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Re: [Amel] Re: looking for a second hand amel until 46 ft

Joerg Steffen <joerg.steffen@...>
 

Many  thanks for  your good advices !

I promise: I will never build a Santorin or Maramu 46  into on open 40  racer  

:-)


Greetings  Jörg



________________________________
From: Andy <allezaubon@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 10:04 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: looking for a second hand amel until 46 ft



 
Hi Joerg,

I can only second what John has written. We became a Maramu owner last year #75 and the more time we spend on the boat the more we really appreciate the thought and level of detailing went into creating the solutions. Amels are built solidly and made to last.

We are currently upgrading her, with a new Bimini, Solar panels, Charger, Inverter, swim platform,complete reconditioning of the engine ( still the original Perkins), new Autopilot and electronics upgrade are next on the list. so enough to keep busy.

The group was very helpful in point us in the right direction to source replacement parts for the Perkins engine and continues to be a great resource.

The Maramu is an exceptional boat and is in it's element when passage-making.

Naturally the Super Maramu, as the name implies is an improvement of the old basic Maramu, but this also comes at a price.

Wishing you the best of luck with your search. If you take all the normal precautions on purchasing your boat, you will be happy with your choice of an Amel.

Andy

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "jjjk12s" <jjjk12s@...> wrote:

Joerg,

My experience is with an older Maramu. I am very fond of it and like the simlicity for my location where Amels are unusual. I like my boat's standard transmission, fully battened mainsail and sail handling gear (recent Harken). I still admire the Santorin and Super Maramu though. The Sharki is also very nice if you want even cheaper marina fees... Which model you prefer is more a question of your own tastes and requirements.

Try to buy an original as possible Amel .... You say 2-3 years in your private shipyard.... best not to customise it, especially until you are very sure, say after owning the boat for at least a year.

I think generally the ketch Santorin is more popular than the sloop and sells for a bit more but condition would be a more important factor for me.

Compared to another older boat I think there are lot fewer problems. For example, they have a reputation for lack of osmosis, keels and keel bolts are normally no issue. Water leaks are less of a problem than boats with deck mounted chainplates.

The interior woodwork is very good quality mahogany and I think problems with veneer and water damage are unusual. Hull to deck joint is very good. Internal rot caused by water is not a problem but always wise to check areas like the floor of the foredeck lockers and the mast compression areas. The rudders are very strong. I've never heard of any problem with chainplates. The balsa cored deck is properly made - even on my 32 year old boat (visible from the underside of the handrail mounts) the balsa core in the deck is the correct end grain balsa in small blocks so that even if water gets in somewhere it is unlikely to spread.

So to answer your question, I don't think there are "typical problems" to watch out for. The problems are more general ones to older boats: cosmetic issues, crazed perspex, outdated electronics, old engine, possible previous damage from grounding or collision etc. The vinyl you already know about...I don't have the later Amel furling motors, bowthruster or keel transmission but I think spares are easily available and you just need to observe the preventative maintenance.

This site is also of course a great resource for overcoming any obstacles when you own one, escpecially about these Amel specific items. There are some very knowledgable people, some who seem to have been on this site since it started; I hope they don't plan on giving up their sailing soon!

Maybe though you should buy a boat that is not so good so you can get more use of your boatbuilding skills ;)

Good luck
John Maramu #91 Popeye


--- In amelyachtowners@..., Joerg Steffen <joerg.steffen@> wrote:

Hi amelowners


after owning and sailing different boats in the past 30 years i plan do buy a amel as soon as possible.
Because my wife and i don`t plan to cross the pacific a model of 46 ft  will be enough for us.

In the past in build 2 yachts (v.d Stadt 40 and Reinke 43) with my own hands so I have the skills, the place  and the maschines for a major refit.

I look for a boot with a price of 100 - 150 K€, will put it in my private shipyard for 2-3 years and start cruising in the Med  and the atlantik.

Do you know an such an Amel for sale ?

Which type of amel would you recommend ?

Where are typicall problems of old amels (not only the vinyl linning  )

Experiences concerning spare parts, especially for the amel specific parts like "Saildrive", electr. winches etc. ?

Actually I think on a santorin, do you thinks this would be a good choice ?

Many thanks, best regards
Joerg Steffen
Just now onboard  a low quality  2007er  Bavaria 37

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Re: [Amel] Clothes washer issue on SM 391

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Jean

I too would like to get a copy of these manuals. Please could you also send
a copy of both to me as well at colin.d.streeter@....
It would be good to get them uploaded to the site for others to access too.

Regards
Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II - SM2K #332


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Jean Boucharlat
<jean.boucharlat@...>wrote:

**


To : John Abercrombie

I do have, in Pdf format, two owners manuals for your Australe. One is in
English, and fairly simple, the other in French, much more detailed and
with
many more drawings of the innards of the beast. This being said they are
owners manuals and not shop manuals. If one or the other, or both, can be
of
help let me know your email address and I'll be glad to send them.

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of johnabo2003
Sent: jeudi 6 juin 2013 02:29
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Clothes washer issue on SM 391


Our Thomson Australe washer is acting up. It will run thru the agitate
cycle
and half of the rinse cycle, it will then stop and flash between the rinse
and stop lights. I have cleaned out the lint filter and also opened up the
pump cover and shop vac'd out the pump area. I can see no blockages on the
drain side and I think I can hear the pump running on the drain cycle. If I
switch the machine straight to the spin cycle I can hear the pump run but
again the drum will not start on the spin cycle and the spin light and stop
light will both flash.

Does anybody have a copy of the Thompson Australe shop service manual? I am
sure this is a minor problem that could easily be diagnosed with a good
manual.

thx
John Abercrombie SM #391






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Re: looking for a second hand amel until 46 ft

Andy Croney
 

Hi Joerg,

I can only second what John has written. We became a Maramu owner last year #75 and the more time we spend on the boat the more we really appreciate the thought and level of detailing went into creating the solutions. Amels are built solidly and made to last.

We are currently upgrading her, with a new Bimini, Solar panels, Charger, Inverter, swim platform,complete reconditioning of the engine ( still the original Perkins), new Autopilot and electronics upgrade are next on the list. so enough to keep busy.

The group was very helpful in point us in the right direction to source replacement parts for the Perkins engine and continues to be a great resource.

The Maramu is an exceptional boat and is in it's element when passage-making.

Naturally the Super Maramu, as the name implies is an improvement of the old basic Maramu, but this also comes at a price.

Wishing you the best of luck with your search. If you take all the normal precautions on purchasing your boat, you will be happy with your choice of an Amel.

Andy

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "jjjk12s" <jjjk12s@...> wrote:

Joerg,

My experience is with an older Maramu. I am very fond of it and like the simlicity for my location where Amels are unusual. I like my boat's standard transmission, fully battened mainsail and sail handling gear (recent Harken). I still admire the Santorin and Super Maramu though. The Sharki is also very nice if you want even cheaper marina fees... Which model you prefer is more a question of your own tastes and requirements.

Try to buy an original as possible Amel .... You say 2-3 years in your private shipyard.... best not to customise it, especially until you are very sure, say after owning the boat for at least a year.

I think generally the ketch Santorin is more popular than the sloop and sells for a bit more but condition would be a more important factor for me.

Compared to another older boat I think there are lot fewer problems. For example, they have a reputation for lack of osmosis, keels and keel bolts are normally no issue. Water leaks are less of a problem than boats with deck mounted chainplates.

The interior woodwork is very good quality mahogany and I think problems with veneer and water damage are unusual. Hull to deck joint is very good. Internal rot caused by water is not a problem but always wise to check areas like the floor of the foredeck lockers and the mast compression areas. The rudders are very strong. I've never heard of any problem with chainplates. The balsa cored deck is properly made - even on my 32 year old boat (visible from the underside of the handrail mounts) the balsa core in the deck is the correct end grain balsa in small blocks so that even if water gets in somewhere it is unlikely to spread.

So to answer your question, I don't think there are "typical problems" to watch out for. The problems are more general ones to older boats: cosmetic issues, crazed perspex, outdated electronics, old engine, possible previous damage from grounding or collision etc. The vinyl you already know about...I don't have the later Amel furling motors, bowthruster or keel transmission but I think spares are easily available and you just need to observe the preventative maintenance.

This site is also of course a great resource for overcoming any obstacles when you own one, escpecially about these Amel specific items. There are some very knowledgable people, some who seem to have been on this site since it started; I hope they don't plan on giving up their sailing soon!

Maybe though you should buy a boat that is not so good so you can get more use of your boatbuilding skills ;)

Good luck
John Maramu #91 Popeye


--- In amelyachtowners@..., Joerg Steffen <joerg.steffen@> wrote:

Hi amelowners


after owning and sailing different boats in the past 30 years i plan do buy a amel as soon as possible.
Because my wife and i don`t plan to cross the pacific a model of 46 ft  will be enough for us.

In the past in build 2 yachts (v.d Stadt 40 and Reinke 43) with my own hands so I have the skills, the place  and the maschines for a major refit.

I look for a boot with a price of 100 - 150 K€, will put it in my private shipyard for 2-3 years and start cruising in the Med  and the atlantik.

Do you know an such an Amel for sale ?

Which type of amel would you recommend ?

Where are typicall problems of old amels (not only the vinyl linning  )

Experiences concerning spare parts, especially for the amel specific parts like "Saildrive", electr. winches etc. ?

Actually I think on a santorin, do you thinks this would be a good choice ?

Many thanks, best regards
Joerg Steffen
Just now onboard  a low quality  2007er  Bavaria 37

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Re: [Amel] Clothes washer issue on SM 391

Jean Boucharlat
 

To : John Abercrombie



I do have, in Pdf format, two owners manuals for your Australe. One is in
English, and fairly simple, the other in French, much more detailed and with
many more drawings of the innards of the beast. This being said they are
owners manuals and not shop manuals. If one or the other, or both, can be of
help let me know your email address and I'll be glad to send them.



Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of johnabo2003
Sent: jeudi 6 juin 2013 02:29
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Clothes washer issue on SM 391





Our Thomson Australe washer is acting up. It will run thru the agitate cycle
and half of the rinse cycle, it will then stop and flash between the rinse
and stop lights. I have cleaned out the lint filter and also opened up the
pump cover and shop vac'd out the pump area. I can see no blockages on the
drain side and I think I can hear the pump running on the drain cycle. If I
switch the machine straight to the spin cycle I can hear the pump run but
again the drum will not start on the spin cycle and the spin light and stop
light will both flash.

Does anybody have a copy of the Thompson Australe shop service manual? I am
sure this is a minor problem that could easily be diagnosed with a good
manual.

thx
John Abercrombie SM #391


Re: [Amel] Comfort in NYC winter - old Maramu

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi Ross,

Where are you located?

I am in Huntington

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of rossny@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 8:51 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Comfort in NYC winter - old Maramu





Hi All, I am thinking of staying aboard my boat in NY harbor this winter.
The built in diesel heater needs to be rebuilt and the fans replaced but I
think I can bring it back to it's 1989 original system. That said... all my
Maramu has is some foam backed vinyl and carpeting glued to the hull for
insulation, in your experience will that be enough? or will I have to
insulate for the northern winter. Also will the 3" ducting running
throughout have adequate volume of air exchange to avoid the icing that I've
seen on other heated boats during the winter? Will I need backup electric
heaters? Any experience in how cold it needs to be to freeze the bilge and
the toilets? Thanks again, Ross Maramu #251 1989




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Re: New amel owner

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi I would love to meet with you. I an at the Huntington yc with my boat.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@...
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 7:04 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: New amel owner

Murray,
What about the Stede Bonnet regatta in Southport? Are you giving up your
dock space at Provision Company? Just checking, because it seems like an
Amel is needed in this annual adventure.
Craig Scott
A54#101


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**


Dear Amel Web-master. My amel 53 #349 if now owned by a gentleman in NYC
are
and on OysterBay. It left Wilmington, N.C. last week and made a 3 ½ day
passage dock-dock in ideal weather. Please take me off
amelyachtowners@.... Hanks. Murray Seidel, M.D.

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Re: Clothes washer issue on SM 391

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

John,

It is possible that the pump is worn out, or the impeller is slipping on the axle of the pump.

You can check to see if the error is a result of not completely pumping out by removing the wood cabinet and checking the manual drain hose which is taped to the front of the washer. Have a bucket handy and remove the plug on this hose. If it is the pump, I found a "universal 230v washer pump" at www.espares.co.uk: Universal Askoll Washing Machine Magnet Motor Pump (ES1087464) for £9.99 inc VAT. I had it shipped to the US and my total cost was less than $30USD. BTW, espares also has knobs for your Eno stove.

Also, check this out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/911367118/pic/291529708/view?picmode=large&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@..., johnabo2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:

Our Thomson Australe washer is acting up. It will run thru the agitate cycle and half of the rinse cycle, it will then stop and flash between the rinse and stop lights. I have cleaned out the lint filter and also opened up the pump cover and shop vac'd out the pump area. I can see no blockages on the drain side and I think I can hear the pump running on the drain cycle. If I switch the machine straight to the spin cycle I can hear the pump run but again the drum will not start on the spin cycle and the spin light and stop light will both flash.

Does anybody have a copy of the Thompson Australe shop service manual? I am sure this is a minor problem that could easily be diagnosed with a good manual.

thx
John Abercrombie SM #391


Comfort in NYC winter - old Maramu

rossny@mail.com
 

Hi All, I am thinking of staying aboard my boat in NY harbor this winter. The built in diesel heater needs to be rebuilt and the fans replaced but I think I can bring it back to it's 1989 original system. That said... all my Maramu has is some foam backed vinyl and carpeting glued to the hull for insulation, in your experience will that be enough? or will I have to insulate for the northern winter. Also will the 3" ducting running throughout have adequate volume of air exchange to avoid the icing that I've seen on other heated boats during the winter? Will I need backup electric heaters? Any experience in how cold it needs to be to freeze the bilge and the toilets? Thanks again, Ross Maramu #251 1989


Clothes washer issue on SM 391

johnabo2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Our Thomson Australe washer is acting up. It will run thru the agitate cycle and half of the rinse cycle, it will then stop and flash between the rinse and stop lights. I have cleaned out the lint filter and also opened up the pump cover and shop vac'd out the pump area. I can see no blockages on the drain side and I think I can hear the pump running on the drain cycle. If I switch the machine straight to the spin cycle I can hear the pump run but again the drum will not start on the spin cycle and the spin light and stop light will both flash.

Does anybody have a copy of the Thompson Australe shop service manual? I am sure this is a minor problem that could easily be diagnosed with a good manual.

thx
John Abercrombie SM #391


Re: [Amel] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

Craig Scott
 

Murray,
What about the Stede Bonnet regatta in Southport? Are you giving up your
dock space at Provision Company? Just checking, because it seems like an
Amel is needed in this annual adventure.
Craig Scott
A54#101

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:51 PM, murray k. seidel <mseidel@...> wrote:

**


Dear Amel Web-master. My amel 53 #349 if now owned by a gentleman in NYC
are
and on OysterBay. It left Wilmington, N.C. last week and made a 3 day
passage dock-dock in ideal weather. Please take me off
amelyachtowners@.... Hanks. Murray Seidel, M.D.

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Re: [Amel] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

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Dear Amel Web-master. My amel 53 #349 if now owned by a gentleman in NYC are
and on OysterBay. It left Wilmington, N.C. last week and made a 3 ½ day
passage dock-dock in ideal weather. Please take me off
amelyachtowners@.... Hanks. Murray Seidel, M.D.



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Re: [Amel] looking for a second hand amel until 46 ft

Joerg Steffen <joerg.steffen@...>
 

Hallo Luis

this boat  is to big for my money, you know the prices in marinas



________________________________
From: Luis I. Gonzalez de Vallejo <l_gonzalezvallejo@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] looking for a second hand amel until 46 ft



 
 Dear Joerg,
My broker Mr Holler has include some information in the page
 http://www.hollerboats.com/d1/details.asp?lan=gb&ID=408
If you are interested on it I can deal with you personally or through my broker.
I own her since 1994 and she is in a truly very good condition having received a new engine, generator, electronics, electrics, pumps, and a full refit in June 2013.  The boat is full equipped  and used by may own regularly on summer vacations with my family. 
Regards,
Luis

________________________________
Prof. Dr.Luis I. González de Vallejo
 
Universidad Complutense de Madrid
http://www.gonzalezdevallejo.com/


________________________________
De: Joerg Steffen <joerg.steffen@...>
Para: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Enviado: Miércoles 5 de junio de 2013 0:33
Asunto: Re: [Amel] looking for a second hand amel until 46 ft

 

Please send more information regards joerg steffen ________________________________ From: Luis I. Gonzalez de Vallejo <mailto:l_gonzalezvallejo%40yahoo.es> To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] looking for a second hand amel until 46 ft   I am the owner of an Amel Mango built in1980 .I bought her in 1994 since them the boat has been maintained by professional staff, and today is in perfect condition to sail anywhere. Just 1 month ago the boat has been in the shipyard carrying out a refit. We are planning to sail it in the coming months by the Baleares islands in the wst Med. After that I am will be retired and that is the reason for selling it. The price could be in the range of 120.000€. The boat is moored at Alicante , East of Spain. Let me know if you are interested to provide you full information. Regards, Luis Amel Mango Aloysius.
  ________________________________ Luis I. González de Vallejo ________________________________ De: Joerg Steffen <mailto:joerg.steffen%40yahoo.com> Para: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Enviado: Martes 4 de junio de 2013 22:44 Asunto: [Amel] looking for a second hand amel until 46 ft   Hi amelowners after owning and sailing different boats in the past 30 years i plan do buy a amel as soon as possible. Because my wife and i don`t plan to cross the pacific a model of 46 ft  will be enough for us. In the past in build 2 yachts (v.d Stadt 40 and Reinke 43) with my own hands so I have the skills, the place  and the maschines for a major refit. I look for a boot with a price of 100 - 150 K€, will put it in my private shipyard for 2-3 years and start cruising in the Med  and the atlantik. Do you know an such an Amel for sale ? Which type of amel would you recommend ? Where are typicall
problems of old amels (not only the vinyl linning  ) Experiences concerning spare parts, especially for the amel specific parts like "Saildrive", electr. winches etc. ? Actually I think on a santorin, do you thinks this would be a good choice ? Many thanks, best regards Joerg Steffen Just now onboard  a low quality  2007er  Bavaria 37 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







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Missing Bimini - need picture

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Dear Amel owner,
I also have the canvas of the bimini missing (the person that was supposed to repair a tear forgot it in Martinique and doesn't reply my email).
So in short, I am looking for the picture of the Bimini canvas that is not attached to the dodger, but the one that has a space, where you can see above the dodger... I hope I am clear enough...
Thanks in advance for the pictures, sincerely, Alexandre 713-412-6704
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook - Texas - USA


Missing Teak bow seat - need picture to have one made.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

What I call the Teak Bow Seat is missing on my SM2K, I am looking to have one made, if you could please send me pictures, would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
If someone had one for sale, let me know as well!
Sincerely, Alexandre
713-412-6704
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Seabrook - Texas - USA


Re: [Amel] looking for a second hand amel until 46 ft

Luis I. Gonzalez de Vallejo <l_gonzalezvallejo@...>
 

Dear Joerg,
My broker Mr Holler has include some information in the page
 http://www.hollerboats.com/d1/details.asp?lan=gb&ID=408
If you are interested on it I can deal with you personally or through my broker.
I own her since 1994 and she is in a truly very good condition having received a new engine, generator, electronics, electrics, pumps, and a full refit in June 2013.  The boat is full equipped  and used by may own regularly on summer vacations with my family. 
Regards,
Luis


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Prof. Dr.Luis I. González de Vallejo
 
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De: Joerg Steffen <joerg.steffen@...>
Para: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Enviado: Miércoles 5 de junio de 2013 0:33
Asunto: Re: [Amel] looking for a second hand amel until 46 ft

 

Please send more information regards joerg steffen ________________________________ From: Luis I. Gonzalez de Vallejo <mailto:l_gonzalezvallejo%40yahoo.es> To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Amel] looking for a second hand amel until 46 ft   I am the owner of an Amel Mango built in1980 .I bought her in 1994 since them the boat has been maintained by professional staff, and today is in perfect condition to sail anywhere. Just 1 month ago the boat has been in the shipyard carrying out a refit. We are planning to sail it in the coming months by the Baleares islands in the wst Med. After that I am will be retired and that is the reason for selling it. The price could be in the range of 120.000€. The boat is moored at Alicante , East of Spain. Let me know if you are interested to provide you full information. Regards, Luis Amel Mango Aloysius.
  ________________________________ Luis I. González de Vallejo ________________________________ De: Joerg Steffen <mailto:joerg.steffen%40yahoo.com> Para: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> Enviado: Martes 4 de junio de 2013 22:44 Asunto: [Amel] looking for a second hand amel until 46 ft   Hi amelowners after owning and sailing different boats in the past 30 years i plan do buy a amel as soon as possible. Because my wife and i don`t plan to cross the pacific a model of 46 ft  will be enough for us. In the past in build 2 yachts (v.d Stadt 40 and Reinke 43) with my own hands so I have the skills, the place  and the maschines for a major refit. I look for a boot with a price of 100 - 150 K€, will put it in my private shipyard for 2-3 years and start cruising in the Med  and the atlantik. Do you know an such an Amel for sale ? Which type of amel would you recommend ? Where are typicall
problems of old amels (not only the vinyl linning  ) Experiences concerning spare parts, especially for the amel specific parts like "Saildrive", electr. winches etc. ? Actually I think on a santorin, do you thinks this would be a good choice ? Many thanks, best regards Joerg Steffen Just now onboard  a low quality  2007er  Bavaria 37 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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Re: 175 amp alternator on SM-burned up battery bank.

seafeverofcuan <seafeverofcuan@...>
 

Hi Eric,
I was hoping that you would post your findings re. you alternator. We are now at the bottom of The Sea of Cortez and hope to get some good technical help in Mazatlan next week. For now we are running on four remaining house batteries. The alternator has been putting out between 28.1 volts to 28.6 volts the remaining batteries have not overheated.
I have the original Dolphin instruction paperwork from 2004. The 30amp charger should boost at 27.7 volts and float at 26.5, the 100amp boost 28.8 and float at 27.2.
However both pieces of paper ( and that is literally what came with the boat) state

"The charger system will revert to boost when the battery system requirements equal 50% of the charger rated output"

My reading of this is that in our case with twelve house batteries giving 630 amps at 24 volts then the 30 amp reverts to boost when the batteries drop below 97% of total capacity.

My 30amp charger now only produces 27.3 volts, I have asked Reya for advice and haven't had a reply as yet.
I suspect the answer lies in a total replacement of both chargers with a smart charger and of course a new set of batteries. From everything that I have been reading, common sense would indicate AGM and completely disconnect them when leaving the boat for long periods.
The entire subject is a black art and I suspect in my case choices will be heavily influenced by what is available in Mexico.
Best regards,
Trevor
Sea Fever

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I had my alternator checked at a very excellent alternator shop and the
owner showed me what happens as it runs. There is no internal regulation.
However he said as the battery becomes more charged the resistance of the
bank increases and the alternator puts out less and less amps . It has a
constant output of about 28.5 volts. He said the Balmar smart regulator is a
waste of money -and he sells them.





I had no problems with this alternator with my first set of batteries for 4
years. I only changed the batteries after a lightning strike.



My current burned out battery bank must have been caused by the charger. I
will test it when I get my new batteries next week.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite




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Re: 175 amp alternator on SM-burned up battery bank.

ronpische <andrew@...>
 

I am very interested in this as I fitted one to my last boat - it involved some modifications to the alternator and I had to be more vigilant about keeping the belt very tight, but it ran without fault for the 8 years that we had our last boat. I installed a regulator from sterling power see http://www.sterling-power.com/images/downloads/proreg.pdf . Although the instructions that come with it would not win any design prizes, they were very informative about the setup and also how to modify the alternator also they work for both N-type and P-Type alternator regulators.
I was surprised in some ways that a similar regulator is not fitted to the Amel SM - but had also wondered if there was a good reason why not? Anyway I think I plan to install one sometime soon.

Andrew
Ronpische SM 472

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k" <divanz620@...> wrote:

Eric,
There is an internal regulator..there has to be othere wise you wouldn't get a constant voltage.
This is how internally regulated alternators work...they run at (in our case) 28 odd volts all the time...the current falls off as the batts get charged....problem with that is that over a long running time (like we motored 54 hours from Noumea to Port Vila last week) it stays at 28 odd volts and this will lead to the batteries gassing..i.e. boiling off electrolyte...too much of this will eventually kill VRLA batteries (like AGM or sealed calcium etc).

What we need is to modify the alternator to remove the internal regulator...which is not so easy on these Leece Neville / Prestolite alternators as they are N-type, (which means the reg is on the negative side) and wire an external 3 stage reg. External regs are nearly ALL P-Type.
I'm having some discussion now with a tech from Leece Neville about how to do this.

There's nothing wrong with the Balmar external regs...but my choice would be Next Step from AmplePower...they make a number of different types, but the scenario for most (including Balmar) is :

1. Reg off when engine starts so no load on the alternator.
2. After 30 secs, reg gently loads up the alternator until its at either full output, or the max the battery bank will accept.
3. This "full" output current continues until the voltage reaches the absorption voltage (preset) say 28.8 Volts for a 24v bank.
4. the reg slowly backs off the field drive to the alternator to maintain the voltage at the absorption level
5. After a preset time or when current has reached a preset percentage (say 5-10%) of the banks Ah capacity, the reg switches to float...approx. 26.6 V

This ensures that the house batteries are properly charged and prevents gassing.

This is the way the Doplhin chargers work also...so, much better to charge the batts with the genset than the engine in it's standard configuration.

When I get all this figured out with this peculiar N-reg Leece Neville alternator, I'll post the details so everyone can do it.

I don't like the idea of the batteries sitting at 28.8V for days...it's not good for them !

Cheers
Alan
SV ELYSE SM437

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailorman <kimberlite@> wrote:

I had my alternator checked at a very excellent alternator shop and the
owner showed me what happens as it runs. There is no internal regulation.
However he said as the battery becomes more charged the resistance of the
bank increases and the alternator puts out less and less amps . It has a
constant output of about 28.5 volts. He said the Balmar smart regulator is a
waste of money -and he sells them.





I had no problems with this alternator with my first set of batteries for 4
years. I only changed the batteries after a lightning strike.



My current burned out battery bank must have been caused by the charger. I
will test it when I get my new batteries next week.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite




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[Amel] Re: Eberspacher heater

Andy Croney
 

Hallo Joachim,

Ich haette auch gerne die Anleitung wenn moeglich.


Besten Dank Im Voraus

LG

Andy

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Joachim Schäfer <shivajogi@...> wrote:

Hallo Dieter

hier die Anleitung !!!

wo läßt du den Motor überholen ? Meiner hat 5100 h und läuft prima ohne Ölverlust am Kurbelwellenausgang könnte aber ach kommen

LG
Joachim




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Von: INUS - BUSCH <inusbusch@...>
An: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Gesendet: 12:34 Dienstag, 4.Juni 2013
Betreff: Re: [Amel] Re: Eberspacher heater



 
Hallo Joachim,

an dem trouble shooting manual bin ich auch interessiert. und Danke für deine Telnr, hab sie mir
notiert. Im Moment brauche ich keine Motortipps, weil der Perkins seit gestern draußen ist.
Mfg
Dieter

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An: amelyachtowners@...
Gesendet: 12:07 Dienstag, 4.Juni 2013
Betreff: [Amel] Re: Eberspacher heater


 
Hy Shea
if have an original fron Ebersbächer trouble shooting manual in german
if you give me your E-Mail Adress i can scan it and send it to you.
it has help me to repair my by my self and now it works fantastik

regads
Joachim

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Gregory Shea" <gmshea@> wrote:

My Sharki has a non-working Eberspacher heater. I am in the west of Provence and have heard various stories including taking it out of the boat and sending it to Germany. Does anyone have any experience in getting that sort of thing done in the western Med. I have the phone number of the agent in Paris but before I took that route, I was wondering if anyone had encountered this problem in this part of the world? The previous owner said it was the fuel pump and it seems to me that if I could get my hands on one I could switch it out, if I could return it if that was not the problem


Greg Shea
Cap des Isles Sharki 133.







Re: looking for a second hand amel until 46 ft

jjjk12s <jjjk12s@...>
 

Joerg,

My experience is with an older Maramu. I am very fond of it and like the simlicity for my location where Amels are unusual. I like my boat's standard transmission, fully battened mainsail and sail handling gear (recent Harken). I still admire the Santorin and Super Maramu though. The Sharki is also very nice if you want even cheaper marina fees... Which model you prefer is more a question of your own tastes and requirements.

Try to buy an original as possible Amel .... You say 2-3 years in your private shipyard.... best not to customise it, especially until you are very sure, say after owning the boat for at least a year.

I think generally the ketch Santorin is more popular than the sloop and sells for a bit more but condition would be a more important factor for me.

Compared to another older boat I think there are lot fewer problems. For example, they have a reputation for lack of osmosis, keels and keel bolts are normally no issue. Water leaks are less of a problem than boats with deck mounted chainplates.

The interior woodwork is very good quality mahogany and I think problems with veneer and water damage are unusual. Hull to deck joint is very good. Internal rot caused by water is not a problem but always wise to check areas like the floor of the foredeck lockers and the mast compression areas. The rudders are very strong. I've never heard of any problem with chainplates. The balsa cored deck is properly made - even on my 32 year old boat (visible from the underside of the handrail mounts) the balsa core in the deck is the correct end grain balsa in small blocks so that even if water gets in somewhere it is unlikely to spread.

So to answer your question, I don't think there are "typical problems" to watch out for. The problems are more general ones to older boats: cosmetic issues, crazed perspex, outdated electronics, old engine, possible previous damage from grounding or collision etc. The vinyl you already know about...I don't have the later Amel furling motors, bowthruster or keel transmission but I think spares are easily available and you just need to observe the preventative maintenance.

This site is also of course a great resource for overcoming any obstacles when you own one, escpecially about these Amel specific items. There are some very knowledgable people, some who seem to have been on this site since it started; I hope they don't plan on giving up their sailing soon!

Maybe though you should buy a boat that is not so good so you can get more use of your boatbuilding skills ;)

Good luck
John Maramu #91 Popeye

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Joerg Steffen <joerg.steffen@...> wrote:

Hi amelowners


after owning and sailing different boats in the past 30 years i plan do buy a amel as soon as possible.
Because my wife and i don`t plan to cross the pacific a model of 46 ft  will be enough for us.

In the past in build 2 yachts (v.d Stadt 40 and Reinke 43) with my own hands so I have the skills, the place  and the maschines for a major refit.

I look for a boot with a price of 100 - 150 K€, will put it in my private shipyard for 2-3 years and start cruising in the Med  and the atlantik.

Do you know an such an Amel for sale ?

Which type of amel would you recommend ?

Where are typicall problems of old amels (not only the vinyl linning  )

Experiences concerning spare parts, especially for the amel specific parts like "Saildrive", electr. winches etc. ?

Actually I think on a santorin, do you thinks this would be a good choice ?

Many thanks, best regards
Joerg Steffen
Just now onboard  a low quality  2007er  Bavaria 37

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