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Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED
I don't fully understand the two-charger scenario, Bill, but when I replaced both the old chargers (one failed in Trinidad, the other when I got back to the US) I was told that I could run both simultaneously to more rapidly charge the bank with the generator in bulk charging mode. And in fact it does charge at ~85A when using both the 60A and 30A chargers on a battery bank that is about 35% depleted. When the batteries are more fully charged, the amperage drops appropriately. After the Amperage drops below 60, I turn the 30 amp charger off and just use the 60A one. The 60A charger is a Sterling smart charger, and the 30 A is a Charles.
If anyone knows why they don't sense each other's charge and limit the output, I'd like to hear the explanation (in layman's terms, please :) Kent SM243 Kristy Brunswick, GA, USA ________________________________ From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED Alex, I am not sure how your house batteries are setup and your chargers, but I cannot imagine any setup that would allow for two battery chargers to be used with one bank of batteries. I think that the batteries will never get fully charged because one charger would sense the charging of the other charger and go to float. The same with the other charger. Anyway, just my comment on your statement about running 2 chargers. I am glad you found the fuse on the 220v fan. I have my doubts about the output of our 220v fan...it seems to be weak. I am not that fluent on your engine, but just pulled the injectors, exhaust elbow and turbo on the 100hp Yanmar. I was experiencing lower RPM. I found a dirty turbo that needed serious cleaning and I suspected fouled injectors, but found that the nozzles needed replacing. I also found leaks in the weld joints of the Yanmar elbow which we replaced about 1,200 hours ago. I had a 316 polished stainless elbow fabricated at Emek Marine in Turkey for half the Yanmar price in Turkey. With a cleaned turbo, new nozzles and a new elbow, we are back in high RPM territory. Best, Bill Bebe, SM2k, #387 --- In amelyachtowners@..., Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment... Vetus - where to leverage to move engine?
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Hello again Danny & Forum,
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Sorry to bother you again. So, I looked at the Vetus flexible coupler and noted some play, so I have to change it. It doesn't look too complicated, just intimidating I guess for the first time. Where did you take leverage from? Which part on the engine did you use to push and which part of the rest did you use to leverage? Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/20/13, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment... To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar" <uster@...> Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2013, 6:21 AM About two hours and I did it by myself. Using the lever makes it easy.RegardsDanny From: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> To: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment... Thanks again Danny, how long did that take you? Were you alone to slide the engine? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment... To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar" <uster@...> Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 8:30 PM Hi Alexandre,that about covers it except in my case two of the bolts securing the vetus were damaged. It was not possible to withdraw them without removing the casting from the C drive shaft so I cut the heads off with a hack saw and replaced them with bolts with a nut at each end.That was three years ago and I have had no trouble since. If you do replace the bolts do not use mild steel bolts, use high tensile bolts which will not stretch under load.Kind RegardsDannySM 299 Ocean PearlStill in Fiji From: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> To: simms@... Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment... Hello Danny, I think you are right... even if not worn out, won't hurt to change them. I was reading posts, one said it was like cavitation (which I thought it was, but couldn't be). Here is the info you wrote that I found you wrote. Let me know if there is more to it... How long did it take you? Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre Replacing the rubber bushes is very straight forward, I did not replace the circular housing, no need to. However if you did want to it is a more difficult job which entails removing the keyed connection from the input shaft to the C drive. With heat from a gas torch this would probably be possible but in my case I was in an island port, the housing was in good order so I just replaced the rubber bushes. A straightforward job with no major hidden problems that I encountered. My engine is the Volvo TMD 22 and I don't have a shaft brake or alternator. The process: Four bolts through the vetus unit ("the circular box") they are pinned at one end so they don't turn. Undo the nuts. To get the nuts off you may have to leave the last few threads until the motor is moved slightly to make room. To move the engine. Amel have designed a great system. the engine is bolted to two steel angle iron engine bearers with 4 large bolts. Remove those bolts. In my case there were no wires or cables or pipesI had to remove before I moved the motor. There was sufficient movement available. But check carefully. In my case also there was enough flex in the engine exhaust system that I did nothing to that either. Anyway check carefully. Then it is a simple process to just slide the motor aft along those angle iron bearers untill the vetus unit separates. From memory no more than 50mm (2 inches) You will see when the vetus is separated there is a cross (four pins) onto which the rubber bushes slide. Remove the old ones and slide on the new. Slide the motor back into place, entering the bolts through the vetus as you go. Start the nuts. Then position the motor so the mounting holes line up, replace the mount bolts and tighten. The amel system in unique in my experience and makes this job so easy. In most boats the engine is secured directly to the flexible engine mounts so if you need to move it there is a major problem as the motor drops as soon as you move it off the mounts. Amel, by putting the flexible mounts under this angle iron bearer has made moving the motor so easy. However things to watch for. I used a piece of 50mm x 75mm (2 x 3 to americans) about a metre long ( 3 feet) as a lever. Move the engine little by little watching that it is sliding straight along the bearer. The four bearer bolts. Two are quite easy to access. the near side. the other two you have to lean over the engine to reach them. The aft starboard is the least accessible. replace it first. Do not tighten any until they are all in place. I dropped them in from the top and put the nuts at the bottom. In my case the holes were not perfectly positioned so I could get three in easily but the fourth bound slightly in the hole. I left the other three loose and used a large pin punch to to wriggle in the hole to position it. I didn't fully tighten the vetus bolts until the motor was almost back in place but I found it easier to get the engine bearer bolts through after I fully tightened the 4 vetus bolts. Fully tighten the vetus bolts. Fully tighten the engine bearer bolts. Check very carefully all around the engine to ensure you have not damaged or displaced any thing, which you won't have done if you did your pre job inspection well and moved the motor carefully. Shaft alignment: Not an issue for this job. The engine is set exactly by the preset position of the bolt holes in the engine bearers.. In my case there was one, and one only place the motor could sit and once the bolts were tight that was it. Check the bolts through the vetus and the engine bearers after a few hours running to ensure they remain tight and then for me they are one of my engine room checks I do every day before starting the motor. |
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Play in Vetus flexible coupler... Where to buy bushing in tUSA?
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Dear Richard & Amel Forum,
I just check and there is some play in the Vetus coupling... According to the posts I read, this is a Vetus Type 6, does any one know where I could get the bushing, bolts, nuts and washers (in the USA)? Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Seabrook, Texas, USA |
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Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED
Alexandre Uster von Baar
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Always nice to hear from you. About the battery chargers, on the owner manual, section 2.1 it says (in a red box): -At the Harbour: 30 A charger -In the open sea: 50 A charger + 30 A charger (1 min after) Even though I was tied at the dock, I simulated to be at sea (shore power disconnected), had batteries down to 70%, so I run the genset to charge them, plus use Air COnditionning, do some work, try the microwave (works), try the dishwasher (does not work well - forum question for later). Since at the dock (under shore power), I only use the 30 Amp charger, I was happy to see the 50 A charger showing a "net" 39 amp charge, then when I added the 30 A, saw a 69 Amp "net" charge. 2 hours later, once the batteries were charged at 90% and the charge was only 20 or so Amp, I switch off the small charger. After 3 hours, I was happy with the test, switch off genset and went back to shore power. Regarding the 220 Volt fan, I totally agree, very weak fan... I am envious of your higher rpm!!! I really thought cleaning the turbo the way I did was good enough: http://nikimat.com/volvo_tmd22_turbo.html What is the "nozzles"? Always nice to hear from you! Hello to Judy! Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/20/13, Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2013, 8:06 AM Alex, I am not sure how your house batteries are setup and your chargers, but I cannot imagine any setup that would allow for two battery chargers to be used with one bank of batteries. I think that the batteries will never get fully charged because one charger would sense the charging of the other charger and go to float. The same with the other charger. Anyway, just my comment on your statement about running 2 chargers. I am glad you found the fuse on the 220v fan. I have my doubts about the output of our 220v fan...it seems to be weak. I am not that fluent on your engine, but just pulled the injectors, exhaust elbow and turbo on the 100hp Yanmar. I was experiencing lower RPM. I found a dirty turbo that needed serious cleaning and I suspected fouled injectors, but found that the nozzles needed replacing. I also found leaks in the weld joints of the Yanmar elbow which we replaced about 1,200 hours ago. I had a 316 polished stainless elbow fabricated at Emek Marine in Turkey for half the Yanmar price in Turkey. With a cleaned turbo, new nozzles and a new elbow, we are back in high RPM territory. Best, Bill Bebe, SM2k, #387 --- In amelyachtowners@..., Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote: > > Hello Eric & Amel Forum > > I found a little fuse that was defective!!! > > So now the 220 Volt fan is working! > > Next week will try again genset to see if with this fan working it still gets as hot in the engine compartment. > > Sincerely, Alexandre > > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 8/19/13, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote: > > Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working > To: "'Alexandre Uster von Baar'" <uster@...> > Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 4:50 PM > > I thought the 12 volt fan just ran of > the Yanmar. > You might check the continuity of wires or possibly there is > a fuse. > Fair Winds > Eric > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexandre Uster von Baar [mailto:uster@...] > > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:47 PM > To: kimberlite@... > Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working > > Thank you Eric, > > I have the same setup, but none of the fan is > working... > Do you happend to know where the solenoide is? > Is there 1 for the 12 volt and 1 for the 220 volt? > > Thanks in advance, Alexandre > > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 8/19/13, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> > wrote: > > Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working > To: amelyachtowners@... > Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 4:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > >    > > >     >      >      >      Hi, > > > > The 220 volt fan is on top of the 12 volt exhaust fan on > Kimberlite. > > > > Kind of strange setup but it works. > > > > When the genset is on the 220 volt fan blows the exhaust > through the 12 volt > > fan. > > > > When the engine is on the 12 volt fan sucks the air > through > the 220 volt > > fan. > > > > I believe there is a solenoid that operates the 220 volt > exhaust fan. You > > might check that. > > > > Fair Winds > > > > Eric > > > > Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite > > > > _____ > > > > From: amelyachtowners@... > > [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] > On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von > > Baar > > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:05 PM > > To: amelyachtowners@... > > Subject: Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working > > > > Hello Richard, > > > > But the fan in the engine compartment is 220 Volt. I > thought > it was supposed > > to start when the genset was on? > > > > Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 8/19/13, Richard03801 <richard03801@... > > <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working > > To: "amelyachtowners@... > > <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> " > > <amelyachtowners@... > <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 3:51 PM > > > > Hi some of the Onan gen sets do NOT have a 12 volt > > alternator so they don't run the fans. You either put a > > resistor on a line to the fans from the 24 volt out put > from > > the charger or an alternator on the gen set. When we > > replaced the Onan with Bata Marine it came with a small > > alternator that now charges the starting battery and runs > > the fans. Good luck. > > > > Regards > > > > Richard Piller > > > > Cell 603 767 5330 > > > > On Aug 19, 2013, at 16:40, "Alex" <uster@... > > <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > Today, I am running the generator. > > > > (Unplug show power), running 1 Air conditionning, both > > battery chargers and doing some computer work. > > > > After 2 hours, I noted the engine room got prety hot 48*C > / > > 118*F - so open the trap door in the cockpit. The > > temperature is slowly decreasing. > > > > Will such high temperature damage my dolphin chargers or > > other electric equipments? > > > > I noted my 220 volt fan was not working... > > > > Has any one advices on these? Troubleshotting, etc. > > > > Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre > > > > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT > > > > Seabrook, Texas, USA. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > _____ > > > > I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> > > . > > SPAMfighter has removed 1874 of my spam emails to date. > > > > Do you have a slow PC? > <http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen> > > Try a free scan! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >     >    > >     >     > > > > > > >    > > > > > > > > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 1875 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > |
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Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment...
Alexandre Uster von Baar
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I remember reading your posts. How many hours did it had? I was told many times, the engine easily last 10.000 hours. I need to talk to the previous owner again, as I thought he was able to reach 2800 rpm. I will look at my fixed prop. I am actually using Bank Sail to restich my sails, they said they did sails for 2 Super Maramu, one being yours. Small world! Thanks again, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/20/13, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment... To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2013, 6:48 AM Hi Alexandre, I spent about $6000 over a three year period trying to figure out why my Volvo wouldn't get up to speed. All cylinders checked for compression, fuel pump and injectors removed and checked by Volvo, Timing belt changed and reset, turbo cleaned and then replaced, fuel lines and tank cleaned, filters changed, hull and prop cleaned numerous times after each item done. Every mechanic said the engine was fine. A year and a half after the prop was changed (and all was working as it should), we saw oil in the exhaust and lost power dramatically. It turned out to be a cracked block. Rather than spend any more money on that engine, I repowered. The old Volvo was sold for parts by the mechanic who put the new Yanmar in for me and I received a check for $1500. I see you are in the Galveston area. I bought my boat on Lake Texoma between Texas and Oklahoma, shipped it to Galveston and did my first sail to Key West. I probably have the new pitch as recommended by the prop shop on the boat, but any prop shop can take your boat's dimensions, weight, hull type, and engine information and recommend a prop size and pitch for you. There are tables on the internet that you can use to make the calculations yourself. I would first take your fixed spare in and have it measured. If the prop shop's tables say it is overpropped for your boat, I can ship my cut down, repitched one to you and you can send me yours. It will be a month or so before I can get to it, and I don't have any idea how much it would cost. I think the altering of my spare cost about $300 if I remember correctly. Kent SM 243 Kristy Brunswick, GA, USA ________________________________ From: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment... Good evening Kent & Amel Forum, I remember reading your post... Looks like I have the same problem. Just like you, I am able to reach high rpm at the dock (was scarred to try over 2500 rpm) but not at sea. Out of curiosity, how come your Volvo broke down? (gave up the ghost) I am just concerned the engine didn't like such increase in rpm... Where do I find the size and pitch recommendations for my boat? I could be interested in your cut down fix prop. Thanks again for your help, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment... To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 7:44 PM Look for my post...both my Autoprop and my spare prop were over propped for the Volvo TMD22 as they were supplied by Amel. I gave the Autoprop numbers to the Autoprop dealer and he said that prop was recommended for the SM with 100 HP Yanmar. I put the spare prop on the boat and there was no increase in rpm. I then had a reputable prop shop in Norfolk measure the pitch on the spare prop...it too was over propped for the VolvoTMD22. I had the spare cut down to 19" dia and repitched as per the prop shop tables and recommendation...voila! 3000 rpm. When you rev the engine up while tied to the dock, the Autoprop will find a lesser pitch than when you are at speed and cruising. Even with the over propped Autoprop I was able to see 2800 rpm when tied to the dock or temporarily when goosing the engine coming into the dock...bit only got 2200-2300 when cruising. I got a maxprop sized and pitched per the maxprop recommendations for my boat, and for a season got 3000 rpms before my Volvo gave up the ghost. Now have Yanmar 110 HP and was able to adjust the maxprop enough to accommodate the new engine. Have Autoprop confirm the size and pitch of your primary, and take your spare fixed prop to a prop shop to have it measured and compared to recommendations for your boat. I still have the cut-down fixed prop if you want to try it on your boat. It's in Brunswick, GA but I can ship it to you if you'd like. Kent SM243 Kristy On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote: > Bleed the injectors because I can not exceed 2200 rpm at sea but can go to 2500 at the dock? > > I need to think about it... a bit overwhelmed at the moment... > > I like the spare prop idea... has anyone run the spare prop? > > Sincerely, Alexandre > > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 8/19/13, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment... > To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> > Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 3:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi you may want to bleed the injectors first. Then > change the prop to the 3 blade spare. Should the problem > continue; By doing these two changes you will have isolated > the transmission system from the engine. > > > > Regards > > Richard Piller > > Fairbanks Yacht Group llc > > Full brokerage and service for all yachts > > Cell 603 767 5330 > > > > On Aug 19, 2013, at 16:22, "Alex" <uster@...> > wrote: > > > > Last week, cleant exhaust elbow, heat exchanger and turbo, I > was able to make it spin using a compressed air bottle. http://nikimat.com/volvo_tmd22_turbo.html > > > > Had a diver scrubbing the prop, said it felt good. > > > > At the dock reach 2500 rpm (did not try higher). > > > > Saturday in the bay, could not exceed 2200 rpm... Very > desapointed. > > I could feel some vibrations or wabbling. Any idea? > > Could that be the prop not unfolding totally? > > > > Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre > > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT > > Seabrook, Texas, USA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Chain too long to be regalvanized...
Ian Shepherd
The new boats were supplied with 70M of chain Colin.
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Ian SM 414 Crusader Volos Greece On 20/08/2013 11:55, Colin Streeter wrote:
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Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED
Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
Alex,
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I am not sure how your house batteries are setup and your chargers, but I cannot imagine any setup that would allow for two battery chargers to be used with one bank of batteries. I think that the batteries will never get fully charged because one charger would sense the charging of the other charger and go to float. The same with the other charger. Anyway, just my comment on your statement about running 2 chargers. I am glad you found the fuse on the 220v fan. I have my doubts about the output of our 220v fan...it seems to be weak. I am not that fluent on your engine, but just pulled the injectors, exhaust elbow and turbo on the 100hp Yanmar. I was experiencing lower RPM. I found a dirty turbo that needed serious cleaning and I suspected fouled injectors, but found that the nozzles needed replacing. I also found leaks in the weld joints of the Yanmar elbow which we replaced about 1,200 hours ago. I had a 316 polished stainless elbow fabricated at Emek Marine in Turkey for half the Yanmar price in Turkey. With a cleaned turbo, new nozzles and a new elbow, we are back in high RPM territory. Best, Bill Bebe, SM2k, #387 --- In amelyachtowners@..., Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Chain too long to be regalvanized...
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Colin & Lauren,
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I believe it is the original chain, but am not 100% sure, as I have a second/smaller chain on board. It was definitely very physical because of the weight (200 Kg / 450 lbs) of the chain (plus the anchor). I didn't want to take a chance scratching the deck (of the boat), so I used my ski boat under the bow. Looking back, I wish I had ask/hire someone (that really knows what to look for) coming over and just lower the chain in the water as he/she inspect it. http://nikimat.com/anchor_chain.html Now have to put it back! Does anyone has 2 anchors on the bow? My second anchor is in the forward storage. Would love to see some pictures, know if there is ebough space, if 1 needs to be lower before the other one, etc. Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/20/13, Colin Streeter <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel] Chain too long to be regalvanized... To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2013, 6:55 AM Very interesting discussion since I was intending to haul our all my chain along the marina berth next week to check it's condition and length before our next outing..... Was the original chain as supplied with new Amel Super Maramu 2000's a 90 meter length? Fair Winds Colin & Lauren Streeter Island Pearl II - 2001 - sm2k #332 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...>wrote: > ** > > > Alexandre, > > I find this strange. I had my 90M chain re-galvanised in Nicosia last > year for EUR270 including picking up from the marina and return. I am > thinking of going to a 100M chain when I come to replace it for I found > the extra weight in the bow has improved the boat in rough short seas. > Hardly any more slamming and the boat speed seems to stay up better. The > boot top still isn't right though! I shall have it re-aligned next time > I repaint the bottom. > > Anyway, glad your chain is OK. How did the sonar test work out? As for > your turbo problem, I would have sworn that the probable cause would > have been a dirty prop. But your diver says it's clean. I need to clean > mine about every 3 months. > > Regards > > Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader Volos Harbour Greece > > > On 19/08/2013 20:25, Alex wrote: > > > > Thought I would share my experience. > > So yesterday, spend the whole day removing my 2 anchors and 2 chains, > > bringing my ski boat under, etc. > > The longest one at 90 meter (300 ft) which weight 200 kg / 450 LBS. So > > was prety physical... > > > > Early this morning arrived at K T Galvanizing (in Katy, near Houston, > > so about 1.5 hours from the Marina) and they told me my chain was too > > long for their equipment!!! > > But good news, they said I don't need to regalvanized the chain. > > They said easily 10 more years. > > > > Alexandre > > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT > > Seabrook, Texas, USA > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- *Colin Streeter* *0411 016 445* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links amelyachtowners-fullfeatured@... |
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Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment...
What is the shaft size on the Super Maramu 2000?
I mention this since I have a spare newly reconditioned H6 - 10 Hub Autoprop RH of size 504mm which was built for my last boat (Island Packet 40) with a 1.25 inch prop shaft with standard SAE Taper. If this slightly smaller H6 Hub autoprop fits someone's Volvo powered Amel then I would be prepared to part with it for about half the price of a new one. I ordered this for the Island Packet however despite many tests and e-mails backwards and forwards between Island Packet Yachts and Bruntons/Auto-Prop head office technical department we simply could not get the prop to function correctly behind the full keel of the Island Packet. It is therefore sitting in new condition on our boat unused. Given we are fortunate to have the 75HP Yanmar which revs easily to 3400 and 9.5kts boat speed we do not have any use for the smaller newly reconditioned auto-prop. If it fits someone's boat let me know, however freight from Australia could be expensive so if it fits the Amel shafts, it would probably be better for someone who is sailing past Australian waters. Fair winds Colin & Lauren Streeter Island Pearl II - sm2k #332 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote: ** -- *Colin Streeter* *0411 016 445* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Chain too long to be regalvanized...
Very interesting discussion since I was intending to haul our all my chain
along the marina berth next week to check it's condition and length before our next outing..... Was the original chain as supplied with new Amel Super Maramu 2000's a 90 meter length? Fair Winds Colin & Lauren Streeter Island Pearl II - 2001 - sm2k #332 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...>wrote: ** -- *Colin Streeter* *0411 016 445* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment...
Hi Alexandre,
I spent about $6000 over a three year period trying to figure out why my Volvo wouldn't get up to speed. All cylinders checked for compression, fuel pump and injectors removed and checked by Volvo, Timing belt changed and reset, turbo cleaned and then replaced, fuel lines and tank cleaned, filters changed, hull and prop cleaned numerous times after each item done. Every mechanic said the engine was fine. A year and a half after the prop was changed (and all was working as it should), we saw oil in the exhaust and lost power dramatically. It turned out to be a cracked block. Rather than spend any more money on that engine, I repowered. The old Volvo was sold for parts by the mechanic who put the new Yanmar in for me and I received a check for $1500. I see you are in the Galveston area. I bought my boat on Lake Texoma between Texas and Oklahoma, shipped it to Galveston and did my first sail to Key West. I probably have the new pitch as recommended by the prop shop on the boat, but any prop shop can take your boat's dimensions, weight, hull type, and engine information and recommend a prop size and pitch for you. There are tables on the internet that you can use to make the calculations yourself. I would first take your fixed spare in and have it measured. If the prop shop's tables say it is overpropped for your boat, I can ship my cut down, repitched one to you and you can send me yours. It will be a month or so before I can get to it, and I don't have any idea how much it would cost. I think the altering of my spare cost about $300 if I remember correctly. Kent SM 243 Kristy Brunswick, GA, USA ________________________________ From: Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment... Good evening Kent & Amel Forum, I remember reading your post... Looks like I have the same problem. Just like you, I am able to reach high rpm at the dock (was scarred to try over 2500 rpm) but not at sea. Out of curiosity, how come your Volvo broke down? (gave up the ghost) I am just concerned the engine didn't like such increase in rpm... Where do I find the size and pitch recommendations for my boat? I could be interested in your cut down fix prop. Thanks again for your help, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment... To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 7:44 PM Look for my post...both my Autoprop and my spare prop were over propped for the Volvo TMD22 as they were supplied by Amel. I gave the Autoprop numbers to the Autoprop dealer and he said that prop was recommended for the SM with 100 HP Yanmar. I put the spare prop on the boat and there was no increase in rpm. I then had a reputable prop shop in Norfolk measure the pitch on the spare prop...it too was over propped for the VolvoTMD22. I had the spare cut down to 19" dia and repitched as per the prop shop tables and recommendation...voila! 3000 rpm. When you rev the engine up while tied to the dock, the Autoprop will find a lesser pitch than when you are at speed and cruising. Even with the over propped Autoprop I was able to see 2800 rpm when tied to the dock or temporarily when goosing the engine coming into the dock...bit only got 2200-2300 when cruising. I got a maxprop sized and pitched per the maxprop recommendations for my boat, and for a season got 3000 rpms before my Volvo gave up the ghost. Now have Yanmar 110 HP and was able to adjust the maxprop enough to accommodate the new engine. Have Autoprop confirm the size and pitch of your primary, and take your spare fixed prop to a prop shop to have it measured and compared to recommendations for your boat. I still have the cut-down fixed prop if you want to try it on your boat. It's in Brunswick, GA but I can ship it to you if you'd like. Kent SM243 Kristy On Aug 19, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote: Bleed the injectors because I can not exceed 2200 rpmat sea but can go to 2500 at the dock? I need to think about it... a bit overwhelmed at themoment... I like the spare prop idea... has anyone run the spareprop? Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Richard03801 <richard03801@...>wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel] Turbo desapointment... To: "amelyachtowners@..."<amelyachtowners@...> Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 3:30 PM Hi you may want to bleed the injectors first. Then change the prop to the 3 blade spare. Should theproblem continue; By doing these two changes you will haveisolated the transmission system from the engine. Regards Richard Piller Fairbanks Yacht Group llc Full brokerage and service for all yachts Cell 603 767 5330 On Aug 19, 2013, at 16:22, "Alex" <uster@...> wrote: Last week, cleant exhaust elbow, heat exchanger andturbo, I was able to make it spin using a compressed air bottle.http://nikimat.com/volvo_tmd22_turbo.html Had a diver scrubbing the prop, said it felt good. At the dock reach 2500 rpm (did not try higher). Saturday in the bay, could not exceed 2200 rpm... Very desapointed. I could feel some vibrations or wabbling. Any idea? Could that be the prop not unfolding totally? Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Seabrook, Texas, USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Chain too long to be regalvanized...
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Ian,
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I was very surprised as well, especially since Houston is the 4th largest city and the 3rd or 4th concentration of boat. Here the cost per pound is $0.75 so 200 kg or 450 lbs would have cost $300 to $350. They would not pick up, unless the weight is 2500 Lbs. I totally agree additional weight on the bow makes the boat rides much better. After I took delivery, I emptied absolutely everything, and noted a lot of Lee Helm, which decreased as I reloaded. I tested the sonar in the slip, I could see the chain up and down! Saturday when I went out, did not anchor (was under the turbo desapointment). Still very confused with this turbo issue, and the slight wobbling/vibration... Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/20/13, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel] Chain too long to be regalvanized... To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2013, 5:58 AM Alexandre, I find this strange. I had my 90M chain re-galvanised in Nicosia last year for EUR270 including picking up from the marina and return. I am thinking of going to a 100M chain when I come to replace it for I found the extra weight in the bow has improved the boat in rough short seas. Hardly any more slamming and the boat speed seems to stay up better. The boot top still isn't right though! I shall have it re-aligned next time I repaint the bottom. Anyway, glad your chain is OK. How did the sonar test work out? As for your turbo problem, I would have sworn that the probable cause would have been a dirty prop. But your diver says it's clean. I need to clean mine about every 3 months. Regards Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader Volos Harbour Greece On 19/08/2013 20:25, Alex wrote: > > Thought I would share my experience. > So yesterday, spend the whole day removing my 2 anchors and 2 chains, > bringing my ski boat under, etc. > The longest one at 90 meter (300 ft) which weight 200 kg / 450 LBS. So > was prety physical... > > Early this morning arrived at K T Galvanizing (in Katy, near Houston, > so about 1.5 hours from the Marina) and they told me my chain was too > long for their equipment!!! > But good news, they said I don't need to regalvanized the chain. > They said easily 10 more years. > > Alexandre > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT > Seabrook, Texas, USA > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Chain too long to be regalvanized...
Ian Shepherd
Alexandre,
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I find this strange. I had my 90M chain re-galvanised in Nicosia last year for EUR270 including picking up from the marina and return. I am thinking of going to a 100M chain when I come to replace it for I found the extra weight in the bow has improved the boat in rough short seas. Hardly any more slamming and the boat speed seems to stay up better. The boot top still isn't right though! I shall have it re-aligned next time I repaint the bottom. Anyway, glad your chain is OK. How did the sonar test work out? As for your turbo problem, I would have sworn that the probable cause would have been a dirty prop. But your diver says it's clean. I need to clean mine about every 3 months. Regards Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader Volos Harbour Greece On 19/08/2013 20:25, Alex wrote:
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Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED
Alexandre Uster von Baar
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I run out of time and did not check if the second fan (which I think is a 24 Volt and not a 12 Volt) is working when I run the engine. I will do that later on this week. Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 10:37 PM _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Sailorman Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:51 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED Alexandre, Does the 12 volt fan work when the propulsion engine is on? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 7:49 PM To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED Hello Eric & Amel Forum I found a little fuse that was defective!!! So now the 220 Volt fan is working! Next week will try again genset to see if with this fan working it still gets as hot in the engine compartment. Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Sailorman <kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> > wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working To: "'Alexandre Uster von Baar'" <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 4:50 PM I thought the 12 volt fan just ran of the Yanmar. You might check the continuity of wires or possibly there is a fuse. Fair Winds Eric -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Uster von Baar [mailto:uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> ] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:47 PM To: kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working Thank you Eric, I have the same setup, but none of the fan is working... Do you happend to know where the solenoide is? Is there 1 for the 12 volt and 1 for the 220 volt? Thanks in advance, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Sailorman <kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> > wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 4:43 PM Hi, The 220 volt fan is on top of the 12 volt exhaust fan on Kimberlite. Kind of strange setup but it works. When the genset is on the 220 volt fan blows the exhaust through the 12 volt fan. When the engine is on the 12 volt fan sucks the air through the 220 volt fan. I believe there is a solenoid that operates the 220 volt exhaust fan. You might check that. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:05 PM To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working Hello Richard, But the fan in the engine compartment is 220 Volt. I thought it was supposed to start when the genset was on? Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Richard03801 <richard03801@... <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working To: "amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> " <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 3:51 PM Hi some of the Onan gen sets do NOT have a 12 volt alternator so they don't run the fans. You either put a resistor on a line to the fans from the 24 volt out put from the charger or an alternator on the gen set. When we replaced the Onan with Bata Marine it came with a small alternator that now charges the starting battery and runs the fans. Good luck. Regards Richard Piller Cell 603 767 5330 On Aug 19, 2013, at 16:40, "Alex" <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > wrote: Today, I am running the generator. (Unplug show power), running 1 Air conditionning, both battery chargers and doing some computer work. After 2 hours, I noted the engine room got prety hot 48*C / 118*F - so open the trap door in the cockpit. The temperature is slowly decreasing. Will such high temperature damage my dolphin chargers or other electric equipments? I noted my 220 volt fan was not working... Has any one advices on these? Troubleshotting, etc. Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Seabrook, Texas, USA. _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> . SPAMfighter has removed 1874 of my spam emails to date. Do you have a slow PC? <http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen> Try a free scan! 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Re: [Amel] Chain too long to be regalvanized...
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Anne and John,
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One of my anchor (Spade) has a lot of rust and was told twice it needs to be regalvanized, since the galvanizing company have a minimum order/weight, I thought I would bring everything... The first company couldn't do the chain, becausethey didn't had the basket to "centrifuge the chain. The second company had the basket, but as I mentionned too small. Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/20/13, Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel] Chain too long to be regalvanized... To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2013, 3:46 AM Hello Alex, Why did you think it needed regalvanising and why did they think you were wrong? We had our 80 mtr chain hot dip galvanised in Spain about four years ago and it is still perfect but only used for 2/3 months of the year. To do it they did not have a tank 81 metres deep so they made a number of hooks out of strong wire and looped the chain so that was shorter than the tank. It was very hot when it came out! Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319, Licata From: Alex Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:25 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel] Chain too long to be regalvanized... Thought I would share my experience. So yesterday, spend the whole day removing my 2 anchors and 2 chains, bringing my ski boat under, etc. The longest one at 90 meter (300 ft) which weight 200 kg / 450 LBS. So was prety physical... Early this morning arrived at K T Galvanizing (in Katy, near Houston, so about 1.5 hours from the Marina) and they told me my chain was too long for their equipment!!! But good news, they said I don't need to regalvanized the chain. They said easily 10 more years. Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Seabrook, Texas, USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Chain too long to be regalvanized...
Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
Hello Alex, Why did you think it needed regalvanising and why did they think you were wrong?
We had our 80 mtr chain hot dip galvanised in Spain about four years ago and it is still perfect but only used for 2/3 months of the year. To do it they did not have a tank 81 metres deep so they made a number of hooks out of strong wire and looped the chain so that was shorter than the tank. It was very hot when it came out! Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319, Licata From: Alex Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:25 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel] Chain too long to be regalvanized... Thought I would share my experience. So yesterday, spend the whole day removing my 2 anchors and 2 chains, bringing my ski boat under, etc. The longest one at 90 meter (300 ft) which weight 200 kg / 450 LBS. So was prety physical... Early this morning arrived at K T Galvanizing (in Katy, near Houston, so about 1.5 hours from the Marina) and they told me my chain was too long for their equipment!!! But good news, they said I don't need to regalvanized the chain. They said easily 10 more years. Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Seabrook, Texas, USA |
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Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED
Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Sailorman Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:51 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED Alexandre, Does the 12 volt fan work when the propulsion engine is on? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 7:49 PM To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED Hello Eric & Amel Forum I found a little fuse that was defective!!! So now the 220 Volt fan is working! Next week will try again genset to see if with this fan working it still gets as hot in the engine compartment. Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Sailorman <kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> > wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working To: "'Alexandre Uster von Baar'" <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 4:50 PM I thought the 12 volt fan just ran of the Yanmar. You might check the continuity of wires or possibly there is a fuse. Fair Winds Eric -----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar [mailto:uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> ] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:47 PM To: kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working Thank you Eric, I have the same setup, but none of the fan is working... Do you happend to know where the solenoide is? Is there 1 for the 12 volt and 1 for the 220 volt? Thanks in advance, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Sailorman <kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> > wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 4:43 PM Hi, The 220 volt fan is on top of the 12 volt exhaust fan on Kimberlite. Kind of strange setup but it works. When the genset is on the 220 volt fan blows the exhaust through the 12 volt fan. When the engine is on the 12 volt fan sucks the air through the 220 volt fan. I believe there is a solenoid that operates the 220 volt exhaust fan. You might check that. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:05 PM To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working Hello Richard, But the fan in the engine compartment is 220 Volt. I thought it was supposed to start when the genset was on? Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Richard03801 <richard03801@... <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working To: "amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> " <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 3:51 PM Hi some of the Onan gen sets do NOT have a 12 volt alternator so they don't run the fans. You either put a resistor on a line to the fans from the 24 volt out put from the charger or an alternator on the gen set. When we replaced the Onan with Bata Marine it came with a small alternator that now charges the starting battery and runs the fans. Good luck. Regards Richard Piller Cell 603 767 5330 On Aug 19, 2013, at 16:40, "Alex" <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > wrote: Today, I am running the generator. (Unplug show power), running 1 Air conditionning, both battery chargers and doing some computer work. After 2 hours, I noted the engine room got prety hot 48*C / 118*F - so open the trap door in the cockpit. The temperature is slowly decreasing. Will such high temperature damage my dolphin chargers or other electric equipments? I noted my 220 volt fan was not working... Has any one advices on these? Troubleshotting, etc. Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Seabrook, Texas, USA. _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> . SPAMfighter has removed 1874 of my spam emails to date. Do you have a slow PC? <http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen> Try a free scan! -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 1875 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen |
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Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED
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From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Sailorman Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:51 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED Alexandre, Does the 12 volt fan work when the propulsion engine is on? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 7:49 PM To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED Hello Eric & Amel Forum I found a little fuse that was defective!!! So now the 220 Volt fan is working! Next week will try again genset to see if with this fan working it still gets as hot in the engine compartment. Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Sailorman <kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> > wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working To: "'Alexandre Uster von Baar'" <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 4:50 PM I thought the 12 volt fan just ran of the Yanmar. You might check the continuity of wires or possibly there is a fuse. Fair Winds Eric -----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar [mailto:uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> ] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:47 PM To: kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working Thank you Eric, I have the same setup, but none of the fan is working... Do you happend to know where the solenoide is? Is there 1 for the 12 volt and 1 for the 220 volt? Thanks in advance, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Sailorman <kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> > wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 4:43 PM Hi, The 220 volt fan is on top of the 12 volt exhaust fan on Kimberlite. Kind of strange setup but it works. When the genset is on the 220 volt fan blows the exhaust through the 12 volt fan. When the engine is on the 12 volt fan sucks the air through the 220 volt fan. I believe there is a solenoid that operates the 220 volt exhaust fan. You might check that. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:05 PM To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working Hello Richard, But the fan in the engine compartment is 220 Volt. I thought it was supposed to start when the genset was on? Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Richard03801 <richard03801@... <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working To: "amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> " <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 3:51 PM Hi some of the Onan gen sets do NOT have a 12 volt alternator so they don't run the fans. You either put a resistor on a line to the fans from the 24 volt out put from the charger or an alternator on the gen set. When we replaced the Onan with Bata Marine it came with a small alternator that now charges the starting battery and runs the fans. Good luck. Regards Richard Piller Cell 603 767 5330 On Aug 19, 2013, at 16:40, "Alex" <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > wrote: Today, I am running the generator. (Unplug show power), running 1 Air conditionning, both battery chargers and doing some computer work. After 2 hours, I noted the engine room got prety hot 48*C / 118*F - so open the trap door in the cockpit. The temperature is slowly decreasing. Will such high temperature damage my dolphin chargers or other electric equipments? I noted my 220 volt fan was not working... Has any one advices on these? Troubleshotting, etc. Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Seabrook, Texas, USA. _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> . SPAMfighter has removed 1874 of my spam emails to date. Do you have a slow PC? <http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen> Try a free scan! -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 1875 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen |
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Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED
Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
Alexandre,
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Does the 12 volt fan work when the propulsion engine is on? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 7:49 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working - FIXED Hello Eric & Amel Forum I found a little fuse that was defective!!! So now the 220 Volt fan is working! Next week will try again genset to see if with this fan working it still gets as hot in the engine compartment. Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Sailorman <kimberlite@...
<mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> > wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working To: "'Alexandre Uster von Baar'" <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 4:50 PM I thought the 12 volt fan just ran of the Yanmar. You might check the continuity of wires or possibly there is a fuse. Fair Winds Eric -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Uster von Baar [mailto:uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> ] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:47 PM To: kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working Thank you Eric, I have the same setup, but none of the fan is working... Do you happend to know where the solenoide is? Is there 1 for the 12 volt and 1 for the 220 volt? Thanks in advance, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Sailorman <kimberlite@... <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> > wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 4:43 PM Hi, The 220 volt fan is on top of the 12 volt exhaust fan on Kimberlite. Kind of strange setup but it works. When the genset is on the 220 volt fan blows the exhaust through the 12 volt fan. When the engine is on the 12 volt fan sucks the air through the 220 volt fan. I believe there is a solenoid that operates the 220 volt exhaust fan. You might check that. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:05 PM To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working Hello Richard, But the fan in the engine compartment is 220 Volt. I thought it was supposed to start when the genset was on? Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/19/13, Richard03801 <richard03801@... <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel] 220 Volt engine room fan not working To: "amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> " <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, August 19, 2013, 3:51 PM Hi some of the Onan gen sets do NOT have a 12 volt alternator so they don't run the fans. You either put a resistor on a line to the fans from the 24 volt out put from the charger or an alternator on the gen set. When we replaced the Onan with Bata Marine it came with a small alternator that now charges the starting battery and runs the fans. Good luck. Regards Richard Piller Cell 603 767 5330 On Aug 19, 2013, at 16:40, "Alex" <uster@... <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> <mailto:uster%40rocketmail.com> > wrote: Today, I am running the generator. (Unplug show power), running 1 Air conditionning, both battery chargers and doing some computer work. After 2 hours, I noted the engine room got prety hot 48*C / 118*F - so open the trap door in the cockpit. The temperature is slowly decreasing. Will such high temperature damage my dolphin chargers or other electric equipments? I noted my 220 volt fan was not working... Has any one advices on these? Troubleshotting, etc. Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre SM2K #289 NIKIMAT Seabrook, Texas, USA. _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> . SPAMfighter has removed 1874 of my spam emails to date. Do you have a slow PC? <http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen> Try a free scan! -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 1875 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen |
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Re: Yahoo Groups may become a thing of the past
I can look into starting and hosting an English version of a full featured forum if there is enough support for the idea. I don't want to jump in 'out of nowhere' and hijack any else's ideas or plans. I host a few websites already and have plenty of room to put up a forum. Since the perception is that this will be a 'gradual' thing the group could construct the topics and features needed to make a full-up forum.
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I'm not positive, since I've not tried it before, but a multi-language, single site forum could also work easily, it's just that it would require dual-posting in each of the different language sections (I don't think it can be automated). I'd be happy to explore this further if there's a genuine interest in converting a long-standing group to a domain-based forum. It'd just take a bit of time and a nominal startup cost which I can handle. I wouldn't envision an 'association' fee or dues, just an option to donate to defray the domain registration and bandwidth costs. So, I know I've been a lurker for a while and, as a matter of fact, we've not purchased our boat yet (we are committed to the brand though; it's just a matter of weeks till retirement!)but I could se this being a hobby while sailing around that might be enjoyable. What thinkest thou?? Gary --- In amelyachtowners@..., "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...> wrote:
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