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Re: [Amel] Re: water heater

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bill, we have been out of range for a while, doing a catch up, just saw your reply. Thanks for this but our hole is actually in the side of the stainless tank. I removed the tank, took the pipe assembly off the end and was able to effect a repair to the small hole. I will leave it at that for the moment and keep all the advice on file.
Kind Regards
Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl

--- On Wed, 3/2/10, svbebe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com> wrote:


From: svbebe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: water heater
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 2:05 PM


 



Hi Danny,

Take a look at the photo at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amelyachto wners/photos/ album/1810067720 /pic/list

#387 had an Isotemp originally and we replaced it with the same model # Isotemp, but in the mean time Isotemp modified that model #.

Installing the new model was a little more than a normal "boat challenge" and possibly there was a better way to install it. BTW, it is most likely the heat element that is leaking/defective. I do not know about your mfg., but Isotemp sells the replacement element and Home Depot on St. Thomas will have a number of "universal" heating elements that may well fit.

It does not look like it, but the water heater will remove between the ceiling and the generator.

Budget Marine in St. Thomas had the Isotemp 40 liter when I was there last.

Judy says hi to Yvonne.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, #387
BeBe Currently in Malaysia, crew in Siem Reap, Cambodia

--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, Danny SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi All, we are in the US Virgin Islands and our hot water heater tank has sprung a leak. The unit is a Quick Nautic Boiler 40 Litre capacity, 220 volt 1200 watt. Any suggestions as to most economical replacement and given our location where best to try. 
Regards
Danny and Yvonne
Ocean Pearl SM 299 

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Re: [Amel] Rack and Pinion

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

We had cable problems, very stiff steering, replaced them, all good.
Regards
Danny and Yvonne SM 299 Ocean Pearl

--- On Wed, 3/2/10, eric <kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote:


From: eric <kimberlite@optonline.net>
Subject: [Amel] Rack and Pinion
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010, 6:28 PM


 



I believe I have a bad steering rack and pinion.
has anyone had problems with this on their super maramu?
Fair winds
eric
sm 376 Kimberlite








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Re: [Amel] water heater

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thank you all for your suggestions and advice, for the moment I have repaired the hole (successfully so far) but I will keep a file of the options for replacement.
Kind Regards
Danny and Yvonne SM 299 Ocean Pearl

--- On Thu, 4/2/10, murray k. seidel <mseidel@ec.rr.com> wrote:


From: murray k. seidel <mseidel@ec.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] water heater
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 4 February, 2010, 1:33 AM


 



MY WATER HEATER IN SM349 SUFFERED HEAT EXCHANGER FAILURE. Go on internet to
find company in new jersey . It was found under topic Quik-Nautic I believe...
They shipped me a replacement at a reasonable price and it was easily
installed by us.. I believe it came ups. Murray Seidel

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kimberlite
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:25 PM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Amel] water heater

Hi,

I replaced mine with a isotherm-isotemp. It is available from Budget Marine
in the islands.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> ] On Behalf Of Danny SIMMS
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 AM
To: amel owners
Subject: [Amel] water heater

Hi All, we are in the US Virgin Islands and our hot water heater tank has
sprung a leak. The unit is a Quick Nautic Boiler 40 Litre capacity, 220 volt
1200 watt. Any suggestions as to most economical replacement and given our
location where best to try.
Regards
Danny and Yvonne
Ocean Pearl SM 299

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Batteries

Eric Freedman
 

Hi,

I only need to charge twice a day for about an hour.

I keep the batteries between 65 and 85 percent charged. I only go for more
if I am making water.

I have the 13 cell battery bank.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danny SIMMS
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:54 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"





Hi all, I have come in at the end of this discussion but my Amel hand book
recomends 3 times a day charging for one and a half to two hours a time.
When at sea they suggest at least 6 hours charging a day.
Cheers
Danny and Yvonne SM 299 Ocean Pearl

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com> wrote:

From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:20 AM



Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same
engin? My problem is
having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I
get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is
abb,50% empty!!
Pls explain how youi manage with this.
SM223 Fortuna
Iv

____________ _________ _________ __
De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28
Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"


Hi, John, et al,
I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt
winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef"
the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out
of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally
rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the
wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was
fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be
slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming
waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's
figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of
the boat?

Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
"Kristy"

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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all, I have come in at the end of this discussion but my Amel hand book recomends 3 times a day charging for one and a half to two hours a time. When at sea they suggest at least 6 hours charging a day.
Cheers
Danny and Yvonne SM 299 Ocean Pearl

--- On Fri, 5/2/10, Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 10:20 AM


 



Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you  my have the same engin? My problem is
having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!!
Pls explain how youi manage with this.
SM223 Fortuna
Iv

____________ _________ _________ __
De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28
Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

 
Hi, John, et al,
I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas.  We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas.  With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts.  When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick.  It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat?
 
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
"Kristy"

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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@...>
 

Good point.




________________________________
From: kimberlite <kimberlite@optonline.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 10:15:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

 
Eric,

I purchased one of those load testers to test my last set of batteries.
Most tested very good. However when I opened the batteries up many cells
were almost totally dry. I believe the battery load tester is not the thing
to use for deep cycle batteries as they are developed for starting
batteries. I had a crewmember on board who spent 11 years in a submarine.
They use deep cycle batteries. He said they only is to use a hydrometer on
wet cell deep cycle batteries.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Eric Lindholm
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:50 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

I use a commercial battery tester. It puts a load on the battery and you get
the result in about 10 seconds. Very accurate. You are supposed to check the
battery when it is fully charged, but you can get an accurate assessment
even when it isn't. It will tell you if the battery is in good shape, fair
or bad. Can be used on 6 volt or 12 volt systems. In addition it will also
check your charging system. They are about $50 and the size of half a loaf
of bread.

Eric Mamaru 105

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From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@ <mailto:jean. boucharlat% 40orange. fr>
orange.fr>
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 2:20:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Iv and Eric,

Yes indeed you can measure batteries with a hydrometer assuming that they
are not gel type or any other kind of so-called sealed batteries (although
some of those can actually be opened).

Jean Boucharlat

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtow ners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kimberlite
Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 20:20
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Iv,

You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
[mailto:amelyachtow ners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> ] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Iv,

I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the
advice given to you by Kent is sound.

I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw
up the whole bank.

The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite
simple:

First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that
12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V)

1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank

2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach
approximately 25.4 or 25.5V.

3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current
draw on them)

4 – measure their voltage after the rest period

5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good
one

6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually
probably much lower) that pair has a problem.

Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same
procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to
find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong).

This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform.

All the best,

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtow ners@
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Kent Robertson
Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi, Iv,
Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning
fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone
else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in.

My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP
of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand.

I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only
being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster
than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only
40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88%
charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up.
Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged
using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day
with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v
after a discharge of 80 or more Ah.

The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a
reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's
programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge,
it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the
monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the
charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only
charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch
the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should
show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp
charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are
discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are
charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or
less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the
monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may
not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating,
the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the
batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment
(a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps,
the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly.

If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you
have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you
have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through
the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good
battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any
pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each
battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other)
and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that
bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without
any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still
have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in
pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah,
but will make charging what you have more efficient. If
all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the
plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do
this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every
couple of months.

I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds
to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a
battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's
unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at
the same time, but I guess it's possible...that' s why I'm leaning toward
the
bad battery or battery monitor problem.

It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when
fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp
meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off,
both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure
others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong
and set us straight.

Good luck,
Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

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From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> com
<mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> >
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same
engin? My problem is
having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I
get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is
abb,50% empty!!
Pls explain how youi manage with this.
SM223 Fortuna
Iv

____________ _________ _________ __
De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28
Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi, John, et al,
I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt
winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef"
the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out
of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally
rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the
wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was
fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be
slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming
waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's
figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of
the boat?

Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
"Kristy"





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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Eric Freedman
 

Eric,

I purchased one of those load testers to test my last set of batteries.
Most tested very good. However when I opened the batteries up many cells
were almost totally dry. I believe the battery load tester is not the thing
to use for deep cycle batteries as they are developed for starting
batteries. I had a crewmember on board who spent 11 years in a submarine.
They use deep cycle batteries. He said they only is to use a hydrometer on
wet cell deep cycle batteries.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lindholm
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:50 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"





I use a commercial battery tester. It puts a load on the battery and you get
the result in about 10 seconds. Very accurate. You are supposed to check the
battery when it is fully charged, but you can get an accurate assessment
even when it isn't. It will tell you if the battery is in good shape, fair
or bad. Can be used on 6 volt or 12 volt systems. In addition it will also
check your charging system. They are about $50 and the size of half a loaf
of bread.

Eric Mamaru 105

________________________________
From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@ <mailto:jean.boucharlat%40orange.fr>
orange.fr>
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 2:20:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"


Iv and Eric,

Yes indeed you can measure batteries with a hydrometer assuming that they
are not gel type or any other kind of so-called sealed batteries (although
some of those can actually be opened).

Jean Boucharlat

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kimberlite
Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 20:20
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Iv,

You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> ] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Iv,

I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the
advice given to you by Kent is sound.

I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw
up the whole bank.

The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite
simple:

First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that
12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V)

1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank

2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach
approximately 25.4 or 25.5V.

3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current
draw on them)

4 – measure their voltage after the rest period

5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good
one

6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually
probably much lower) that pair has a problem.

Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same
procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to
find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong).

This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform.

All the best,

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtow ners@
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Kent Robertson
Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi, Iv,
Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning
fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone
else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in.

My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP
of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand.

I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only
being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster
than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only
40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88%
charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up.
Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged
using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day
with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v
after a discharge of 80 or more Ah.

The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a
reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's
programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge,
it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the
monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the
charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only
charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch
the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should
show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp
charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are
discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are
charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or
less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the
monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may
not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating,
the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the
batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment
(a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps,
the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly.

If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you
have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you
have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through
the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good
battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any
pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each
battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other)
and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that
bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without
any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still
have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in
pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah,
but will make charging what you have more efficient. If
all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the
plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do
this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every
couple of months.

I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds
to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a
battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's
unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at
the same time, but I guess it's possible...that' s why I'm leaning toward
the
bad battery or battery monitor problem.

It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when
fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp
meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off,
both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure
others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong
and set us straight.

Good luck,
Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> com
<mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> >
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same
engin? My problem is
having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I
get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is
abb,50% empty!!
Pls explain how youi manage with this.
SM223 Fortuna
Iv

____________ _________ _________ __
De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28
Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi, John, et al,
I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt
winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef"
the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out
of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally
rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the
wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was
fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be
slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming
waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's
figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of
the boat?

Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
"Kristy"

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Batteries

Eric Freedman
 

Jean,

Both the “sealed batteries” provided by Amel and their replacements can be
opened and have water added .

You can also test them with a hydrometer.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"





Iv and Eric,

Yes indeed you can measure batteries with a hydrometer assuming that they
are not gel type or any other kind of so-called sealed batteries (although
some of those can actually be opened).

Jean Boucharlat

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kimberlite
Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 20:20
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Iv,

You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Iv,

I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the
advice given to you by Kent is sound.

I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw
up the whole bank.

The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite
simple:

First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that
12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V)

1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank

2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach
approximately 25.4 or 25.5V.

3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current
draw on them)

4 – measure their voltage after the rest period

5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good
one

6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually
probably much lower) that pair has a problem.

Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same
procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to
find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong).

This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform.

All the best,

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kent Robertson
Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi, Iv,
Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning
fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone
else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in.

My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP
of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand.

I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only
being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster
than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only
40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88%
charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up.
Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged
using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day
with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v
after a discharge of 80 or more Ah.

The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a
reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's
programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge,
it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the
monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the
charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only
charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch
the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should
show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp
charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are
discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are
charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or
less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the
monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may
not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating,
the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the
batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment
(a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps,
the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly.

If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you
have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you
have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through
the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good
battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any
pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each
battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other)
and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that
bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without
any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still
have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in
pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah,
but will make charging what you have more efficient. If
all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the
plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do
this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every
couple of months.

I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds
to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a
battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's
unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at
the same time, but I guess it's possible...that's why I'm leaning toward the
bad battery or battery monitor problem.

It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when
fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp
meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off,
both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure
others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong
and set us straight.

Good luck,
Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

________________________________
From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> com
<mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> >
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same
engin? My problem is
having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I
get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is
abb,50% empty!!
Pls explain how youi manage with this.
SM223 Fortuna
Iv

____________ _________ _________ __
De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28
Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi, John, et al,
I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt
winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef"
the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out
of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally
rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the
wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was
fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be
slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming
waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's
figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of
the boat?

Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
"Kristy"



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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Howard Berger
 

This is going to sound really petty and I'm sure I'm going to catch a lot of flak for saying this, but can we please start a new thread for this topic? It's making me crazy every time I see, "Hoving To". The correct expression is "Heaving To". One "Heaves To" and then is said to be "Hove To" after the maneuver is accomplished.

Howard Berger
s/v JAZZ Maramu 144

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: etlindholm@sbcglobal.net
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:49:35 -0800
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"




























I use a commercial battery tester. It puts a load on the battery and you get the result in about 10 seconds. Very accurate. You are supposed to check the battery when it is fully charged, but you can get an accurate assessment even when it isn't. It will tell you if the battery is in good shape, fair or bad. Can be used on 6 volt or 12 volt systems. In addition it will also check your charging system. They are about $50 and the size of half a loaf of bread.



Eric Mamaru 105



________________________________

From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@orange.fr>

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 2:20:28 AM

Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"





Iv and Eric,



Yes indeed you can measure batteries with a hydrometer assuming that they

are not gel type or any other kind of so-called sealed batteries (although

some of those can actually be opened).



Jean Boucharlat



From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kimberlite

Sent: vendredi 5 fvrier 2010 20:20

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"



Iv,



You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer.



Fair Winds



Eric



Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



_____



From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> ] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat

Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM

To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"



Iv,



Ive had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the

advice given to you by Kent is sound.



I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw

up the whole bank.



The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite

simple:



First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that

12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V)



1 disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank



2 charge each pair separately for X minutes or hours until they reach

approximately 25.4 or 25.5V.



3 keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current

draw on them)



4 measure their voltage after the rest period



5 if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good

one



6 if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually

probably much lower) that pair has a problem.



Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same

procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to

find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong).



This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform.



All the best,



Jean Boucharlat



Formerly SM 232



From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtow ners@

<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of

Kent Robertson

Sent: vendredi 5 fvrier 2010 02:17

To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"



Hi, Iv,

Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning

fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone

else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in.



My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP

of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand.



I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only

being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster

than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only

40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88%

charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up.

Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged

using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day

with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v

after a discharge of 80 or more Ah.



The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a

reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's

programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge,

it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the

monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the

charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only

charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch

the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should

show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp

charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are

discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are

charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or

less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the

monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may

not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating,

the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the

batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment

(a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps,

the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly.



If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you

have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you

have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through

the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good

battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any

pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each

battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other)

and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that

bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without

any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still

have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in

pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah,

but will make charging what you have more efficient. If

all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the

plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do

this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every

couple of months.



I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds

to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a

battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's

unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at

the same time, but I guess it's possible...that' s why I'm leaning toward the

bad battery or battery monitor problem.



It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when

fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp

meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off,

both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure

others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong

and set us straight.



Good luck,

Kent

S/V Kristy

SM 243



____________ _________ _________ __

From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> com

<mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> >

To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>

Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"



Hi ,Kent,

I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same

engin? My problem is

having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I

get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is

abb,50% empty!!

Pls explain how youi manage with this.

SM223 Fortuna

Iv



____________ _________ _________ __

De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>

Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com

Enviado: sb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28

Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"



Hi, John, et al,

I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt

winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef"

the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out

of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally

rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the

wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was

fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be

slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming

waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's

figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of

the boat?



Thanks,

Kent

SM 243

"Kristy"



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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@...>
 

I use a commercial battery tester. It puts a load on the battery and you get the result in about 10 seconds. Very accurate. You are supposed to check the battery when it is fully charged, but you can get an accurate assessment even when it isn't. It will tell you if the battery is in good shape, fair or bad. Can be used on 6 volt or 12 volt systems. In addition it will also check your charging system. They are about $50 and the size of half a loaf of bread.

Eric Mamaru 105




________________________________
From: Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@orange.fr>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 2:20:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

 
Iv and Eric,

Yes indeed you can measure batteries with a hydrometer assuming that they
are not gel type or any other kind of so-called sealed batteries (although
some of those can actually be opened).

Jean Boucharlat

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of kimberlite
Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 20:20
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Iv,

You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> ] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Iv,

I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the
advice given to you by Kent is sound.

I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw
up the whole bank.

The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite
simple:

First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that
12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V)

1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank

2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach
approximately 25.4 or 25.5V.

3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current
draw on them)

4 – measure their voltage after the rest period

5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good
one

6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually
probably much lower) that pair has a problem.

Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same
procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to
find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong).

This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform.

All the best,

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com [mailto:amelyachtow ners@
<mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Kent Robertson
Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi, Iv,
Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning
fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone
else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in.

My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP
of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand.

I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only
being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster
than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only
40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88%
charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up.
Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged
using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day
with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v
after a discharge of 80 or more Ah.

The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a
reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's
programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge,
it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the
monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the
charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only
charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch
the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should
show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp
charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are
discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are
charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or
less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the
monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may
not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating,
the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the
batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment
(a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps,
the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly.

If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you
have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you
have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through
the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good
battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any
pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each
battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other)
and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that
bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without
any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still
have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in
pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah,
but will make charging what you have more efficient. If
all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the
plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do
this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every
couple of months.

I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds
to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a
battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's
unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at
the same time, but I guess it's possible...that' s why I'm leaning toward the
bad battery or battery monitor problem.

It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when
fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp
meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off,
both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure
others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong
and set us straight.

Good luck,
Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> com
<mailto:iv_pepe% 40yahoo.com> >
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
yahoogroups. com <mailto:amelyachtow ners%40yahoogrou ps.com>
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same
engin? My problem is
having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I
get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is
abb,50% empty!!
Pls explain how youi manage with this.
SM223 Fortuna
Iv

____________ _________ _________ __
De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28
Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi, John, et al,
I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt
winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef"
the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out
of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally
rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the
wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was
fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be
slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming
waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's
figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of
the boat?

Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
"Kristy"

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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Jean Boucharlat
 

Iv and Eric,



Yes indeed you can measure batteries with a hydrometer assuming that they
are not gel type or any other kind of so-called sealed batteries (although
some of those can actually be opened).



Jean Boucharlat



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kimberlite
Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 20:20
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"





Iv,

You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Iv,

I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the
advice given to you by Kent is sound.

I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw
up the whole bank.

The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite
simple:

First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that
12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V)

1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank

2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach
approximately 25.4 or 25.5V.

3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current
draw on them)

4 – measure their voltage after the rest period

5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good
one

6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually
probably much lower) that pair has a problem.

Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same
procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to
find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong).

This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform.

All the best,

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kent Robertson
Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi, Iv,
Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning
fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone
else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in.

My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP
of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand.

I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only
being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster
than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only
40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88%
charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up.
Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged
using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day
with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v
after a discharge of 80 or more Ah.

The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a
reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's
programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge,
it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the
monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the
charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only
charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch
the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should
show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp
charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are
discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are
charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or
less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the
monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may
not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating,
the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the
batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment
(a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps,
the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly.

If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you
have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you
have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through
the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good
battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any
pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each
battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other)
and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that
bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without
any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still
have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in
pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah,
but will make charging what you have more efficient. If
all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the
plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do
this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every
couple of months.

I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds
to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a
battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's
unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at
the same time, but I guess it's possible...that's why I'm leaning toward the
bad battery or battery monitor problem.

It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when
fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp
meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off,
both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure
others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong
and set us straight.

Good luck,
Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

________________________________
From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> com
<mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> >
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same
engin? My problem is
having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I
get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is
abb,50% empty!!
Pls explain how youi manage with this.
SM223 Fortuna
Iv

____________ _________ _________ __
De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28
Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi, John, et al,
I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt
winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef"
the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out
of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally
rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the
wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was
fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be
slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming
waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's
figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of
the boat?

Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
"Kristy"

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Re: [Amel] Rack and Pinion

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Eric, I may have it on the boat and will be there next week--however, the cost I paid included acquiring and replacing the two cables as well as the rack and pinion so it may not be helpful. Cheers, Ian Pen Azen SM 302

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: kimberlite@optonline.net
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 21:31:20 -0500
Subject: RE: [Amel] Rack and Pinion

Hi Ian,

Do you recall the approximate cost of the repair?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian & Judy Jenkins
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] Rack and Pinion






Hi Eric, I had a problem , not with my rack and pinion, but with a broken
cable--once on a Sharki about 16 years ago and the second time on Pen Azen a
year ago. The broken cable didn't stop us sailing about 2,300 miles till we
got to Guadeloupe to replace it. At the same time the guys in Guadeloupe
replaced the rack and pinion--the boat was then 9 years old with about
40,000 miles on the clock. It was not a difficult job except for separating
the steering wheel which took a lot of force and care. Cheers, Ian and Judy,
Pen Azen, SM 302, Hamble

To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
From: kimberlite@optonlin <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> e.net
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 05:28:41 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Rack and Pinion

I believe I have a bad steering rack and pinion.
has anyone had problems with this on their super maramu?
Fair winds
eric
sm 376 Kimberlite



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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Eric Freedman
 

Iv,

You can also charge the batteries and measure them with a hydrometer.



Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean Boucharlat
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"





Iv,

I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the
advice given to you by Kent is sound.

I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw
up the whole bank.

The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite
simple:

First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that
12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V)

1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank

2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach
approximately 25.4 or 25.5V.

3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current
draw on them)

4 – measure their voltage after the rest period

5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good
one

6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually
probably much lower) that pair has a problem.

Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same
procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to
find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong).

This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform.

All the best,

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

From: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kent Robertson
Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi, Iv,
Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning
fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone
else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in.

My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP
of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand.

I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only
being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster
than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only
40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88%
charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up.
Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged
using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day
with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v
after a discharge of 80 or more Ah.

The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a
reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's
programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge,
it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the
monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the
charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only
charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch
the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should
show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp
charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are
discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are
charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or
less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the
monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may
not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating,
the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the
batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment
(a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps,
the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly.

If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you
have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you
have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through
the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good
battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any
pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each
battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other)
and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that
bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without
any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still
have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in
pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah,
but will make charging what you have more efficient. If
all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the
plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do
this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every
couple of months.

I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds
to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a
battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's
unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at
the same time, but I guess it's possible...that's why I'm leaning toward the
bad battery or battery monitor problem.

It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when
fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp
meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off,
both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure
others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong
and set us straight.

Good luck,
Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

________________________________
From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. <mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> com
<mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> >
To: amelyachtowners@ <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same
engin? My problem is
having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I
get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is
abb,50% empty!!
Pls explain how youi manage with this.
SM223 Fortuna
Iv

____________ _________ _________ __
De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28
Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi, John, et al,
I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt
winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef"
the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out
of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally
rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the
wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was
fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be
slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming
waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's
figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of
the boat?

Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
"Kristy"

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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Jean Boucharlat
 

Iv,



I’ve had a similar problem to yours and, from experience, can tell you the advice given to you by Kent is sound.

I will emphasize just one thing: it takes only a single bad battery to screw up the whole bank.

The procedure to find out which is the bad battery is tedious but quite simple:



First: find out which group of two batteries is the problem (you know that 12V batteries are paired to obtain 24V)

1 – disconnect all pairs of batteries from the rest of the bank

2 – charge each pair separately for “X” minutes or hours until they reach approximately 25.4 or 25.5V.

3 – keep the charged pairs idle for about 15 to 20 min. (without any current draw on them)

4 – measure their voltage after the rest period

5 – if voltage is still over approximately 25.2 or 25.3 the pair is a good one

6 – if the voltage has fallen down to any value under 23V. (actually probably much lower) that pair has a problem.



Second: now that you have identified the problematic pair(s) you do the same procedure (using a 12V. charger) for each of the batteries in the pair to find out which is the wrong one (they may be both wrong).



This is time consuming but really not difficult to perform.



All the best,



Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: vendredi 5 février 2010 02:17
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"





Hi, Iv,
Sorry to hear you're having problems. I'm no expert at this, but am learning fast. Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries. Anyone else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in.

My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22. It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand.

I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only being ~18 months old. It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only 40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88% charge). I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up. Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day. The voltage should still show 24v after a discharge of 80 or more Ah.

The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg. if it's programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge, it will show the bank at 75%. Make sure that the Ah programmed into the monitor is correct for your battery bank. Also, it doesn't reset until the charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank. If you only charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again. If you watch the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are discharged by more than ~10%. This will diminish as the batteries are charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or less when fully charged. If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the
monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may not be functioning properly. If you have any electrical equipment operating, the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment (a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps, the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly.

If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two. When you have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good battery. After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series. Any pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other) and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other. If so, that bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still have. If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in pairs until you can replace the bad ones. It will decrease your total Ah, but will make charging what you have more efficient. If
all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the plates. On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do this easily. See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every couple of months.

I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning. It's unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at the same time, but I guess it's possible...that's why I'm leaning toward the bad battery or battery monitor problem.

It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off, both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours. I'm sure others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong and set us straight.

Good luck,
Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

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From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo.com <mailto:iv_pepe%40yahoo.com> >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"


Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you my have the same engin? My problem is
having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!!
Pls explain how youi manage with this.
SM223 Fortuna
Iv

____________ _________ _________ __
De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28
Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"


Hi, John, et al,
I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas. We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas. With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts. When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick. It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat?

Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
"Kristy"

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Re: [Amel] Rack and Pinion

Eric Freedman
 

Hi Ian,

Do you recall the approximate cost of the repair?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian & Judy Jenkins
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] Rack and Pinion






Hi Eric, I had a problem , not with my rack and pinion, but with a broken
cable--once on a Sharki about 16 years ago and the second time on Pen Azen a
year ago. The broken cable didn't stop us sailing about 2,300 miles till we
got to Guadeloupe to replace it. At the same time the guys in Guadeloupe
replaced the rack and pinion--the boat was then 9 years old with about
40,000 miles on the clock. It was not a difficult job except for separating
the steering wheel which took a lot of force and care. Cheers, Ian and Judy,
Pen Azen, SM 302, Hamble

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From: kimberlite@optonlin <mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> e.net
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 05:28:41 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Rack and Pinion

I believe I have a bad steering rack and pinion.
has anyone had problems with this on their super maramu?
Fair winds
eric
sm 376 Kimberlite



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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

karkauai
 

Hi, Iv,
Sorry to hear you're having problems.  I'm no expert at this, but am learning fast.  Here's what I know from my experience with Kristy's batteries.  Anyone else out there that sees something wrong in what I say, please chime in.

My engine is the TMD22, not TAMD22.  It produces 78HP rather than the 105 HP of the TAMD, immaterial to the question at hand.

I have had problems with my batteries failing this winter in spite of only being ~18 months old.  It was obvious because the voltage dropped much faster than it should during discharge (It is a 320 Ah battery bank that after only 40Ah of discharge was down to 22V ...the MasterVolt monitor showed 88% charge).  I was charging for an hour 3-4 times a day to keep the voltage up.  Before my batteries started failing, I was able to keep them well charged using the Onan (or the Volvo when I was motoring) an hour or two twice a day with overall Ah use of 140-150 Ah per day.  The voltage should still show 24v after a discharge of 80 or more Ah.

The "percent" charge shown on the Mastervolt battery monitor is just a reflection of the total Ah programmed into the monitor...eg.  if it's programmed for a 320 Ah battery bank, and you use 80 Ah after a full charge, it will show the bank at 75%.  Make sure that the Ah programmed into the monitor is correct for your battery bank.  Also, it doesn't reset until the charge reaches close to 100% of the preset Ah of the bank.  If you only charge to 95% it won't reset to start counting Ah used again.  If you watch the A monitor while charging with all electrical equipment off, it should show + Amperage equal or nearly equal to your chargers capacity (ie a 50 amp charger should show close to 50A on the monitor) when the batteries are discharged by more than ~10%.  This will diminish as the batteries are charged more fully (as regulated by your charger) until it's only an amp or less when fully charged.  If you are charging with a 50amp charger and the
monitor shows only 20 amps early in the charging process, your charger may not be functioning properly.  If you have any electrical equipment operating, the Amperage shown on the monitor will be the Amperage going into the batteries (a positive value) less the Amperage being used by the equipment (a negative value)...so if you're using 10 amps and charging with 50 amps, the Amp monitor will show 40 amps if everything is working properly.

If your voltage drops below 24v after only 75Ah of discharge (assuming you have a total bank of 320 Ah), you may have a bad battery or two.   When you have a bad battery, it draws current during charging that is passed through the good battery with which it is in series, decreasing the life of the good battery.  After a full charge, check the voltage of each pair in series.  Any pair that is lower than the pair with the highest voltage, check each battery individually (disconnect the pair from the rest and from each other) and see if one is significantly lower voltage than the other.  If so, that bad battery is causing charging voltage to flow thru the good ones without any positive effect, and will decrease the life of the good ones you still have.  If you have two bad ones, disconnect them and put the good ones in pairs until you can replace the bad ones.  It will decrease your total Ah, but will make charging what you have more efficient.  If
all batteries seem to be OK, consider "equalizing" them to get desulfate the plates.  On Kristy, my Heart Interface charger/inverter can be used to do this easily.  See earlier posts about "equalizing" your batteries every couple of months.

I hope I'm not just rattling on with stuff you already know, but it sounds to me like either you have a bad charger, one or more bad batteries, or a battery monitor that is either misprogrammed or malfunctioning.  It's unlikely that both your generator charger and your alternator are broken at the same time, but I guess it's possible...that's why I'm leaning toward the bad battery or battery monitor problem.

It would help to know what Ah your battery bank is, what the voltage is when fully charged and after 25% of the Ah capacity is discharged, what the Amp meter reads during charging when all electrical equipment is turned off, both early and after the charger has been on for a couple of hours.  I'm sure others are much more knowlegable than I am...please tell us where I'm wrong and set us straight.

Good luck,
Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243



________________________________
From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:20:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

 
Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you  my have the same engin? My problem is
having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!!
Pls explain how youi manage with this.
SM223 Fortuna
Iv

____________ _________ _________ __
De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28
Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

 
Hi, John, et al,
I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas.  We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas.  With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts.  When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick.  It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat?
 
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
"Kristy"

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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

richard03801@...
 

We are not on the boat this week when back I will email the instructions on setting the meter when you've got a full charge.
Be very careful what you lust for when you get over 60 amps you need to start thinking about using two drive belts, two new pulleys on both crank and alternator.
We charge for several hours until we get to 26-27 volts. And do it twice a day at sea with everything running.
Hope this helps
Regards and fair winds
Richard and Joan on Challenge SM 209
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From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 21:55:29
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi, RIchard,

Iv the Amel meter go to 300 remaining I charg in a 35-40 min abb, to get 30-35A more.Iv the voltige gets 24V how long you charge?  Rey is a Dolfin I thing?
Im thincing to instal a 150A alternator and 80 or 100A battery charge
SM223 Fortuna
Iv



________________________________
De: "richard03801@yahoo.com" <richard03801@yahoo.com>
Para: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: jue,4 febrero, 2010 13:31
Asunto: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

 
Pepe how are you determining your power remaining in your batteries. We find that the Amel meter is not 100% accurte we keep an eye on the Voltage meter when it gets to 24 volts we charge. Using the gen set by way of an 80 amp Rey charger.
Good luck
Richard SM 209
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-----Original Message-----
From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. com>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:20:06
To: <amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you  my have the same engin? My problem is
having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!!
Pls explain how youi manage with this.
SM223 Fortuna
Iv




________________________________
De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28
Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

 
Hi, John, et al,
I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas.  We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas.  With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts.  When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick.  It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat?
 
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
"Kristy"


Re: [Amel] Rack and Pinion

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Eric, I had a problem , not with my rack and pinion, but with a broken cable--once on a Sharki about 16 years ago and the second time on Pen Azen a year ago. The broken cable didn't stop us sailing about 2,300 miles till we got to Guadeloupe to replace it. At the same time the guys in Guadeloupe replaced the rack and pinion--the boat was then 9 years old with about 40,000 miles on the clock. It was not a difficult job except for separating the steering wheel which took a lot of force and care. Cheers, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hamble

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: kimberlite@optonline.net
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 05:28:41 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Rack and Pinion

I believe I have a bad steering rack and pinion.
has anyone had problems with this on their super maramu?
Fair winds
eric
sm 376 Kimberlite



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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@...>
 

Hi, RIchard,

Iv the Amel meter go to 300 remaining I charg in a 35-40 min abb, to get 30-35A more.Iv the voltige gets 24V how long you charge?  Rey is a Dolfin I thing?
Im thincing to instal a 150A alternator and 80 or 100A battery charge
SM223 Fortuna
Iv



________________________________
De: "richard03801@yahoo.com" <richard03801@yahoo.com>
Para: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: jue,4 febrero, 2010 13:31
Asunto: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

 
Pepe how are you determining your power remaining in your batteries. We find that the Amel meter is not 100% accurte we keep an eye on the Voltage meter when it gets to 24 volts we charge. Using the gen set by way of an 80 amp Rey charger.
Good luck
Richard SM 209
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-----Original Message-----
From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo. com>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:20:06
To: <amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you  my have the same engin? My problem is
having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!!
Pls explain how youi manage with this.
SM223 Fortuna
Iv




____________ _________ _________ __
De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo. com>
Para: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28
Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

 
Hi, John, et al,
I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas.  We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas.  With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts.  When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick.  It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat?
 
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
"Kristy"

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Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

richard03801@...
 

Pepe how are you determining your power remaining in your batteries. We find that the Amel meter is not 100% accurte we keep an eye on the Voltage meter when it gets to 24 volts we charge. Using the gen set by way of an 80 amp Rey charger.
Good luck
Richard SM 209
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Iv Pepe <iv_pepe@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:20:06
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

Hi ,Kent,
I have a SM223 with 105hp tamd22 and 60A alternator,you  my have the same engin? My problem is
having a daily daily consumtiopn abb 150Ah, charging twice a day one hr.I get in batteries not more then 70 -75 A.After 3-4 days my batterie bank is abb,50% empty!!
Pls explain how youi manage with this.
SM223 Fortuna
Iv




________________________________
De: Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com>
Para: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: sáb,12 diciembre, 2009 06:28
Asunto: [Amel] the art of "hoving to"

 
Hi, John, et al,
I tried heaving-to while waiting to come into St Thomas.  We were in 25kt winds and 4-6 ft seas.  With the main and jib (135%) each at about 1 "reef" the motion was comfortable, but the bow kept dropping off and I sailed out of my "slick" at about 1.5kts.  When I brought out the mizzen and finally rolled up the jib completely she sat at the prescribed "50degrees" off the wind, but still made enough headway that I sailed out of the slick.  It was fine for the purpose this time, but if I understand correctly, I want to be slipping directly downwind to keep the slick between me and the oncoming waves if I'm in a breaking sea (a la the Pardee's).Anyone with an SM who's figured out how to do that without deploying a sea anchor off the side of the boat?
 
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
"Kristy"