuel is stolen only due to the cost of petro. Thieves like to go for the 2 stroke engines in particular.
We are currently in Kingston, Ont. and can be contacted at 941-323-7838

Paul & Sue
SV NOMAD #362 Moored in Newport RI

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: fishert@...
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:01:58 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Locking up Your inflatable??


























Hi All.



Looking for some advise as I know many of you have travelled extensively in the Caribbean and American east coast.



We are heading south from Canada next year and I'm wondering what folks are doing about securing their inflatable while on shore. Not a specific Amel Question but Any tried and tips would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks



Tom Fisher

Sheila, Sharki #142

Kingston, Canada



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Re: [Amel] Re: Volvo Penta TMD22 Low RPM

Rainer Huthmacher
 

Hi everyone,
My SM has a Perkins Prima MT80 basically the same as the Volvo.
When I was cruising the Carribean last winter I had problems with my turbo. So I went to Amel in Martinique and asked for a new one. They told me it would be 2500.-€. I said no thanks and cleaned out my turbo and got it spinning again.
The engine repair shop in the same marina told me that he has a second hand unit (not rebuilt) for a "cheap" 1500.-€. So when I Ieft my boat in Curaçao I took the turbo with me and I found a dealer in Germany which sold me a brand new turbo (not rebuilt) for 600.-€.
So, buyer beware. I'm used to pay double because I'm a boat owner, but 4 times? Sometimes it makes me sick....
Anyway here comes my question:
I need a new heat cover for the turbo.
Amel charges 750€. Does anyone know where to get this part for a normal price?
All the best,
Rainer Huthmacher
SM#69 "Yin Yang"
Am 26.06.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "islandbwoy4434" <terencesingh@...>:

Dear Mark, thank you for the suggestion with respect to the Turbo Charger.
Given that the Turbo is a rebuilt unit with less than 2 hours on it and I am able to hear the unit spinning (as I have not installed the heat shield yet) I am still leaning towards the propellor.
I am still waiting to hear back from Geoff at AB Marine with respect to the new reduction ratio on the replacement transmission.
Terry

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Mark Erdos" <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Dear Terry & Dena, SV Libby #196.



The advice you have received is all very good. I have had the exact same
issue on Cream Puff. The engine is still in its infancy. It only has 890
hours. However, I developed the problem of not being able to get more then
2000 rpm. We could easily reach 6-7 knots at 2000 rpm but there was nothing
more. We also put out a little black smoke when we tried to push the engine
harder. Here are the things we checked before we solved the problem:



1) Replaced Vetus plastic muffler to ensure we did not have an exhaust
obstruction (did not solve issue - we now have a spare one).

2) Checked fuel flow throughout the system (all was good). We were also
getting a little black smoke when we pushed the engine to go over 2000 rpm.
This is also an indication of sufficient fuel flow.

3) Replaced the prop (we have a spare (if Joel is reading this - the
fact we have a spare prop just made him smile)) - did not solve issue



Prior to replacing the prop, I was convinced this was going to solve our
issue. As you can tell by the other posts in response to your question other
great minds think alike.

Our problem turned out to be the turbo charger. I took off the air filter
and casement to the turbo charge to inspect the fan and shaft. I could see
the turbo charger shaft was not turning. I removed the turbo charger, took
it apart and cleaned it. When I put the serviced unit back on the engine -
eureka!



I would suggest you ensure your turbo charger is working correctly before
going down the prop route. I wish I had done that first and saved the haul
out fee. I agree with others the prop route is the most likely cause,
however the turbo charger will cause the same symptoms and the magic number
is 2000 rpm. The fact you have already had an issue there before, I would
suggest you make sure it is fixed. You can check the turbo charger using a
listening rod. You will hear it whirl at a very high speed and you are
listening for a continuous sound. Please be careful putting you head this
close to the engine while it is running.



Hope this helps.



Best regards,



Mark

Cream Puff

SM2K #275

www.creampuff.us







Re: sweet water scheme

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Attilio,
I will send you a photo of this drawing via email - hope it helps. If others need it, let me know.
Craig
s/v SANGARIS SN68 in Gumushluk, TK

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Attilio Su Yahoo <attilio.siviero@...> wrote:

Hi there,
Somebody has the original scheme/drawing of sweet water circuitry of the Santorin? ......
Attilio&Maria from Amel Santorin #84 "Sisila" in Monfalcone IT


Re: [Amel] John-- Motor lifting block on mizzen boom

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi all, Defender list about 25 cheek blocks that can handle 1700# and 7/16 line. Check it out. They will ship international too
Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Jun 25, 2013, at 16:37, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi John,

I thought the block was a lewmar but I could not find it in the catalog (it
is Marked England) I also tried Bowman also no luck.

Are you able to find it on the Lewmar site?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Anne and John Hollamby
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:44 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Motor lifting block on mizzen boom

Hi Eric,
It is a small Lewmar block which had been fully disassembled and only the
sheave perhaps with its bearing and the two cheeks are used.
Regards, John Bali Hai SM 319 Malta

From: Sailorman
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:59 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Motor lifting block on mizzen boom

Hi,

Does anyone know the maker of the block ( I think it was originally a fiddle
block) that Amel uses on the end of mizzen boom to lift the Outboard out of
the stern locker ?

I believe it was on later model Amel Super Maramus

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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Re: [Amel] Re: Disturbing messages from Turkey

Stephen Hancock
 

The Turks can be violent, ask the Armenians. There are places in every country including the good old USA that look good but are in fact not safe. It requires more then a simple, it is safe others just sensationalize it, as a problem. Maybe call your embassy before you travel to any area. The Turkish culture is more European but still people of opportunity can ruin your day or life. Don't just take anyone's advice without personnel research. People are bias because the have had no trouble. As far as asking someone that loves their country their are truly bias. Travels in any country are targets. 


________________________________

 

Hi Ian
Where on Leros are you? We are in Xerokambos.

Possible to have an Amel union?

/Ann-Sofie & Jonas
SM 232, S/Y Lady Annila


Skickat från min iPad

26 jun 2013 kl. 15:52 skrev "Ian Shepherd" <mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>:

I agree with Bill & Mike on this one. Don't be fooled by what you hear
or read in the media. They are a bunch of sensationalists working to get
the most attention by hyping up the reality. I met several Turkish
tourists whilst in Simi and their view was that the situation was more
of an amusement than a threat. One couple even said that it was good to
see the Turkish people expressing their feelings for once.

Whilst I have technically not been in Turkey this summer as I have a pet
on board with an EU only passport, I did overnight in Kekova Roads for
shelter, where everything looked absolutely normal. I don't think that
anyone has anything to worry about near the coast. Maybe a night stroll
through Taksim Square in Istanbul might be unwise, but so was a night
stroll in Barbados in 1970 when I was mugged at knife point!

I remember many years ago when Northern Ireland was all bullets and
bombs (according to the press). I had to go to Belfast to deliver a
yacht to Scotland. With some trepidation I asked my taxi driver to stay
well clear of the troubles. He laughed and said that you would have to
be in about a one square mile area near the Falls Road to have any
likelihood of seeing any action. He was right of course.

I will email an Australian friend who lives right in Taksim Square and
ask her opinion. If it's of value I will post it.

Enjoy Turkey

Ian Shepherd (& baby Siberian Husky Kelly) SM 414 Crusader - Leros Greece

On 24/06/2013 16:16, Mike Johnson wrote:

Hi John & Bill,

Let's not get carried away. It's safer visiting Turkey than a lot of
cities around the world - but we still go to them!

For good advice visit the UK FCO website. The link for Turkey is:
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey

Regards

Mike

Solitude

SM2K #461




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Just because cities in the U.S. are dangerous, like Chicago and
Detroit does not mean areas in Turkey are worth risking your life to
visit. I heard the same argument about Egypt and now you are never
sure what to expect. Muslim extremists are every where and if you
don't really know the area then you are putting yourself in danger,
much like visiting Detroit. Great culture but now maybe not the time
to visit for the novice.

________________________________



John,

We have been in the US since Dec because of my cancer surgery in Feb.
We return to Gocek on 1 July.

We do not consider things dangerous in Turkey. Remember, the protests
are against the government's conservative swing to add more religion
to government. Ataturk led the revolution which created a secular
state. Most Turks want what Ataturk fought for. These protests are not
unlike protests against too much government in the US. Look at the
crime and murder rate in Turkey as compared to the US or UK before
making a decision. You will be surprised at how much safer Turkey is.
Also remember that it is very unlikely that you will be wihin 1000
miles of any protest while cruising Turkey.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, Sm2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "John Hollamby"
<annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Hello Bill and Judy,
I have some friends who were going to spend a few days holiday in
Turkey with their children.I have just received a couple of messages
forwarded from Turks warning about the troubles from which it would
appear that things could get worse not better on the basis that many
are unhappy about the trend away from the secular state to an Islamic one.
Do you have any views for those who were intending to sail to Turkey
this season?

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319, Malta


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Re: [Amel] Re: Disturbing messages from Turkey

Ian Shepherd
 

Further to my last, I have received the following from my friend Roz who
lives in the centre of Istanbul:


"As to the riots, life here in Istanbul is pretty normal, people
generally avoid Taksim if they aren't protesting. I'm over that way
every day and just try to get out of there by 5pm. So feel safe by
coming here. I will let u know if it gets worse. I'm flat out at the
moment travelling all over Turkey doing exams and can't see myself
having a holiday until Aug for a week then a month in Oct, but not
complaining, its work!!"

So as you can see, apart from Taksim Square in the centre of Istanbul,
it's all a storm in a teacup.

Regards

Ian Shepherd SM2000 414 Crusader - Dodecanese

On 26/06/2013 12:52, Ian Shepherd wrote:

I agree with Bill & Mike on this one. Don't be fooled by what you hear
or read in the media. They are a bunch of sensationalists working to get
the most attention by hyping up the reality. I met several Turkish
tourists whilst in Simi and their view was that the situation was more
of an amusement than a threat. One couple even said that it was good to
see the Turkish people expressing their feelings for once.

Whilst I have technically not been in Turkey this summer as I have a pet
on board with an EU only passport, I did overnight in Kekova Roads for
shelter, where everything looked absolutely normal. I don't think that
anyone has anything to worry about near the coast. Maybe a night stroll
through Taksim Square in Istanbul might be unwise, but so was a night
stroll in Barbados in 1970 when I was mugged at knife point!

I remember many years ago when Northern Ireland was all bullets and
bombs (according to the press). I had to go to Belfast to deliver a
yacht to Scotland. With some trepidation I asked my taxi driver to stay
well clear of the troubles. He laughed and said that you would have to
be in about a one square mile area near the Falls Road to have any
likelihood of seeing any action. He was right of course.

I will email an Australian friend who lives right in Taksim Square and
ask her opinion. If it's of value I will post it.

Enjoy Turkey

Ian Shepherd (& baby Siberian Husky Kelly) SM 414 Crusader - Leros Greece

On 24/06/2013 16:16, Mike Johnson wrote:

Hi John & Bill,

Let's not get carried away. It's safer visiting Turkey than a lot of
cities around the world - but we still go to them!

For good advice visit the UK FCO website. The link for Turkey is:
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey

Regards

Mike

Solitude

SM2K #461




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Sent: Monday, 24 June 2013, 15:06
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Disturbing messages from Turkey


Just because cities in the U.S. are dangerous, like Chicago and
Detroit does not mean areas in Turkey are worth risking your life to
visit. I heard the same argument about Egypt and now you are never
sure what to expect. Muslim extremists are every where and if you
don't really know the area then you are putting yourself in danger,
much like visiting Detroit. Great culture but now maybe not the time
to visit for the novice.

________________________________



John,

We have been in the US since Dec because of my cancer surgery in Feb.
We return to Gocek on 1 July.

We do not consider things dangerous in Turkey. Remember, the protests
are against the government's conservative swing to add more religion
to government. Ataturk led the revolution which created a secular
state. Most Turks want what Ataturk fought for. These protests are not
unlike protests against too much government in the US. Look at the
crime and murder rate in Turkey as compared to the US or UK before
making a decision. You will be surprised at how much safer Turkey is.
Also remember that it is very unlikely that you will be wihin 1000
miles of any protest while cruising Turkey.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, Sm2k, #387
Gocek, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "John Hollamby"
<annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Hello Bill and Judy,
I have some friends who were going to spend a few days holiday in
Turkey with their children.I have just received a couple of messages
forwarded from Turks warning about the troubles from which it would
appear that things could get worse not better on the basis that many
are unhappy about the trend away from the secular state to an
Islamic one.
Do you have any views for those who were intending to sail to Turkey
this season?

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319, Malta
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Paguro generator

Rainer Huthmacher
 

Hi everyone,
My paguro generator needs a new seawaterpump (Jabsco). I wrote the part number on a paper and forgot it on the boat. My boat, a SM#69, is in Curaçao and I'm in Germany. So if anyone owns an earlier SM with a Paguro I would greatly appreciate your help. The part number is written on the pump cover...
Thanks a bunch,
Rainer Huthmacher
SM#69 "Yin Yang"