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Re: [Amel] Rain cover over galley port.

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

I had Amel fit another one to the aft heads before we left La Rochelle so that is one source. It would be easier to have someone mould a couple of new ones if the old one is good enough.  Best wishes, Anne and John,  Bali Hai, SM 319, for sale,  Malta
 

From: Sailorman
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:53 AM
Subject: [Amel] Rain cover over galley port.
 
 

I noticed that the white cover that sits around the galley port on muy boat has deteriorated due to the Caribbean sun.

Does anyone have a source?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



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Rain cover over galley port.

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

I noticed that the white cover that sits around the galley port on muy boat has deteriorated due to the Caribbean sun.

Does anyone have a source?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

 


Re: Main sheet traveler cars

Dave_Benjamin
 

Bob,


In opinion, the original Goiot hardware supplied for that mainsail track was utter junk. We installed a Harken track and were quite happy with the results. You can drill and tap the existing track to accept the fasteners for the Harken track.  



---In amelyachtowners@..., <bob.sarff@...> wrote:

I have one broken car ( they are set up in tandem) and would like to know if one car will support the load on the main.

Has anyone else had this problem? I have a 1985 Maramu, him 173.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Bob
SV Chara


Re: [Amel] Bow Thruster Oil: 90 or 80/90 ???

amelforme
 

Probably would not make  significant  difference. That said, I would be more comfortable with the placard weight of 20w -40 

Joel F. Potter
954 812 2485
iPhone 

On Nov 21, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...> wrote:

 

Good afternoon Joel,

Quick question on the oil for the Amel Drive (on SM2K).
The manual says 15 W 40, just like you and Bill, but the little plaque next to it says 20 W 40 ???
Does it makes a big difference? I have plenty of 15 W 40, if this won't create any problem, I'd rather using it (instead to stock more 20W40 oil).
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 11/2/13, Joel F Potter <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel] Bow Thruster Oil: 90 or 80/90 ???
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, November 2, 2013, 12:13 AM
















 









The Amel invoice probably has
a mistake about the Amel Drive lubrication as it is supposed
to be 15W-40 motor oil according to the owner’s
manual. Most boats have a small plaque near the oil
reservoir for the Amel Drive that stated this.  The bow thruster uses 90
weight gear lube, again according to the owner’s
manual.  
 All the
best,Joel

 Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht
Specialist, LLCAmel's Sole Associate for the
AmericasMailing Address:  401 East Las Olas
Boulevard #130-126Fort
Lauderdale, Florida  33301Phone:  (954) 462-5869  
Cell:  (954) 812-2485Email:  jfpottercys@...
 
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 9:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Bow Thruster Oil: 90 or 80/90
???
  
Quick question before I start the repair on the Bow
Thruster:

It seems I am supposed to put 90 SAE Gear oil in the Bow
Thruster (as well as Amel Drive) - therefore it seems
(according to the last bill from Amel Martinique) that they
put 80/90 (at least in the Amel Drive - not sure about the
Bow Thruster).

What do you put in the Bow Thruster?
Will 80/90 be ok?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA























Re: [Amel] Bow Thruster Oil: 90 or 80/90 ???

Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...>
 

Good afternoon Joel,

Quick question on the oil for the Amel Drive (on SM2K).
The manual says 15 W 40, just like you and Bill, but the little plaque next to it says 20 W 40 ???
Does it makes a big difference? I have plenty of 15 W 40, if this won't create any problem, I'd rather using it (instead to stock more 20W40 oil).
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre


--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 11/2/13, Joel F Potter <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel] Bow Thruster Oil: 90 or 80/90 ???
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, November 2, 2013, 12:13 AM
















 









The Amel invoice probably has
a mistake about the Amel Drive lubrication as it is supposed
to be 15W-40 motor oil according to the owner’s
manual. Most boats have a small plaque near the oil
reservoir for the Amel Drive that stated this.  The bow thruster uses 90
weight gear lube, again according to the owner’s
manual.  
 All the
best,Joel

 Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht
Specialist, LLCAmel's Sole Associate for the
AmericasMailing Address:  401 East Las Olas
Boulevard #130-126Fort
Lauderdale, Florida  33301Phone:  (954) 462-5869  
Cell:  (954) 812-2485Email:  jfpottercys@...
 
 From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 9:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Bow Thruster Oil: 90 or 80/90
???
  
Quick question before I start the repair on the Bow
Thruster:

It seems I am supposed to put 90 SAE Gear oil in the Bow
Thruster (as well as Amel Drive) - therefore it seems
(according to the last bill from Amel Martinique) that they
put 80/90 (at least in the Amel Drive - not sure about the
Bow Thruster).

What do you put in the Bow Thruster?
Will 80/90 be ok?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook, Texas, USA


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Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi there,
Having trouble getting emails from Amel Owners Forum, working on it


Re: [Amel] Rotary Autopilot

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

Bill,

Would you please send me the diagram,

It is hard to read the part numbers on the site.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

Kimberlite@...

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Bill & Judy Rouse
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 12:59 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Rotary Autopilot

 

 

Eric,

 

 

Hope this helps you.

 

Bill

BeBe, SM2k, #387

 

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

Does anyone have an exploded parts diagram of the Raymarine rotary autopilot on the Amel Super Maramu?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

 


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Re: [Amel] Rotary Autopilot

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,


Hope this helps you.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387


On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

Does anyone have an exploded parts diagram of the Raymarine rotary autopilot on the Amel Super Maramu?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 



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forward watertight door

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

I noticed when closing up Kimberlite that when I tightened the board on the forward door  too much it twisted the door and left a space big enough to put my little finger in.

As I loosened the board (dog) the door straightened and sealed.

Just a FYI

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Joel F Potter
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 3:21 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel] RE: Watertight, my foot!

 

 

Hi Mike and all other Super Maramu owners. There is quite a bit of confusion and not a little bit of misinformation floating around regarding this situation. Without attempting to correct anyone or step on any toes, there is indeed a “port” in the water tight saloon/forecabin bulkhead. It is on the port side beneath the sette area and allows various plumbing such as that for the anchor wash and the cooling water supply to the forward air conditioner to penetrate the water tight bulkhead as these supply hoses make their way forward from their engine room starting point. You may have to cut in an access port in this area as the way this area was finished varied over the years.

 

On very early model 53’s, the port was made watertight with a white silicon type of sealer. Later model boats had a clear RTV/silicon sealer. In both cases, the sealer filled in the area inside this round port to eliminate the chance of water coming rearward from the forecabin area between the spaces not filled by the various hoses. Seawater can make its way from the forecabin aft IF the sealant has been disturbed or has failed with age. It is not uncommon for boatyards not familiar with Amel boats to not know that the boat has watertight bulkheads and they don’t take measures to insure watertight integrity in this area when replacing the components within the port during maintenance or system replacement. This area is extremely difficult to access beneath the head/shower pan area and only fairly difficult to access from the saloon area portside. The installation of an access port can help in both areas.

 

On later model 53’s such as yours and Trevor’s, the bow thruster compartment was made into a nearly completely watertight compartment in response to an incident. It is difficult for water to flow from this area into the forward bilge and as Trevor points out, you would certainly be aware of it. As you know, this area has a shut off stopcock at its bottom and this feeds to a hose that conveys the water aft to the junction on the forward side of the Saloon/forecabin bulkhead.

 

On earlier boats, pre-Millennium and from hull number one, the bow thruster area allows  seawater to more easily enter the bilge area without telltale evidence.

 

If a not inconsequential amount of water makes its way into the forecabin bilge, it can work its way aft into the saloon bilge area if the sealant in the port is not doing its job, provided you are on starboard tack with a good bit of heel.

 

I only offer this to be helpful and I hope it is.

 

 

All the best,

Joel

 

 

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address:  401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida  33301

Phone:  (954) 462-5869   Cell:  (954) 812-2485

Email:  jfpottercys@...

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of seafeverofcuan@...
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 2:26 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] RE: Watertight, my foot!

 

 

Dear Mike,

               Please be aware that there is no problem. The original post is a misunderstanding of Amel plumbing.

Seawater can not leak from the bow thruster housing as described without soaking the bedding, cushions and port and starboard lockers in the forward cabin.

I have never heard of seawater entering the vessel via the piping for the heads, air con or chain washer as described.

The pipe you describe is normally white plastic and takes the grey water from the shower and the sink to the bilge in the engine room. On some boats there is a brown painted copper pipe which is Teed into the plastic pipe to carry excess seawater from the chain locker again to the bilge.

In the event of an emergency you would shut the cabin door secure it with the wooden cross bar and you will have a water tight bulk head, even if you have a hole in the bow your boat will still float. At that point you would close the valves on both pipes to stop seawater continuing to drain into the bilge in the engine room from the shower tray and eventually burning out your bilge pump.

First rule of thumb when you find any water inside your Amel put your finger in it and taste it.

If it it fresh water ,which is more likely, then you have a leak somewhere around the galley.

Good Luck,

Trevor Lusty

Sea Fever of Cuan

SM 425

Ireland

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., <goughs_au@...> wrote:

 Mahili, SM2K #378. Mike Gough

Thank you for alerting me of the problem, I have located the pipes from the saloon side, some are sealed others will require difficult inspection from the fwd head I think.



---In amelyachtowners@..., <annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Yes,your mail is missing a subject matter so that it can be found again by anyone searching for leaks from bowthruster. It is also missing a proper signature at the end giving your name, boat name model and number plus if you hope for a local’s response your location.

 

                                            Regards,   Anne and John,  Bali Hai, SM2K 319,  Malta

 

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 11:14 AM

Subject: [Amel] Watertight, my foot!

 

 

Has anyone else had to test how watertight their front cabin was as water came in at first unnoticed via the bow thruster?

Apparently the water entered continued it's way into the saloon (we were heeling to port, on starboard tack) via the housings for the seawater pipes for toilet, chain washer and clim. Flooding our under the floorboards storage.

Are we missing something there or watertight compartment means something else in French?


Rotary Autopilot

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi,

Does anyone have an exploded parts diagram of the Raymarine rotary autopilot on the Amel Super Maramu?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 


Re: Black water in Turkey

Otto Martin <otto@...>
 

Hello to all!

I'm sailing with my Sharki "Gioconda" (Swiss flag) since many years in Turkey and our yacht is during wintertime in Marmaris. The Blue-Card system is a very good idea, but until now there is no successful operation: there aren't enough pumping station... It is absolutely clear that you have to buy this blue-card (I got it in my marina). From time to time you have to empty your blackwater tanks at a pumping station. You have to pay for this, but you get a receipt which is necessary if you want to change your transit-log or for all other stuff in relation to the government. But obviously it is impossible to pump out always at a pumping station, there are very few... And with a normal yacht you can't wait for doing this 2 or 3 weeks or more weeks.... What I'm doing : I'm pumping out always outside the the bays and coves as far as possible from the coast. At the end of my holidays (changing the transitlog for a new crew), I'm emtying the holding tank outside, because you can't never be sure if the pumping station in the marina is working... And I'm filling salt water in the holding tank. If then the pumping station works well, it's good. If the pumping station doesn't work, we don't have at least black-water during several months in our holding-tanks! I know, all this is a very mediterranean kind to manage this problem, but what else can we do with small boats? And for "Pilgrim": " the front heads direct to the sea"? I think this could be a problem. Grey and black water should always go to 1 or 2 holding tank. Then nobody can accuse you of directly pumping out into the sea.
Kind regards Otto SY Gioconda


Re: [Amel] mast paint

Ian Shepherd
 

I asked Olivier some years ago what the specs for the mast paint were. This is what he told me:

The paint Amel use on the SM is by Awlgrip. The type is 00B006G (known as White Amel No 3)

The hardner is 000G3010 known as AWLCAT2

The thinner is 000T0001

If doing small touch ups you can use white spirit as the thinner.

This was the spec for my SM 2000. Earlier SM models might possibly have a different colour? The RAL colour code is 1013

Hope this helps

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader (2003) Larnaca Cyprus

On 18/11/2013 07:44, herbert@... wrote:

 

we plan to change the standing rigging for our Santorin Kali Mera. The rigger told us that he has to lay down the mast for the rig exchange. At both masts the paint loses colour, if I touch it it is a little bit like white chalk on my hands. When the masts have to be removed it seems to be a good oportunity to fix that - has anyone repainted the masts - any recommendations? Is there something that I have to pay special attention?  Any recommendations for a company in the med (croatia, Italy)?

thanks for you help

herbert
SN 120 Kali Mera, Zadar



Re: Turkey: Marmaris, Black water, Gray water, Amel Service Gocek, Winter Berth

alainfeuillet@...
 

Dear Bill,

thanks a lot for ALL these valuable informations. At that point, I believe we should have direct mail exchange to discuss more in depth all your interesting recommendations and proposals. Also we could Skype... 

My email adress is alainfeuillet(at)laposte.net and my Skype id is alain.feuillet1.

Alain

Pilgrim

Currently in Naoussa (Paros)




---In amelyachtowners@..., <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Alain
I abolutely agree with Bill's statement. I'm since 5 Year sailing in Tukey waters. And yes Rika and his team are very good.
Fair winds
Hanspeter
SM 16# Tamango 2
Krusadasi, Turkey
----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----
Von : yahoogroups@...
Datum : 20/11/2013 - 06:32 (UTC)
An : amelyachtowners@...
Betreff : [Amel] Turkey: Marmaris, Black water, Gray water, Amel Service Gocek, Winter Berth






Alain,
If you believe everything written and rumoured about gray and black water in Turkey, you probably would never come here.
Yes, there is a Blue Card which you will get when you check-in to Turkey. Since you are arriving in Marmaris, be sure to check in with only Soner Yaman, agent, <marmarismarine@...>, Marmaris Marine www.marmarismarine.com phone & fax: +90 252 412 0103, mobile: +90 507 245 1151. Please tell him that you are a friend of Bill & Judy "BeBe." He will take care of all of your check-in paperwork and the Blue Card. When you are in his office, ask him about the current gray and black water practices...they sometimes change daily.
As far as everything else about the Blue Card, enforcement, penalties, etc., these are what I call "Cruiser Rumors" which have been spread by a very large contingent of British "marina gypsies," mostly at Yacht Marina in Marmaris. When I arrived here, this group told me, with lots of other misinformation, that Turkey has helicopters patrolling anchorages and marinas looking for brown spots coming from boats; and when found, the helicopter crew writes a fine to the boat for thousands of dollars. I do not know if you know how stupid this is, but it was believed among this group at Yacht Marina. They spread this rumor throughout Turkey. I made it my mission to debunk that rumor and in jest named these fictitious helicopters Poopy-Copters. I think I was successful in getting rid of that rumor.
The practice among everyone I know is to close the holding tanks while in anchorages and marinas and dump when several miles out. Also, when at a fuel dock that has a working pump-out (about 25% of fuel docks), to present the Blue Card and pump out (for me about once every 6 months). Turkish law regulates gray water identical to black water, but as you may know, Turkey has thousands of charter boats and their sinks and showers are plumbed directly out. The gray water portion of the law is completely ignored.
You will be OK, and you do not need to worry.
Additionally, I recommend that you DO NOT stay in Marmaris for any reason, regardless of what some people may tell you. For every good repair/service person, there are 4 that have no idea what they are doing. As an example: the Dessalator authorized serviceman in Marmaris replaced the low pressure pump on a friend's boat with one made for fresh water. The resulting rust ruined lots of things including the membranes. There is an Amel sales and warranty company in Gocek (about 45 miles from Marmaris). They have an Amel pontoon at the Skopea Marina in Gocek. Contact:
RIZA CAGDAS CAKIR, Chief Operating Officer:
EMEK MARIN LTD.STI.
Address: Hurriyet Mah Ataturk Bul.No:1
48310 Gocek/Mugla/TURKEY
Tel : +90 252 645 2468 - 1551
Fax : +90 252 645 2899
Gsm : +90 532 495 6539
e-mail : cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
web : www.emekmarin.com
A great place to winter your Amel in the water is Yacht Classic Hotel and Marina (www.yachtclassichotel.com)...usually the majority of wintered boats at Yacht Classic are Amels (our secret...don't tell anyone) . If interested in this, let me know.
Hope this helps.
Bill
BeBe
Currently at Yacht Classic Hotel Marina, Fethiye, Turkey

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM, <alainfeuillet@...> wrote:






To Bill and/or other members who are currently in Turkey...
Dear all,
Can you update our group with your uptodate experience with Turkish authorities about black water management?
We plan to arrive in December in Marmaris. We heard frightening things from friends about a blue card, frequent checks by authorities, big penalties if you cannot evidence you discharged in a certified station. Can we get the official documents and can we get to know usual practices?
Pilgrim is equipped as follows:
_ rear heads: an electroscan unit treats black water and send it in a 200l holding tank
_ front heads: direct to the sea.
Thanks in advance
Alain
PILGRIM SM#26













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Re: [Amel] Turkey: Marmaris, Black water, Gray water, Amel Service Gocek, Winter Berth

hanspeter baettig
 

Alain
I abolutely agree with Bill's statement. I'm since 5 Year sailing in Tukey waters. And yes Rika and his team are very good.
Fair winds
Hanspeter
SM 16# Tamango 2
Krusadasi, Turkey
----Ursprngliche Nachricht----
Von : yahoogroups@...
Datum : 20/11/2013 - 06:32 (UTC)
An : amelyachtowners@...
Betreff : [Amel] Turkey: Marmaris, Black water, Gray water, Amel Service Gocek, Winter Berth






Alain,
If you believe everything written and rumoured about gray and black water in Turkey, you probably would never come here.
Yes, there is a Blue Card which you will get when you check-in to Turkey. Since you are arriving in Marmaris, be sure to check in with only Soner Yaman, agent, <marmarismarine@...>, Marmaris Marine www.marmarismarine.com phone & fax: +90 252 412 0103, mobile: +90 507 245 1151. Please tell him that you are a friend of Bill & Judy "BeBe." He will take care of all of your check-in paperwork and the Blue Card. When you are in his office, ask him about the current gray and black water practices...they sometimes change daily.
As far as everything else about the Blue Card, enforcement, penalties, etc., these are what I call "Cruiser Rumors" which have been spread by a very large contingent of British "marina gypsies," mostly at Yacht Marina in Marmaris. When I arrived here, this group told me, with lots of other misinformation, that Turkey has helicopters patrolling anchorages and marinas looking for brown spots coming from boats; and when found, the helicopter crew writes a fine to the boat for thousands of dollars. I do not know if you know how stupid this is, but it was believed among this group at Yacht Marina. They spread this rumor throughout Turkey. I made it my mission to debunk that rumor and in jest named these fictitious helicopters Poopy-Copters. I think I was successful in getting rid of that rumor.
The practice among everyone I know is to close the holding tanks while in anchorages and marinas and dump when several miles out. Also, when at a fuel dock that has a working pump-out (about 25% of fuel docks), to present the Blue Card and pump out (for me about once every 6 months). Turkish law regulates gray water identical to black water, but as you may know, Turkey has thousands of charter boats and their sinks and showers are plumbed directly out. The gray water portion of the law is completely ignored.
You will be OK, and you do not need to worry.
Additionally, I recommend that you DO NOT stay in Marmaris for any reason, regardless of what some people may tell you. For every good repair/service person, there are 4 that have no idea what they are doing. As an example: the Dessalator authorized serviceman in Marmaris replaced the low pressure pump on a friend's boat with one made for fresh water. The resulting rust ruined lots of things including the membranes. There is an Amel sales and warranty company in Gocek (about 45 miles from Marmaris). They have an Amel pontoon at the Skopea Marina in Gocek. Contact:
RIZA CAGDAS CAKIR, Chief Operating Officer:
EMEK MARIN LTD.STI.
Address: Hurriyet Mah Ataturk Bul.No:1
48310 Gocek/Mugla/TURKEY
Tel : +90 252 645 2468 - 1551
Fax : +90 252 645 2899
Gsm : +90 532 495 6539
e-mail : cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
web : www.emekmarin.com
A great place to winter your Amel in the water is Yacht Classic Hotel and Marina (www.yachtclassichotel.com)...usually the majority of wintered boats at Yacht Classic are Amels (our secret...don't tell anyone) . If interested in this, let me know.
Hope this helps.
Bill
BeBe
Currently at Yacht Classic Hotel Marina, Fethiye, Turkey

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM, <alainfeuillet@...> wrote:






To Bill and/or other members who are currently in Turkey...
Dear all,
Can you update our group with your uptodate experience with Turkish authorities about black water management?
We plan to arrive in December in Marmaris. We heard frightening things from friends about a blue card, frequent checks by authorities, big penalties if you cannot evidence you discharged in a certified station. Can we get the official documents and can we get to know usual practices?
Pilgrim is equipped as follows:
_ rear heads: an electroscan unit treats black water and send it in a 200l holding tank
_ front heads: direct to the sea.
Thanks in advance
Alain
PILGRIM SM#26


Turkey: Marmaris, Black water, Gray water, Amel Service Gocek, Winter Berth

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alain,

If you believe everything written and rumoured about gray and black water in Turkey, you probably would never come here.

Yes, there is a Blue Card which you will get when you check-in to Turkey. Since you are arriving in Marmaris, be sure to check in with only  Soner Yaman, agent, <marmarismarine@...>, Marmaris Marine www.marmarismarine.com phone & fax: +90 252 412 0103,  mobile: +90 507 245 1151. Please tell him that you are a friend of Bill & Judy "BeBe." He will take care of all of your check-in paperwork and the Blue Card. When you are in his office, ask him about the current gray and black water practices...they sometimes change daily.

As far as everything else about the Blue Card, enforcement, penalties, etc., these are what I call "Cruiser Rumors" which have been spread by a very large contingent of British "marina gypsies," mostly at Yacht Marina in Marmaris. When I arrived here, this group told me, with lots of other misinformation, that Turkey has helicopters patrolling anchorages and marinas looking for brown spots coming from boats; and when found, the helicopter crew writes a fine to the boat for thousands of dollars. I do not know if you know how stupid this is, but it was believed among this group at Yacht Marina. They spread this rumor throughout Turkey. I made it my mission to debunk that rumor and in jest named these fictitious helicopters Poopy-Copters. I think I was successful in getting rid of that rumor.

The practice among everyone I know is to close the holding tanks while in anchorages and marinas and dump when several miles out. Also, when at a fuel dock that has a working pump-out (about 25% of fuel docks), to present the Blue Card and pump out (for me about once every 6 months). Turkish law regulates gray water identical to black water, but as you may know, Turkey has thousands of charter boats and their sinks and showers are plumbed directly out. The gray water portion of the law is completely ignored.

You will be OK, and you do not need to worry.

Additionally, I recommend that you DO NOT stay in Marmaris for any reason, regardless of what some people may tell you. For every good repair/service person, there are 4 that have no idea what they are doing. As an example: the Dessalator authorized serviceman in Marmaris replaced the low pressure pump on a friend's boat with one made for fresh water. The resulting rust ruined lots of things including the membranes. There is an Amel sales and warranty company in Gocek (about 45 miles from Marmaris). They have an Amel pontoon at the Skopea Marina in Gocek. Contact: 
RIZA CAGDAS CAKIR, Chief Operating Officer:
EMEK MARIN LTD.STI.
Address: Hurriyet Mah Ataturk Bul.No:1
                   48310 Gocek/Mugla/TURKEY
Tel         :    +90 252 645 2468 - 1551
Fax        :   +90 252 645 2899
Gsm      : +90 532 495 6539
e-mail  : cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
web      : www.emekmarin.com

A great place to winter your Amel in the water is Yacht Classic Hotel and Marina (www.yachtclassichotel.com)...usually the majority of wintered boats at Yacht Classic are Amels (our secret...don't tell anyone) . If interested in this, let me know.

Hope this helps.


Bill
BeBe
Currently at Yacht Classic Hotel Marina, Fethiye, Turkey


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM, <alainfeuillet@...> wrote:
 

To Bill and/or other members who are currently in Turkey...

Dear all,
Can you update our group with your uptodate experience with Turkish authorities about black water management?
We plan to arrive in December in Marmaris. We heard frightening things from friends about a blue card, frequent checks by authorities, big penalties if you cannot evidence you discharged in a certified station. Can we get the official documents and can we get to know usual practices?
Pilgrim is equipped as follows:
_ rear heads: an electroscan unit treats black water and send it in a 200l holding tank
_ front heads: direct to the sea.
Thanks in advance
Alain
PILGRIM SM#26




Re: [Amel] Re: our encounter with a vessel in distress

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

If you look at the link in my note - or Google AMVER, the Canadian sailor was sailing solo and was suffering from extreme dehydration. This is the first time out of 4 that I have been involved with that there was a happy ending.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

 

 

 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 7:43 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: our encounter with a vessel in distress

 

 

Eric,

Wow! What an adventrue. What was the reason for the distress call?

Mark

s/v Cream Puff
SM2K #275
www.creampuff.us


Re: our encounter with a vessel in distress

Mark Erdos
 

Eric,

Wow! What an adventrue. What was the reason for the distress call?

Mark

s/v Cream Puff
SM2K #275
www.creampuff.us


our encounter with a vessel in distress

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

To see photos follow this link—we were the good Samaritan sailboat.

http://amveruscg.blogspot.com/2013/11/amver-ship-rescues-canadian-400-miles.html

 

Story by Eric Freedman

 

The one that got away.

 

Telling this story I feel like a fisherman talking about a big fish that got off his hook.

 At 08:00 Atlantic Standard Time we were contacted by the cargo ship Vincentia

 heading for Gibraltar that there was a sailing vessel 50 miles south of us in need of assistance.

We were beating close hauled into 20+ knots of wind.

We started monitoring both channel 16 and 2182 on the ssb radio.

It was Sunday November 3 2013.

 

We immediately changed our course to the vessels position. we were at 25-42 N 63-47w

The vessel was at approximately 24-48 N 63-41 W.

 

The first ship to arrive on scene was the 518 foot Chiquita Stockholm, but it did not have lifting equipment to lift the solo sailor off. So the Chiquita went to windward to put the sailboat in calmer seas.

 

We were about 10 miles away when the Vincentia, also a large cargo ship 623 feet headed to Gibraltar arrived on scene. We continued to sail towards the sailboat.

The Vincentia

 had a crane and was able to lift the sailor on board.

We watched all this unfold on radar.

 

We figured it was our lucky day and we could claim the sailboat for salvage and sail it to ST Maarten. I noticed on our AIS that the Vincentia was steaming south at 7 ½ knots which I thought was odd. When we arrived where the sailboat should have been it was not anywhere to be seen. I looked at the horizon and I saw the Vincentia

 as a small speck and what looked to be  the sailboat in tow.

When we called the Vincentia it was in fact claiming salvage of the sailboat and was towing it.

That was about 2 PM AST. About an hour and a half before sundown Vincentia called us and said that the tow line had parted and the sailboat was ours to be had at position 24-35.4 N 63-46.1 W. We headed to that position and low and behold a beautiful green hulled sailboat with a beige deck, bobstay and monitor wind vane lay150 feet off our port side. It looked to be about 34 foot double ended sloop probably $150-$200,000 unfortunately we only had a half an hour before sunset and the seas were running 12-14 feet. We also did not know if it was trailing a 400 foot tow line. Something you do not want to motor into. If the Vincentia was not greedy we would have come across the sailboat much earlier and we would have had a lot of sunlight to work in.  I would have headed upwind of the sailboat and drifted down to it. Being a ketch rigged sailboat it is very important to come alongside another boat without either of  my masts colliding with the one of the abandoned sloop, as this would probably cause us to loose our masts.

Our initial plan was to drift down to the boat after carefully inspecting it to see how long a tow it was trailing. We would have then aligned our masts put fenders over the side , tied off to it and boarded her with 2 crew in PFD’s and radio gear and GPS receivers.

If the boat was locked we could have passed drills and a cut off saw over to the boat, we could have seen it needed fuel etc and done whatever repairs were needed to make the boat seaworthy and able to sail.

 I decided it was getting dark and this maneuver was very dangerous. Additionally the boat had a radar signature about the size of a pinhead on our radar and it would be impossible to track it overnight as it was easily lost in the sea clutter.

We advised maritime marine network of the boat adrift and sailed off. We were all very bummed out over the loss of this boat. It would have been a hell of an adventure.

I still run this loss over and over in my mind and I know I made the right decision, but

it would have been so excited to have sailed this boat into ST Martin not for the salvage value but for the fun of the adventure.

 

I feel very sorry for the solo sailor who lost his boat. It would have been nice to see him reunited with his boat. Hopefully someone will find it and he will get his boat back, and it will not be run down by a large vessel in the night. Unfortunately for the owner, if his insurance is anything like mine solo sailing is not insured. I have made this trip from St Martin to New York 26 times and am well aware of the hazards.

Fair winds,

Eric Freedman

 


Re: [Amel] Re: Main sheet traveler cars

Bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

Thanks Dennis.  I'll try to add a picture to the owners site as soon as I figure out how to do it.  I believe that I can not just attach it to this email.

Thanks again.
Bob
SV Chara



On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Dennis Johns <sbmesasailor@...> wrote:

 

Hi Bob,
 
We have Maramu #121 (1982) and we have only a single car on the main sheet traveller and I’m sure it’s original.  Don’t know if ours is more robust than yours and if yours was replaced at some time with another makers hardware.  What we did change was the purchase on the boom which was originally a single block and has been changed to three blocks.  At any rate, the single car we have has been sufficient thus far for our circumnavigation.  If you attach a photo of your setup I can tell if it is the same as ours.
 
Dennis Johns
s/v Libertad
Port Dickson, Malaysia


Black water in Turkey

alainfeuillet@...
 

To Bill and/or other members who are currently in Turkey...


Dear all,
Can you update our group with your uptodate experience with Turkish authorities about black water management?
We plan to arrive in December in Marmaris. We heard frightening things from friends about a blue card, frequent checks by authorities, big penalties if you cannot evidence you discharged in a certified station. Can we get the official documents and can we get to know usual practices?
Pilgrim is equipped as follows:
_ rear heads: an electroscan unit treats black water and send it in a 200l holding tank
_ front heads: direct to the sea.
Thanks in advance
Alain
PILGRIM SM#26