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Re: [Amel] Bad odours coming from the A/C
Don't you think its because the aft cabin a/c unit is mounted in the aft head ? the a/c intake is right next to the bowl !!!!
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Unless the head is not used or is scrupulously clean, any odour from the head will end up in the aft cabin...I know mine does QQQ Mind you my aft cabin a/c isn't working...but when it was I had the same issue... Cheers Alan Elyse SM #437 --- In amelyachtowners@..., Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Bad odours coming from the A/C
Alexandre Uster von Baar
On NIkimat SM2K #289, I also have a little smell in the aft cabin coming from the Air Conditionning.
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I do not have it on the salon nor forward cabin. I think Kent is right, that is comes from the condensation remaining in the tray below the AC unit. I will flush it a few times a day to see if it goes away. -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 8/7/13, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel] Bad odours coming from the A/C To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Date: Wednesday, August 7, 2013, 5:48 AM What kind of smell is it, Martin? There should be no leakage of sea water with the gas system or air flow. If there was a connection between the gas and sea water, the gas would escape and there would be no cooling. If sea water is leaking out at the AC unit, it should be obvious. More likely the condensate drainage is not draining into the bilge and remains in the tray below the AC unit. That could cause mold issues. Let us know what you find. Kent SM 243 Kristy Brunswick GA USA From: luvkante <luvkante@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 1:22 AM Subject: [Amel] Bad odours coming from the A/C Hi everybody, Whenever we leave our boat for a couple of days, the A/C creates nasty odours. I assume, that this is because the cooling water hoses are not gas tight. The A/C smell in the owners cabin is the worst. Does anybody have experience in resolving this issue? Your support is highly appreciated. Martin Amel 54 "Chiara" #149 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Fresh Water Pump
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Hi we've been using a demand pressure pump for years on both our Amels. They work great.
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Regards Richard Piller Cell 603 767 5330 On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:40, Ian & Judy Jenkins <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:
Hi Ian, I am not on the boat till next week so can't answer your question at the moment. We now only have the separate expansion tank which sits outboard of the Onan. The pump is noisier than the Amel original but not unduly so and I could easily reduce the noise by putting a rubber layer under the feet. I spoke to Jabsco about their pump which needs no expansion tank and they told me that they were on the point of improving its performance and to wait another year before buying one. This was a couple of years ago. I haven't followed it up because we are very happy with the Jabsco which we bought.40 psi gives a wonderful shower, even better than the Amel unit which was very good itself. Incidentally, we also fitted the bayonet deck fitting for our anchor wash and at the same time switched to a Jabsco wash down pump for that purpose after the original Amel anchor wash pump and delivery point was overwhelmed by Brasilian mud. Big improvement having a short length of hose and a hand gun fitting. Cheers, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Malta To: amelyachtowners@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Re: Bad odours coming from the A/C
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Hi Kent It appears you are right on. Chlorine is not a good thing to leave in the bilge/engine room. To many metals that the gases will attack. Best to flush before leaving or put simple green in the bilge or white vinegar. We leave a bowl of white vinegar in the heads then flush it away. The other thing to keep in mind if it is hot enough for AC and there is sea water in the head well it'll grow/stink
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Regards Richard Piller Cell 603 767 5330 On Aug 7, 2013, at 7:04, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
Hi, Mike, I just read about Javel Tabs after seeing your post. I think I'd be careful about leaving that in your bilge for very long. Although it is hypochlorous acid (HOCl), it will react with water to form HCl and bleach. That could be harmful to the copper grounding strap in the bilge sump, and to the bilge pump. I do put a little bleach in the sump when it starts to smell bad, but flush it out after an hour or so. The real key to keeping the sump from smelling is to keep foodstuffs out of the drainage from the galley sink. Since I've been scraping and wiping all plates and pots and pans before washing the dishes, the odor in the bilge has become significantly less and is probably related to skin cells from the shower and sink. Please someone tell me I'm wrong...I'd love to find something I can leave in the bilge sump that will eliminate the odors altogether. Kent SM 243 Kristy Brunswick, GA, USA From: Mike Johnson <mike.k.johnson@...> To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Bad odours coming from the A/C Hi Martin, Concur with Bill's comments but would also start my investigation in the bilge sump. When leaving the boat for even a couple of days we take the precaution of flushing the systems through with fresh water and cleaning the bilge with fresh water leaving it half full with one Javel tablet dissolving. Best wishes Mike & Peta Solitude SM2K #461 From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com> To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 9:01 Subject: [Amel] Re: Bad odours coming from the A/C Martin,You probably need to add detail...for instance is the odor coming from the air coming out of the blower vent when you turn the A/C on, or from the area where the A/C is located? Have you checked the evaporator coil and surrounding area for mold/mildew? Are the condensation lines plumbed from the A/C pan drain to the bilge sump? Are they clear? Is it possible the odor is reversing from the bilge sump to the A/C drain pan through the drain hose.BillBeBe, SM2k, #387--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "luvkante" <luvkante@...> wrote:>> Hi everybody,> > Whenever we leave our boat for a couple of days, the A/C creates nasty odours. I assume, that this is because the cooling water hoses are not gas tight.> > The A/C smell in the owners cabin is the worst.> > Does anybody have experience in resolving this issue?> > Your support is highly appreciated.> > Martin> Amel 54 "Chiara"> #149> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Re: Bad odours coming from the A/C
Actually, when I do use chlorine, I put some chlorine water in all the sinks as Bill does to keep the pipes from smelling as well. But I don't leave it in there for long. I had to replace that grounding strap which was completely corroded away...a difficult and pricey job.
Kent From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 6:40 AM Subject: [Amel] Re: Bad odours coming from the A/C Mike, What size chlorine tablet and how often do you use them? I have thought about buying some chlorine tabs, but did not know the size needed. We clean the bilge about every 6 weeks and before we leave the boat for longer than a few days. Pressure washing, then wet-vacuum dry, adding about 8" of fresh water with a mild chlorine bleach added...add the chlorine/water solution from the galley sink which has the added benefit of cleaning the galley drains. Bill BeBe --- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Johnson <mike.k.johnson@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Re: Bad odours coming from the A/C
Hi, Mike,
I just read about Javel Tabs after seeing your post. I think I'd be careful about leaving that in your bilge for very long. Although it is hypochlorous acid (HOCl), it will react with water to form HCl and bleach. That could be harmful to the copper grounding strap in the bilge sump, and to the bilge pump. I do put a little bleach in the sump when it starts to smell bad, but flush it out after an hour or so. The real key to keeping the sump from smelling is to keep foodstuffs out of the drainage from the galley sink. Since I've been scraping and wiping all plates and pots and pans before washing the dishes, the odor in the bilge has become significantly less and is probably related to skin cells from the shower and sink. Please someone tell me I'm wrong...I'd love to find something I can leave in the bilge sump that will eliminate the odors altogether. Kent SM 243 Kristy Brunswick, GA, USA From: Mike Johnson <mike.k.johnson@...> To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Bad odours coming from the A/C Hi Martin, Concur with Bill's comments but would also start my investigation in the bilge sump. When leaving the boat for even a couple of days we take the precaution of flushing the systems through with fresh water and cleaning the bilge with fresh water leaving it half full with one Javel tablet dissolving. Best wishes Mike & Peta Solitude SM2K #461 From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com> To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 9:01 Subject: [Amel] Re: Bad odours coming from the A/C Martin,You probably need to add detail...for instance is the odor coming from the air coming out of the blower vent when you turn the A/C on, or from the area where the A/C is located? Have you checked the evaporator coil and surrounding area for mold/mildew? Are the condensation lines plumbed from the A/C pan drain to the bilge sump? Are they clear? Is it possible the odor is reversing from the bilge sump to the A/C drain pan through the drain hose.BillBeBe, SM2k, #387--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "luvkante" <luvkante@...> wrote:>> Hi everybody,> > Whenever we leave our boat for a couple of days, the A/C creates nasty odours. I assume, that this is because the cooling water hoses are not gas tight.> > The A/C smell in the owners cabin is the worst.> > Does anybody have experience in resolving this issue?> > Your support is highly appreciated.> > Martin> Amel 54 "Chiara"> #149> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Bad odours coming from the A/C
What kind of smell is it, Martin? There should be no leakage of sea water with the gas system or air flow. If there was a connection between the gas and sea water, the gas would escape and there would be no cooling. If sea water is leaking out at the AC unit, it should be obvious. More likely the condensate drainage is not draining into the bilge and remains in the tray below the AC unit. That could cause mold issues.
Let us know what you find. Kent SM 243 Kristy Brunswick GA USA From: luvkante <luvkante@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2013 1:22 AM Subject: [Amel] Bad odours coming from the A/C Hi everybody, Whenever we leave our boat for a couple of days, the A/C creates nasty odours. I assume, that this is because the cooling water hoses are not gas tight. The A/C smell in the owners cabin is the worst. Does anybody have experience in resolving this issue? Your support is highly appreciated. Martin Amel 54 "Chiara" #149 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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[Amel] Re: Bad odours coming from the A/C
Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
Mike,
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What size chlorine tablet and how often do you use them? I have thought about buying some chlorine tabs, but did not know the size needed. We clean the bilge about every 6 weeks and before we leave the boat for longer than a few days. Pressure washing, then wet-vacuum dry, adding about 8" of fresh water with a mild chlorine bleach added...add the chlorine/water solution from the galley sink which has the added benefit of cleaning the galley drains. Bill BeBe --- In amelyachtowners@..., Mike Johnson <mike.k.johnson@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Re: Bad odours coming from the A/C
Mike Johnson
Hi Martin,
Concur with Bill's comments but would also start my investigation in the bilge sump. When leaving the boat for even a couple of days we take the precaution of flushing the systems through with fresh water and cleaning the bilge with fresh water leaving it half full with one Javel tablet dissolving. Best wishes Mike & Peta Solitude SM2K #461 From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 9:01 Subject: [Amel] Re: Bad odours coming from the A/C Martin,You probably need to add detail...for instance is the odor coming from the air coming out of the blower vent when you turn the A/C on, or from the area where the A/C is located? Have you checked the evaporator coil and surrounding area for mold/mildew? Are the condensation lines plumbed from the A/C pan drain to the bilge sump? Are they clear? Is it possible the odor is reversing from the bilge sump to the A/C drain pan through the drain hose.BillBeBe, SM2k, #387--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "luvkante" <luvkante@...> wrote:>> Hi everybody,> > Whenever we leave our boat for a couple of days, the A/C creates nasty odours. I assume, that this is because the cooling water hoses are not gas tight.> > The A/C smell in the owners cabin is the worst.> > Does anybody have experience in resolving this issue?> > Your support is highly appreciated.> > Martin> Amel 54 "Chiara"> #149> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: Bad odours coming from the A/C
Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
Martin,
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You probably need to add detail...for instance is the odor coming from the air coming out of the blower vent when you turn the A/C on, or from the area where the A/C is located? Have you checked the evaporator coil and surrounding area for mold/mildew? Are the condensation lines plumbed from the A/C pan drain to the bilge sump? Are they clear? Is it possible the odor is reversing from the bilge sump to the A/C drain pan through the drain hose. Bill BeBe, SM2k, #387 --- In amelyachtowners@..., "luvkante" <luvkante@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Fresh Water Pump
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Ian, I am not on the boat till next week so can't answer your question at the moment. We now only have the separate expansion tank which sits outboard of the Onan. The pump is noisier than the Amel original but not unduly so and I could easily reduce the noise by putting a rubber layer under the feet.
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I spoke to Jabsco about their pump which needs no expansion tank and they told me that they were on the point of improving its performance and to wait another year before buying one. This was a couple of years ago. I haven't followed it up because we are very happy with the Jabsco which we bought.40 psi gives a wonderful shower, even better than the Amel unit which was very good itself. Incidentally, we also fitted the bayonet deck fitting for our anchor wash and at the same time switched to a Jabsco wash down pump for that purpose after the original Amel anchor wash pump and delivery point was overwhelmed by Brasilian mud. Big improvement having a short length of hose and a hand gun fitting. Cheers, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Malta To: amelyachtowners@... |
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Bad odours coming from the A/C
luvkante
Hi everybody,
Whenever we leave our boat for a couple of days, the A/C creates nasty odours. I assume, that this is because the cooling water hoses are not gas tight. The A/C smell in the owners cabin is the worst. Does anybody have experience in resolving this issue? Your support is highly appreciated. Martin Amel 54 "Chiara" #149 |
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[Amel] Re: An Automatic Anchor Wash
ullaroo
Hi Ian,
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Thanks for the information. Forward looking sonar is high on my new equipment list. But mainly for obvious reasons like navigation among coral reefs and entering shallow anchorages that you mentioned already. I've never thought that it can be useful to monitor your anchor and chain. Fair winds, Üllar --- In amelyachtowners@..., Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Re: An Automatic Anchor Wash
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Hello Ian,
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I can't wait to try!!! This sounds so exciting! I was wondering how to retreive their anchor shorthanded! I have only received my boat 5 months ago, but I am amazed of what I have been learning through the forum as well as friends/neighbor, previous owner, between checking the Air conditionning capacitators, making my own gasket, and so on. A never ending learning experience which I really enjoy. Alexandre SM2K NIKIMAT Seabrook, Texas, USA -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/6/13, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: An Automatic Anchor Wash To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 6, 2013, 10:19 AM Hello Üllar, I have an Interphase Probe forward looking sonar with the display mounted on the instrument panel between the boat speed and wind angle indicators. This was possible as I specified this layout before the boat was built. The sonar shows the chain very clearly if you select the shallowest range (6M) and adjust the gain in manual mode to about 13. The display shows the chain and its vertical angle relative to the boat which is most useful when moving forwards to eliminate unnecessary stress on the windlass. An over run is also clearly shown. The anchor itself shows clearly which is useful when the chain counter shows 3-4 metres more to go than it actually the case! However it only works if the bow is aligned with the chain, so you need to be good at following the path of the chain to have a continuous picture throughout anchor retrieval. It can be an interesting game knowing which way to turn! By the way I was told a lot of nonsense by Pochon that the Probe was useless at seeing the seabed in front of you at anything faster than 3.5 knots. This might be the case if you set the gain to automatic, which I never do. If the gain is adjusted manually I can see a clear picture even at 8 knots. It's been a very useful tool and has enabled me to tuck into shallow anchorages, chose a flat spot to drop the anchor, differentiate between rocks and sand/mud, creep over reefs and avoid groundings. I hope this helps. Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader Myrina Limnos Greece On 06/08/2013 07:54, ullaroo wrote: > > Hi Ian, > > Your solution is very intriguing from shorthanders point of view. Can > you give more detail about your anchoring equipment? What type of > sonar? How clear is chain on sonar picture? > > Regards, > Üllar > > --- In amelyachtowners@... > <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>, Ian Shepherd > <sv_freespirit@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Kent, > > > > at least I am not the only one to have the problem. Whilst Stateside I > > bought a very neat through deck fitting called 'Washdown'. Yes you have > > to drill a hole through the foredeck, but at least you can wash that > > area down with the lockers shut tight. I too have a garden hose and > > spray nozzle that fits into the bayonet deck fitting. As I prefer to > > weigh the anchor from the cockpit watching the chain angle on my > forward > > looking sonar, leaning over the bow and washing the chain by hand > before > > it reaches the roller is not an option as I am mostly single handed. > > > > Regards > > > > Ian SM 414 Crusader Limnos Greece > > |
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Re: [Amel] Re: An Automatic Anchor Wash
Ian Shepherd
Hello Üllar,
I have an Interphase Probe forward looking sonar with the display mounted on the instrument panel between the boat speed and wind angle indicators. This was possible as I specified this layout before the boat was built. The sonar shows the chain very clearly if you select the shallowest range (6M) and adjust the gain in manual mode to about 13. The display shows the chain and its vertical angle relative to the boat which is most useful when moving forwards to eliminate unnecessary stress on the windlass. An over run is also clearly shown. The anchor itself shows clearly which is useful when the chain counter shows 3-4 metres more to go than it actually the case! However it only works if the bow is aligned with the chain, so you need to be good at following the path of the chain to have a continuous picture throughout anchor retrieval. It can be an interesting game knowing which way to turn! By the way I was told a lot of nonsense by Pochon that the Probe was useless at seeing the seabed in front of you at anything faster than 3.5 knots. This might be the case if you set the gain to automatic, which I never do. If the gain is adjusted manually I can see a clear picture even at 8 knots. It's been a very useful tool and has enabled me to tuck into shallow anchorages, chose a flat spot to drop the anchor, differentiate between rocks and sand/mud, creep over reefs and avoid groundings. I hope this helps. Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader Myrina Limnos Greece On 06/08/2013 07:54, ullaroo wrote:
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Re: [Amel] routing cable for outhaul motor
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Hans,
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This is not exactly what you want, but should help, on the last picture of the link, you can see the messenger line. Let me know if you can see the link: http://nikimat.com/outhaul_motor_rebuild.html Sincerely, Alexandre -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/6/13, Hans-Joachim <Dr.Hofschulte@...> wrote:
Subject: [Amel] routing cable for outhaul motor To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Tuesday, August 6, 2013, 2:58 AM Hi all, could anybody send me one photo or more of the backside of the mast under the boom, so that I can see the routing of the cable for the outhaul motor . The preowner of my boat changed something and I want to make it original. dr.hofschulte at t-online.de many thanks in advance Hans-Joachim Johanna-Amalthea SM 2000 #436 Santa Cruz De Tenerife |
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Re: [Amel] Fresh Water Pump
Ian Shepherd
Hi Ian,
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I have been researching Jabsco pumps but there are so many to choose from. If it's not to much trouble could you please confirm that you have the ParMax 3.5' Part Number 32600-0094 priced at £106.40 plus VAT? Also, did you retain the accumulator tank? If not, is the output smooth enough? I see that Jabsco also do a range of constant output pumps, though at a price. These may be more power consuming and use more water I guess. Regards Ian SM 2K 414 Crusader Limnos Island Greece On 31/07/2013 08:36, Ian & Judy Jenkins wrote:
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routing cable for outhaul motor
dr_hofschulte
Hi all,
could anybody send me one photo or more of the backside of the mast under the boom, so that I can see the routing of the cable for the outhaul motor . The preowner of my boat changed something and I want to make it original. dr.hofschulte at t-online.de many thanks in advance Hans-Joachim Johanna-Amalthea SM 2000 #436 Santa Cruz De Tenerife |
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Re: An Automatic Anchor Wash
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Your solution is very intriguing from shorthanders point of view. Can you give more detail about your anchoring equipment? What type of sonar? How clear is chain on sonar picture? Regards, Üllar --- In amelyachtowners@..., Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] An Automatic Anchor Wash
Ian Shepherd
Hi Kent,
at least I am not the only one to have the problem. Whilst Stateside I bought a very neat through deck fitting called 'Washdown'. Yes you have to drill a hole through the foredeck, but at least you can wash that area down with the lockers shut tight. I too have a garden hose and spray nozzle that fits into the bayonet deck fitting. As I prefer to weigh the anchor from the cockpit watching the chain angle on my forward looking sonar, leaning over the bow and washing the chain by hand before it reaches the roller is not an option as I am mostly single handed. Regards Ian SM 414 Crusader Limnos Greece The Deck Fitting: http://www.marinemegastore.com/product-DECK-WASH-DOWN-FITTING-BSP-CONNECTOR-AQU_Q06830.htm On 05/08/2013 00:20, Kent Robertson wrote:
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