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Re: [Amel] sheets for Maramu
Charles MacDonald <c.macdonald@...>
Many thanks. what is "height" quality? can you say it in French? Charles
On 24 Nov, 2013, at 3:20 PM, jlm@... wrote:
To have the best prices and height
quality go to SOUSSE in Tunisia.....
JLuc on CottonBay
Le 23/11/2013 06:26, cjhmac@... a
écrit :
Hi
Everyone,
I am a new member and have been looking at your posts
since last September. My boat is SM Inuit, a Maramu,
No. 253, 1988. She is berthed in Martigues, France (on
the Etang de Berre to be exact). I and Jean the
co-owner acquired it last October. Its mostly in top
condition, has been refitted and all, but during our
last trip to Barcelona, with around 30 knt winds, up
to 40 at times, the mainsail got ripped and has a
tear that forced us to furl it in. Generally the edges
of the genoa and mizzen are flapping furiously. There
are no batten. Is that common on Amel sails? What to
do about it? In any case we (myself and Jean the
co-owner) want to buy new ones. The ones we have are
definitely in need of early retirement. Actually we do
not know if they are original, but the previous owner
did not change them. The penultimate maybe? I have
been looking in this site to find a discussion about
sails and found some, but none that answers our
general question: what would be the best bet, to get
new sails through the Amel people in La Rochelle, or
find around Marseille a “master voilier” who would
tailor copy new sheets from the old ones? Put in
vertical batten, as was suggested by one of you? Nota:
we do have furlers on all sheets, genoa, mainsail and
mizzen, engine powdered on both the genoa and main.
Another question is : what material do you advise that
could be the best, what are the choices?
We would appreciate of course some advice. I am a
total beginner but Jean the co-owner and skipper is a
fairly experienced sailor. He doesn’t speak English
well, so I am trying to find the exact words in
nautical parlance, please bear with my ignorance. I
apologize for putting these questions awkwardly.
Fair winds to all,
Charles Macdonald & Jean Foulex
SM Inuit
Martigues
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Re: [Amel] RE: sheets for Maramu
Alan Leslie
Deme Voiles is not out of business http://www.deme-voiles.fr/pages/societe.asp?Textes_Versions=UK is the English language link to their site. Regarding roach.... Most (if not all ) in-mast furling mainsails have what is called a "hollow" leech. Imagine the triangle from the end of the boom to the top of the mast and down to the boom again...the sloping side of the triangle is slack, or concave...ie makes less than a triangle. With vertical battens the sloping side can be made at least straight, if not convex...i.e makes more than a triangle = more sail area aloft. You would think this may make a yacht heel more, but in fact the opposite is true..the yacht heels less and is quicker upwind because of the increased sail area. On my previous boat which had a standard mainsail setup, when we had a new mainsail made with maximum roach (to pass the backstay) the performance difference was astounding. On Elyse with our inner forestay staysail and vertical battened main and mizzen, we can point much higher than other Maramus...faster and more upright...superb ! ---In amelyachtowners@..., <c.macdonald@...> wrote: Many thanks. Can you tell us more about the roach? Excuse my ignorance... Charles
Deme Voiles are the Amel sailmaker......just put Deme Voiles in google and you will find them. We have new main and mizzen from DV with vertical battens and a slight roach in the leech. They perform very well. Furling the main it is important that the battens go in exactly parallel with the mast otherwise they could be bent and eventually broken. Trust this helps Alan SV Elyse SM437 ---In amelyachtowners@..., <cjhmac@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,
I am a new member and have been looking at your posts since last September. My boat is SM Inuit, a Maramu, No. 253, 1988. She is berthed in Martigues, France (on the Etang de Berre to be exact). I and Jean the co-owner acquired it last October. Its mostly in top condition, has been refitted and all, but during our last trip to Barcelona, with around 30 knt winds, up to 40 at times, the mainsail got ripped and has a tear that forced us to furl it in. Generally the edges of the genoa and mizzen are flapping furiously. There are no batten. Is that common on Amel sails? What to do about it? In any case we (myself and Jean the co-owner) want to buy new ones. The ones we have are definitely in need of early retirement. Actually we do not know if they are original, but the previous owner did not change them. The penultimate maybe? I have been looking in this site to find a discussion about sails and found some, but none that answers our general question: what would be the best bet, to get new sails through the Amel people in La Rochelle, or find around Marseille a “master voilier” who would tailor copy new sheets from the old ones? Put in vertical batten, as was suggested by one of you? Nota: we do have furlers on all sheets, genoa, mainsail and mizzen, engine powdered on both the genoa and main. Another question is : what material do you advise that could be the best, what are the choices?
We would appreciate of course some advice. I am a total beginner but Jean the co-owner and skipper is a fairly experienced sailor. He doesn’t speak English well, so I am trying to find the exact words in nautical parlance, please bear with my ignorance. I apologize for putting these questions awkwardly.
Fair winds to all,
Charles Macdonald & Jean Foulex
SM Inuit
Martigues
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Re: [Amel] RE: sheets for Maramu
Charles MacDonald <c.macdonald@...>
Many thanks. Can you tell us more about the roach? Excuse my ignorance... Charles
Deme Voiles are the Amel sailmaker......just put Deme Voiles in google and you will find them. We have new main and mizzen from DV with vertical battens and a slight roach in the leech. They perform very well. Furling the main it is important that the battens go in exactly parallel with the mast otherwise they could be bent and eventually broken. Trust this helps Alan SV Elyse SM437 ---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote: Hi Everyone,
I am a new member and have been looking at your posts since last September. My boat is SM Inuit, a Maramu, No. 253, 1988. She is berthed in Martigues, France (on the Etang de Berre to be exact). I and Jean the co-owner acquired it last October. Its mostly in top condition, has been refitted and all, but during our last trip to Barcelona, with around 30 knt winds, up to 40 at times, the mainsail got ripped and has a tear that forced us to furl it in. Generally the edges of the genoa and mizzen are flapping furiously. There are no batten. Is that common on Amel sails? What to do about it? In any case we (myself and Jean the co-owner) want to buy new ones. The ones we have are definitely in need of early retirement. Actually we do not know if they are original, but the previous owner did not change them. The penultimate maybe? I have been looking in this site to find a discussion about sails and found some, but none that answers our general question: what would be the best bet, to get new sails through the Amel people in La Rochelle, or find around Marseille a “master voilier” who would tailor copy new sheets from the old ones? Put in vertical batten, as was suggested by one of you? Nota: we do have furlers on all sheets, genoa, mainsail and mizzen, engine powdered on both the genoa and main. Another question is : what material do you advise that could be the best, what are the choices?
We would appreciate of course some advice. I am a total beginner but Jean the co-owner and skipper is a fairly experienced sailor. He doesn’t speak English well, so I am trying to find the exact words in nautical parlance, please bear with my ignorance. I apologize for putting these questions awkwardly.
Fair winds to all,
Charles Macdonald & Jean Foulex
SM Inuit
Martigues
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Re: [Amel] RE: sheets for Maramu
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Charles Macdonald & Jean Foulex,
Deme Voiles is out of business, unless someone bought the assets and is using the name.
There is an excellent sailmaker for Amel's in Izmir, Turkey that ships worldwide...been in business for 25 years.
I purchased all 3 sails from him about 1 year ago. If you are in Turkey he can sell them excluding VAT.
Contact: Tahsin Oge Ogemar Sails & Marine Equipment Ltd.
Eski havaalanı cad. No: 188/3 A.O.S.B
35620 Cigli – Izmir / TURKEY
T: +90 232 3281629, +90 232 3281630
Deme Voiles are the Amel sailmaker......just put Deme Voiles in google and you will find them. We have new main and mizzen from DV with vertical battens and a slight roach in the leech. They perform very well.
Furling the main it is important that the battens go in exactly parallel with the mast otherwise they could be bent and eventually broken. Trust this helps Alan SV Elyse SM437
---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote: Hi Everyone,
I am a new member and have been looking at your posts since last September. My boat is SM Inuit, a Maramu, No. 253, 1988. She is berthed in Martigues, France (on the Etang de Berre to be exact). I and Jean the co-owner acquired it last October. Its mostly in top condition, has been refitted and all, but during our last trip to Barcelona, with around 30 knt winds, up to 40 at times, the mainsail got ripped and has a tear that forced us to furl it in. Generally the edges of the genoa and mizzen are flapping furiously. There are no batten. Is that common on Amel sails? What to do about it? In any case we (myself and Jean the co-owner) want to buy new ones. The ones we have are definitely in need of early retirement. Actually we do not know if they are original, but the previous owner did not change them. The penultimate maybe? I have been looking in this site to find a discussion about sails and found some, but none that answers our general question: what would be the best bet, to get new sails through the Amel people in La Rochelle, or find around Marseille a “master voilier” who would tailor copy new sheets from the old ones? Put in vertical batten, as was suggested by one of you? Nota: we do have furlers on all sheets, genoa, mainsail and mizzen, engine powdered on both the genoa and main. Another question is : what material do you advise that could be the best, what are the choices?
We would appreciate of course some advice. I am a total beginner but Jean the co-owner and skipper is a fairly experienced sailor. He doesn’t speak English well, so I am trying to find the exact words in nautical parlance, please bear with my ignorance. I apologize for putting these questions awkwardly.
Fair winds to all,
Charles Macdonald & Jean Foulex
SM Inuit
Martigues
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Re: [Amel] Climma Replacement Capacitors
Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
I just
bough more capacitors from the climma agent in the USA
The 2
amd 3.15mf cost about $10- and the 10mf cost $31-US
Fair
Winds
Eric
Amel
Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Anne and John Hollamby
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013
7:02 AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Climma
Replacement Capacitors
Climma is an Italian
company and years ago one of my a/c units stopped running because one of the 2
mfd motor start capacitors had failed. We were in Italy at the time and I found a
Climma agent who wanted €63 for a replacement capacitor. This was an outrageous
amount so I waited until we got to Majorca
where I found an independent a/c servicing agent and I asked him to find and
replace the capacitor. He did this very quickly and gave me a bill for €150
which included €65 for the replacement !!! So the solution is to go to an
electronics shop and buy a replacement for about €4 or 5. Ideally
it should have short lengths of wire with spade sockets on the ends but these
are harder to source so take the normal type and make up a couple of wires to
convert it. So far as I know there is no difference between start and run
capacitors.
While you are at it you
might wish to make a list of all the capacitors on the various motors on board
and get spares.
I once asked a
technician to test a capacitor for me and he told me it was defective but it
might still be part OK so I should always ensure that I put a screwdriver
across the terminals to short circuit it to make sure that it does not give you
a nasty shock. If you Google capacitor you will find lots of advice including how
to test a capacitor with a normal multimeter but this test probably would not
expose a part failed one.
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Re: [Amel] Climma Replacement Capacitors
Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
If you
want the capacitors to fit within the black shell you probably will need to get
them from a climma agent.
I was
able to fit an off the shelf 10 mf into one unit bt not the 40 or the 3 smaller
ones.
Fair
Winds
Eric
Amel
Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of andrew.lamb@...
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013
5:44 AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Climma Replacement
Capacitors
Apologies
as I know that this topic is covered elsewhere, but I am struggling to find the
topic in the forum. My forward climma units has stopped heating - I opened up
the control unit and found that one of the capacitors is spectacularly melted
to the extent that I am struggling to read its part number / specs. There is a
40mfd capacitor 450 V AC and then there is a smaller adjacent capacitor which
is the one destroyed (its contents are all over the 40MFD capacitor) looks like
it is a 450V ac - 10mfd. Does anyone know of a good place in Europe
to source replacements for these?
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Re: [Amel] Climma Replacement Capacitors
Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
You should
buy a capacitor tester. They are about $29-
The two big
capacitors are 40 an 10 mf
The smaller
ones are
2,2, and
3.15 mf.
I was
surprised to see how many bad capacitors in my aft and amidships cabin.
The amidships
had 4 bad capacitors either reading low or zero. Aft cabin has 3 bad ones. I haven’t
checked the forward cabin yet.
Fair
Winds
Eric
Amel
Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of andrew.lamb@...
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013
5:44 AM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Climma Replacement
Capacitors
Apologies
as I know that this topic is covered elsewhere, but I am struggling to find the
topic in the forum. My forward climma units has stopped heating - I opened up
the control unit and found that one of the capacitors is spectacularly melted
to the extent that I am struggling to read its part number / specs. There is a
40mfd capacitor 450 V AC and then there is a smaller adjacent capacitor which
is the one destroyed (its contents are all over the 40MFD capacitor) looks like
it is a 450V ac - 10mfd. Does anyone know of a good place in Europe
to source replacements for these?
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Re: [Amel] Spare parts and equipement
Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
Good to know! In bocc'a'lupo!
Stephanie DiBelardino
On Nov 24, 2013, at 12:08 PM, < contact@...> wrote:
Hello, we are specialized in the maintenance of Amel sailboats for many years. In addition
to various modifications or repairs we do, we want to offer to our customers an additional
service, the possibility to find spare parts that are no longer distributed by
Chantiers Amel. We also manufacture
parts that are no longer marketed. Séverine from Karinteam www.karinteam.com
---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote: Are you doing this as a stand-alone business, offering new equipment ? Or is this part of a service open to all Amel owners that have used equipment to buy, sell or trade?
Many thanks SM 2000 353 Indecent And Santorin dikenec nka Bianca ( for sale) Both lying Stuart, FL
Stephanie DiBelardino
Hello,
we are trying to set up a website for only selling equipment and other spare parts for sailboats Amel.
To help us to better respond to your needs, do not hesitate to tell us the list of products you are looking for first. Thanks for any help you can provide Fair winds Séverine Vargas Giiles Le Moulec www.karinteam.com
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Kelly should be keel. Aggressive spell checker.... Joel F. Potter 954 812 2485 iPhone
On Nov 24, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Joel < jfpottercys@...> wrote:
Depends.... Best Joel F. Potters remove all coatings to bright metal and first coat of epoxy or primer within minutes. Read and follow the instructions to the letter with no fudge factor. I can do a Kelly in two days if I am at ready when they blast off coatings. Usually do one side and then have the other side blasted so to have time to get the coatings on in the time frame. Plan ahead. Read the instructions. Follow them. 954 812 2485 iPhone
Joel: Thank you for the info. Q: What is my time frame to re-do this? 1 day? 1 week? 1 month? We are in a bit of a fix here in the BVI and if we must do this immediately I must find a place to haul and do the work while we stay somewhere here on Tortola.
Thank you,
Curt Epperson
sail2live@...
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Joel wrote:
>
> Colin Richardsons boat. Sold it to him.
> Short answer, bad news. ALL the coatings will eventually come off the iron because of waiting too long between shooting the iron clean and bright to putting on the sealer epoxy. This time frame is measured in minutes not hours. The metal soon oxidizes at the micro level and once started
> RUST NEVER SLEEPS. Don't believe this? Read the instructions on the products container. All must come off and be done correctly again. Don't shoot the messenger....
> Joel F. Potter
> Amel guy for AMERICA
> 954 812 2485
> iPhone
>
> On Nov 24, 2013, at 10:02 AM, "curtepp" wrote:
>
> > From: Curt & Mary Epperson
> >
> > My wife and I are new Amel owners. We purchased a 1987 Maramu (Languedoc) in May and are now on our first cruise, in the BVI.
> >
> > The boat had a gel-coat peel and epoxy job a few years ago and the hull is in excellent shape. The only item for repair called by the surveyor was some rust at the hull to ballast joint.
> >
> > The boat was stored on the hard at Nanny Cay for June-Oct. Prior to launch we contracted for some repairs and for bottom paint. The repairs were to remove the rust at the joint between the iron ballast and the fiberglass hull, then fill with epoxy and fair before the Micron went on. We hired a "manager" to supervise the work.
> >
> > By the time we arrive at Nanny Cay last Tuesday, most of the rust repair was done. I was only able to see the work after dusk. It looked like the entire iron ballast has been sanded to bare metal but it too dark to tell for sure. So I went to bed and got up early the next morning to inspect the job before the Micron went on. But by 7:00 am the painter had already applied the first coat of Micron.
> >
> > When she finished, the bottom looked real nice, as expected. We launched the next day.
> >
> > Within a couple days, rust started to appear on the ballast, coming through the Micron. Now, the rust has spread and is present on both sides. I suspect primer or epoxy was not applied before the Micron went on but of course I do not know for sure. In any event, it is not right.
> >
> > We are headed to Puerto Rico in two weeks. We can haul out for storage for a couple months there until we return in March for a longer cruise. That would allow us to do the work right ourselves. Or, we can get an immediate haul out here on Tortola and get an immediate fix if that is prudent. We just do not know how bad or urgent a problem this is, having never owned a boat with anything other than a lead keel.
> >
> > Can anyone give us some advice? We have good internet service today and we are hanging out on Tortola just in case we need to act quickly to forestall a serious problem
> >
> > Thanks so much for whatever advice anyone can offer.
> >
> > BTW: We love the boat and have already had some very nice sailing.
> >
> > Curt Epperson
> > S/V Languedoc
> > 1987 Maramu
> > 284 546 1162
> >
> >
>
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Depends.... Best Joel F. Potters remove all coatings to bright metal and first coat of epoxy or primer within minutes. Read and follow the instructions to the letter with no fudge factor. I can do a Kelly in two days if I am at ready when they blast off coatings. Usually do one side and then have the other side blasted so to have time to get the coatings on in the time frame. Plan ahead. Read the instructions. Follow them. 954 812 2485 iPhone
On Nov 24, 2013, at 12:37 PM, "curtepp" < sail2live@...> wrote:
Joel: Thank you for the info. Q: What is my time frame to re-do this? 1 day? 1 week? 1 month? We are in a bit of a fix here in the BVI and if we must do this immediately I must find a place to haul and do the work while we stay somewhere here on Tortola.
Thank you,
Curt Epperson
sail2live@...
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Joel wrote:
>
> Colin Richardsons boat. Sold it to him.
> Short answer, bad news. ALL the coatings will eventually come off the iron because of waiting too long between shooting the iron clean and bright to putting on the sealer epoxy. This time frame is measured in minutes not hours. The metal soon oxidizes at the micro level and once started
> RUST NEVER SLEEPS. Don't believe this? Read the instructions on the products container. All must come off and be done correctly again. Don't shoot the messenger....
> Joel F. Potter
> Amel guy for AMERICA
> 954 812 2485
> iPhone
>
> On Nov 24, 2013, at 10:02 AM, "curtepp" wrote:
>
> > From: Curt & Mary Epperson
> >
> > My wife and I are new Amel owners. We purchased a 1987 Maramu (Languedoc) in May and are now on our first cruise, in the BVI.
> >
> > The boat had a gel-coat peel and epoxy job a few years ago and the hull is in excellent shape. The only item for repair called by the surveyor was some rust at the hull to ballast joint.
> >
> > The boat was stored on the hard at Nanny Cay for June-Oct. Prior to launch we contracted for some repairs and for bottom paint. The repairs were to remove the rust at the joint between the iron ballast and the fiberglass hull, then fill with epoxy and fair before the Micron went on. We hired a "manager" to supervise the work.
> >
> > By the time we arrive at Nanny Cay last Tuesday, most of the rust repair was done. I was only able to see the work after dusk. It looked like the entire iron ballast has been sanded to bare metal but it too dark to tell for sure. So I went to bed and got up early the next morning to inspect the job before the Micron went on. But by 7:00 am the painter had already applied the first coat of Micron.
> >
> > When she finished, the bottom looked real nice, as expected. We launched the next day.
> >
> > Within a couple days, rust started to appear on the ballast, coming through the Micron. Now, the rust has spread and is present on both sides. I suspect primer or epoxy was not applied before the Micron went on but of course I do not know for sure. In any event, it is not right.
> >
> > We are headed to Puerto Rico in two weeks. We can haul out for storage for a couple months there until we return in March for a longer cruise. That would allow us to do the work right ourselves. Or, we can get an immediate haul out here on Tortola and get an immediate fix if that is prudent. We just do not know how bad or urgent a problem this is, having never owned a boat with anything other than a lead keel.
> >
> > Can anyone give us some advice? We have good internet service today and we are hanging out on Tortola just in case we need to act quickly to forestall a serious problem
> >
> > Thanks so much for whatever advice anyone can offer.
> >
> > BTW: We love the boat and have already had some very nice sailing.
> >
> > Curt Epperson
> > S/V Languedoc
> > 1987 Maramu
> > 284 546 1162
> >
> >
>
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Alan Leslie
Deme Voiles are the Amel sailmaker......just put Deme Voiles in google and you will find them. We have new main and mizzen from DV with vertical battens and a slight roach in the leech. They perform very well. Furling the main it is important that the battens go in exactly parallel with the mast otherwise they could be bent and eventually broken. Trust this helps Alan SV Elyse SM437 ---In amelyachtowners@..., <cjhmac@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,
I am a new member and have been looking at your posts since last September. My boat is SM Inuit, a Maramu, No. 253, 1988. She is berthed in Martigues, France (on the Etang de Berre to be exact). I and Jean the co-owner acquired it last October. Its mostly in top condition, has been refitted and all, but during our last trip to Barcelona, with around 30 knt winds, up to 40 at times, the mainsail got ripped and has a tear that forced us to furl it in. Generally the edges of the genoa and mizzen are flapping furiously. There are no batten. Is that common on Amel sails? What to do about it? In any case we (myself and Jean the co-owner) want to buy new ones. The ones we have are definitely in need of early retirement. Actually we do not know if they are original, but the previous owner did not change them. The penultimate maybe? I have been looking in this site to find a discussion about sails and found some, but none that answers our general question: what would be the best bet, to get new sails through the Amel people in La Rochelle, or find around Marseille a “master voilier” who would tailor copy new sheets from the old ones? Put in vertical batten, as was suggested by one of you? Nota: we do have furlers on all sheets, genoa, mainsail and mizzen, engine powdered on both the genoa and main. Another question is : what material do you advise that could be the best, what are the choices?
We would appreciate of course some advice. I am a total beginner but Jean the co-owner and skipper is a fairly experienced sailor. He doesn’t speak English well, so I am trying to find the exact words in nautical parlance, please bear with my ignorance. I apologize for putting these questions awkwardly.
Fair winds to all,
Charles Macdonald & Jean Foulex
SM Inuit
Martigues
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Re: [Amel] wind generator on Mizzen Mast...options.
Nice et merci
Jean luc
Le 24/11/2013 19:28, Danny and Yvonne
SIMMS a écrit :
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Show quoted text
Hi Jean Luc,
I am away at the moment will post some when I
get back. There may be some there from before but Im
not sure.
Regards
Danny
He
Danny, I am interest in your
experience, Did you or can you post
some photos ? Merci,
Jean Luc on CottonBay Le 24/11/2013
08:21, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS a écrit :
H Eric. We have a Super
Wind 350 mounted on top of the
mizzen and has been there for
4 years. Excellent in every
respect. The Super Wind is
very quiet in operation anyway
but we just never hear it.
Absolutely no vibration, also
it is worth the extra cost
because it is self feathering
and very robust so there is no
concern no matter how high the
wind goes. It has an off
switch if you need to turn it
off and with the switch off it
turns very slowly. However I
have never turned it off
because of wind strength.
Hope this helps.
Danny,
SM 299 Ocean Pearl.
Back in NZ after 4300
miles to and from and through
Fiji, Vanuatu and New
Caledonia
Just looking for
opinions on a Wind
Generator on top of
Mizzen mast.
I have a Santorin
Ketch with the Amp
Air Midway on the
mizzen. Haven't
tried to get it to
work yet, but i am
pretty sure it is
all set up and ready
to go.
The previous owner
had the wind bugger
but didn't use it -
it is not hooked up
but is mounted to a
pole on the stern.
This set up
completely scares me
as it really isn't
that far from a
persons head (that
and the fact that is
an older unit).
I used to have
the fourwinds on my
cheoy lee and it
produced light wind.
I just purchased a
barely used four
winds with all the
extras for $500.
I plan to
mount this at the
very top of the
mizzen.
So the question is:
Does anybody else
have a wind
generator mounted at
the top of the
mizzen? What has
been your experience
with output? Any
Vibration issues and
how did you deal
with them? Do you
feel it puts too
much stress on the
mast? I would
imagine the that
having it spin while
the boat is underway
produces to much
stress on the mast
and maybe the unit
itself- is that your
experience as well?
I know there
are plenty of owners
on here whom don't
believe in wind
generators and use
their diesel daily,
which if probably a
must for a SM.
thanks.
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Hi Curt, I have had this rust problem along that join all the time I have owned Ocean Pearl.. I have had good specialist paints applied but always, eventually it starts again. Last week I had a specialist in electrolysis on the boat to check my systems which were all good. However he told me of various causes of corrosion. One being "crevice corrosion". When you have a join such as the cast iron to fiberglass there is a small crevice, no matter how tight it is joined. Some water gets in and becomes acidic, and bingo you have crevice corrosion. The solution, to seal the join. He thoiught Sika would do it but may not because it is not totally water proof. Silicone would do, bot paint will not adhere. Interestingly he told me that when you paint your propellor with prop speed, because propspeed is silicone and totally impervious
to water AND elctricity, the amout of metal your zinc anodes are prorecting is reduced by the area covered with prop speed. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
From: curtepp To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2013 4:02 AM
Subject: [Amel] rust on keel
From: Curt & Mary Epperson
My wife and I are new Amel owners. We purchased a 1987 Maramu (Languedoc) in May and are now on our first cruise, in the BVI.
The boat had a gel-coat peel and epoxy job a few years ago and the hull is in excellent shape. The only item for repair called by the surveyor was some rust at the hull to ballast joint.
The boat was stored on the hard at Nanny Cay for June-Oct. Prior to launch we contracted for some repairs and for bottom paint. The repairs were to remove the rust at the joint between the iron ballast and the fiberglass hull, then fill with epoxy and fair before the Micron went on. We hired a "manager" to supervise the work.
By the time we arrive at Nanny Cay last Tuesday, most of the rust repair was done. I was only able to see the work after dusk. It looked like the entire iron ballast has been sanded to bare metal but it too dark to tell for sure. So I went to bed and got up early the next morning to inspect the job before the Micron went on. But by 7:00 am the painter had already applied the first coat of Micron.
When she finished, the bottom looked real nice, as expected. We launched the next day.
Within a couple days, rust started to appear on the ballast, coming through the Micron. Now, the rust has spread and is present on both sides. I suspect primer or epoxy was not applied before the Micron went on but of course I do not know for sure. In any event, it is not right.
We are headed to Puerto Rico in two weeks. We can haul out for storage for a couple months there until we return in March for a longer cruise. That would allow us to do the work right ourselves. Or, we can get an immediate haul out here on Tortola and get an immediate fix if that is prudent. We just do not know how bad or urgent a problem this is, having never owned a boat with anything other than a lead keel.
Can anyone give us some advice? We have good internet service today and we are hanging out on Tortola just in case we need to act quickly to forestall a serious problem
Thanks so much for whatever advice anyone can offer.
BTW: We love the boat and have already had some very nice sailing.
Curt Epperson
S/V Languedoc
1987 Maramu
284 546 1162
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Re: [Amel] Spare parts and equipement
Siviero Attilio <attilio.siviero@...>
Hi every Amel owner, not to advertise, but to tell what is really true, according to my experience, Karinteam changed all pvc internal lining of my Santorin in Cagliari, during December 2009, and since they finished earlier than expected, also with my sporadic inspections, they found other things to be done, as complete care of hull, manually removing all old antifouling layers, preparing properly the surface and putting a good primer, changing some other minor damaged parts, etc. They know Amels better than many owners.
I never had to complain about their work, no defects.
Hope to meet them again, maybe in Greece (Messolonghi is full of Amel boats), and I recommend warmly them if they are available for ANY work on our Amels, as I recommend Mauro Azzalini in Monfalcone IT for all works needing a general purpose workshop.
Fair winds
Attilio & Maria Siviero Amel Santorin#84 "Sisila"
Hello, we are specialized in the maintenance of Amel sailboats for many years. In addition to various modifications or repairs we do, we want tooffer to our customers an additional service, the possibility to find spare parts that are no longer distributed by Chantiers Amel. We also manufacture parts that are no longer marketed.
Séverine from Karinteam www.karinteam.com
---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote: Are you doing this as a stand-alone business, offering new equipment ? Or is this part of a service open to all Amel owners that have used equipment to buy, sell or trade?
Many thanks SM 2000 353 Indecent And Santorin dikenec nka Bianca ( for sale) Both lying Stuart, FL
Stephanie DiBelardino
Hello,
we are trying to set up a website for only selling equipment and other spare parts for sailboats Amel.
To help us to better respond to your needs, do not hesitate to tell us the list of products you are looking for first.
Thanks for any help you can provide
Fair winds
Séverine Vargas Giiles Le Moulec www.karinteam.com
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Re: [Amel] wind generator on Mizzen Mast...options.
Hi Jean Luc, I am away at the moment will post some when I get back. There may be some there from before but Im not sure. Regards Danny
From: "jlm@..."
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2013 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] wind generator on Mizzen Mast...options.
He Danny,
I am interest in your experience,
Did you or can you post some photos ?
Merci,
Jean Luc on CottonBay
Le 24/11/2013 08:21, Danny and Yvonne
SIMMS a écrit :
H Eric. We have a Super Wind 350 mounted on top
of the mizzen and has been there for 4 years.
Excellent in every respect. The Super Wind is very
quiet in operation anyway but we just never hear it.
Absolutely no vibration, also it is worth the extra
cost because it is self feathering and very robust so
there is no concern no matter how high the wind goes.
It has an off switch if you need to turn it off and
with the switch off it turns very slowly. However I
have never turned it off because of wind strength.
Hope this helps.
Danny,
SM 299 Ocean Pearl.
Back in NZ after 4300 miles to and from and
through Fiji, Vanuatu and New Caledonia
Just looking for opinions on a Wind
Generator on top of Mizzen mast.
I have a Santorin Ketch with the Amp Air
Midway on the mizzen. Haven't tried to get
it to work yet, but i am pretty sure it is
all set up and ready to go.
The previous owner had the wind bugger but
didn't use it - it is not hooked up but is
mounted to a pole on the stern. This set up
completely scares me as it really isn't that
far from a persons head (that and the fact
that is an older unit).
I used to have the fourwinds on my cheoy lee
and it produced light wind. I just purchased
a barely used four winds with all the extras
for $500.
I plan to mount this at the very top of the
mizzen.
So the question is: Does anybody else have a
wind generator mounted at the top of the
mizzen? What has been your experience with
output? Any Vibration issues and how did you
deal with them? Do you feel it puts too much
stress on the mast? I would imagine the that
having it spin while the boat is underway
produces to much stress on the mast and
maybe the unit itself- is that your
experience as well?
I know there are plenty of owners on here
whom don't believe in wind generators and
use their diesel daily, which if probably a
must for a SM.
thanks.
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Joel: Thank you for the info. Q: What is my time frame to re-do this? 1 day? 1 week? 1 month? We are in a bit of a fix here in the BVI and if we must do this immediately I must find a place to haul and do the work while we stay somewhere here on Tortola.
Thank you,
Curt Epperson
sail2live@...
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--- In amelyachtowners@..., Joel <jfpottercys@...> wrote:
Colin Richardsons boat. Sold it to him.
Short answer, bad news. ALL the coatings will eventually come off the iron because of waiting too long between shooting the iron clean and bright to putting on the sealer epoxy. This time frame is measured in minutes not hours. The metal soon oxidizes at the micro level and once started
RUST NEVER SLEEPS. Don't believe this? Read the instructions on the products container. All must come off and be done correctly again. Don't shoot the messenger....
Joel F. Potter
Amel guy for AMERICA
954 812 2485
iPhone
On Nov 24, 2013, at 10:02 AM, "curtepp" <sail2live@...> wrote:
From: Curt & Mary Epperson
My wife and I are new Amel owners. We purchased a 1987 Maramu (Languedoc) in May and are now on our first cruise, in the BVI.
The boat had a gel-coat peel and epoxy job a few years ago and the hull is in excellent shape. The only item for repair called by the surveyor was some rust at the hull to ballast joint.
The boat was stored on the hard at Nanny Cay for June-Oct. Prior to launch we contracted for some repairs and for bottom paint. The repairs were to remove the rust at the joint between the iron ballast and the fiberglass hull, then fill with epoxy and fair before the Micron went on. We hired a "manager" to supervise the work.
By the time we arrive at Nanny Cay last Tuesday, most of the rust repair was done. I was only able to see the work after dusk. It looked like the entire iron ballast has been sanded to bare metal but it too dark to tell for sure. So I went to bed and got up early the next morning to inspect the job before the Micron went on. But by 7:00 am the painter had already applied the first coat of Micron.
When she finished, the bottom looked real nice, as expected. We launched the next day.
Within a couple days, rust started to appear on the ballast, coming through the Micron. Now, the rust has spread and is present on both sides. I suspect primer or epoxy was not applied before the Micron went on but of course I do not know for sure. In any event, it is not right.
We are headed to Puerto Rico in two weeks. We can haul out for storage for a couple months there until we return in March for a longer cruise. That would allow us to do the work right ourselves. Or, we can get an immediate haul out here on Tortola and get an immediate fix if that is prudent. We just do not know how bad or urgent a problem this is, having never owned a boat with anything other than a lead keel.
Can anyone give us some advice? We have good internet service today and we are hanging out on Tortola just in case we need to act quickly to forestall a serious problem
Thanks so much for whatever advice anyone can offer.
BTW: We love the boat and have already had some very nice sailing.
Curt Epperson
S/V Languedoc
1987 Maramu
284 546 1162
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Re: [Amel] Spare parts and equipement
Hello, we are specialized in the maintenance of Amel sailboats for many years. In addition
to various modifications or repairs we do, we want to offer to our customers an additional
service, the possibility to find spare parts that are no longer distributed by
Chantiers Amel. We also manufacture
parts that are no longer marketed. Séverine from Karinteam www.karinteam.com
---In amelyachtowners@..., <stephiedib@...> wrote: Are you doing this as a stand-alone business, offering new equipment ? Or is this part of a service open to all Amel owners that have used equipment to buy, sell or trade?
Many thanks SM 2000 353 Indecent And Santorin dikenec nka Bianca ( for sale) Both lying Stuart, FL
Stephanie DiBelardino
On Nov 22, 2013, at 9:48 AM, <contact@...> wrote:
Hello,
we are trying to set up a website for only selling equipment and other spare parts for sailboats Amel.
To help us to better respond to your needs, do not hesitate to tell us the list of products you are looking for first. Thanks for any help you can provide Fair winds Séverine Vargas Giiles Le Moulec www.karinteam.com
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Re: Spare parts and equipement
Dear Group Moderator, Thank you for agreeing to the publication of my message.
I agree to abide by site policy Amelyachtowners by not advertising.
My approach is only in order to gather relevant information in order to best meet your needs. I have never got involved in conversations, even when it was to find a company able to paint masts or other repairs. I respect your forum and I will wait until the Member contact me directly if they need my services.
Thank you again for your Confidently.
Séverine from Karinteam www.karinteam.com ---In amelyachtowners@..., <lji0041@...> wrote: Thank you, Severine. I decided to approve your message since it can be useful for the rest of the members. Please include your data in the links database section. However, I kindly ask you only to respond when some other member request a kind of service such you can provide and please refrain from proactively send information on your business that could be considered as publicity not requested, etc.
Having said this. I wish you the best success.
Group Moderator
---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Hello,
we are trying to set up a website for only selling equipment and other spare parts for sailboats Amel.
To help us to better respond to your needs, do not hesitate to tell us the list of products you are looking for first. Thanks for any help you can provide Fair winds Séverine Vargas Giiles Le Moulec www.karinteam.com
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Colin Richardsons boat. Sold it to him. Short answer, bad news. ALL the coatings will eventually come off the iron because of waiting too long between shooting the iron clean and bright to putting on the sealer epoxy. This time frame is measured in minutes not hours. The metal soon oxidizes at the micro level and once started
RUST NEVER SLEEPS. Don't believe this? Read the instructions on the products container. All must come off and be done correctly again. Don't shoot the messenger....
Joel F. Potter Amel guy for AMERICA 954 812 2485 iPhone
On Nov 24, 2013, at 10:02 AM, "curtepp" < sail2live@...> wrote:
From: Curt & Mary Epperson
My wife and I are new Amel owners. We purchased a 1987 Maramu (Languedoc) in May and are now on our first cruise, in the BVI.
The boat had a gel-coat peel and epoxy job a few years ago and the hull is in excellent shape. The only item for repair called by the surveyor was some rust at the hull to ballast joint.
The boat was stored on the hard at Nanny Cay for June-Oct. Prior to launch we contracted for some repairs and for bottom paint. The repairs were to remove the rust at the joint between the iron ballast and the fiberglass hull, then fill with epoxy and fair before the Micron went on. We hired a "manager" to supervise the work.
By the time we arrive at Nanny Cay last Tuesday, most of the rust repair was done. I was only able to see the work after dusk. It looked like the entire iron ballast has been sanded to bare metal but it too dark to tell for sure. So I went to bed and got up early the next morning to inspect the job before the Micron went on. But by 7:00 am the painter had already applied the first coat of Micron.
When she finished, the bottom looked real nice, as expected. We launched the next day.
Within a couple days, rust started to appear on the ballast, coming through the Micron. Now, the rust has spread and is present on both sides. I suspect primer or epoxy was not applied before the Micron went on but of course I do not know for sure. In any event, it is not right.
We are headed to Puerto Rico in two weeks. We can haul out for storage for a couple months there until we return in March for a longer cruise. That would allow us to do the work right ourselves. Or, we can get an immediate haul out here on Tortola and get an immediate fix if that is prudent. We just do not know how bad or urgent a problem this is, having never owned a boat with anything other than a lead keel.
Can anyone give us some advice? We have good internet service today and we are hanging out on Tortola just in case we need to act quickly to forestall a serious problem
Thanks so much for whatever advice anyone can offer.
BTW: We love the boat and have already had some very nice sailing.
Curt Epperson
S/V Languedoc
1987 Maramu
284 546 1162
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From: Curt & Mary Epperson
My wife and I are new Amel owners. We purchased a 1987 Maramu (Languedoc) in May and are now on our first cruise, in the BVI.
The boat had a gel-coat peel and epoxy job a few years ago and the hull is in excellent shape. The only item for repair called by the surveyor was some rust at the hull to ballast joint.
The boat was stored on the hard at Nanny Cay for June-Oct. Prior to launch we contracted for some repairs and for bottom paint. The repairs were to remove the rust at the joint between the iron ballast and the fiberglass hull, then fill with epoxy and fair before the Micron went on. We hired a "manager" to supervise the work.
By the time we arrive at Nanny Cay last Tuesday, most of the rust repair was done. I was only able to see the work after dusk. It looked like the entire iron ballast has been sanded to bare metal but it too dark to tell for sure. So I went to bed and got up early the next morning to inspect the job before the Micron went on. But by 7:00 am the painter had already applied the first coat of Micron.
When she finished, the bottom looked real nice, as expected. We launched the next day.
Within a couple days, rust started to appear on the ballast, coming through the Micron. Now, the rust has spread and is present on both sides. I suspect primer or epoxy was not applied before the Micron went on but of course I do not know for sure. In any event, it is not right.
We are headed to Puerto Rico in two weeks. We can haul out for storage for a couple months there until we return in March for a longer cruise. That would allow us to do the work right ourselves. Or, we can get an immediate haul out here on Tortola and get an immediate fix if that is prudent. We just do not know how bad or urgent a problem this is, having never owned a boat with anything other than a lead keel.
Can anyone give us some advice? We have good internet service today and we are hanging out on Tortola just in case we need to act quickly to forestall a serious problem
Thanks so much for whatever advice anyone can offer.
BTW: We love the boat and have already had some very nice sailing.
Curt Epperson
S/V Languedoc
1987 Maramu
284 546 1162
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