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Re: [Amel] Standing rig material
GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
Hello Alain, As I am involved in the supply of stainless steel rigging wire and components to the marine trade here in the UK I familiar with the materials. There are two very important rules to follow. 1) DO NOT use Chinese wire as the quality cannot be assured and there have been disastrous consequences arising from the use of it . Only use wire manufactured by the Kos company, we supply it here in the UK but it is available world wide from reputable riggers. Of course it costs more than the Chinese junk but in a gale in the middle of an ocean the few extra Euros difference will seem well worth it! 2) DO USE fittings from reputable sources, anything that cannot be proven NOT to be of Chinese origin must be avoided at all costs. Chinese fittings cost Beneteau, Jeanneau and other manufacturers a great deal of money when the swage terminals started to crack in their thousands and had to be replaced. Blue Wave fittings are adequate and I have used them at times on my own boats. Peterson fittings are excellent, I say this without involvement with them as they are in competition with our products. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. Regards Graham Sharki 181 Zephyr From: "alainfeuillet@..." To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2013, 7:54 Subject: [Amel] Standing rig material Hello to all, PILGRIM is now 23 years old and I need to replace the standing rig. Yes it is also 23 years old and in still good shape, can you believe it? I am currently in Marmaris and got several submissions Some are proposing Blue Wave material from Denmark, others are proposing Petersen HI-Mod material from UK; Has anyone some experience or feedback to give me on these two supply sources? Thanks in advance Alain |
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Re: [Amel] spam fighter
rossirossix4
Hi Patrick and Denny, You probably are aware of this, but for the benefit of the group. If you want to have all of the frequent emails from posts consolidated to one email per day, go to Manage My Groups on the left, then Under Mail Subscription Select Daily Digest--you will get all the daily posts in one email. Anyway, it might be helpful to a member. Haven't seen you since we all anchored together in Annapolis (we were in Brittany de la Mer, Santorin #86 at the time). Cheers, Bob KAIMI SM #429 |
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Re: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece
Herbert Lackner
Sorry, everything has been said already to this topic. .. I should read my mails before answering :-) Herbert Kali Mera, SN#120 Von Samsung Mobile gesendet -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: herbert lackner Datum:22.12.2013 22:36 (GMT+01:00) An: amelyachtowners@... Betreff: AW: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece http://www.cruising.org.uk/node/22634 Von Samsung Mobile gesendet -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: herbert lackner Datum:22.12.2013 22:30 (GMT+01:00) An: amelyachtowners@... Betreff: AW: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece Bill As far as i know you can also pay monthly. 10 eur per Meter per month. fair winds Herbert Kali Mera SN #120 Sukisan, croatia Von Samsung Mobile gesendet -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: yahoogroups@... Datum:22.12.2013 19:54 (GMT+01:00) An: amelyachtowners@... Betreff: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece Craig, I thought the way the law was written that you had to pay for a full year...I did not know that there was a provision for us "Shengen folks" for 90 days of this fee (480 E for a SM. (10 E per Meter per Month)). Can you point me to your reference? We p lan on sailing through Greek waters from Turkey to Croatia next spring. We have already cruised the Greek Islands in the Aegean. We will spend some time there again on our passage, unless the fees are outrageous. In that case we will not stop. Bill BeBe, SM #387 |
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Re: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece
Herbert Lackner
http://www.cruising.org.uk/node/22634 Von Samsung Mobile gesendet -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: herbert lackner Datum:22.12.2013 22:30 (GMT+01:00) An: amelyachtowners@... Betreff: AW: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece Bill As far as i know you can also pay monthly. 10 eur per Meter per month. fair winds Herbert Kali Mera SN #120 Sukisan, croatia Von Samsung Mobile gesendet -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: yahoogroups@... Datum:22.12.2013 19:54 (GMT+01:00) An: amelyachtowners@... Betreff: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece Craig, I thought the way the law was written that you had to pay for a full year...I did not know that there was a provision for us "Shengen folks" for 90 days of this fee (480 E for a SM. (10 E per Meter per Month)). Can you point me to your reference? We p lan on sailing through Greek waters from Turkey to Croatia next spring. We have already cruised the Greek Islands in the Aegean. We will spend some time there again on our passage, unless the fees are outrageous. In that case we will not stop. Bill BeBe, SM #387 |
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Re: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece
Herbert Lackner
Bill As far as i know you can also pay monthly. 10 eur per Meter per month. fair winds Herbert Kali Mera SN #120 Sukisan, croatia Von Samsung Mobile gesendet -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: yahoogroups@... Datum:22.12.2013 19:54 (GMT+01:00) An: amelyachtowners@... Betreff: [Amel] RE: Cruising tax in Greece Craig, I thought the way the law was written that you had to pay for a full year...I did not know that there was a provision for us "Shengen folks" for 90 days of this fee (480 E for a SM. (10 E per Meter per Month)). Can you point me to your reference? We p lan on sailing through Greek waters from Turkey to Croatia next spring. We have already cruised the Greek Islands in the Aegean. We will spend some time there again on our passage, unless the fees are outrageous. In that case we will not stop. Bill BeBe, SM #387 |
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Re: [Amel] Standing rig material
spritoaffine
Alain
We had the rig on our Sharki changed in Savannah in 2007. The boat was
built in 1987 and the rigger told me that the original Amel rigging at 20 years
of age was in better condition than the new stuff he would fit (Chinese wire he
called it). Sadly we had no option as the insurance company insisted on new
rigging before we crossed the Atlantic, a decision based purely on age, not
condition
David Worthington
Sharki148 Spirito Affine
Preveza Greece
From: alainfeuillet@...
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 7:54 AM
Subject: [Amel] Standing rig material
Hello to all, PILGRIM is now 23 years old and I need to replace the standing rig. Yes it is also 23 years old and in still good shape, can you believe it? I am currently in Marmaris and got several submissions Some are proposing Blue Wave material from Denmark, others are proposing Petersen HI-Mod material from UK; Has anyone some experience or feedback to give me on these two supply sources? Thanks in advance Alain
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Re: Cruising tax in Greece
yahoogroups@...
Craig, I thought the way the law was written that you had to pay for a full year...I did not know that there was a provision for us "Shengen folks" for 90 days of this fee (480 E for a SM. (10 E per Meter per Month)). Can you point me to your reference? We plan on sailing through Greek waters from Turkey to Croatia next spring. We have already cruised the Greek Islands in the Aegean. We will spend some time there again on our passage, unless the fees are outrageous. In that case we will not stop. Bill BeBe, SM #387 |
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Re: [Amel] Super Maramu rear bumper
alainfeuillet@...
Does anyone know where we can find Owatrol Deco in Marmaris? Thanks in advance for any clue... Alain |
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Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor
Duane Siegfri
I'm in the process of selling my 28' sailboat, and am in the research process of picking my retirement boat. The SM is one I am very interested in.
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-----Original Message----- From: Sailorman To: amelyachtowners Sent: Sun, Dec 22, 2013 8:56 am Subject: RE: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor Duane,
What Amel
do you have?
Fair
Winds
Eric
Amel
Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of carlylelk@...
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 8:41 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor Is there a treatise on this topic available to
review?
Duane
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From: kimberlite <kimberlite@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor There
is no Neutral on the Amel shore power.
The
engine and Generator have a floating ground. In other words the motors are only
connected to the boat ground when they are starting.
All the
other gear on the Amel is connected together with a green and yellow wire which
is connected to ithe rudder stock and the two zincs on the ruder. The amel does
not conform to AYC standards for a number of good reasons.
Fair
winds
eric
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Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor
Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
Waverider, Where is the neutral hooked up to an Amel?
When you hook up an Amel to a European plug there is a blue, brown, and green/yellow wire. The brown and blue together are 220 volts. The green yellow is the ground . There is No Neutral as in USA connections IE- the white.
When you hook up your boat to a USA 50 amp plug. The black and red are connected to the blue and brown and the green is connected to the green /yellow. The white(neutral) is not used. Unless your boat is wired differently from mine there is no neutral used on USA wiring and there is no available neutral on the European plugs as they only have 3 prongs.
With ABYC standards, I have a list somewhere written by Bill Seifert who was the project Manager of The Tartan Factory, The J Boat factory, and finally the Alden Factory, listing the factors that do not allow the Amel to be ABYC standard. The first one that comes to mind is that there is no dip tube in the fuel tank, Amel takes the fuel off the bottom. If I recall the mast and rigging are also not bonded, the color coding of the wiring is not ABYC standard and If I remember correctly there were about 20 other things which I ignored. The Amels are CE approved Group A, not ABYC . They are also not ORC class one approved unless you have one a lot of work to the boat after delivery. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of David Pawley
What do you have issue with,? I have a little problem with Eric saying there is no Neutral on the shore power. Other than that, If its the issue about ABYC being somehow at variance with Amel practice for good reason. he may not be able to even if he were qualified. Remember Amel complied with Euro practice. Anyhow please accept what he says as a opinion, but there would be plenty others who would agree, its mainly related with issues of accelerated Electrolytic action/shore power/ABYC boats. Waverider apoligies to eric.
On 22 December 2013 12:41, <carlylelk@...> wrote:
Is there a treatise on this topic available to review?
Duane -----Original
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There is no Neutral on the Amel shore power. The engine and Generator have a floating ground. In other words the motors are only connected to the boat ground when they are starting.
All the other gear on the Amel is connected together with a green and yellow wire which is connected to ithe rudder stock and the two zincs on the ruder. The amel does not conform to AYC standards for a number of good reasons. Fair winds eric
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Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor
Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
Duane, What Amel do you have? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of carlylelk@...
Is there a treatise on this topic available to review?
Duane -----Original
Message----- From: kimberlite
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor
There is no Neutral on the Amel shore power. The engine and Generator have a floating ground. In other words the motors are only connected to the boat ground when they are starting.
All the other gear on the Amel is connected together with a green and yellow wire which is connected to ithe rudder stock and the two zincs on the ruder. The amel does not conform to AYC standards for a number of good reasons. Fair winds eric
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Re: Cruising tax in Greece
Rink & Marloes - Just to expand a bit on your good input, the 100E per M is annual - monthly it is 10E/M, comparable with other nearby countries. For a full year there's a 30% discount. They call this tax the "TPP" (or Tau Pi Pi in Greek). BUT, if you stay over 90 days there's yet another tax called the "Reciprocal Tax" of 14.35 E/M (not sure about the cents) that is charged quarterly. I'm quite sure that didn't go away with the new "TPP" tax. Thus, a full year for a 16M SM would be the "TPP" of 1120 E (after the 30% discount) plus 688 and change for the "Reciprocal Tax" - call it 1800. A 90 day stay (Shengen legal for we non-Europeans) is 480 E for a SM. (10 E per Meter per Month) Sounds like they are shooting themselves in the foot again - the marinas will be hard pressed to compete with Turkey and Italian marinas - we're paying 1800 for 8 months in Sicily this winter. (14M SN). Greek waters will become mostly for short term transients. Best regards, Craig & Katherine Briggs - SN#68 Sangaris - Marina di Ragusa, Sicily |
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Cruising tax in Greece
Rink De Haan
Dear all,
I'm not sure if this topic is already covered in another discussion, but anyway it is of importance to anyone cruising in the Mediterranean and plan to enter Greek waters. Last month the Greek government agreed on a new law which has impact on any yacht entering Greek waters. I uploaded the translated version of this bill in a folder named Greek Tax. The topic is also covered in Practical Boat Owners and the website of the Cruising Association. The impact for an Amel Super Maramu would be a yearly tax of 1600 euro. For me, based in Turkey, that would most likely be not entering Greek waters again. A couple of years ago this tax was also announced but never enforced (Greek style of Government). So I am not really sure if this tax would be levied this time. For anyone of the group with plans to be in Greece, please double check the facts. The most reliable and accurate source will be the Cruising Association. Anyone more or different information? Best regards, Rink & Marloes SM2K #330 Razor's Edge Kusadasi Turkey |
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Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor
David Pawley
What do you have issue with,? I have a little problem with Eric saying there is no Neutral on the shore power. Other than that, If its the issue about ABYC being somehow at variance with Amel practice for good reason. he may not be able to even if he were qualified. Remember Amel complied with Euro practice. Anyhow please accept what he says as a opinion, but there would be plenty others who would agree, its mainly related with issues of accelerated Electrolytic action/shore power/ABYC boats. Waverider apoligies to eric.On 22 December 2013 12:41, <carlylelk@...> wrote:
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Standing rig material
alainfeuillet@...
Hello to all, PILGRIM is now 23 years old and I need to replace the standing rig. Yes it is also 23 years old and in still good shape, can you believe it? I am currently in Marmaris and got several submissions Some are proposing Blue Wave material from Denmark, others are proposing Petersen HI-Mod material from UK; Has anyone some experience or feedback to give me on these two supply sources? Thanks in advance Alain
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Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor
David Pawley
Traditionally DC circuits have always had a issue with inductive reactance, it becomes apparent when you see a huge spark leaping across contacts, often where there are coils such as relays you will often see a diode that is there to sustain the reactive field (lessen the contact damage). Do not underestimate its power. So powerful is it that in early days of radio the first use of it was made to send a wireless signal as it has a radio wave component. Recently I rewired a old neco autopilot, the aching of the relays would send you blind for a few minutes. Its not the only type of interference, switch mode power supplies may send ripples down the DC power supply. On a boat, it would surely interfere with the radio, either on the power supply or intereference like lightening except more powerful. I do not know if a tuner placed near the autopilot would also have issues. I'd say Amel had it right years ago to have isolated power supply. If you must not have isolated power supplies make sure the ferrites are in place and be prepared to turn off the Autopilot. Waverider not only boatless, but I may not know what I'm talking about.On 21 December 2013 00:41, Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor
Duane Siegfri
Is there a treatise on this topic available to review?
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Duane -----Original Message----- From: kimberlite To: amelyachtowners Sent: Fri, Dec 20, 2013 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor There is no Neutral on the Amel shore power.
The engine and Generator have a floating ground. In other words the motors are only connected to the boat ground when they are starting.
All the other gear on the Amel is connected together with a green and yellow wire which is connected to ithe rudder stock and the two zincs on the ruder. The amel does not conform to AYC standards for a number of good reasons.
Fair winds
eric
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Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor
Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
Same as with the engine and generator. You would need an isolated ground unit for an Amel Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On
Behalf Of divanz620@...
I'll be on Elyse in 3 weeks...I'll check that......
I still don't understand why this only applies to a 12-24VDC converter for an SSB....what would you do if the SSB was supplied in a 24V version ?
Cheers Alan SV Elyse SM437 |
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Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor
I'll be on Elyse in 3 weeks...I'll check that......
I still don't understand why this only applies to a 12-24VDC converter for an SSB....what would you do if the SSB was supplied in a 24V version ?
Cheers Alan SV Elyse SM437 |
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Re: [Amel] Isolated or non Isolated DC to DC Convertor
Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
Even though the –ve 12 volt lug on the converter seems to be connected to the -24 ve lug on the converter they are not electrically connected. Fair Winds Eric
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
I think if you do not understand the need for an isolated DC-DC convertor for the SSB on an Amel, you should have a qualified electrician do your installation.
Best regards,
Mark
SM2K #275 www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
On Behalf Of divanz620@...
Correct.
And if you look at the circuit diagrams provided in the manual you will see that for the low power 24-12 VDC converter installed by Amel, the -ve of the 12v supply is connected to the -ve of the 24v supply...ie not isolated. |
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