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Re: Headlining how-to
wintherdeb <wintherdeb@...>
Which adhesive spray would you suggest - 3M?
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thanks Deb --- In amelyachtowners@..., Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:
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Re: Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries
drew_gaffney <drew.gaffney@...>
When we went to NZ to see about buying Revelation SM390, we found the battery compartment full of acid and 12 dry Trojan batteries. The Dolphin 30 A charger had cooked them having remained in bulk charge mode. The charger had been replaced once and repaired a second time. It was no longer being serviced by Dolphin.
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The owner replaced the batteries and I added a Xantrex Freedom inverter charger which has worked well. It delivers approximately 40A. The Dolphin 100 A charger PCB failed, was not repairable, and was replaced with a Victron Centaur 100A Charger. It failed after 1yr, was replaced, and a year later, was not charging properly. The dealer in Phuket changed the program to provide 28.8V bulk charge and it's worked well for the past 6 mo's. Who know's what's next. You will need some a lower Amp charger for use in the marina... I would not buy Dolphin again. Drew Revelation SM390 On the hard, Krabi Thailand --- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
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Re: Headlining how-to
Dave_Benjamin
Hi Deb and Mike,
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We decided to get away from headliner material so we're replacing ours with a product called Lonseal which is actually a commercial flooring material that comes in a variety of appearances. Our method is to aglue the Lonseal to a 1/8" thick piece of mahogany plywood (door skin) and then either glue or screw the assembly in place. So far we've done most of the forepeak and in our estimation looks far superior to vinyl. Costs are comparable to a high quality vinyl and it's easier to install and very easy to keep clean. I'll be posting photos as we get further into the project. --- In amelyachtowners@..., "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:
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[Amel] Re: Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries
Thanks Richard,
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As I understand it (and I had this on my last boat) a big alternator with an external 3 stage regulator will bulk charge the battery bank at its current acceptance rate until the voltage reaches the absorption voltage - in our case approx. 28.4. The reg then backs off the field current to the alternator to maintain the absorption voltage (inclusive of any devices drawing current from the system) for a predetermined time or until the current from the alternator drops to a predetermined level (eg less than 10% of Ah capacity), and then switches to float. The temperature compensated systems measure the battery temperature and modify the charging profile accordingly...cold batteries need a higher voltage than warm ones The problem with internally regulated alternators is that they don't bulk charge, absorb then float. They just sit at the set voltage forever and never float. That seems to me to be a problem if you motor for a long time. If anyone has knowledge / experience of rewiring a neg regulated Leec-Neville alternator for an external reg., I'd appreciate hearing from you. Cheers Alan --- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Re: Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries
Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
I will be taking my 175 alternator to a local shop—same as yours and have
them check it out. He told me that the regulator in the alternator has a variable alternator. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:38 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel] Re: Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries Another thing that could cause this is extended motoring. The 170Amp alternator on our engine is internally regulated to 28.4 volts. So it outputs whatever current it can at 28.4 volts all the time. If you motor for long periods of time this will overcharge the batteries...and could lead to boiling off the electrolyte. I'm looking at changing this system to have an externally 3 stage regulator that will bulk, absorb and then float. I don't think this internal reg is good for deep cycle batteries. I contacted Leece-Neville about this and it is not so simple to change as my alt. is regulated on the negative side so its not just a matter of taking out the internal reg and connecting the brushes to the field excitation from the external reg. There's some serious rewiring involved. I would be interested to hear from anyone who has done this ... Cheers Alan & Judith SM437 Elyse --- In amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "rxc" <rxc@...> wrote: this list because you have some interesting topics) The Freedom inverter/charger had a sensing line wired directly to the batteries. I have also seen alternator controllers wired like this. It is done to make sure that the voltage that is being sensed is the actual voltage at the battery terminal, and not at the output of the charger. If there are significant losses in the transmission cable from the charger to the battery, the charger could sense an eroneous voltage. Also, if the sensing line has a bad connection it will see the same condition. Connections should be one of the first thing checked when you have a problem like this. Alternatively, use a voltmeter to check the voltage at the charger output and compare that to the voltage at the battery. smoke detector kept going off, but there was no sign of smoke or fire in the boat. Turned out that as they overheated, the batteries gave off fumes that set off the smoke detector. If we had waiting longer, the batteries would have gotten so hot they might have started a real fire. It was a close thing. <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Kent Robertson <karkauai@> wrote: batteries with any of my chargers is the output line of the charger...Is that what you are referring to? <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>Thanks, sensing line from your batteries back to the charging source, whether it isSent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:44 AM the alternator or a shore charger. I once had a Freedom charger cook some very nice trojan batteries because the fuse-holder in the sensing line developed a bad connection, and the charger thought that the voltage was lower than it was actually putting out. Very high voltage and boiled batteries. Bad connections can cause this. <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard Piller <richard03801@> wrote: battery charger must be no less than 10% of the amp hours of the bank you wish to charge. trickle charger at the dock when the batteries are topped off the start with. If you try to top off discharged batteries with the 30 amp charger what has occurred with a rather large number of Amel owners is the charger overheats cooks its internal regulator and never shuts off the result being cook battery bank. 30 . of the liquid in all the sealed maintenance free batteries had boiled off. I did not realize that under the labels there are plugs where water can be added. In any event all the house (12) batteries small for the bank and it probably cooked the batteries as it saw the bankhave to be replaced. as always needing a charge. I plan on having the alternator checked and then speak again with Dolphin when I install the new batteries. 30 amp charger running. Any thoughts on my problem? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel 55 Review & Video in Yachting Monthly June 2013 edition
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Yes when the 55 is setup with two headsails/cutter rigged one needs to roll the most forward sail As you tack then unroll it so prevent issues with the stay sail.
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Regards Richard Piller Cell 603 767 5330 On May 22, 2013, at 21:59, "jjjk12s" <jjjk12s@...> wrote:
Colin, Thanks for posting the link. Beautiful boat. Towards the end (20.49 minutes the presenter says the sails should be furled for a tack?? John, Maramu #91 --- In amelyachtowners@..., "islandpearl2_sm2k332" <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Re: Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries
Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
Please take note 28.4 bolts is not over charging a large 24 volt system. Second when the new smart chargers see max voltage they move to float. Second as you are motoring you are also using a rather amp hungry group if this and that on board so the alternator also needs to keep up with those. Third a smart charger will normally and a heat sensor that tells the smart charger when the bank is to hot. When it sees over heating it goes to float.
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In any case the sooner you go with a modern smart charger that is equal in output to at least 10% of the AMP hours of the bank the better. Regards Richard Piller Cell 603 767 5330 On May 23, 2013, at 19:37, "alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k" <divanz620@...> wrote:
Another thing that could cause this is extended motoring. The 170Amp alternator on our engine is internally regulated to 28.4 volts. So it outputs whatever current it can at 28.4 volts all the time. If you motor for long periods of time this will overcharge the batteries...and could lead to boiling off the electrolyte. I'm looking at changing this system to have an externally 3 stage regulator that will bulk, absorb and then float. I don't think this internal reg is good for deep cycle batteries. I contacted Leece-Neville about this and it is not so simple to change as my alt. is regulated on the negative side so its not just a matter of taking out the internal reg and connecting the brushes to the field excitation from the external reg. There's some serious rewiring involved. I would be interested to hear from anyone who has done this ... Cheers Alan & Judith SM437 Elyse --- In amelyachtowners@..., "rxc" <rxc@...> wrote:
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Re: Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries
Another thing that could cause this is extended motoring.
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The 170Amp alternator on our engine is internally regulated to 28.4 volts. So it outputs whatever current it can at 28.4 volts all the time. If you motor for long periods of time this will overcharge the batteries...and could lead to boiling off the electrolyte. I'm looking at changing this system to have an externally 3 stage regulator that will bulk, absorb and then float. I don't think this internal reg is good for deep cycle batteries. I contacted Leece-Neville about this and it is not so simple to change as my alt. is regulated on the negative side so its not just a matter of taking out the internal reg and connecting the brushes to the field excitation from the external reg. There's some serious rewiring involved. I would be interested to hear from anyone who has done this ... Cheers Alan & Judith SM437 Elyse --- In amelyachtowners@..., "rxc" <rxc@...> wrote:
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Re: Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries
Ralph Caruso
Kent,
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It was on a boat that was not an Amel. (I am a Jeanneau owner, but follow this list because you have some interesting topics) The Freedom inverter/charger had a sensing line wired directly to the batteries. I have also seen alternator controllers wired like this. It is done to make sure that the voltage that is being sensed is the actual voltage at the battery terminal, and not at the output of the charger. If there are significant losses in the transmission cable from the charger to the battery, the charger could sense an eroneous voltage. Also, if the sensing line has a bad connection it will see the same condition. Connections should be one of the first thing checked when you have a problem like this. Alternatively, use a voltmeter to check the voltage at the charger output and compare that to the voltage at the battery. When it happened on my boat, my wife was living on board, and the on-board smoke detector kept going off, but there was no sign of smoke or fire in the boat. Turned out that as they overheated, the batteries gave off fumes that set off the smoke detector. If we had waiting longer, the batteries would have gotten so hot they might have started a real fire. It was a close thing. Ralph Caruso --- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel] Headlining how-to
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
I have a spray can of vinyl adhesive on the boat and in the very few areas that sag has occurred (in our case little bits at the edges) I just spray it and push it back up. Works well. Certainly would not use wood slats and screws
Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl About to depart NZ for the Pacific islands From: wintherdeb <wintherdeb@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 9:27 PM Subject: [Amel] Headlining how-to Hello We are owners of a '93 Amel SM and have been trying to find out how to repair the sagging headlining. At first just a small area in the front cabin of our Amel had vinyl loose and hanging (we're using bullclips as a temporary fix to hold the pieces up). Now there are several areas that are sagging in the main cabin, closets and wc. We have inquired about the problem and it sounds like a major project of taking it all out (requiring screws, panels and various other boat parts to be removed) and redoing it all with new headlining. We have also heard of people getting wood slats to screw in to hold the vinyl up. With this option, how do we clean out all the disintegrated foam/dust that is most likely resting in there without loosening the vinyl further. Where are the best places to screw in the wood panel pieces, what type of wood is best and what width? Also, what type of adhesive is best to reglue the vinyl to the fiberglass ceilings/walls? Any how-to advice would be greatly appreciated. If best to have it professionally done, any recommendations for someone who can repair the headlining in or near Croatia? Finally, how can we prevent the sagging from occurring again? Many thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have. Deb & Mike s/v Coriandre |
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Re: [Amel] Re: Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries
Hmmm. That's very interesting, rxc. The only connection to the batteries with any of my chargers is the output line of the charger...Is that what you are referring to?
Thanks, Kent SM 243 Kristy ________________________________ From: rxc <rxc@...> To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:44 AM Subject: [Amel] Re: Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries One very important thing to check is the condition of the voltage sensing line from your batteries back to the charging source, whether it is the alternator or a shore charger. I once had a Freedom charger cook some very nice trojan batteries because the fuse-holder in the sensing line developed a bad connection, and the charger thought that the voltage was lower than it was actually putting out. Very high voltage and boiled batteries. Bad connections can cause this. --- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard Piller <richard03801@...> wrote:
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Amel Super Maramu Mainsail Furling Motor
islandbwoy4434
Libby needs a new Leroy Somer furling motor for the main sail. Has anyone sourced this motor directly from Leroy Somer in the US or any where else? It is an expensive item!
As a side note, rebuilding this motor is not an option. Any guidance on sourcing is greatly appreciated. Terry&Dena SV Libby SM#196 |
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Re: Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries
Ralph Caruso
One very important thing to check is the condition of the voltage sensing line from your batteries back to the charging source, whether it is the alternator or a shore charger. I once had a Freedom charger cook some very nice trojan batteries because the fuse-holder in the sensing line developed a bad connection, and the charger thought that the voltage was lower than it was actually putting out. Very high voltage and boiled batteries. Bad connections can cause this.
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Re: Headliner vinyl
Bob Hodgins <bobh@...>
Gallivant suffered a fire, started by the aft a/c unit. We replaced all
of the vinyl in the main cabin, walk thru and aft cabin. She is now seven years old but mostly brand new. Bob Gallivant -- |
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Headlining how-to
wintherdeb <wintherdeb@...>
Hello
We are owners of a '93 Amel SM and have been trying to find out how to repair the sagging headlining. At first just a small area in the front cabin of our Amel had vinyl loose and hanging (we're using bullclips as a temporary fix to hold the pieces up). Now there are several areas that are sagging in the main cabin, closets and wc. We have inquired about the problem and it sounds like a major project of taking it all out (requiring screws, panels and various other boat parts to be removed) and redoing it all with new headlining. We have also heard of people getting wood slats to screw in to hold the vinyl up. With this option, how do we clean out all the disintegrated foam/dust that is most likely resting in there without loosening the vinyl further. Where are the best places to screw in the wood panel pieces, what type of wood is best and what width? Also, what type of adhesive is best to reglue the vinyl to the fiberglass ceilings/walls? Any how-to advice would be greatly appreciated. If best to have it professionally done, any recommendations for someone who can repair the headlining in or near Croatia? Finally, how can we prevent the sagging from occurring again? Many thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have. Deb & Mike s/v Coriandre |
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Re: Venting fresh water system after complete drain down
seafeverofcuan <seafeverofcuan@...>
Martin,
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I forgot to mention that if you have a Reja pump, you most likely will have to prime it. Take off the hose from the fresh water reservoir and fill it with water, there used to be a bleed bolt on the top of the pump that you need to loosen until the water is free flowing from the reservoir. Good luck. T --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Martin" <yachtcaduceus@...> wrote:
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Re: Amel 55 Review & Video in Yachting Monthly June 2013 edition
jjjk12s <jjjk12s@...>
Colin,
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Thanks for posting the link. Beautiful boat. Towards the end (20.49 minutes the presenter says the sails should be furled for a tack?? John, Maramu #91 --- In amelyachtowners@..., "islandpearl2_sm2k332" <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:
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Re: Venting fresh water system after complete drain down
seafeverofcuan <seafeverofcuan@...>
Martin,
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fill you water tank,open ALL of your fresh water outlets and turn on your water pump that should clear the air. The accumulator pressure should be preset and the same for the regulator. Once you clear the air and close the taps (it seems to work better on the SM from the aft heads forward) it all should work. After running the engine, if it over heats, remove the return flow pipe from the hot water heater where it returns to the engine and clear the airlock. I hope this is of some help. Regards, Trevor Sea Fever SM 425 Mexico --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Martin" <yachtcaduceus@...> wrote:
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Venting fresh water system after complete drain down
Martin <yachtcaduceus@...>
I have searched the postings and not been able to find an answer so sorry if this is a repeat request.
After leaving the boat in Norfolk, Virginia, USA for 6 months we are up to our ears in antifopuling, polishing etc prior to relaunch. I have in the midst of this fitted a replacement accumulator tank to the system. The original had rusted and was leaking air. Note for fellow travellers, the replacement supplied by AMEL comes in Shurflo packaging. Made in Italy, shipped to the USA, back to France and then sent to us in the USA. If anyone is interested I will post the Shurflo model number, just do not have it to hand whilst writing this. Also note that the original (Amel 54 no 56) had a male fitting and the replacement has a female fitting so adapters are required. I have now put the whole thing back together and am not sure how to bleed the air out of the system. We also have an empty hot water tank as the boat had been winterised before I carried this out so there is a lot of air in the syatem. Grateful for any advice please. Martin Bevan Caduceus Amel 54 No 56 Norfolk, Virginia, USA |
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Re: [Amel] Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries
Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
Hi Eric.
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If you speak with any battery expert they will tell you that the battery charger must be no less than 10% of the amp hours of the bank you wish to charge. AMEL. Never intended the 30 amp charger to be anything more then a trickle charger at the dock when the batteries are topped off the start with. If you try to top off discharged batteries with the 30 amp charger what has occurred with a rather large number of Amel owners is the charger overheats cooks its internal regulator and never shuts off the result being cook battery bank. In today's world of smart chargers buy one 120 amp charger and can the 30 . Regards Capt Richard Piller On May 22, 2013, at 16:18, "eric" <kimberlite@...> wrote:
On our trip home from St Martin last week, we discovered that most of the liquid in all the sealed maintenance free batteries had boiled off. I did not realize that under the labels there are plugs where water can be added. In any event all the house (12) batteries |
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