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Re: Introduction

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Hi Martijn,

 

Welcome, you will find this forum a valuable source of information from many experienced and knowledgeable Amel owners.

 

Would you like to contact me on paul.dowd@... with regard to you intended purchase?

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Paul Dowd & Sharon Brown

S/Y Ya Fohi, Amel 54 #98
tel: +44 (0)7710 466619

skype: pauldowd
web: https://my.yb.tl/yafohi

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Martijn Bolt
Sent: 01 February 2022 19:19
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Introduction

 

Hi Everybody,

As a brand new member of this group I would like to start and introduce myself.

My name is Martijn and my wife and I had a daughter last year. We live in the Netherlands and I grew up windsurfing, sailing and swimming _a_ _lot_. My wife's dad worked off-shore around the world all his life and always came home to her with the greatest stories. We've travelled the world for 18 years and sailed on many occasions. After years of dreaming and 'planning' we're finally able to afford a boat and sail her multiple years.

Our (very rough) plan is: 1) buying a SM (or, when available, a SM2K) this year (or latest in 2023) and 2) start with sailing the med as soon as we can. 3) Our ultimate return date is fixed, around august 2026, because by then our daughter will be ready to go to school. :-)

I even made a picture of our 'plan' (pretending planning something like this is realistic in any way) HaHa!:


Anyway. Nice to meet you and I am looking forward to connect.

With warm regards,
Martijn

PS: As you probably already noticed, we're being somewhat naïve about all of this, so please do share your comments, ideas and jokes when reading this 'plan'!  HaHa! :-)


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY THE EMAILS i POST TO THE GROUP DO NOT SHOW UP?

JB Duler
 

Danny, most of the time the problem is not at the source but at the reception.

I don't know what Bill is using as an email service (Amazon SES? Mailgun? Sengrid?). But it works very well.

Email is way more complex than we tend to think. And it works well most of the time.
Who is handling the email for the domain xtra.co.nz? It may have worked in the past but very few email providers (beyond Microsoft and Gmail) have been able to keep up with tech. Don't forget that they have now to deal with billions of spam emails and they do an excellent job.

A solution is maybe to open a different email like dannyYvonneSimms@...?
--
John Bernard "JB" Duler
San Francisco
Meltem # 19, Western Med

Re: Introduction

Courtney Gorman
 

Good luck Martijn,  
Everyone starts off with some kind of plan the trick is always being ready to pivot.
Cheers and welcome 
Courtney 
svTrippin


On Feb 1, 2022, at 6:18 PM, Martijn Bolt <martijnbolt@...> wrote:

Hi Everybody,

As a brand new member of this group I would like to start and introduce myself.

My name is Martijn and my wife and I had a daughter last year. We live in the Netherlands and I grew up windsurfing, sailing and swimming _a_ _lot_. My wife's dad worked off-shore around the world all his life and always came home to her with the greatest stories. We've travelled the world for 18 years and sailed on many occasions. After years of dreaming and 'planning' we're finally able to afford a boat and sail her multiple years.

Our (very rough) plan is: 1) buying a SM (or, when available, a SM2K) this year (or latest in 2023) and 2) start with sailing the med as soon as we can. 3) Our ultimate return date is fixed, around august 2026, because by then our daughter will be ready to go to school. :-)

I even made a picture of our 'plan' (pretending planning something like this is realistic in any way) HaHa!:


Anyway. Nice to meet you and I am looking forward to connect.

With warm regards,
Martijn

PS: As you probably already noticed, we're being somewhat naïve about all of this, so please do share your comments, ideas and jokes when reading this 'plan'!  HaHa! :-)

Re: Bent pole hook

Bob Chapman <bob_chapm@...>
 

Slip a piece of pipe over the end to get some leverage
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 5:14 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Bent pole hook
 
Anyone have an idea how to put the bend back in this hook while in place on the pole?  I don't have a vice aboard.

I know there's a way, but haven't figured it out yet 

Thanks
Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243
Currently Georgetown, Exumasc

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243
Re: Strange plug on the front of my Keel (Maramu)

Greg Thomas
 

Lower transducer of an ultra-sonic knotmeter?

Strange plug on the front of my Keel (Maramu)

Lance Leonard
 

Any thoughts on what the strange plug, on the front of the keel is?
Bent pole hook

karkauai
 

Anyone have an idea how to put the bend back in this hook while in place on the pole?  I don't have a vice aboard.

I know there's a way, but haven't figured it out yet 

Thanks
Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243
Currently Georgetown, Exumasc

--
Kent & Iris
KRISTY
SM243
test 440

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

 
Re: What is his? #spares

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Jarek Zemlo via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 8:24 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] What is his? #spares

 

Thank you, all clear now.
Regards
Jarek
SY NOA BLUE
SM 201
Re: Alternative rigger recommendation in Europe

Dean Gillies
 

Mike Litsas at Kalamata did some general rigging and canvas work for me in 2018. Nice guy, good skills, easy to work with and happy to follow the "Amel way". I would definitely work with Mike again.

I stayed in Kalamata marina for a couple of months in summer 2018. I liked Kalamata. It's a real town (not just a tourist resort) with friendly locals and I'm sure it's still active in winter time.

Dean
SY STELLA
A54-154


Sent from my iPhone X

Re: B&G Forward Scan Transducer Install

Alan Leslie
 

We replaced our non-working Interphase unit with the B&G Vulcan and Forward Scan some years ago.
Forward Scan works quite well as long as the boat is moving slowly and there is little or no up and down movement at the bow.
Forward Scan can't compensate for vertical movement, as I believe some more expensive units do, and thus with vertical  movement, the screen output becomes less than useful.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Dolphin 24V30A charger manual

Paul Osterberg
 

Bob
w use it on setting nr 8 it gives maximum 27,2 v so no risk for overcharging. We never hook up to charge for long time as we have solar aboard. I have noticed that what ever charger I have used MultiPlus or Dolphine, at 28.2 v the batteries does not take any more charge i.e. no current going in  If you leave your Lithium for long time they are supposed to be stored at +/- 60% SOC .NB we have a DIY system with external BMS so no current when in off position which can be an issue with drop in who have internal BMS where some always have some load on
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259

Test 355 pm

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

 
Re: manual gearbox rebuild and doorknobs

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Drew,

Thank you for the information.

Oddly enough my original problem was that the internal cam that is screwed into the knob breaks.  I solved this by casting a few dozen in brass.

 

Now I am running out of knobs as they break or the pins sticking out of the knobs break off.

 

At 42+ dollars each, I think I will start up my printer and run off a few.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Drew Gaffney
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2022 3:01 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] manual gearbox rebuild and doorknobs

 

Hi Eric,

The latches are Swedish.  https://www.onmar.se/en  They bought out the original manufacture years ago, and continue to supply the parts.  Most of the latches break internally.  The knob and chrome ring are intact, but the spring latch mechanism can be replaced.  On the boat, some latches are vertical and some are horizontal.  The mechanisms are orientation specific.

We always saved the actual knob/chrome ring, so we needed only to replace the inner mechanism.  Over the years, we replaced about a dozen knobs, but saved the external parts.  Buy a quantity of each orientation and you'll have spares.

Drew

SV Revelation (Former Owner)

Lying Carloforte, Sardinia

 

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 10:32 AM Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

HI,

I just had the pleasure _ha_ of rebuilding the manual main furling gearbox. It is not difficult. The only hard part was getting the outer race out and the new one back in.

Above please find a photo of the inner race that came out of the gearbox. It was rusted solid.

 

The foil is torn due to the extreme force applied to it by one bolt holding the gearbox to the foil.

When I return I am going to have a 4 inch long insert machined to fit  tightly inside the foil. I will drill new holes perpendicular to the existing torn holes in the foil.

 

When I have the gearbox off to install the insert , I am going to figure out some way to grease that thing.

I would also suggest that you check the v shaped seal on the top of the outside of the gearbox. It is like a big rubber band that seals the main shaft from water. Mine was totally broken and I ignored it. It is very inexpensive and easy to change.

 

Does anyone have a source for the doorknobs in the attached photos?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 
Re: Rebuild of Main , manual gearbox

Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Eric,

I think the cost to ship it to Holland would be more then the cost of 4 inches of aluminum.

 

I plan on making a tubular piece of aluminum the inside diameter of the foil with a groove milled out for the sail track.

It will then be one solid piece of aluminum.

If I remember correctly the collar has 2 different diameters.

I am not on the boat for a while.

Fair Winds

 

 

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of EricOpdeweegh
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2022 2:31 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rebuild of Main , manual gearbox

 

Hi Eric😂

Thanks for the heads-up. 

 

I had the screw ( not screwed but only stuck in)in there only to hold up the foil temporarily as I planned to disconnect the manual gearbox . I could not get the top bolt out at that point .

 

The manual gearbox luckily turns still very smoothly. I disconnected the main furler gear and the manual appeared still very smoothly.

The reason to dismantle it was especially to replace the ( famous) V-seal as you mentioned . As I was not yet able to get the collar off I have temporarily  placed a new v-seal by cutting it and attaching and closing it with a tie wrap. Little unconventional but did not want to cut the foil yet. 

I may try the heating suggestion of the epoxy as you ( and also Bill ) mentioned. But was thinking better to wait until it seems really necessary.  I already have all the seals and o-ring forthright manual gearbox in spare. Just want to have a spare collar machined. (Just in case)

Could you give me the exact measurements of the ID of the collar once you have it off? From the outside it looks like  the bottom ID of the collar is bigger than the top end ID but i am not sure if this is exactly to half way the height of the collar. 

 

The former owner told me he filled it with epoxy in an early stage after he bought the boat in 1996 and this might also be a reason that less ( or little) moisture is able to enter the manual gearbox as with all other boats. 

 

If you have an aluminium insert made I would go for a full shape of the foil instead of just a half rounded bar.  I would  be interested to have one too. So let me know what it would cost to send one to me in Holland once you will have one made.

 

Fair winds

Eric 

Abayomi 

SM158

Currently in Holland

 

Op 1 feb. 2022 om 19:46 heeft Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...> het volgende geschreven:



HI Eric,

I have a question.

That is that screw in the cord above the collar?

If you lightly heat the epoxy will become soft and you can remove the collar.

 

I note that you are missing a v-045 oil seal from the outer top shaft of your gearbox.

This keeps the water out of your gearbox. Please see the photo of the bearing that I just posted .

 

While you have the motor, assembly disconnected from the manual gear box and loose from the foil.

See how easily it is to turn the gearbox manually. If it is very tight it is time for a rebuild.

 

If you watched the second video rebuild of the gearbox you will note that the epoxy in the foil had disintegrated. I plan on having an insert machined to fill the bottom of the foil and drill new holes perpendicular to the torn foil.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

\

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of EricOpdeweegh
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 7:05 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rebuild of Main , manual gearbox

 

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your correction .

I see what you mean. 

Seems Bill did it the right way and the previous owner of ABAYOMI ( Nathape) not .

The manual gear box is still doing ok so I guese I will have to have a collar pre machined and once it comes up change it the right way.

Cant think of an other way right now but if you have a solution do not hesitate to jump in.

Here a photo of the situation.

Took out the lower bolt but the top one and collar would come out. You can see the epoxy on the top edge of the collar. 

Did not want to force it as all appears ok and someone told me if it is not broken don’t fix it😂 

Only wanted to check and pre maintain the 

Manual gearbox.

 

Rgrds 

Eric 

Abayomi 

SM 158

 

Op 31 jan. 2022 om 23:58 heeft Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy) <svtrilogy53@...> het volgende geschreven:



Hi Eric,

 

Bill's method has the bottom of the foil taped to hold the epoxy while it cures. Only after the epoxy cures is the foil put back into the collar and bolted in place.

 

If yours was repaired in place, it is possible epoxy has bonded the foil to the collar. I'm not sure if there's an option to separate them beside the procedure you've outlined. I will think on this. Maybe someone else has an idea.

 

Regards,

Mike Longcor

SV Trilogy SM23

NZ

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022, 10:31 AM EricOpdeweegh <sv.abayomi@...> wrote:

Hi Bill, 

Have been reading your weblog about your repair solution of the main foil collar filling  with epoxy.

My question would be what to do when you need to overhaul your manual furler gearbox? 

We own now ABAYOMI since June last year and found the previous owner did the same you did and filled the collar with epoxy. 

But this means we need to cut just above the collar to be able to get the manual gear box off when we want to replace the seals and O rings in the manual furler gearbox . This would mean I have to machine a new custom made collar as Amel can not supply those anymore.( I checked last month with Maud)

Do you have the same situation now or did I mis read the way you did it? 

I my opinion a half round bar filler in the foil would be a good alternative. 

Best Regards,

 

Eric Opdeweegh

Abayomi 

SM 158

Currently in Holland 

 

Op 31 jan. 2022 om 21:28 heeft Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> het volgende geschreven:

This is how we did ours. http://fetchinketch.net/boat-projects/amel-mainsail-foil-repair/  Come back to us in another ten years and we'll let you know how long it might last, but after three years, it is still perfect.  A LOT cheaper than the Amel kit, although that should be a very minor consideration for such a critical part.

The Amel kit either wasn't yet available, or just a well guarded secret when we did our repair. The kit from Amel looks to me to be a LOT more robust than the original design, but if I had to do it over again, I still would do it the way I did.

For anybody needing to do this repair, I would STRONGLY discourage just drilling a new hole and calling that good. The foil does not have enough thickness of metal to transmit the torque from the motor via a single pin without very rapid wear.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood FL, USA

Re: DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY THE EMAILS i POST TO THE GROUP DO NOT SHOW UP?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bill, for some reason a lot of Amel forum emails go to my spam folder, so many that I now check regularly. Despite marking them "not spam" it still happens.
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 02/02/2022 08:48 Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:


I SEE THE ANSWERS BUT NOT MY ORIGINAL POST.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 
Re: DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY THE EMAILS i POST TO THE GROUP DO NOT SHOW UP?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bill, for some reason a lot of Amel forum emails go to my spam folder, so many that I now check regularly. Despite marking them "not spam" it still happens.
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 02/02/2022 08:48 Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:


I SEE THE ANSWERS BUT NOT MY ORIGINAL POST.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 
Re: Dolphin 24V30A charger manual

rossirossix4
 

Good to hear Paul,
I'm getting ready to make the transitin to lithium batteries.  2 questions (sorry if the answers already exist somewhere in our forum).  1)For lithium, what setting did you use? 2)I was expecting that I would have to operate it manually but is there any problem having it continuously crank out the full 30 amps to reach the desired charge?  BTW I do plan o adding a lithium specific charger to provide automatic charging at the dock, etc.

Also, has anyone had any luck using the 100amp Dolphin (2004 era) chanring lithiums?
Thanks, Bob  KAIMI SM429

Re: DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY THE EMAILS i POST TO THE GROUP DO NOT SHOW UP?

Gerhard Mueller
 

Some more informations may help perhaps: Which browser you are using? Which operating system? Your own settings in the group window?
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently North Sea, Germany

Re: manual gearbox rebuild and doorknobs

Drew Gaffney
 

Hi Eric,
The latches are Swedish.  https://www.onmar.se/en  They bought out the original manufacture years ago, and continue to supply the parts.  Most of the latches break internally.  The knob and chrome ring are intact, but the spring latch mechanism can be replaced.  On the boat, some latches are vertical and some are horizontal.  The mechanisms are orientation specific.
We always saved the actual knob/chrome ring, so we needed only to replace the inner mechanism.  Over the years, we replaced about a dozen knobs, but saved the external parts.  Buy a quantity of each orientation and you'll have spares.
Drew
SV Revelation (Former Owner)
Lying Carloforte, Sardinia

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 10:32 AM Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

HI,

I just had the pleasure _ha_ of rebuilding the manual main furling gearbox. It is not difficult. The only hard part was getting the outer race out and the new one back in.

Above please find a photo of the inner race that came out of the gearbox. It was rusted solid.

 

The foil is torn due to the extreme force applied to it by one bolt holding the gearbox to the foil.

When I return I am going to have a 4 inch long insert machined to fit  tightly inside the foil. I will drill new holes perpendicular to the existing torn holes in the foil.

 

When I have the gearbox off to install the insert , I am going to figure out some way to grease that thing.

I would also suggest that you check the v shaped seal on the top of the outside of the gearbox. It is like a big rubber band that seals the main shaft from water. Mine was totally broken and I ignored it. It is very inexpensive and easy to change.

 

Does anyone have a source for the doorknobs in the attached photos?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 
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