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Re: [Amel] Fresh Water Pump

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Ian, I am not on the boat till next week so can't answer your question at the moment. We now only have the separate expansion tank which sits outboard of the Onan. The pump is noisier than the Amel original but not unduly so and I could easily reduce the noise by putting a rubber layer under the feet.
I spoke to Jabsco about their pump which needs no expansion tank and they told me that they were on the point of improving its performance and to wait another year before buying one. This was a couple of years ago. I haven't followed it up because we are very happy with the Jabsco which we bought.40 psi gives a wonderful shower, even better than the Amel unit which was very good itself.
Incidentally, we also fitted the bayonet deck fitting for our anchor wash and at the same time switched to a Jabsco wash down pump for that purpose after the original Amel anchor wash pump and delivery point was overwhelmed by Brasilian mud. Big improvement having a short length of hose and a hand gun fitting.
Cheers,
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Malta

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: sv_freespirit@...
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 08:02:19 +0000
Subject: Re: [Amel] Fresh Water Pump

Hi Ian,

I have been researching Jabsco pumps but there are so many to choose
from. If it's not to much trouble could you please confirm that you have
the ParMax 3.5' Part Number 32600-0094 priced at £106.40 plus VAT?

Also, did you retain the accumulator tank? If not, is the output smooth
enough? I see that Jabsco also do a range of constant output pumps,
though at a price. These may be more power consuming and use more water
I guess.

Regards

Ian SM 2K 414 Crusader Limnos Island Greece

On 31/07/2013 08:36, Ian & Judy Jenkins wrote:

Hi Ian, No, the pressure switch we have is not adjustable. We chose a
powerful pump---40 psi from memory. Makes for a wonderful shower ! Ian
and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Malta

To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
From: sv_freespirit@... <mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:19:23 +0000
Subject: Re: [Amel] Fresh Water Pump

Hi Ian & Judy,

thanks for this. I have a higher output pump (as an optional extra)
than the standard which gives better showers. Are the pressure switches
on your Jabsco adjustable? I have had the pump apart in the past so
envisage no problems if I purchase a new impeller.

Say hello to Malta for me. S & D Yachts handle my registration.

Ian SM2000 # 414 Crusader

On 30/07/2013 07:34, Ian & Judy Jenkins wrote:

Hi Ian, I tried to replace the impeller but couldn't get the front
plate off.I decided to replace the pump with a Jabsco plastic job (
similar to those used by Amel for the heads ). Three years later I
can
say that it does the job just as well , no problems with pressure
switches and about one third the price.
Our original heads pumps, now 13 years old, are still delivering.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Malta

To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
From: sv_freespirit@...
<mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk> <mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:33:12 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Fresh Water Pump

I have an A.M.F.A A88 fresh water pump with the bronze impeller. The
pump struggles to reach cut off pressure after an overnight
discharge of
the batteries down to around 24.0 V. The Square D pressure
switch was
replaced about a year ago and adjustment cannot cure the problem. A
couple of times now I have forgotten to trip the pump CB last
thing at
night leading to a massive discharge of the batteries after the pump
failed to reach cut off pressure.

Looking at the impeller there does not seem much that can wear, but
maybe changing it will result in more pressure? Has anyone replaced
this
impeller with a noticeable improvement please?

Ian Shepherd SM2000 #414 Crusader Built Jul 2003 Thassos Greece


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Bad odours coming from the A/C

luvkante
 

Hi everybody,

Whenever we leave our boat for a couple of days, the A/C creates nasty odours. I assume, that this is because the cooling water hoses are not gas tight.

The A/C smell in the owners cabin is the worst.

Does anybody have experience in resolving this issue?

Your support is highly appreciated.

Martin
Amel 54 "Chiara"
#149


[Amel] Re: An Automatic Anchor Wash

ullaroo
 

Hi Ian,

Thanks for the information. Forward looking sonar is high on my new equipment list. But mainly for obvious reasons like navigation among coral reefs and entering shallow anchorages that you mentioned already. I've never thought that it can be useful to monitor your anchor and chain.

Fair winds,
Üllar

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Hello Üllar,

I have an Interphase Probe forward looking sonar with the display
mounted on the instrument panel between the boat speed and wind angle
indicators. This was possible as I specified this layout before the boat
was built. The sonar shows the chain very clearly if you select the
shallowest range (6M) and adjust the gain in manual mode to about 13.
The display shows the chain and its vertical angle relative to the boat
which is most useful when moving forwards to eliminate unnecessary
stress on the windlass. An over run is also clearly shown. The anchor
itself shows clearly which is useful when the chain counter shows 3-4
metres more to go than it actually the case!

However it only works if the bow is aligned with the chain, so you need
to be good at following the path of the chain to have a continuous
picture throughout anchor retrieval. It can be an interesting game
knowing which way to turn!

By the way I was told a lot of nonsense by Pochon that the Probe was
useless at seeing the seabed in front of you at anything faster than 3.5
knots. This might be the case if you set the gain to automatic, which I
never do. If the gain is adjusted manually I can see a clear picture
even at 8 knots. It's been a very useful tool and has enabled me to tuck
into shallow anchorages, chose a flat spot to drop the anchor,
differentiate between rocks and sand/mud, creep over reefs and avoid
groundings.

I hope this helps.

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader Myrina Limnos Greece

On 06/08/2013 07:54, ullaroo wrote:

Hi Ian,

Your solution is very intriguing from shorthanders point of view. Can
you give more detail about your anchoring equipment? What type of
sonar? How clear is chain on sonar picture?

Regards,
Üllar

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>, Ian Shepherd
<sv_freespirit@> wrote:

Hi Kent,

at least I am not the only one to have the problem. Whilst Stateside I
bought a very neat through deck fitting called 'Washdown'. Yes you have
to drill a hole through the foredeck, but at least you can wash that
area down with the lockers shut tight. I too have a garden hose and
spray nozzle that fits into the bayonet deck fitting. As I prefer to
weigh the anchor from the cockpit watching the chain angle on my
forward
looking sonar, leaning over the bow and washing the chain by hand
before
it reaches the roller is not an option as I am mostly single handed.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader Limnos Greece


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Re: [Amel] Re: An Automatic Anchor Wash

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Ian,

I can't wait to try!!! This sounds so exciting!
I was wondering how to retreive their anchor shorthanded!

I have only received my boat 5 months ago, but I am amazed of what I have been learning through the forum as well as friends/neighbor, previous owner, between checking the Air conditionning capacitators, making my own gasket, and so on. A never ending learning experience which I really enjoy.

Alexandre
SM2K NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA


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On Tue, 8/6/13, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: An Automatic Anchor Wash
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, August 6, 2013, 10:19 AM
















 









Hello Üllar,



I have an Interphase Probe forward looking sonar with the
display

mounted on the instrument panel between the boat speed and
wind angle

indicators. This was possible as I specified this layout
before the boat

was built. The sonar shows the chain very clearly if you
select the

shallowest range (6M) and adjust the gain in manual mode to
about 13.

The display shows the chain and its vertical angle relative
to the boat

which is most useful when moving forwards to eliminate
unnecessary

stress on the windlass. An over run is also clearly shown.
The anchor

itself shows clearly which is useful when the chain counter
shows 3-4

metres more to go than it actually the case!



However it only works if the bow is aligned with the chain,
so you need

to be good at following the path of the chain to have a
continuous

picture throughout anchor retrieval. It can be an
interesting game

knowing which way to turn!



By the way I was told a lot of nonsense by Pochon that the
Probe was

useless at seeing the seabed in front of you at anything
faster than 3.5

knots. This might be the case if you set the gain to
automatic, which I

never do. If the gain is adjusted manually I can see a clear
picture

even at 8 knots. It's been a very useful tool and has
enabled me to tuck

into shallow anchorages, chose a flat spot to drop the
anchor,

differentiate between rocks and sand/mud, creep over reefs
and avoid

groundings.



I hope this helps.



Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader Myrina Limnos Greece



On 06/08/2013 07:54, ullaroo wrote:

>

> Hi Ian,

>

> Your solution is very intriguing from shorthanders
point of view. Can

> you give more detail about your anchoring equipment?
What type of

> sonar? How clear is chain on sonar picture?

>

> Regards,

> Üllar

>

> --- In amelyachtowners@...


> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>, Ian
Shepherd

> <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Kent,

> >

> > at least I am not the only one to have the
problem. Whilst Stateside I

> > bought a very neat through deck fitting called
'Washdown'. Yes you have

> > to drill a hole through the foredeck, but at least
you can wash that

> > area down with the lockers shut tight. I too have
a garden hose and

> > spray nozzle that fits into the bayonet deck
fitting. As I prefer to

> > weigh the anchor from the cockpit watching the
chain angle on my

> forward

> > looking sonar, leaning over the bow and washing
the chain by hand

> before

> > it reaches the roller is not an option as I am
mostly single handed.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Ian SM 414 Crusader Limnos Greece

>

>


Re: [Amel] Re: An Automatic Anchor Wash

Ian Shepherd
 

Hello Üllar,

I have an Interphase Probe forward looking sonar with the display
mounted on the instrument panel between the boat speed and wind angle
indicators. This was possible as I specified this layout before the boat
was built. The sonar shows the chain very clearly if you select the
shallowest range (6M) and adjust the gain in manual mode to about 13.
The display shows the chain and its vertical angle relative to the boat
which is most useful when moving forwards to eliminate unnecessary
stress on the windlass. An over run is also clearly shown. The anchor
itself shows clearly which is useful when the chain counter shows 3-4
metres more to go than it actually the case!

However it only works if the bow is aligned with the chain, so you need
to be good at following the path of the chain to have a continuous
picture throughout anchor retrieval. It can be an interesting game
knowing which way to turn!

By the way I was told a lot of nonsense by Pochon that the Probe was
useless at seeing the seabed in front of you at anything faster than 3.5
knots. This might be the case if you set the gain to automatic, which I
never do. If the gain is adjusted manually I can see a clear picture
even at 8 knots. It's been a very useful tool and has enabled me to tuck
into shallow anchorages, chose a flat spot to drop the anchor,
differentiate between rocks and sand/mud, creep over reefs and avoid
groundings.

I hope this helps.

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader Myrina Limnos Greece

On 06/08/2013 07:54, ullaroo wrote:

Hi Ian,

Your solution is very intriguing from shorthanders point of view. Can
you give more detail about your anchoring equipment? What type of
sonar? How clear is chain on sonar picture?

Regards,
Üllar

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>, Ian Shepherd
<sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Hi Kent,

at least I am not the only one to have the problem. Whilst Stateside I
bought a very neat through deck fitting called 'Washdown'. Yes you have
to drill a hole through the foredeck, but at least you can wash that
area down with the lockers shut tight. I too have a garden hose and
spray nozzle that fits into the bayonet deck fitting. As I prefer to
weigh the anchor from the cockpit watching the chain angle on my
forward
looking sonar, leaning over the bow and washing the chain by hand
before
it reaches the roller is not an option as I am mostly single handed.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader Limnos Greece


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Re: [Amel] routing cable for outhaul motor

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Hans,

This is not exactly what you want, but should help, on the last picture of the link, you can see the messenger line.

Let me know if you can see the link:
http://nikimat.com/outhaul_motor_rebuild.html

Sincerely, Alexandre


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On Tue, 8/6/13, Hans-Joachim <Dr.Hofschulte@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel] routing cable for outhaul motor
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, August 6, 2013, 2:58 AM
















 









Hi all,

could anybody send me one photo or more of the backside of
the mast under the boom, so that I can see the routing of
the cable for the outhaul motor .

The preowner of my boat changed something and I want to make
it original.

dr.hofschulte at t-online.de

many thanks in advance

Hans-Joachim

Johanna-Amalthea SM 2000 #436 Santa Cruz De Tenerife


Re: [Amel] Fresh Water Pump

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Ian,

I have been researching Jabsco pumps but there are so many to choose
from. If it's not to much trouble could you please confirm that you have
the ParMax 3.5' Part Number 32600-0094 priced at £106.40 plus VAT?

Also, did you retain the accumulator tank? If not, is the output smooth
enough? I see that Jabsco also do a range of constant output pumps,
though at a price. These may be more power consuming and use more water
I guess.

Regards

Ian SM 2K 414 Crusader Limnos Island Greece

On 31/07/2013 08:36, Ian & Judy Jenkins wrote:

Hi Ian, No, the pressure switch we have is not adjustable. We chose a
powerful pump---40 psi from memory. Makes for a wonderful shower ! Ian
and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Malta

To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
From: sv_freespirit@... <mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:19:23 +0000
Subject: Re: [Amel] Fresh Water Pump

Hi Ian & Judy,

thanks for this. I have a higher output pump (as an optional extra)
than the standard which gives better showers. Are the pressure switches
on your Jabsco adjustable? I have had the pump apart in the past so
envisage no problems if I purchase a new impeller.

Say hello to Malta for me. S & D Yachts handle my registration.

Ian SM2000 # 414 Crusader

On 30/07/2013 07:34, Ian & Judy Jenkins wrote:

Hi Ian, I tried to replace the impeller but couldn't get the front
plate off.I decided to replace the pump with a Jabsco plastic job (
similar to those used by Amel for the heads ). Three years later I
can
say that it does the job just as well , no problems with pressure
switches and about one third the price.
Our original heads pumps, now 13 years old, are still delivering.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Malta

To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
From: sv_freespirit@...
<mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk> <mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:33:12 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Fresh Water Pump

I have an A.M.F.A A88 fresh water pump with the bronze impeller. The
pump struggles to reach cut off pressure after an overnight
discharge of
the batteries down to around 24.0 V. The Square D pressure
switch was
replaced about a year ago and adjustment cannot cure the problem. A
couple of times now I have forgotten to trip the pump CB last
thing at
night leading to a massive discharge of the batteries after the pump
failed to reach cut off pressure.

Looking at the impeller there does not seem much that can wear, but
maybe changing it will result in more pressure? Has anyone replaced
this
impeller with a noticeable improvement please?

Ian Shepherd SM2000 #414 Crusader Built Jul 2003 Thassos Greece


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routing cable for outhaul motor

dr_hofschulte
 

Hi all,
could anybody send me one photo or more of the backside of the mast under the boom, so that I can see the routing of the cable for the outhaul motor .
The preowner of my boat changed something and I want to make it original.
dr.hofschulte at t-online.de
many thanks in advance
Hans-Joachim
Johanna-Amalthea SM 2000 #436 Santa Cruz De Tenerife


Re: An Automatic Anchor Wash

ullaroo
 

Hi Ian,

Your solution is very intriguing from shorthanders point of view. Can you give more detail about your anchoring equipment? What type of sonar? How clear is chain on sonar picture?

Regards,
Üllar

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Hi Kent,

at least I am not the only one to have the problem. Whilst Stateside I
bought a very neat through deck fitting called 'Washdown'. Yes you have
to drill a hole through the foredeck, but at least you can wash that
area down with the lockers shut tight. I too have a garden hose and
spray nozzle that fits into the bayonet deck fitting. As I prefer to
weigh the anchor from the cockpit watching the chain angle on my forward
looking sonar, leaning over the bow and washing the chain by hand before
it reaches the roller is not an option as I am mostly single handed.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader Limnos Greece


Re: [Amel] An Automatic Anchor Wash

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Kent,

at least I am not the only one to have the problem. Whilst Stateside I
bought a very neat through deck fitting called 'Washdown'. Yes you have
to drill a hole through the foredeck, but at least you can wash that
area down with the lockers shut tight. I too have a garden hose and
spray nozzle that fits into the bayonet deck fitting. As I prefer to
weigh the anchor from the cockpit watching the chain angle on my forward
looking sonar, leaning over the bow and washing the chain by hand before
it reaches the roller is not an option as I am mostly single handed.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader Limnos Greece

The Deck Fitting:
http://www.marinemegastore.com/product-DECK-WASH-DOWN-FITTING-BSP-CONNECTOR-AQU_Q06830.htm

On 05/08/2013 00:20, Kent Robertson wrote:

I have spliced a hose into the line in the port bow locker going from
the pump to the anchor wash nozzle with a Y connector and two valves
(cheap garden hose fittings). A 10 ft piece of of hose is plenty to
reach around the bow pulpit and wash the chain before it comes aboard.
Before that modification, I found that the anchor wash usually left
mud and other nasty stuff on the chain which ended up on the deck and
in the chain locker. Now my chain is clean when it gets to the boat.

Kent
SM243 KRISTY
Brunswick GA USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...
<mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:

I would expect that we have all at some time forgotten to switch off
the
anchor wash pump. Not a big deal if you have the original design apart
from wasted battery power. However if you have converted your system to
freshwater as I have, it could seriously deplete your water supply. I
once wasted over 600 litres of fresh water when I got distracted and
forgot to switch the pump off. I have found a neat way to prevent this
happening. The anchor wash and the red light now work automatically
(with the anchor wash switch in the off position) whenever the toggle
switch is moved to the up position or the up button on the windlass is
pressed. You can now be sure that whenever you pause weighing the
anchor
or let go of the switch/ button the water will cease to flow. The on
off
switch still functions normally which is necessary for me as I have a Y
valve in the forward port side locker so that water can be fed to a
through deck bayonet fitting to which I can attach a deck cleaning hose.

The mod is very simple. All you need is a 24V auto-mobile type single
pole relay. Mine cost 3.5 Euros. Connect one side of the coil to the
forward lower terminal on the anchor up/down switch in the cockpit.
Connect the other side of the coil to any ground connection on the 24V
panel. Connect the other two contacts (Common and Normally open) to
each
side of the anchor wash switch. It does not matter which way round.
Secure the relay in position with a cable tie around some wiring loom.
That's it.

I still think that the wash is inefficient in its use of water. A spray
pattern angled across the chain would be better, especially when the
chain is off to one side when the water can mostly miss the chain
altogether. Sealpump.com is a company that specializes in all sorts of
spray nozzles. Below is the link to one that might suit the Amel.

Regards

Ian Shepherd Sm 414 Crusader Thassos

http://www.sealpump.com/datasheets/Full%20Cone%20Nozzle.pdf
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Re: [Amel] An Automatic Anchor Wash

karkauai
 

I have spliced a hose into the line in the port bow locker going from the pump to the anchor wash nozzle with a Y connector and two valves (cheap garden hose fittings). A 10 ft piece of of hose is plenty to reach around the bow pulpit and wash the chain before it comes aboard. Before that modification, I found that the anchor wash usually left mud and other nasty stuff on the chain which ended up on the deck and in the chain locker. Now my chain is clean when it gets to the boat.

Kent
SM243 KRISTY
Brunswick GA USA
On Aug 4, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

I would expect that we have all at some time forgotten to switch off the
anchor wash pump. Not a big deal if you have the original design apart
from wasted battery power. However if you have converted your system to
freshwater as I have, it could seriously deplete your water supply. I
once wasted over 600 litres of fresh water when I got distracted and
forgot to switch the pump off. I have found a neat way to prevent this
happening. The anchor wash and the red light now work automatically
(with the anchor wash switch in the off position) whenever the toggle
switch is moved to the up position or the up button on the windlass is
pressed. You can now be sure that whenever you pause weighing the anchor
or let go of the switch/ button the water will cease to flow. The on off
switch still functions normally which is necessary for me as I have a Y
valve in the forward port side locker so that water can be fed to a
through deck bayonet fitting to which I can attach a deck cleaning hose.

The mod is very simple. All you need is a 24V auto-mobile type single
pole relay. Mine cost 3.5 Euros. Connect one side of the coil to the
forward lower terminal on the anchor up/down switch in the cockpit.
Connect the other side of the coil to any ground connection on the 24V
panel. Connect the other two contacts (Common and Normally open) to each
side of the anchor wash switch. It does not matter which way round.
Secure the relay in position with a cable tie around some wiring loom.
That's it.

I still think that the wash is inefficient in its use of water. A spray
pattern angled across the chain would be better, especially when the
chain is off to one side when the water can mostly miss the chain
altogether. Sealpump.com is a company that specializes in all sorts of
spray nozzles. Below is the link to one that might suit the Amel.

Regards

Ian Shepherd Sm 414 Crusader Thassos

http://www.sealpump.com/datasheets/Full%20Cone%20Nozzle.pdf

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An Automatic Anchor Wash

Ian Shepherd
 

I would expect that we have all at some time forgotten to switch off the anchor wash pump. Not a big deal if you have the original design apart from wasted battery power. However if you have converted your system to freshwater as I have, it could seriously deplete your water supply. I once wasted over 600 litres of fresh water when I got distracted and forgot to switch the pump off. I have found a neat way to prevent this happening. The anchor wash and the red light now work automatically (with the anchor wash switch in the off position) whenever the toggle switch is moved to the up position or the up button on the windlass is pressed. You can now be sure that whenever you pause weighing the anchor or let go of the switch/ button the water will cease to flow. The on off switch still functions normally which is necessary for me as I have a Y valve in the forward port side locker so that water can be fed to a through deck bayonet fitting to which I can attach a deck cleaning hose.

The mod is very simple. All you need is a 24V auto-mobile type single pole relay. Mine cost 3.5 Euros. Connect one side of the coil to the forward lower terminal on the anchor up/down switch in the cockpit. Connect the other side of the coil to any ground connection on the 24V panel. Connect the other two contacts (Common and Normally open) to each side of the anchor wash switch. It does not matter which way round. Secure the relay in position with a cable tie around some wiring loom. That's it.

I still think that the wash is inefficient in its use of water. A spray pattern angled across the chain would be better, especially when the chain is off to one side when the water can mostly miss the chain altogether. Sealpump.com is a company that specializes in all sorts of spray nozzles. Below is the link to one that might suit the Amel.

Regards

Ian Shepherd Sm 414 Crusader Thassos

http://www.sealpump.com/datasheets/Full%20Cone%20Nozzle.pdf


Re: [Amel] Re: Fresh Water Pump

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Bob,

thanks for the suggestion. I did take it apart but it is clean. What you
say is true though. I had that experience on my first boat. If I can
find a new Square D I will replace it, which I normally have to do every
two years or so.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader Thassos

On 31/07/2013 14:41, gallivantbob wrote:

Ian,
Last year I had a similar challenge to get the pressure up to the cut
off point. Adjusting the switch as suggest is necessary, BUT I found
that after a storage period there was a build up of rust colored gunk
in the little pipe that the pressure switch sits on, which prevented
the switch from sensing the correct pressure. After disassembling and
cleaning the small tee and pipe, all was well.
Bob
Gallivant
Amel 54, currently on the hard in Grenada

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>, Ian Shepherd
<sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

I have an A.M.F.A A88 fresh water pump with the bronze impeller. The
pump struggles to reach cut off pressure after an overnight
discharge of
the batteries down to around 24.0 V. The Square D pressure switch was
replaced about a year ago and adjustment cannot cure the problem. A
couple of times now I have forgotten to trip the pump CB last thing at
night leading to a massive discharge of the batteries after the pump
failed to reach cut off pressure.

Looking at the impeller there does not seem much that can wear, but
maybe changing it will result in more pressure? Has anyone replaced
this
impeller with a noticeable improvement please?

Ian Shepherd SM2000 #414 Crusader Built Jul 2003 Thassos Greece


Re: [Amel] Fresh Water Pump

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Bill,

good to hear from you and I hope you are getting ready to depart. I was
about to shoot you an email about various mods which I will do shortly.
Back to the pressure switch. You are right. They are finicky. I have
dismantled it and there was no dirt inside, which is what I would have
expected as the Square D is only a year old and I have never put tap
water in the tank. All water for the past 13 years has been RO and
should be particle free.

Your adjustment method tallies with mine. The second nut is slackened
right off so there is no spring tension at all. The pump still tries to
reach 2.8 Bar (42 psi) which is odd as out of the box it cuts out at 2.4
Bar. What I have not done is check the accumulator pressure. I will
measure it tomorrow. I am leaning towards an end of season change of
pump to eliminate the accumulator, the external pressure switch and the
rather poor way in which the pressure switch is threaded into the
manifold pipe without an adequate boss which is prone to leaking and
requires pipe and wiring to be removed in order to wrap yet more PTFE
tape around it.

Cheers to you and Judy

Ian SM 414 2003 Crusader

On 30/07/2013 13:15, Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe wrote:

Ian,

That Square D pressure switch is really tricky to get adjusted
correctly, but when you get it right it, it along with the pump Amel
installed is so much better than any on-demand pump on the market
anywhere.

There are two adjustments to the Square D switch. The center nut
adjustment is for the cut-on pressure...be sure to adjust it
first...and to back off of the other nut adjustment about 2 -3 turns
before you adjust the center cut-on pressure nut.

When you are satisfied with the cut-on pressure adjustment, adjust the
2nd adjustment nut...this is the duration-on adjustment. For instance,
it is too loose if the pump turns on as soon as you turn on water flow
and off when you turn off water flow. Screw the nut clockwise to
increase the duration...increasing duration pressurizes the
accumulator tanks. BTW, the accumulator tank air pressure should be
slightly less than your pressurized fresh water system pressure. If
the pressurized fresh water system pressure is 40psi, the tank should
be 30-34psi. Only check the accumulator tank air pressure with the
fresh water system depressurized.

Don't get discouraged if you have to do this several times to get it
where you want it...and because the switch is mechanical, it may
require adjustment again. The process is fresh in my mind because
after being off BeBe for 6 months, I had to go through the process.

I hope this helps.

Bill (Admiral, Texas Navy, Current Governor's Commission...I wish
Texas had ships, but they would have to be Amels)
BeBe, SM2k #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>, Richard Piller
<richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi we simply changed to a 24 v on demand pump at 40psi from Shorflow
problem solved. Got rid of the pesky tank too.

Sent from my iPad
Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Jul 30, 2013, at 2:33, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

I have an A.M.F.A A88 fresh water pump with the bronze impeller. The
pump struggles to reach cut off pressure after an overnight
discharge of
the batteries down to around 24.0 V. The Square D pressure switch was
replaced about a year ago and adjustment cannot cure the problem. A
couple of times now I have forgotten to trip the pump CB last
thing at
night leading to a massive discharge of the batteries after the pump
failed to reach cut off pressure.

Looking at the impeller there does not seem much that can wear, but
maybe changing it will result in more pressure? Has anyone
replaced this
impeller with a noticeable improvement please?

Ian Shepherd SM2000 #414 Crusader Built Jul 2003 Thassos Greece



Re: [Amel] Fresh Water Pump

Ian Shepherd
 

Sounds a good idea Richard. I have been through 4 pressure stats and
two accumulators, the latter costing as much as a new pump!

Cheers

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 30/07/2013 10:16, Richard Piller wrote:

Hi we simply changed to a 24 v on demand pump at 40psi from Shorflow
problem solved. Got rid of the pesky tank too.

Sent from my iPad
Regards
Capt Richard Piller

On Jul 30, 2013, at 2:33, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...
<mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:

I have an A.M.F.A A88 fresh water pump with the bronze impeller. The
pump struggles to reach cut off pressure after an overnight
discharge of
the batteries down to around 24.0 V. The Square D pressure switch was
replaced about a year ago and adjustment cannot cure the problem. A
couple of times now I have forgotten to trip the pump CB last thing at
night leading to a massive discharge of the batteries after the pump
failed to reach cut off pressure.

Looking at the impeller there does not seem much that can wear, but
maybe changing it will result in more pressure? Has anyone replaced
this
impeller with a noticeable improvement please?

Ian Shepherd SM2000 #414 Crusader Built Jul 2003 Thassos Greece
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Re: [Amel] Re: Fresh Water Pump

Ian Shepherd
 

Thanks for his Trevor. I will bear this in mind when I make a
replacement. I have a Whale Urchin in the dinghy. Great pump that has
lasted 13 years until last week when the diaphragm eventually sprang a
leak. I will replace it as the cost is just twice that of the diaphragm
alone.

Regards

Ian Crusader SM 414 - Thassos

On 30/07/2013 09:15, seafeverofcuan wrote:

Hi Ian,
I had exactly the same problem, I stripped and rebuilt that pump seven
times and never was able to find out what was wrong with it. The new
service parts made no difference.
Reya were as usual hopeless and suggested that I purchase a new pump,
not easy as I was in Brazil.
I replaced it with a Whale 24volt intelligent pump which I fitted to
the bulkhead and has been a great success for the last three years
giving more pressure and no more battery problems.
The extra space created by removing the original pump lets me store my
five gallon oil drum and a spare Jerry can of clean diesel.
Jabsco also do a comprehensive of fresh water pumps. I chose Whale
because they are fifteen miles from where live in Northern Ireland you
get to talk to real people and their support service is excellent.
In fact have just ordered another as a spare.
Regards,
Trevor
Seafever
SM 425

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>, Ian Shepherd
<sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

I have an A.M.F.A A88 fresh water pump with the bronze impeller. The
pump struggles to reach cut off pressure after an overnight
discharge of
the batteries down to around 24.0 V. The Square D pressure switch was
replaced about a year ago and adjustment cannot cure the problem. A
couple of times now I have forgotten to trip the pump CB last thing at
night leading to a massive discharge of the batteries after the pump
failed to reach cut off pressure.

Looking at the impeller there does not seem much that can wear, but
maybe changing it will result in more pressure? Has anyone replaced
this
impeller with a noticeable improvement please?

Ian Shepherd SM2000 #414 Crusader Built Jul 2003 Thassos Greece


Re: [Amel] Autoprop Grease Type

kimberlite@...
 

There is a grease recommended by the autoprop agent in the us.
i am not on the boat but it is a waterproof wheel bearing grease, available from NAPA in a purple tube.
or call autoptop and ask they also have the grease.
eric
kimberlite
sm376

----- Original Message -----
From: captain_cucumber_head
Date: Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:17 am
Subject: [Amel] Autoprop Grease Type
To: amelyachtowners@...

I want to lube my autoprop. The instructions call for "good
quality waterproof grease". I know not all greases are
compatible and I'm trying to avoid a potential problem by using
the correct grease.
Is there a particular brand or type that works best (available
in the USA)?

Mark
SM2K #275
www.creampuff.us



Re: [Amel] Northern Chesapeake Bay

Mike Ondra
 

Jason,



Welcome to the Chesapeake. I echo Pat's comments.



For us the northern part of the Bay is somewhat limited by depth. We kept
Aletes at Georgetown for 6 years about 1 hour up the Sassafras River from
where Pat is moored. Plenty of anchorages and pleasant shoreline. Still Pond
is a favored overnight anchorage, just off the bay. Middle river on the
western shore offers depth and access to restaurants.



We are now at North Point Marina in Rock Hall. Again easy access to the Bay
but be careful at low tide and don't proceed past North Point. Rock Hall has
a lot to offer.



South of Rock Hall, as Pat said, there are endless cruising grounds.



Let us know your itinerary and maybe we catch you at North Point.



Mike



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of jdernehl@...
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 9:29 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Northern Chesapeake Bay






I know there are a few AMEL owners in the Chesapeake. I am looking for short
3 day weekend cruise ideas in the Northern Ches Bay(North of Baltimore).
Good places to anchor, tie up, etc... Are there any good towns, restaurants,
marinas? I am moored up in the C&D, So Places like Annapolis are ok, but I
am thinking of anything closer.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Jason
Pao San
#88


Re: [Amel] Northern Chesapeake Bay

Patrick McAneny
 

Jason, I live on the Sassafras River, about seven miles from the C&D. My
boat a SM is on a mooring four miles up the river from the bay ,across from
Ordinary Point. The Sassafras has several beautiful and protected places to
anchor with high bluffs. There is three marinas eight miles up the river in
Georgetown with a couple good restaurants. Heading south of the Sassafras on
the eastern shore there is anchorages at Still Pond , Worton Creek, Fairlee
Creek and then Swan Creek in Rock Hall which has several marinas and
restaurants. If you have never cruised on the Cheasapeake you will never lack for
well protected anchorages there are thousands to chose from. I have probably
sailed better than 10,000 or more miles on the Bay over the last 40 years
and have yet to see all the Bay has to offer.If you are still here in Oct. the
Annapolis Boat show is fun . We sail down and do the show a couple days and
then cruise the Bay about ten days every fall. Drop a hook near my boat and
we will dinghy out and say Hi!

Hope to see Ya,

Pat& Diane

Shenanigans


Northern Chesapeake Bay

jdernehl@ymail.com <jdernehl@...>
 

I know there are a few AMEL owners in the Chesapeake. I am looking for short 3 day weekend cruise ideas in the Northern Ches Bay(North of Baltimore). Good places to anchor, tie up, etc... Are there any good towns, restaurants, marinas? I am moored up in the C&D, So Places like Annapolis are ok, but I am thinking of anything closer.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Jason
Pao San
#88